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Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.22 15:26:23 -
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Spc One wrote:New amarr battleship ? what role is it for ? Its role is to be a MacGuffin for Drifter/Empire lore. Also to be the start of an Epileptic Tree forest.
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Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.23 04:24:37 -
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No, the game would not be world of BS if BS were made viable again. Three reasons. Cost, skill points, and mobility. Battleships should be slow, expensive and require loads of sp. But they should also do well what they are meant to do well. Stand and fight. As of now, they are slow, expensive, high reqs, and cant fight worth a damn. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2015.07.23 08:30:08 -
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Amanda Guido wrote:No, the game would not be world of BS if BS were made viable again. Three reasons. Cost, skill points, and mobility. Battleships should be slow, expensive and require loads of sp. But they should also do well what they are meant to do well. Stand and fight. As of now, they are slow, expensive, high reqs, and cant fight worth a damn. Based on the last 10+ years if battleships were competitive then yeah it would be Battleships Online again. That's what happened in the past with all best of season ships including battleships.
As stated above as long as you can produce any ship in unlimited supply it will always be trained into and exploited until it's fixed, would you drive a average commuter car if for the same build cost you could get a luxery Range Rover. Skill points are not a barrier, neither is cost (especially for alliances, they could replace battleships forever they're so cheap). Additionally Battleships can't be fixed without making them mobile since warp, subwarp and agility are a major reason they're broken.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
11432
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Posted - 2015.07.23 09:49:38 -
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******* "broken battleships" [insert tears]
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2052
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Posted - 2015.07.23 10:53:22 -
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Webvan wrote: [insert tears] *Inserts sharp frozen tears in the form of icicles into your skin* We are aware of the solo exceptions.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Kestral Anneto
The Founding Four Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.07.23 10:59:37 -
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this kind of thing are the exception, not the rule.
This picture is getting spread until Fozzie come down and rolls back the FozzieSov
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.23 13:50:41 -
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Kestral Anneto wrote:this kind of thing are the exception, not the rule.
Thats because most people think that is the exception not the rule.
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Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross Eternal Pretorian Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.23 19:23:08 -
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Ellendras Silver wrote: T3s are fine OMG plz clarify how you imagine that a cruiser with BS tanks and BC DPS is fine and on top of that they have huge fitting options and are versatile and have huge cap too they are clearly OP if you REALY think they are fine you are high.
Because a cheaply fit T3 costs more than the battleship and the battlecruiser combined, and requires way more training and support skills. Who is high here exactly? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1528
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Posted - 2015.07.23 19:45:47 -
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Murkar Omaristos wrote:Ellendras Silver wrote: T3s are fine OMG plz clarify how you imagine that a cruiser with BS tanks and BC DPS is fine and on top of that they have huge fitting options and are versatile and have huge cap too they are clearly OP if you REALY think they are fine you are high.
Because a cheaply fit T3 costs more than the battleship and the battlecruiser combined, and requires way more training and support skills. Who is high here exactly? The difference between BS 5 and cruiser 5 covers the SP of 3 sub skills at 5, the difference between large turret 5 and medium turret 5 account for the remaining 2 sub skills at 5. Beyond that any skill needed to inject a sub skill or make use of the ship in general applies it's benefits just as well if not moreso to a BS as much as a T3. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16431
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Posted - 2015.07.23 20:08:52 -
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Murkar Omaristos wrote:Ellendras Silver wrote: T3s are fine OMG plz clarify how you imagine that a cruiser with BS tanks and BC DPS is fine and on top of that they have huge fitting options and are versatile and have huge cap too they are clearly OP if you REALY think they are fine you are high.
Because a cheaply fit T3 costs more than the battleship and the battlecruiser combined, and requires way more training and support skills. Who is high here exactly?
SP and isk mean nothing to people like me. Incidentally, tengu SP is on par with battleship as is its cost. Yes they are horribly overpowered.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.24 06:16:19 -
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baltec1 wrote:Murkar Omaristos wrote:Ellendras Silver wrote: T3s are fine OMG plz clarify how you imagine that a cruiser with BS tanks and BC DPS is fine and on top of that they have huge fitting options and are versatile and have huge cap too they are clearly OP if you REALY think they are fine you are high.
Because a cheaply fit T3 costs more than the battleship and the battlecruiser combined, and requires way more training and support skills. Who is high here exactly? SP and isk mean nothing to people like me. Incidentally, tengu SP is on par with battleship as is its cost. Yes they are horribly overpowered.
Meh, CCP has got their hands full trying to rebalance the Ishtar (go, go Ishtar), so I doubt your dreams of a T3C nerf will happen anytime soon baltec1.
They need some adjustments yes, but not a crippling nerf as you desire.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16432
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Posted - 2015.07.24 08:56:27 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:
They need some adjustments yes, but not a crippling nerf as you desire.
Nerfing them down to cruiser stats would not cripple them, they would still be adaptable and powerful cruisers.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2071
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Posted - 2015.07.24 13:16:18 -
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T3Cs with T2 power and more utility would be a better implementation, I feel.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2015.07.24 14:04:21 -
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baltec1 wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:
They need some adjustments yes, but not a crippling nerf as you desire.
Nerfing them down to cruiser stats would not cripple them, they would still be adaptable and powerful cruisers. T3D type on the fly adaptations would make sense.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2073
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Posted - 2015.07.24 14:16:01 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:... T3D type on the fly adaptations would make sense. Instant warp cruisers wouldn't be broken!
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Wacktopia
Noir. No Not Believing
803
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Posted - 2015.07.24 15:12:31 -
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baltec1 wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote: Nerfing T3 will not accomplish a revitalisation of battleships, it'll just make T3 cruisers a wasted skill investment. What would make battleships a reasonable choice in combat is some sort of scale-based damage modifier system for larger ships, such that smaller weapon systems simply don't do quite as much damage regardless of resistances.
You mean like my blaster mega that will overpower a thorax in DPS? Sorry but T3 are way overpowered and always have been. They should not have the firepower and maneuvering of a t2 cruiser with the tank of a battleship coupled with a low sig and be cap stable while doing it. They need to be dragged down to the level of cruisers with t2 cruisers being better than t3s in their specialized roles.
True... I got back into an old Proteus fit the other day, looked at half-a-million EHP and though "yeah, this ain't right".
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2306
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Posted - 2015.07.24 16:29:32 -
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Webvan wrote:EVE doesn't need new ships. It needs things to do with ships. Another OP blap-blap machine is not forward thinking.
Nonsense. Every developer for every game ever can't be wrong =p |
Chock Nurris
Cloakers
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Posted - 2015.07.24 16:57:08 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:... T3D type on the fly adaptations would make sense. Instant warp cruisers wouldn't be broken! No more broken than covert ops fly through bubbles sporting 100k+ EHP 700dps cruisers. Actually they'd be a lot less broken. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.25 06:07:02 -
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Wacktopia wrote:baltec1 wrote:[quote=Andreus Ixiris]
Sorry but T3 are way overpowered and always have been. They should not have the firepower and maneuvering of a t2 cruiser with the tank of a battleship coupled with a low sig and be cap stable while doing it. They need to be dragged down to the level of cruisers with t2 cruisers being better than t3s in their specialized roles. True... I got back into an old Proteus fit the other day, looked at half-a-million EHP and though "yeah, this ain't right".
Quit exaggerating. The highest EHP you can get with a Proteus with HG Slave set + links is 275k. Now if you're talking about bait fits, then yes a Proteus with triple 1600 steel plate II buffer with HG Slave Set + Links can reach around 500k EHP. But why the hell would anyone want to fit a Proteus this way?? |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.25 06:17:41 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:T3Cs with T2 power and more utility would be a better implementation, I feel.
I can agree with this as long as CCP get rid of the SP loss on death.
With the current SP loss on death and the 450-500 mill price tag, I feel that T3Cs are actually a little underpowered compared to the HACs. Then again I don't use the buffer subs or logi, so that could be the reason for my thinking.
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Justin Cody
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
303
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Posted - 2015.07.30 08:15:12 -
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I just want a carrier escort battleship. Fighters in HS pl0x |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2635
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Posted - 2015.07.30 09:16:36 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Not that I want to destroy the thread or anything, but the Amarr Empire announcing that they're going to build a new flagship based on a pre-existing hull doesn't mean that we're going to introduce a whole new line of battleships to the game. Just heading that off at the pass, before people get too excited. Maybe they're something MUCH MORE AWESOME then battleships . Winter is coming.....
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
58719
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Posted - 2015.07.30 09:24:57 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Not that I want to destroy the thread or anything, but the Amarr Empire announcing that they're going to build a new flagship based on a pre-existing hull doesn't mean that we're going to introduce a whole new line of battleships to the game. Just heading that off at the pass, before people get too excited. Maybe they're something MUCH MORE AWESOME then battleships . Winter is coming.....
New Amarrian flagship will have a Stellar Converter...you know you want it...it's what New Eden needs and deserves!
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon That Escalated Quickly.
1619
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Posted - 2015.07.30 10:00:53 -
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baltec1 wrote:Battleships don't need a buff T3 need a hefty nerf.
Oh is this the official Imperial point of view now?
T3 should be more expensive in production again. This would mitigate the fact that they are superior to other vessels flown by the 0815 line member (not pointing at anyone here).
T3s are derived from superior Alien tech so they should be better...but as I said also significantly more expensive.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
973
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Posted - 2015.07.30 13:16:57 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Oh is this the official Imperial point of view now?
T3 should be more expensive in production again. This would mitigate the fact that they are superior to other vessels flown by the 0815 line member (not pointing at anyone here).
T3s are derived from superior Alien tech so they should be better...but as I said also significantly more expensive. Because it worked so well for them initially. And for supers and titans, for that matter. And because fluff handwaves are important...
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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