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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.07.23 13:11:02 -
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This is just a lot of hand wringing over a hypothetical problem that a new player is extremely unlikely to have.
So let's focus on the point raised, it's not that T2 is expensive, or that no one flies T1 anymore, it's that this hypothetical person is in a specific group that demands he flies T2s or he be kicked.
But, any group that demands you bring a T2 and T3 and does not have any sort of SRP (hence, leaving you only the option to grind back the ship) will also demand in their recruitment process that you be self sufficient and have some proof or explanation of how. If you are too new to replace ships, or just don't want to, you wouldn't be recruited in the first place.
Maybe there's a scrub group out there that has zero recruiting standards or explanation of what they are about, and then once the unaware newbie gets in, he finds they whip people into doctrines they can't afford, in which case he was really unlucky and probably just needs to get out of there ASAP. (Who exactly are they anyway, name and shame...) |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2055
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Posted - 2015.07.23 13:39:19 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:... it's that this hypothetical person is in a specific group that demands he flies T2s or he be kicked. It is beyond that. One example: Previously, a High Sec corp that has relatively new members and had a war declared on them could get into battlecruisers and give a good fight back. The effectiveness of that possibility is severly reduced currently.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Keno Skir
755
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Posted - 2015.07.23 15:07:15 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Like stated before - if flying logistic ship was fun thing to do all people in fleet would fly only them.
You've said that twice and were not entirely correct both times imho. I think logistics is rare more because it's a different set of skills to those the average new combat pilot already has SP invested in. Also pretty much every new player wants killmails and just to feel like a big man (short man syndrome kinda). You're not going to get final blow on a killmail in a Logi, so new players aren't so interested.
I'm sure fun comes into it, but your point is a little narrow to cover the array of reasons that contribute to a demographic decision.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2858
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Posted - 2015.07.23 16:51:35 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:... it's that this hypothetical person is in a specific group that demands he flies T2s or he be kicked. It is beyond that. One example: Previously, a High Sec corp that has relatively new members and had a war declared on them could get into battlecruisers and give a good fight back. The effectiveness of that possibility is severly reduced currently.
That's an example that's super dependent on the specific parties involved. The effectiveness of that has always been highly dependent on the competence of both the leadership and membership of the defender and of the aggressor. My first experience of highsec pvp was as the a defender in that exact situation flying a brutix and being successful.
I'm legitimately curious as to why you think this was the case previously but not now. I kind of agree, but I doubt for the same reasons. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2057
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Posted - 2015.07.23 17:01:59 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:... I'm legitimately curious as to why ... Power creep!
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2858
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Posted - 2015.07.23 17:38:41 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:... I'm legitimately curious as to why ... Power creep! I disagree I think it's because of reverse power creep. |
davet517
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
111
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Posted - 2015.07.23 18:12:20 -
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Webvan wrote:[quote=davet517] Even in the heyday of EQ1 we couldn't get a few hundred people in a zone w/o crashing it. Heck it'd crash the zone with 100 people in it and there were always zones going down. A modern game, say GW2, doesn't work any differently, it's just scripted combat with a few costly AOE's, same thing. Hit the population limit and the zone fragments into another instance. That's progress?
Trying to imagine TIDI on an EQ1 raid. My brain just refuses to go there.
I wasn't talking about the technology, I was talking about the in-game situation that a new player finds when joining. It's not something that's going to be fixed by trying to return us to the golden age of Draeks Online. If you're a new player, you just just have to try to dodge far more powerful old players and find people whose butt you can kick while avoiding getting squashed like a bug.
Old game. Just the way it is. If CCP tries to fix it, there's a better than average chance they'll just F it up further. The old timers consistently stay one step ahead of whatever they try to do. |
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.07.24 02:27:30 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote: I only pointed out that CCP shifted ships "worth to fly" from battle cruisers and battleships to T2 cruisers and faction battleships.
Some people pointed that i am poor , well i am. I am typical nullsec poor guy that after years of living in nullsec have 4-6bil/month flowing into the wallet ( and i know that is not much , but it is enough to me)
This is the real reason you are complaining.
You are not complaining because T1 cruiser is weak vs T2. You are complaining about shift of the current Meta in nullsec.
Adapt. Move out of nullsec.
In lowsec, you do not need wtfomg OP T2 ship (read: basically just Ishtar) to have fun (read: allowed by FC to join fleet). You can roam solo or small gang to create your own content in T1 frigs and cruisers. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2302
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Posted - 2015.07.24 02:45:20 -
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4-6 BILLION a month is poor? Spare a billion a month for a pennyless pilot then please? You get SRP and 4-6 Billion per month. And you consider that poor? wtf! |
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