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Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2011.12.08 00:39:00 -
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Can the CSM request that CCP update the players on the future of Incarna?
There is degree of uncertainty about IncarnaGÇÖs future given conflicting statements by CCP. There is a lot of speculation and belittling of players that express an interest in Incarna, which is not helpful.
Hilmar said in his letter to the players that Incarna was an essential part of the future of EVE, then in a later interview said that GÇ£Incarna was on ice, and that we may get back to itGÇ¥.
This has created confusion.
It is also important to recognise that Incarna in its current state DOES NOT represent the actual vision for this feature. (for reference look at previous fanfest videos)
This is not a request that CCP drop everything that they are doing to focus on Incarna. What it is, is a request that CCP provide clarity on the future of Incarna, recognising that it represents only one playstyle among the many possible in EVE, and worthy of further development just as those other playstyles are GÇô and certainly should not be abandoned.
So my specific request to the CSM, is that they ask CCP to clarify what is going to happen with Incarna. Is it not going to be looked at for 12 months. Will the multiplayer establishments arrive during this period.
Thanks
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Grozdan Boyadijev
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.08 01:48:00 -
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I see no problem with this. Like it or not, Incarna is part of EVE now, and there is a reasonable contingent that wants to see it iterated on. I hope that, with the focus on development shifted back to EVE, CCP will be able to continue to appeal to the FiS people while continuing to improve on the Incarna experience for those players that are interested in it. As long as the future developments to Incarna are in line with the general ethos of EVE, I'm all for seeing something interesting come out of it. It'd be good to get an idea of whether or not WiS is completely on halt, or simply working with a reduced staff. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2011.12.08 11:31:00 -
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I would also like CCP to clarify the status and future plans for WIS. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.08 14:53:00 -
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There's a future for Incarna? |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.12.08 15:36:00 -
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Plain and simple guys -- CCP ****** up with the way they rolled out Incarna, in allowing the FiS stuff to stagnate for about two years (hence the :18 months: meme from a number of the vets).
They nearly completely halted iterating on Incarna and WoD for the moment, because they realised that they were in a very tenuous place with EVE (and thus, with all their other plans) so did a VERY quick turnaround and gave us Crucible.
Crucible is seriously their "plan B" release, done in a few weeks to make people happy again. Hell, look at the trailer even -- it's reminiscent of Eve Never Fades (and some of the other "great" trailers of old) -- they even went so far as to use fraps captures of the game rather than the pre-rendered "cinematic trailers" that they've been doing since Dominion.
Likely what we'll see happen is a focus on FiS, and a lot of the things that have been broken for a LONG time for the next 2-3 patch cycles, with MAYBE some WiS stuff thrown in as well. What'll likely happen is 18 months of neglect for WiS beyond "simple" things, and then afterwards a balanced WiS/FiS approach thereafter... |
Thredd Necro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.08 16:27:00 -
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Have no fear. I am sure that CCP is working very hard with the CSM to improve 0.0. Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
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Posted - 2011.12.08 20:17:00 -
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Incarna was an expansion. It came...that's that. What the question should be is...
What is the future of WiS? Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:54:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Incarna was an expansion. It came...that's that. What the question should be is...
What is the future of WiS?
However you want to articulate the question is fine. The point is that we want clarification. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:18:00 -
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Thredd Necro wrote:Have no fear. I am sure that CCP is working very hard with the CSM to improve 0.0.
Be reassured that Chairman For Life Mittens will soon be working with CCP to bring changes to highsec as well. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:21:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Incarna was an expansion. It came...that's that. What the question should be is...
What is the future of WiS? However you want to articulate the question is fine. The point is that we want clarification.
come back in 18 months. Thank you, have a nice day. |
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Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:24:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:[quote=Flamespar] come back in 18 months. Thank you, have a nice day.
I'm going to go ahead and assume that since you have nothing better to do than come here with your dumb remark, that you have run out of things to do in EVE, therefore some sort of expansion, perhaps involving walking in stations might help alleviate your boredom.
Your welcome I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2011.12.13 12:20:00 -
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Bump... Awaiting CSM comment |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:45:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Velicitia wrote:[quote=Flamespar] come back in 18 months. Thank you, have a nice day. I'm going to go ahead and assume that since you have nothing better to do than come here with your dumb remark, that you have run out of things to do in EVE, therefore some sort of expansion, perhaps involving walking in stations might help alleviate your boredom. Your welcome
OK, I get it, you want to see more about WiS. You want to sit and spend 2 hours per day doing things that has no meaning (within the confines of the game world). That's cool with me, but before you go flipping out that they don't care about you anymore because they went back to their core game (FiS) ... you've got to look at the bigger picture.
You're 3 years old. Assuming you've played that whole time, you've sat through the "18 months" and "excellence" things from CCP, and have accepted the lacklustre expansions over that time with the rest of us. Incarna was a REALLY BAD expansion overall -- CCP nearly killed the relationship with their core demographic. They've said nearly as much in the recent devblogs, and the Crucible trailer itself. Crucible is fixing a lot of the issues -- PCU the last two weekends has been at 50k or better for the first time since Incarna.
No, Crucible has not fixed all the problems in EVE, nor will the next expansion ... but if CCP keeps with their "back to basics" stance, the game as a whole will get significantly better with time. Seriously -- Crucible was a great expansion that was practically thrown together in a few weeks. Look at what they were able to achieve, and apply that to what they can pull off for the next expansion.
Sure, WiS will get the "and oh yeah, we were able to throw this in too" treatment for a while, but better that than "sorry guys, we can't keep TQ online. It was a great run, maybe we'll see you in Perpetuum or something." |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:27:00 -
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^ No one is suggesting that CCP shouldn't work on the FIS stuff, we just want to know if WIS will be expanded on in the near future as the concept for it is what made a lot of newer ppl sign up to this game.
Ps. this is not a discussion, it's a request for CSM to get us some answers. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:05:00 -
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... what part of CCP's "yeah, we'll keep working on WiS but it's mainly backurnered" stance is hard to grasp? |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:39:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:... what part of CCP's "yeah, we'll keep working on WiS but it's mainly backurnered" stance is hard to grasp?
So let CCP explain to us again |
Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:01:00 -
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Yes, I am specifically asking for clarification on CCPs vague and contradictory comments, and details on what to expect in the next 12 months.
There is no need for the anti-everything-that-isn't-flying-in-space crowd to get their knickers in a twist just yet. But they are welcome to do so.
It would be great to get a response from CSM or CCP on this. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2011.12.14 05:07:00 -
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After participating in another thread I see two broad options for WiS.
The first is that each expansion has a major focus on FiS and a minor focus on WiS. Much as Crucible had a lot of inspace stuff and a small update to Incarna in the form of the Captains quarters.
The second is an expansion (at some point) that delivers the full featured Incarna (multiplayer establishments et al) and then subsequent expansions that focus only on FiS I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet Hearts And Minds Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.14 16:52:00 -
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I fully support the questioning of CCP on matters such as this however the experience I have with public relations and marketing tells me that CCP will release information when they actually have something they can market. So it is possible they are working on new clothes that actually have color to them and they may just be also working on station environments but the simple fact is that they would only tell us if it encouraged more people to play or somehow caused an increase in revenue.
CCP above all else is a business, this is especially true/significant this year. Also keep in mind that CCP is horribly understaffed. They run a tight ship and only allow a specific allocation of resources to given projects. If CCP was less top heavy in how it spends it money then there would be the potential for better overall quality.
However right now the impression I get from the people on the inside I talked to is that CCP likes having small teams because it is both cheaper and has a lower potential for conflict and disorganization. The problem with this is that game companies competing with CCP have more resources and staff so they can pump out quality content at a much faster and consistent rate. Now do not misunderstand me, I am not trying to tell anybody at CCP how to run things, I only have a BA in Management and am by no means an expert or verified authority on such matters.
I am only trying to make the argument that CCP functions the way it does because it is managed to function that way. If CCP were to get "acquired" overnight by some observably wealthy 22 year old virgin then I can promise things would change and more people would be hired. These easily reproduced bugs and experience breaking problems would be fixed in beta. There would be more then 2 gender options and the game would have a system by which all non-trial users could vote on what they think the focus of the dev team should be. I would of course have a special team of no less then 35 devs and other staff with the exclusive focus and function of seeding the game with futanari references both written and visual in nature.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:15:00 -
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Dare I ask... how long is CCP planning on "fixing", revamping and adjusting FiS content and settings before they get it right...
Seems to me they've been at that since 2003 and it never gets done with more and more suggestions and demands for FiS stuff with each passing day from the very same people who demanded an end be put to Incarna or they rage quit. At this rate, FiS will never be done and we might as well go play 2nd life. So perhaps CCP should have 1 team dedicated to FiS and a 2nd to WiS, with a 3rd for everything in between.
That having been said, I started playing Eve for freelancer styled spaceships. I've been flying that ship for the last few years now and it's the same thing over and over again. Get ship, fly ships, run into other ships, lose ships, repeat cycle. I'm about ready to retire to a permanent life of space barbie jewing isk in my gentleman's establishment.
Therefor, I too would like some clarity on this facet of Eve. Can we haz space barbie for realz now? |
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Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:18:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:After participating in another thread I see two broad options for WiS.
The first is that each expansion has a major focus on FiS and a minor focus on WiS. Much as Crucible had a lot of inspace stuff and a small update to Incarna in the form of the Captains quarters.
The second is an expansion (at some point) that delivers the full featured Incarna (multiplayer establishments et al) and then subsequent expansions that focus only on FiS
how are these contradictory approaches, pray tell?
As I've been saying throughout this thread
-- The next 18 months will most likely be FIS heavy with fixes to all the broken things being at the forefront (POS, FW, sov, lowsec, hisec, w-space, corp roles, etc). WIS stuff will be little and "extra" to the FIX content ... maybe a corporate/alliance office or something, slowly ramping up to the "full experience".
-- once everything is in a happy place, and they can "neglect" FIS for an expansion cycle, the full WIS thing will be unveiled. This patch will have so-so FIS stuff.
-- once WIS is fully rolled out, a balanced approach to the stuff (though, TBH, I don't see much more than performance tweaks or a handful of new NEX items ever really being added ... there's only so many iterations of "Mall Foodcourt" that can be done.) |
Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2011.12.14 22:04:00 -
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Velicitia wrote: how are these contradictory approaches, pray tell?
As I've been saying throughout this thread
-- The next 18 months will most likely be FIS heavy with fixes to all the broken things being at the forefront (POS, FW, sov, lowsec, hisec, w-space, corp roles, etc). WIS stuff will be little and "extra" to the FIX content ... maybe a corporate/alliance office or something, slowly ramping up to the "full experience".
-- once everything is in a happy place, and they can "neglect" FIS for an expansion cycle, the full WIS thing will be unveiled. This patch will have so-so FIS stuff.
-- once WIS is fully rolled out, a balanced approach to the stuff (though, TBH, I don't see much more than performance tweaks or a handful of new NEX items ever really being added ... there's only so many iterations of "Mall Foodcourt" that can be done.)
Who said anything about them being contradictory approaches?
Plus this thread isn't really about endless speculation anyway. This thread was about asking the CSM to ask CCP what their plans are for WiS over the next 12 months.
Simple really.
Do you get it yet? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:24:00 -
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Well, so far after 50 days, 70 pages and 1381 messages, CCP has said an done nothing.
Also, from what CSM say about the meeting, apparently they didn't even talked about WiS (anyway I am still waiting for Meissa Anunthiel to answer my mail on the issue...)
My impression is that WiS has become that broken, half cooked feature nobody is going to look at for years.
So rather than pay 6 months of subcsription as i was due tomorrow (and which likely would had fueled the development of a lot of nullsec sh-ít I don't care about), i just sold some stuff to afford a PLEX while i wait for the minutes to come out. Maybe i'm naive to think they'll be out by January 14, but, alas... my alt account already was paid until May 2.
I am no longer playing EVE, and it's a matter of time until I stop paying for nullsec's features.
With an empty and overprized NEx store, no full-fledged Incarna, no new casual content, no new solo content and no new PvE content, I won't keep paying for someone else a getting all fun... So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2011.12.14 23:53:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Well, so far after 50 days, 70 pages and 1381 messages, CCP has said an done nothing.
Also, from what CSM say about the meeting, apparently they didn't even talked about WiS (anyway I am still waiting for Meissa Anunthiel to answer my mail on the issue...)
Yeah I am feeling the same really. Personally I don't understand the lack of response from CCP on Incarna (particulary given their active participation in other threads). It's really confusing as to why they won't give a decent response on the future of WiS.
I don't have any problem with Null sec getting some loving, as every area of EVE should get some Dev love, even those I don't personally participate in. But I don't want WiS to be abandoned. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2011.12.16 07:42:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Well, so far after 50 days, 70 pages and 1381 messages, CCP has said an done nothing.
Also, from what CSM say about the meeting, apparently they didn't even talked about WiS (anyway I am still waiting for Meissa Anunthiel to answer my mail on the issue...) Yeah I am feeling the same really. Personally I don't understand the lack of response from CCP on Incarna (particulary given their active participation in other threads). It's really confusing as to why they won't give a decent response on the future of WiS. I don't have any problem with Null sec getting some loving, as every area of EVE should get some Dev love, even those I don't personally participate in. But I don't want WiS to be abandoned.
The contrast between the good mood for everything and the scornful silence towards WiS is pretty annoying, actually. I can't figure any scenario in which sayng nothing to your concerned customers is a "solution".
Maybe we should call in the Press... So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.12.16 10:44:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:I would also like CCP to clarify the status and future plans for WIS.
Yea, Establisments and stuff |
Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2011.12.18 05:40:00 -
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Bumped in the vain hope that someone from either CCP or CSM can be bothered to respond. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.18 07:45:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Rek Seven wrote:I would also like CCP to clarify the status and future plans for WIS. Yea, Establisments and stuff
While it's not exactly establishments on stations, I am working on an Assembly Hall version of PI 2.0, that will have establishments on planetary networks that players will be able to walk around in etc.
I hope to have it posted soon.
But station (and even super cap based) establishments would rock.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2011.12.18 11:28:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:While it's not exactly establishments on stations, I am working on an Assembly Hall version of PI 2.0, that will have establishments on planetary networks that players will be able to walk around in etc. I hope to have it posted soon. But station (and even super cap based) establishments would rock.
You cheeky monkey. Using my thread to promote your own proposal.
Thankyou for supporting this request though and good luck with your own proposal. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.18 23:47:00 -
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I agree, CCP needs to be a lot more active with customer relations.
Silence is golden but CCP is now 14 karats too much. |
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