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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.07.22 00:42:34 -
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It appears that someone messed up the loot drop tables in missions. So either they increase bounties by 10000% or fix the loot drop tables to an appropiate level.
I know isk injection is bad but since you can only refine stuff to less than its worth the 2 modules that drop in a level 4 mission is just insulting.
CCP stop insulting me and I stop being impolite, sound good?
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.07.22 03:00:12 -
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you want to give any examples or maybe even an argument that shows there is something wrong with the tables
currently this post is at best a troll
and at worst a rant
either way it has nothing constructive
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.07.22 04:00:19 -
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Well I was podded out of a hole and thought since I am in highsec I could do a mission, so I went to my agent near Amarr and he gave me a level 4 Intercept the Sabotures (Blood Raider) where you have to kill everything and come back with 10 Militants.
So I went and my Barghest killed everything and I came back with my Noctis and I think that were supposed to be wrecks. Anyhow I salavaged those and the mission dropped like 10 modules and 1 metal scrap.
Sounds a little too less to what they dropped before.
The mission was Angel Extravaganza and that did drop a tad more but way too much metal scraps, which should have been switched for meta stuff like the new propulsion mods or missiles mods.
None of those dropped.
So yeah I am upset.
It's not like I can yolo-swag-OMG-pwn-mobile 8943842974267525 supers to run 9238427406478914675428548264 anomalies at once.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.07.22 04:02:19 -
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If rats drop less loot now than they did before, I do not see that as a bad thing. CCP has already said they hope to replace all the loot drops with BPC drops anyway.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.07.22 04:04:23 -
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That is fine but jeebus you could get by with level's. I mean some modules are becoming quite useful now and I wouldn't hurt if they would drop even in highsec.
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
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Posted - 2015.07.22 04:11:29 -
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Some specific rats (including mission rats) deliberately drop little/no loot. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.07.22 04:19:01 -
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Maybe it's one of those bad days when everything goes wrong for you?
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.07.22 04:31:47 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Maybe it's one of those bad days when everything goes wrong for you? Take it easy bud
Yeay it was one of those
Still either Blood Raider are dropping the least or the loot tables are wrong.
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
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Posted - 2015.07.22 04:47:42 -
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i recently got 135,000,000 from one 15 min L4, so if the loot tables are borked, lets keep them. that way.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.07.22 04:50:45 -
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Rawketsled wrote:Some specific rats (including mission rats) deliberately drop little/no loot.
I thought with the new mods come new drops but nooes.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.07.22 04:55:11 -
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elitatwo wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:Maybe it's one of those bad days when everything goes wrong for you? Take it easy bud Yeay it was one of those Still either Blood Raider are dropping the least or the loot tables are wrong.
Loot tables have gone to crap over the years tbh.
It was done to make the miners stop whining.
Then the hopeless souls looking to make money off base t1 manufacturing.
By and large unless you really want to offset salvage costs for rig building a usually best course of action is to run mission/blitz and press on. I am looking at selling the noctis at this point tbh. Seems to be CCP's sick joke really. They finally gave us a true looting ship to replace venerable salvage cata......then loot tables overtime go to crap and make you go wtf? |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.07.22 04:55:53 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:i recently got 135,000,000 from one 15 min L4, so if the loot tables are borked, lets keep them. that way.
What?
Was that by any chance a burner mission? If so, I decline those since they cost too much. The only level 4 missions that have a nice payout are Angel Extravaganza and Dread Pirate Scarlet with ~45m.
But I mean the level 4 missions that have been here forever. They even used to drop capacitor charges but that was removed a while back for reasonsGäó.
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.07.22 04:57:05 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:elitatwo wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:Maybe it's one of those bad days when everything goes wrong for you? Take it easy bud Yeay it was one of those Still either Blood Raider are dropping the least or the loot tables are wrong. Loot tables have gone to crap over the years tbh. It was done to make the miners stop whining. Then the hopeless souls looking to make money off base t1 manufacturing. By and large unless you really want to offset salvage costs for rig building a usually best course of action is to run mission/blitz and press on. I am looking at selling the noctis at this point tbh. Seems to be CCP's sick joke really. They finally gave us a true looting ship to replace venerable salvage cata......then loot tables overtime go to crap and make you go wtf?
Thank you, Zan. I agree.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.07.22 05:43:29 -
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elitatwo wrote: Thank you, Zan. I agree.
I was bored waitng for a server to do something at work so ran eft.
The old school cata with 1 cargo rig I, 3 expanders. Capacity 1073 m3 (841 m3 with 2 expanders if by some chance I am brain farting a low slot change in dessies over the years...been a while since I ran cata's for this)
Noctis, no cargo mods of any kind. Capacity 1460 m3
recent years I have never broken half of noctis cargo limit in empire. Now salvage cata....back in the good old days I had 2 choices.
PIck and choose the loot for 1 run. Or make more than 1 run. I remember when cap charges were dropped as loot. And man did they fill up space fast. Left untold m3's of this in space many a time. |
Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise
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Posted - 2015.07.22 05:48:20 -
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I have noticed the same in my bull ratting.
Personally, more loot in a state that needs to be repaired would be cool. Loot in all cases should have some damage to it. Would give a isk sink for most stations (null would depend on the station owner)
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2015.07.22 06:24:42 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:Personally, more loot in a state that needs to be repaired would be cool. I'd rather go with something to extract a BPC from. Something like ghetto reverse engineering. Not BPC drops themselves though - they will be absolute PITA to buy/sell en masse.
Maybe that will give people a reason to produce T1.
By the way, the idea was around since at least 2011.
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
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Posted - 2015.07.22 06:37:53 -
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elitatwo wrote:Rawketsled wrote:Some specific rats (including mission rats) deliberately drop little/no loot. I thought with the new mods come new drops but nooes. New MWDs drop plenty.
I'm in Serpentis space, so I don't get new missiles modules. Though I might be getting a disproportionate volume of MWDs.
Wait, are there meta missile mods? |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2015.07.22 07:01:42 -
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Rawketsled wrote:Wait, are there meta missile mods? I got one from superior sleeper site yesterday.
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Do Little
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
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Posted - 2015.07.22 07:32:16 -
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Why should high-sec missions pay more than other low risk isk farms? Newer players - who are at risk because of low skills - are generally quite happy with the payout. Experienced players should be scanning and running DED sites - they pay quite well, even in high-sec. There is also a random element - the implant reward for Shipyard Theft can vary from 20 mil to 150 mil.
I don't believe mission loot should be competing with player industry and would support a change to dropping blueprints or more valuable salvage instead of modules. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.07.22 08:16:08 -
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Do Little wrote:Why should high-sec missions pay more than other low risk isk farms? Newer players - who are at risk because of low skills - are generally quite happy with the payout. Experienced players should be scanning and running DED sites - they pay quite well, even in high-sec. There is also a random element - the implant reward for Shipyard Theft can vary from 20 mil to 150 mil.
I don't believe mission loot should be competing with player industry and would support a change to dropping blueprints or more valuable salvage instead of modules.
That is not what I was proposing even though I exaggerated in my op. I made an observation and I still am under the impression that there is something of.
Thanks to Rawketsled, now I know that they drop at least from Serpentis. It is not that I demand to make tonsa isk with looting, I just think Blood Raider drop a tad too less for the amount of ships that were destroyed.
Compared with the anomalies you find in nullsec like Heavens and Sanctums those also don't drop much these days which is sad because the risk in dangerous space doesn't only come from the NPCs you face.
And don't worry, Do Little, I am used to run Sleeper anomalies which can pay (you kinda need to go to empire space and collect it first) a lot more for much less time spent but due to the threat Sleepers pose it is appropiate.
Maybe I am spoiled now but I still think that some increase in drop won't hurt.
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Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.22 08:18:48 -
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Dispite how utterly abysmal this thread is laid out... The loot tables are Wacked. All ships should fit into armor or shields with small medium and large drop tables for each. Loot should be pulled from these omni tables which include things that all ships might use. Tank modules of all applicable types, points, webs, scrams, Sebo's, nanos, eccm, signal amps, warp stabs, etc.
With small medium and large racial drop tables for weapons, damage mods, flavor ewar (ecm, neuts, TD, damps, TP) etc.
I would like ships to generate a full fit, and drop half, but that would be to much loot as they are now, you would have to merge every 3 ships that spawn into one, triple their bounty, triple their ehp, triple their Dps, double their rep pulses and base speed, give them tackle and prop activation. Make pve, a little more pvp like... But that's a pipe dream. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.07.22 08:24:34 -
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Kasia en Tilavine wrote:Dispite how utterly abysmal this thread is laid out... The loot tables are Wacked. All ships should fit into armor or shields with small medium and large drop tables for each. Loot should be pulled from these omni tables which include things that all ships might use. Tank modules of all applicable types, points, webs, scrams, Sebo's, nanos, eccm, signal amps, warp stabs, etc.
With small medium and large racial drop tables for weapons, damage mods, flavor ewar (ecm, neuts, TD, damps, TP) etc.
I would like ships to generate a full fit, and drop half, but that would be to much loot as they are now, you would have to merge every 3 ships that spawn into one, triple their bounty, triple their ehp, triple their Dps, double their rep pulses and base speed, give them tackle and prop activation. Make pve, a little more pvp like... But that's a pipe dream.
hey a girl can dream..
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.22 08:37:54 -
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elitatwo wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:i recently got 135,000,000 from one 15 min L4, so if the loot tables are borked, lets keep them. that way. What? Was that by any chance a burner mission? If so, I decline those since they cost too much. The only level 4 missions that have a nice payout are Angel Extravaganza and Dread Pirate Scarlet with ~45m. But I mean the level 4 missions that have been here forever. They even used to drop capacitor charges but that was removed a while back for reasonsGäó.
i do missions and get like 50mil loot and about 20-30mil of bounties each mission
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2015.07.22 08:59:39 -
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Personally, I do not really care about the ISK value of the loot. From the standpoint though of Indy trying to fill fitted ship orders, a lot of meta gear(non player built) just does not drop enough. Doing on average 10-30 missions ofr just 1 single module of type is whacked.
I agree the loot drop tables need to be revised. And when they do, try to make them more so based on the type of targets that get shot up. For example? When does a combat battleship ever have need of dropping 3 mining lasers? |
elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.07.22 09:16:21 -
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Lan Wang wrote:...i do missions and get like 50mil loot and about 20-30mil of bounties each mission
Only if you cherrypick them. I doubt a 'Duo of Death' pays that much or an 'Unauthorized Military Presents'. This is not about the bounty payout it is about the lootdrops. Even though they aren't much worth of isk they hold value in the items that drop since you don't have to buy them.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
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Posted - 2015.07.22 09:18:13 -
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You probably just had a random day. Some days I get very little, the other day I got two superior caches and a standard cache in a row.
This is why I enjoy explo, those surprise days really make you smile...
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.07.22 09:38:13 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:You probably just had a random day. Some days I get very little, the other day I got two superior caches and a standard cache in a row.
This is why I enjoy explo, those surprise days really make you smile...
Just like Tiddle said, one of those days.
I don't know much about Sleeper caches but since I was podded back to Amarr I thought I visit my agent nearby and do some missions. I did missions for many years but I do remember that Blood Raiders dropped a little more than they did last night. It is fine that some of those bats- umm wrecks are empty but not so many and that agent loves me, oh and I have Negotiation V and my standing is still +10.
Even the Angel Extravaganza used to drop a little more.
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.07.22 10:00:55 -
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the loot is garbage it only serves a purpose to reprocess so you can make bpc's, tags and bounties are the main thing, i dont cherry pick i run every mission apart from burners
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.07.22 10:13:59 -
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Lan Wang wrote:the loot is garbage it only serves a purpose to reprocess so you can make bpc's, tags and bounties are the main thing, i dont cherry pick i run every mission apart from burners
I didn't accuse you of anything, my point was that some missions don't pay 50m but they also don't take long to complete.
But you are right, anything you don't have use for you can refine and make something useful with it. It is just upsetting that the drops dropped a lot and the amount of emtpy wrecks is too high.
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Celthric Kanerian
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Posted - 2015.07.22 10:51:42 -
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So you want missions to become even bigger isk faucets?
At the moment, I do missions in my Paladin for level 4 missions. I make around 20-30 million isk per. mission by looting everything, salvaging everything, mission payment + bonus and bounty.
And even better, some missions have a chance to spawn faction mobs which is another 50-70 million isk. |
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