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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
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Posted - 2015.07.22 19:22:24 -
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It's happening oO
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Asuka Solo
Knights of Azrael Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2015.07.22 21:06:13 -
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If it is true, yay more incursions!
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
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Ultim8Evil
Full Spectrum Inc Fidelas Constans
181
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Posted - 2015.07.22 21:08:10 -
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RIP Amarr LP Store
Follow me on Twitter for literally no good reason @TheUltim8Evil
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NFain
Elysian Ascent Empyreus
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Posted - 2015.07.22 21:48:34 -
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A really large piece of me wishes there was still a storyline connected after incursions were released. The Sansha Nation need the boot badly, if they rotated incursions and factions it'd be pretty cool. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11878
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Posted - 2015.07.23 00:27:40 -
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This thread is obviously a lie, because according to people on this forum CCP doesn't care about PVE and hasn't added any pve content in like 14 years even though EVE is only 12 years old... |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
914
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Posted - 2015.07.23 02:18:24 -
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The end of Amarr empire is near...lets hope they are not sansha with more tanks and more ganks. |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2015.07.23 06:44:20 -
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Pend Insurance should brace themselves, for drifters are coming.
Oh well, it's not like they are making any profits anyway...
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1153
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Posted - 2015.07.23 07:18:28 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:This thread is obviously a lie, because according to people on this forum CCP doesn't care about PVE and hasn't added any pve content in like 14 years even though EVE is only 12 years old...
they seem to add more pve stuff than anything else, funny that huh.
they will allow supers in these and we can watch carebears welp officer fit pve nyx's doing stupid ****
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
2608
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Posted - 2015.07.23 07:53:52 -
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damn, i read it again. Dissapoint. |
Aladar Dangerface
13. Enigma Project
195
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Posted - 2015.07.23 08:28:42 -
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I just hope they are not some lame, **** easy way for risk-averse carebears to farm isk. We already have this with sansha incursions.
Let them be actually dangerous or only in dangerous space, wh space would be cool
I don't need twitter.
I'm already following you.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1153
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Posted - 2015.07.23 08:32:37 -
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Aladar Dangerface wrote:I just hope they are not some lame, **** easy way for risk-averse carebears to farm isk. We already have this with sansha incursions. Let them be actually dangerous or only in dangerous space, wh space would be cool
it would actually make sense for them to be in wormholes
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Jaantrag
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Posted - 2015.07.23 08:36:05 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:I just hope they are not some lame, **** easy way for risk-averse carebears to farm isk. We already have this with sansha incursions. Let them be actually dangerous or only in dangerous space, wh space would be cool it would actually make sense for them to be in wormholes
well drifters are coming and amarr is defending .. so .. not really sense for em to be in wh-s ... or meybe add offencive missions that take the fleet to wh space .. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2299
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Posted - 2015.07.23 08:37:50 -
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Aladar Dangerface wrote:I just hope they are not some lame, **** easy way for risk-averse carebears to farm isk. We already have this with sansha incursions. Let them be actually dangerous or only in dangerous space, wh space would be cool It's almost like Sansha incursions ARE dangerous. And people die to them on a daily basis. Just like any content with a predictable AI (even drifters) people can optimise and if you always take the best most efficient people as your benchmark you are going to get a terribly flawed view on what is going on. Calling pilots who incursion risk adverse is laughable, considering the amount of teamwork and thus reliance on OTHER people that goes on. You can't risk manage other peoples actions fully. So true risk adverse people don't incursion.
However let me also remind you of risk/reward comparision. If they are more dangerous than Sansha incursions, they must pay out that much more. Meaning once people master Drifter sites..... they will pay out even larger sums of money. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.07.23 08:40:21 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:Pend Insurance should brace themselves, for drifters are coming.
Oh well, it's not like they are making any profits anyway...
Don't get me started on insurance.
40 million ship best insurance on it is less than 0.5 million.
Now that's not insurance that's an insult. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1153
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Posted - 2015.07.23 08:41:27 -
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Jaantrag wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:I just hope they are not some lame, **** easy way for risk-averse carebears to farm isk. We already have this with sansha incursions. Let them be actually dangerous or only in dangerous space, wh space would be cool it would actually make sense for them to be in wormholes well drifters are coming and amarr is defending .. so .. not really sense for em to be in wh-s ... or meybe add offencive missions that take the fleet to wh space ..
well there is that but they also stage from wormholes and judging by the defence of these things unless they allow capitals into highsec or remove the doomsday then seems wormholes will be best place for them, i guess time will tell, highsec doesnt need another mega money carebear activity
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.23 08:52:03 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Jaantrag wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:I just hope they are not some lame, **** easy way for risk-averse carebears to farm isk. We already have this with sansha incursions. Let them be actually dangerous or only in dangerous space, wh space would be cool it would actually make sense for them to be in wormholes well drifters are coming and amarr is defending .. so .. not really sense for em to be in wh-s ... or meybe add offencive missions that take the fleet to wh space .. well there is that but they also stage from wormholes and judging by the defence of these things unless they allow capitals into highsec or remove the doomsday then seems wormholes will be best place for them, i guess time will tell, highsec doesnt need another mega money carebear activity
Yesterday flew from Amarr space to Minmatar came arcoss 4 reds NPCs at a gate, then they just vanished. 5 jumps later 4 more reds at a gate (on overview) then they vanished again.
If those are the incursion rats, then I'm not sure what they're supposed to be doing as they don't seem to be doing much at all. |
Aladar Dangerface
13. Enigma Project
195
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Posted - 2015.07.23 08:53:17 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:I just hope they are not some lame, **** easy way for risk-averse carebears to farm isk. We already have this with sansha incursions. Let them be actually dangerous or only in dangerous space, wh space would be cool It's almost like Sansha incursions ARE dangerous. And people die to them on a daily basis. Just like any content with a predictable AI (even drifters) people can optimise and if you always take the best most efficient people as your benchmark you are going to get a terribly flawed view on what is going on. Calling pilots who incursion risk adverse is laughable, considering the amount of teamwork and thus reliance on OTHER people that goes on. You can't risk manage other peoples actions fully. So true risk adverse people don't incursion. However let me also remind you of risk/reward comparision. If they are more dangerous than Sansha incursions, they must pay out that much more. Meaning once people master Drifter sites..... they will pay out even larger sums of money. I agree they should pay out more than incursions if they are in dangerous space, the risk:reward ratio of incursions is highly skewed compared to other forms of pve an imo should get nerfed a little.
In Incursions you only have to deal with rats killing you. In other areas of space you have to deal with the chances of rats killing you and also the very likely scenario of other players killing you this is why incursions risk:reward is not balanced, (don't give me the **** that players kill incursion runners, it doesn't happen often enough to make it a valid counter argument) now im not say nerf incursion payouts until they are not worht running but they should not pay out as much as they do, somewhere between the average L4 mission ad the curent incursion payout level i would say.
I don't need twitter.
I'm already following you.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1153
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Posted - 2015.07.23 08:55:52 -
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Avvy wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Jaantrag wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:I just hope they are not some lame, **** easy way for risk-averse carebears to farm isk. We already have this with sansha incursions. Let them be actually dangerous or only in dangerous space, wh space would be cool it would actually make sense for them to be in wormholes well drifters are coming and amarr is defending .. so .. not really sense for em to be in wh-s ... or meybe add offencive missions that take the fleet to wh space .. well there is that but they also stage from wormholes and judging by the defence of these things unless they allow capitals into highsec or remove the doomsday then seems wormholes will be best place for them, i guess time will tell, highsec doesnt need another mega money carebear activity Yesterday flew from Amarr space to Minmatar came arcoss 4 reds NPCs at a gate, then they just vanished. 5 jumps later 4 more reds at a gate (on overview) then they vanished again. If those are the incursion rats, then I'm not sure what they're supposed to be doing as they don't seem to be doing much at all.
may have been seekers scanning stuff, i wouldnt shoot them they will just call in friends (drifters) and you die :)
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ashley Eoner
486
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Posted - 2015.07.23 11:04:07 -
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Aladar Dangerface wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:I just hope they are not some lame, **** easy way for risk-averse carebears to farm isk. We already have this with sansha incursions. Let them be actually dangerous or only in dangerous space, wh space would be cool It's almost like Sansha incursions ARE dangerous. And people die to them on a daily basis. Just like any content with a predictable AI (even drifters) people can optimise and if you always take the best most efficient people as your benchmark you are going to get a terribly flawed view on what is going on. Calling pilots who incursion risk adverse is laughable, considering the amount of teamwork and thus reliance on OTHER people that goes on. You can't risk manage other peoples actions fully. So true risk adverse people don't incursion. However let me also remind you of risk/reward comparision. If they are more dangerous than Sansha incursions, they must pay out that much more. Meaning once people master Drifter sites..... they will pay out even larger sums of money. I agree they should pay out more than incursions if they are in dangerous space, the risk:reward ratio of incursions is highly skewed compared to other forms of pve an imo should get nerfed a little. In Incursions you only have to deal with rats killing you. In other areas of space you have to deal with the chances of rats killing you and also the very likely scenario of other players killing you this is why incursions risk:reward is not balanced, (don't give me the **** that players kill incursion runners, it doesn't happen often enough to make it a valid counter argument) now im not say nerf incursion payouts until they are not worht running but they should not pay out as much as they do, somewhere between the average L4 mission ad the curent incursion payout level i would say. Only rats Code, goons, and other groups that swing by to pipe bomb or suicide gank you.
Then there's the moving of your ships and god help you if you move your blinged out BS through eudama/niarja at the wrong time.
Risk exists and can be mitigated just like in other areas of space.
You don't even want to know how much isk I'm making in null while mostly AFK.
Done right level 4s can net more an hour than what you can get running incursions. |
Anthar Thebess
1236
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Posted - 2015.07.23 11:12:00 -
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Burn Amarr - drifter version. I hope that drifters will camp gates , and kill people on them.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1155
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Posted - 2015.07.23 11:39:41 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Burn Amarr - drifter version. I hope that drifters will camp gates , and kill people on them.
carebears will go mad!
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ashley Eoner
486
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Posted - 2015.07.23 12:06:14 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Burn Amarr - drifter version. I hope that drifters will camp gates , and kill people on them. carebears will go mad! Bigger issue would be another game aspect to drive away new players thus helping the decline in numbers. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1528
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Posted - 2015.07.23 18:50:28 -
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Lan Wang wrote:well there is that but they also stage from wormholes and judging by the defence of these things unless they allow capitals into highsec or remove the doomsday then seems wormholes will be best place for them, i guess time will tell, highsec doesnt need another mega money carebear activity This seems like somewhat of a reskin to the activity highsec already has. It effectively adds nothing. Though it might actually detract from money making prospects as we won't be intimately familiar with the sites and thus able to optimize every encounter. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3852
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Posted - 2015.07.23 19:50:44 -
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Wow, Incursions Again! Right after Sovereignty Again and as EVE re-development progresses towards Apochrypha Again!
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Daemun Khanid
Sanctus Imperialis
128
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Posted - 2015.07.23 20:13:46 -
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Making drifter incursions just feels to me like they took a cool developing story line and said "meh, we're done. Here are some new npc's to shoot at. " it's basicaly saying the story line is essentially dead in the water, all thats left is pew pew the bad guys. Just sansha's in less horny ships. If this is all thats to become of the drifter storyline then I'm very dissapointed. Almost as anti-climatic as sarum's titan visit the other day.
Daemun of Khanid
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1164
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Posted - 2015.07.23 20:19:05 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:Making drifter incursions just feels to me like they took a cool developing story line and said "meh, we're done. Here are some new npc's to shoot at. " it's basicaly saying the story line is essentially dead in the water, all thats left is pew pew the bad guys. Just sansha's in less horny ships. If this is all thats to become of the drifter storyline then I'm very dissapointed. Almost as anti-climatic as sarum's titan visit the other day.
Amen.
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Hal Morsh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
347
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Posted - 2015.07.23 21:41:11 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Wow, Incursions Again! Right after Sovereignty Again and as EVE re-development progresses towards Apochrypha Again!
No worries, if walking around becomes a thing I get to watch peoples heads pop. Regardless of my opinion.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2300
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Posted - 2015.07.23 21:53:39 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:Making drifter incursions just feels to me like they took a cool developing story line and said "meh, we're done. Here are some new npc's to shoot at. " it's basicaly saying the story line is essentially dead in the water, all thats left is pew pew the bad guys. Just sansha's in less horny ships. If this is all thats to become of the drifter storyline then I'm very dissapointed. Almost as anti-climatic as sarum's titan visit the other day. This assumes they don't keep stats on the drifter sites, how many are won vs lost, and then develop the story further because of it. There needs to be some fleet PvE in all areas of space, but providing they leave normal incursions running, nothing says Drifter 'incursions' have to be a full time thing but it provides a mechanic for them to provide content over a reasonable period for a storyline without constant Dev spawning. |
Velarra
421
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Posted - 2015.07.23 22:14:12 -
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Standings & consequences. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.07.23 22:39:11 -
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Velarra wrote:Standings & consequences.
But they don't want to be your friends. They just want to kill you. So it's all about them hating you more and more until hell frezes.
My first thought when Seekers appeared, was that it would be cool to assist them if attacked. I really like the idea of friendly NPCs which were useful for something. Yet back then I thought, "but, !!CCP!!; they will never come pu with that".
And here we are. I stopped killing Seekers since i don't trust CCP to be sensible enough to give a way out if I happen to burn out this character. Now there's rumors of Incursions...
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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