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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
743
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Posted - 2015.11.11 18:17:42 -
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Pryce Caesar wrote:Ouch. That is a pretty big bug. No wonder the Incursions flyers seem to be doing so well.
Yuppers.
Advantage is that it shows a mechanic that cannot be farmed once implemented properly. As more control is gained, site spawn rate seems to decrease to the point where the final trigger is available and that seems to be clear remaining sites. There does not appear to be a final boss style of clearing like the Sansha have.
Overall, once corrected of the bugs, they will be very dangerous sites. Right now, it is just money rain. Was so bad, I am trying to imagine they still arent released....
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
4106
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Posted - 2015.11.11 23:13:50 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Pryce Caesar wrote:
Well, the Drifters are officially back in the game, but I've heard there may be some kind of bug that makes them easier than they should be.
More than that. The bug is that drifters attack other drifters. Therefore, warp in, wait. Kill the last stand. If lucky, they already fired off their doomsdays and voila. Free isk, no ships lost. In the defense ones, no shots are required because the Amarr navy kills them So grab your small cheap gank fleet, fly in and shoot the last standing. FREE LP AND ISK!
Houm... I can't seem to find any care. I am devoid of emotions to feel about it.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Astrid Farnsworth
Broke and Famous
3
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Posted - 2015.11.12 00:59:02 -
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People expect that everything have to work out fine at the first try. Thats why one CCP ask us player to test the drifters on sisi but if we dont well why do we pic that much on the cure t problems. So they did not get sufficient tested in sisi so ccp bring it to new eden how ever it is so they get people trAin it. The problem of this approach not everybody have sufficient isk to waist in ship.
So basically we are the lab rats of this show. |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
665
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Posted - 2015.11.12 02:54:19 -
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Astrid Farnsworth wrote:... So basically we are the lab rats of this show. We have been lab rats since we started playing. For some players that means since the dawn of EvE...
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
745
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Posted - 2015.11.12 03:45:50 -
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Astrid Farnsworth wrote:People expect that everything have to work out fine at the first try. Thats why one CCP ask us player to test the drifters on sisi but if we dont well why do we pic that much on the cure t problems. So they did not get sufficient tested in sisi so ccp bring it to new eden how ever it is so they get people trAin it. The problem of this approach not everybody have sufficient isk to waist in ship.
So basically we are the lab rats of this show.
Don't get me wrong, I understand the problem and pretty sure CCP is fixing it. Keeping it mum is the best decision too.
These problems didn't show in Sisi either.
Lastly, is only wasted isk if a person goes gungho without attempting to get intelligence or focus on it. If a person wants to get in right off the bat, there is communities specializing in drifters that a person can take part with. Lots of isk and time spent by them to get info.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Astrid Farnsworth
Broke and Famous
3
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Posted - 2015.11.12 05:23:10 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Astrid Farnsworth wrote:People expect that everything have to work out fine at the first try. Thats why one CCP ask us player to test the drifters on sisi but if we dont well why do we pic that much on the cure t problems. So they did not get sufficient tested in sisi so ccp bring it to new eden how ever it is so they get people trAin it. The problem of this approach not everybody have sufficient isk to waist in ship.
So basically we are the lab rats of this show. Don't get me wrong, I understand the problem and pretty sure CCP is fixing it. Keeping it mum is the best decision too. These problems didn't show in Sisi either. Lastly, is only wasted isk if a person goes gungho without attempting to get intelligence or focus on it. If a person wants to get in right off the bat, there is communities specializing in drifters that a person can take part with. Lots of isk and time spent by them to get info.
Cool, you also thanks to don't get me wrong. I know might be its difficult but they will also need to improve the isk vs risk factor. If this driftcursion dont pay good isk it will be less popular.
Fun to have a nice discussion in the interweb. It |
Astrid Farnsworth
Broke and Famous
3
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Posted - 2015.11.12 05:24:33 -
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Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:Astrid Farnsworth wrote:... So basically we are the lab rats of this show. We have been lab rats since we started playing. For some players that means since the dawn of EvE...
truth hurts |
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
746
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Posted - 2015.11.12 05:44:54 -
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Astrid Farnsworth wrote: Cool, you also thanks to don't get me wrong. I know might be its difficult but they will also need to improve the isk vs risk factor. If this driftcursion dont pay good isk it will be less popular.
Fun to have a nice discussion in the interweb. It
Also agree that payout needs a tweak. There are some issues so I did number crunching on it for theorycraft. IiRC, 16m for a medium site and they clear fast and three ships lost. Cruiser potentially. with full insurance, that is probably 15m isk to replace. In early sansha, after a fight where a ship was lost, each person chipped in a small portion to cover ship. Therefore, three ships down est. Would be a 12m net payout. But they are fast, like a burner mission. Good isk/h if well set up and doesnt exclude lower SP players. Very nice and accessible for the new guys.
There is one major issue though. It is capsules in site do not seem to get a reward. So no isk, no lp. To split that out of survivors earnings is a serious chunk of change.
I actually wasnt orginally expecting them to be so good for the new players considering the AI. As an experience, it really will do wonders for players to get comfortable with ship loss and fleet ops. While caracals are the mainstay, some tweakimg and theorycrafting puts some good numbers to non caracal fleets. Really isn't a one is best.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Ransu Asanari
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
471
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Posted - 2015.11.12 11:49:49 -
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After downtime today, it looks like the Drifters no longer attack each other. |
Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
20
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Posted - 2015.11.15 15:27:35 -
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Ransu Asanari wrote:After downtime today, it looks like the Drifters no longer attack each other.
And because of that down-time, it looks like no one has been able to or wants to try and make a dent in their Incursions, anymore (last I checked). I suppose they are just too much for normal Incursion flyers to handle. |
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Soldarius
O C C U P Y
1434
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Posted - 2015.11.15 18:20:13 -
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Well, they are live, and do absolutely nothing. Went into a site and they all just sit there doing nothing. Amarr and Drifters. All in a big circle singing Kumbaya. Hisec, losec, doesn't matter. They'll fir back if you fire on them. Otherwise, whats the point? I thought they were supposed to be at war?
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
116
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Posted - 2015.11.17 08:40:32 -
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If you want the honey, sometimes you gotta go poke the nest
Storylines quite often have unlock events that need to be achieved before the next chapter unfolds. Don't expect CCP to just hand out the candy |
Valacus
Streets of Fire
14
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Posted - 2015.11.17 20:44:31 -
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Eh, if there's nothing in it but a 16m payout, no one will do drifter incursions. Sansha incursions pay more and the infostructure and network is already established. They will tell you everything you need to know about running Sansha incursions, fit your ship for you, and even provide SRP if your ship is lost because FC or logi dropped the ball. It's a safe bet and the community is very welcoming to new comers, because they know without enough people the sites aren't runnable. If drifter incursions guarantee that someone will lose their ship, no one is going to do them. It makes no sense to do them. No one wants to lose a ship in PvE. You get nothing in return. At least in PvP you get a killboard filled with the blood of your enemies as well as your own. With drifters you just get a loss mail. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1983
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Posted - 2015.11.17 20:55:27 -
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Valacus wrote:Eh, if there's nothing in it but a 16m payout, no one will do drifter incursions. Sansha incursions pay more and the infostructure and network is already established. They will tell you everything you need to know about running Sansha incursions, fit your ship for you, and even provide SRP if your ship is lost because FC or logi dropped the ball. It's a safe bet and the community is very welcoming to new comers, because they know without enough people the sites aren't runnable. If drifter incursions guarantee that someone will lose their ship, no one is going to do them. It makes no sense to do them. No one wants to lose a ship in PvE. You get nothing in return. At least in PvP you get a killboard filled with the blood of your enemies as well as your own. With drifters you just get a loss mail. Tick, tock, tick, tock...
The sun is setting on the Sansha Incursions for the reasons outlined above. The only question that remains is will they be removed during the December 8th expansion, or one of the releases in the beginning of the new year? |
Valacus
Streets of Fire
14
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Posted - 2015.11.17 21:10:35 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Valacus wrote:Eh, if there's nothing in it but a 16m payout, no one will do drifter incursions. Sansha incursions pay more and the infostructure and network is already established. They will tell you everything you need to know about running Sansha incursions, fit your ship for you, and even provide SRP if your ship is lost because FC or logi dropped the ball. It's a safe bet and the community is very welcoming to new comers, because they know without enough people the sites aren't runnable. If drifter incursions guarantee that someone will lose their ship, no one is going to do them. It makes no sense to do them. No one wants to lose a ship in PvE. You get nothing in return. At least in PvP you get a killboard filled with the blood of your enemies as well as your own. With drifters you just get a loss mail. Tick, tock, tick, tock... The sun is setting on the Sansha Incursions for the reasons outlined above. The only question that remains is will they be removed during the December 8th expansion, or one of the releases in the beginning of the new year?
I highly doubt it. CCP has changed entire balancing plans to accommodate Sansha incursion runners. Wanna know one of the main reasons they won't get rid of off grid boosters? Starts with an "i". |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1983
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Posted - 2015.11.17 21:24:36 -
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Valacus wrote:[I highly doubt it. CCP has changed entire balancing plans to accommodate Sansha incursion runners. Wanna know one of the main reasons they won't get rid of off grid boosters? Starts with an "i". Hey, no sweat off my back if you keep your head buried in the sand.
What's more likely: that CCP would spend thousands of developer hours building new Incursions that they release balanced such that no one runs them, or that they have the audacity to remove the farmfest that are the five-year old Sansha Incursions?
Incursions aren't going away, they are just being replaced with a slightly more dangerous and dynamic version. As you pointed out there is no way they can coexist, therefore the only conclusion is the Sansha ones are going away and probably sooner rather than later.
But feel free to believe whatever you want. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1839
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Posted - 2015.11.17 21:25:24 -
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Valacus wrote:Black Pedro wrote:Valacus wrote:Eh, if there's nothing in it but a 16m payout, no one will do drifter incursions. Sansha incursions pay more and the infostructure and network is already established. They will tell you everything you need to know about running Sansha incursions, fit your ship for you, and even provide SRP if your ship is lost because FC or logi dropped the ball. It's a safe bet and the community is very welcoming to new comers, because they know without enough people the sites aren't runnable. If drifter incursions guarantee that someone will lose their ship, no one is going to do them. It makes no sense to do them. No one wants to lose a ship in PvE. You get nothing in return. At least in PvP you get a killboard filled with the blood of your enemies as well as your own. With drifters you just get a loss mail. Tick, tock, tick, tock... The sun is setting on the Sansha Incursions for the reasons outlined above. The only question that remains is will they be removed during the December 8th expansion, or one of the releases in the beginning of the new year? I highly doubt it. CCP has changed entire balancing plans to accommodate Sansha incursion runners. Wanna know one of the main reasons they won't get rid of off grid boosters? Starts with an "i".
everything has been nerfed dont seem so naive that incursions wont get the nerf bat treatment
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Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2015.11.17 21:25:50 -
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Valacus wrote:Black Pedro wrote:Valacus wrote:Eh, if there's nothing in it but a 16m payout, no one will do drifter incursions. Sansha incursions pay more and the infostructure and network is already established. They will tell you everything you need to know about running Sansha incursions, fit your ship for you, and even provide SRP if your ship is lost because FC or logi dropped the ball. It's a safe bet and the community is very welcoming to new comers, because they know without enough people the sites aren't runnable. If drifter incursions guarantee that someone will lose their ship, no one is going to do them. It makes no sense to do them. No one wants to lose a ship in PvE. You get nothing in return. At least in PvP you get a killboard filled with the blood of your enemies as well as your own. With drifters you just get a loss mail. Tick, tock, tick, tock... The sun is setting on the Sansha Incursions for the reasons outlined above. The only question that remains is will they be removed during the December 8th expansion, or one of the releases in the beginning of the new year? I highly doubt it. CCP has changed entire balancing plans to accommodate Sansha incursion runners. Wanna know one of the main reasons they won't get rid of off grid boosters? Starts with an "i".
"I"sboxer?
No wait, they did that one already |
Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
20
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Posted - 2015.11.18 01:22:35 -
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In other words, if people want to unlock more storyline content, people will have to jump into the inferno and go fight against the Drifters.
I'm not quite experienced enough in general to go up against monsters like the Drifters, but I'm eager to see what will happen when people do. After all, no one has been able to budge their influence much in the Incursion as a whole. Drifters seem to be too much for normal Incursion goers. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2712
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Posted - 2015.11.18 01:44:46 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Hey, no sweat off my back if you keep your head buried in the sand.
What's more likely: that CCP would spend thousands of developer hours building new Incursions that they release balanced such that no one runs them, or that they have the audacity to remove the farmfest that are the five-year old Sansha Incursions?
Incursions aren't going away, they are just being replaced with a slightly more dangerous and dynamic version. As you pointed out there is no way they can coexist, therefore the only conclusion is the Sansha ones are going away and probably sooner rather than later.
But feel free to believe whatever you want. Tell you what, you go put together a group that can run Drifter incursions in a way that is profitable at all. Then work out what your income per hour is counting all the time spent reshipping, the fact that the pilots who die get no payout because pods don't count and drifters pod as well, and all the logistical time shipping all those replacement ships to the drifter incursions. Then come back with your 'slightly more dangerous' rubbish again. Currently drifter incursions are at best lvl 1 or 2 mission level income. |
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Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2015.11.18 02:15:04 -
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Pryce Caesar wrote:In other words, if people want to unlock more storyline content, people will have to jump into the inferno and go fight against the Drifters. I'm not quite experienced enough in general to go up against monsters like the Drifters, but I'm eager to see what will happen when people do. After all, no one has been able to budge their influence much in the Incursion as a whole. Drifters seem to be too much for normal Incursion goers.
Niether am I, mate. But that isn't stopping me from having fun with them I've been poking with them since the first day they showed up. And they can die like everything else.
DARE to do something different! To be first! If all you care about is killboards, stats or I$K? ...sigh... |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
760
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Posted - 2015.11.18 02:23:52 -
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Personally I do not care for the profitability, the logistics involved or the probability of losing ships in a PvE activity. Although I am aware that that is probably a minority standpoint.
What I do care about is that I can't seem to find other people willing to actually try to fight the current Drifter incursions. I have asked around a lot. Freely translated the most common answer given comes down to this: 'We haven't figured out yet how to run them without losses'.
That saddens me a bit.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
21
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Posted - 2015.11.18 04:34:19 -
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Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:Personally I do not care for the profitability, the logistics involved or the probability of losing ships in a PvE activity. I would not mind it being a net loss in Isk, in time, in ships. Although I am aware that that is probably a minority standpoint.
What I do care about is that I can't seem to find other people willing to actually try to fight the current Drifter incursions. I have asked around a lot. Freely translated the most common answer given comes down to this: 'We haven't figured out yet how to run them without losses'.
That saddens me a bit.
Well, that is basically the formula a lot of people like to go for when it comes to playing games: they want to find the methodology that will incur the most profit with the least amount of risk first before they make an attempt. In this case, the Drifters appear to be far tougher than anything to be seen of the Sansha Incursions. They are among the most advanced ships in the game.
Even if a man can take on a flight of three Drifter Cruisers and one Battleship, the Incursions are about facing all of that in groups big enough to make fielding a fleet necessary. I believe that, in that scenario, the risk would out-weigh the benefits in the eyes of normal Incursion goers, since I would think that the Drifters are advanced enough that the normal Sansha tactics would not work against them.
Granted, I say this when I am not making any attempts on the Incursions myself, because I'm located quite far away from them and I feel I would lack the skill level necessary to take them head-on, even in a fleet.
It is sad that people are not diving at the opportunity to take on the Drifters, especially after all the work CCP put into fixing the issues that initially plagued them.
At the rate things are going, I would not be surprised if people only started fighting back when the Drifters are spread out enough to become a major problem to the livelihoods of players in those regions and those around.
They are an Incursion designed to spread their influence the longer they are left alone, after all.
It almost makes me wonder what would happen if the Incursions spread into the Throne Worlds themselves. After all, the Incursions ARE about the Throne Worlds' defense. |
Persifonne
The Scope Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2015.11.18 05:20:35 -
[204] - Quote
Pryce Caesar wrote:Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:Personally I do not care for the profitability, the logistics involved or the probability of losing ships in a PvE activity. I would not mind it being a net loss in Isk, in time, in ships. Although I am aware that that is probably a minority standpoint.
What I do care about is that I can't seem to find other people willing to actually try to fight the current Drifter incursions. I have asked around a lot. Freely translated the most common answer given comes down to this: 'We haven't figured out yet how to run them without losses'.
That saddens me a bit. Well, that is basically the formula a lot of people like to go for when it comes to playing games: they want to find the methodology that will incur the most profit with the least amount of risk first before they make an attempt. In this case, the Drifters appear to be far tougher than anything to be seen of the Sansha Incursions. They are among the most advanced ships in the game. Even if a man can take on a flight of three Drifter Cruisers and one Battleship, the Incursions are about facing all of that in groups big enough to make fielding a fleet necessary. I believe that, in that scenario, the risk would out-weigh the benefits in the eyes of normal Incursion goers, since I would think that the Drifters are advanced enough that the normal Sansha tactics would not work against them. Granted, I say this when I am not making any attempts on the Incursions myself, because I'm located quite far away from them and I feel I would lack the skill level necessary to take them head-on, even in a fleet. It is sad that people are not diving at the opportunity to take on the Drifters, especially after all the work CCP put into fixing the issues that initially plagued them. At the rate things are going, I would not be surprised if people only started fighting back when the Drifters are spread out enough to become a major problem to the livelihoods of players in those regions and those around. They are an Incursion designed to spread their influence the longer they are left alone, after all. It almost makes me wonder what would happen if the Incursions spread into the Throne Worlds themselves. After all, the Incursions ARE about the Throne Worlds' defense. World of Warcraft HEROIC 25man and 10man end raid content was legit. In BC, Wrath of Linch King, Heroic raids were legit and took weeks and weeks of practice and weeks and weeks of good end game content.
EVES LOL-PVE IS. THE. WORST. IN. TH . BIZ. CURRENTLY
Seriously eve pve is just horrible.
1 SECOND SERVER TICKS.. I REST MY CASE. 1 HZ SERVER TICKS LOL. WIRST IN INDUSTRY PVE CONTENT BRB
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Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
120
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Posted - 2015.11.18 05:36:06 -
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Just stop it. Seriously. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1991
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Posted - 2015.11.18 09:53:20 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote: Tell you what, you go put together a group that can run Drifter incursions in a way that is profitable at all. Then work out what your income per hour is counting all the time spent reshipping, the fact that the pilots who die get no payout because pods don't count and drifters pod as well, and all the logistical time shipping all those replacement ships to the drifter incursions. Then come back with your 'slightly more dangerous' rubbish again. Currently drifter incursions are at best lvl 1 or 2 mission level income.
Don't worry, I have faith that the Incursion community will figure something out once they are pulled off the teat of the Sansha faucet. It is exciting new group content that is tied deeply into the lore of the Eve universe after all!
I wonder if they will announce something during the o7 show tomorrow? Nah, the news will probably come via a Scope video over the next few weeks or, on the outside, a few months. I mean, the writing is on the wall and CCP Affinity practically said they are going away at some point at Eve Vegas.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
1845
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Posted - 2015.11.18 10:04:30 -
[207] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote: Tell you what, you go put together a group that can run Drifter incursions in a way that is profitable at all. Then work out what your income per hour is counting all the time spent reshipping, the fact that the pilots who die get no payout because pods don't count and drifters pod as well, and all the logistical time shipping all those replacement ships to the drifter incursions. Then come back with your 'slightly more dangerous' rubbish again. Currently drifter incursions are at best lvl 1 or 2 mission level income.
Don't worry, I have faith that the Incursion community will figure something out once they are pulled off the teat of the Sansha faucet. It is exciting new group content that is tied deeply into the lore of the Eve universe after all! I wonder if they will announce something during the o7 show tomorrow? Nah, the news will probably come via a Scope video over the next few weeks or, on the outside, a few months. I mean, the writing is on the wall and CCP Affinity practically said they are going away at some point at Eve Vegas.
death to blitzing and afk pve, but i guess this is what the pve community was crying for now they will have to actually work for the isk instead of this min/max bull
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2712
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Posted - 2015.11.18 10:16:20 -
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Lan Wang wrote: death to blitzing and afk pve, but i guess this is what the pve community was crying for now they will have to actually work for the isk instead of this min/max bull
You can also go and do drifter incursions and show the incursion community how to do them then. Rather than sitting in your cheap seats and throwing peanuts at people who you think should be going out and losing lots of ships on your behalf.
Basically, put up or shut up. Until you have done better you have no leg to stand on accusing others with regards to lazyness or milking. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
1845
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Posted - 2015.11.18 10:31:05 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Lan Wang wrote: death to blitzing and afk pve, but i guess this is what the pve community was crying for now they will have to actually work for the isk instead of this min/max bull
You can also go and do drifter incursions and show the incursion community how to do them then. Rather than sitting in your cheap seats and throwing peanuts at people who you think should be going out and losing lots of ships on your behalf. Basically, put up or shut up. Until you have done better you have no leg to stand on accusing others with regards to lazyness or milking.
well you see your comment is kinda meh, the pve'ers are constantly complaining about lack of any new and challenging content in highsec then when you get given it you are not happy because the challenging content may result in you losing a ship.
From the link pedro posted it seems ccp are taking the moans of the pve'ers and actually giving you something more engaging and challenging so what is the issue? because you may lose a ship and a pod or the payout isnt as much as you want?
I dont intend to do drifter incursions because frankly incursions in general are the most boring, lazy and overpaid activity in eve, the lazyness becomes an issue to me when the highsec pve'ers continuously try and remove content from low and null because they feel they shouldnt have to travel to get more challenging content, so when you start trying to remove my content to benefit yourself it becomes my issue and gives me ground to argue :)
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2712
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Posted - 2015.11.18 10:47:50 -
[210] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:
well you see your comment is kinda meh, the pve'ers are constantly complaining about lack of any new and challenging content in highsec then when you get given it you are not happy because the challenging content may result in you losing a ship.
From the link pedro posted it seems ccp are taking the moans of the pve'ers and actually giving you something more engaging and challenging so what is the issue? because you may lose a ship and a pod or the payout isnt as much as you want?
I dont intend to do drifter incursions because frankly incursions in general are the most boring, lazy and overpaid activity in eve, the lazyness becomes an issue to me when the highsec pve'ers continuously try and remove content from low and null because they feel they shouldnt have to travel to get more challenging content, so when you start trying to remove my content to benefit yourself it becomes my issue and gives me ground to argue :)
So you want to remove 'my' content (Content I actually haven't run in a while because the communities became toxic but meh), because you have a view on it that doesn't actually reflect reality. And then accuse people of being lazy because they aren't mindlessly feeding ships into the meat grinder that are drifter incursions.
All the while sitting in your ivory tower of 'But I'm not interested in that sort of content, but you should be because it's engaging and challenging & doesn't payout well, even though the reason I claim I'm not interested is because it's boring and lazy & it's too easy money
Reread what you just wrote, seriously, you claim drifter incursions are lazy, overpaid and boring but that people aren't doing them because they are challenging and low payout..... That is exactly why I'm challenging you to actually put up and run your own fleets here. Because you are talking about something you don't have the slightest clue about, and applying blatant double standards. |
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