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DaReaper
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Posted - 2015.07.23 23:38:19 -
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Or.. how i fight off bitter vet.
First allow me to introduce myself. I am DaReaper (hi!) 11.5 year eve player, leader of two failed alliances, former hs, ls (anti pirate) null sec and curently wh player. Primarily an industrialist and i find 'fun' what others find borning. And one of the worst pvpers in eve (seriously look me up, i'm horrible)
With that said, i feel there is way too much random doom and gloom, so i figured that i could do a semi positive post. IMO eve is in a 'repair and establish' phase. This phases started in 2012 and is still on going. Its a dull phase, but one that has been negelected for far too long. Yes pcu is low, but i don;t really see this as an issue, and here is why. IMO by the end of 2016, eve if the vaporware that will not be named comes out, eve will start to have a rebound. The reaosn is, they will be ready, by the end of 2016 for brand new stuff. (maybe) So lets discuss things that currently make me happy about eve:
1) Fozzie sov. It is far too early to tell if fozzie sov will fail or not, players are trolling cause they an, fights for space are not happening cause either troll no shows or owners don;t really give a **** about there space.. or a combination of both. Eventually some of these people will lose space and people who want to own space will. This shoudl start causing fights. Also, i keep seeing people still using old tactics and claiming fozzie sov is slow and dull.. well no ****. If you are treating it like a pos bash yea it will be slow.
So eventually the thinking will shift and we will have a better picture. In addition, ccp is suppose to be able to easily make tweeks, and with the current shorter release shoudl be able to quickly. This should be able to improve fozzie sov.. but as this is ccp.. we will see.
2) Jump Fatigue: There is an old saying "Be careful what you wish for, or you might get it" Thats what happend when you whine about force projection. Why i think its a good thing is three fold: a) caps have not been revamped yet, so we have no idea if it will make the life of a cap pilot much better long term. b) force projection was bad and c) sov ohase 3 (some say already came i disagree) could make jump fatnge a non issue..
3) Sov phase 3. Phase 3 is suppose to be the big null sec buff. I disagree that anom buff we just got was that. And i feel a bigger one is on the way. But we will see.
4) The death of the pos. This has me STUPID excited. Citadels and new structures i am thrilled about. And am itching for them. The day the patch notes say 'the control towers are gone' is the day i unload every firework i have in jita. I can;t WAIT
5) Drifter storyline: Peopled whined about no content.. and for 8 months, since Carolines star, we have had a trickle of content. "But thats not what i ment" oh well. The story line is interesting, inspiring, and captivating. I am looking and following lore for the first tim in my 11 years here. And there is a TON of potential to all the new stuff that can come from the drifter storyline. It hase me excaited.
And finally... 6) CCP Seagull. yea... how can you NOT be happy about eve's future when you hear her talk? I love our gigglely EP, and am happy that eve is in her hands.
There is more, but i typed enough. Thanks for reading if you got this far
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Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2015.07.23 23:54:48 -
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Might just be because you're a nice guy who isn't all that irate and has an eye on what's going on more broadly.
Don't take it personally if other people don't. Your comments and attitude aren't invisible btw.
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DaReaper
Net 7
2390
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Posted - 2015.07.24 01:06:28 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Might just be because you're a nice guy who isn't all that irate and has an eye on what's going on more broadly.
Don't take it personally if other people don't. Your comments and attitude aren't invisible btw.
Oh i know, i just tend to go with 'if it was fun, then meh'
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
11454
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Posted - 2015.07.24 01:26:58 -
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Soooo..... EVE is dyingGäó?
Here let me take my GD colored glasses off...
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DaReaper
Net 7
2393
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Posted - 2015.07.24 01:28:32 -
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Webvan wrote:Soooo..... EVE is dyingGäó? Here let me take my GD colored glasses off...
face palm. no its not! lol
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
353
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Posted - 2015.07.24 02:55:38 -
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Thanks for the optimistic post in an era of doom and gloom. I hope you're right and I agree that CCP is doing a lot of things right. I'm just not sure that there is someone at Eve that can come up with Big ideas that will really move the game forward. It feels more like housekeeping going on.
I've only been around for a couple of years but I wonder if there is anyone at CCP who can come up with ideas like Wormholes or Faction Warfare. Ideas that will bring people back to the game.
There is so much emphasis on NPE lately. Probably a good thing, but I think a bit of a red herring. Eve experienced phenomenal periods of growth in the past under the old NPE, so I'm not sure it's the holy grail to get Eve growing again. I think that will require aspects of game play that entice a new player to embrace the learning curve for the payoff of what they will be able to do someday and get bittervets and content generators to log into the game again.
Maybe player created stargates, and what it enables, will be that catalyst.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
442
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Posted - 2015.07.24 03:42:00 -
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Nice post. I agree in a lot of ways its too early to tell if itll work or not. Yeah it feels like a lot of upkeep atm but it makes sense to shore up the old stuff, get it out of the way to pave the way for new stuff, especially to keep it all balanced. I just think that this upkeep shouldve happened a few years ago but I also realize that the negative noise made by the masses was too much at the time to do so properly. And the PCU is reflective of that upkeep as well.
I too think that Eve is far from dead or dying, and the only way to know if itll be a hit or a fail is to know more of what CCP has planned. Which is something they shouldnt reveal as that is a double edged sword. Theres really so much potential here for changes or advancements. I know it comes down to money and development of actual gameplay that works, not just pie in the sky dreams.
So Im like you on that front. Tentatively optimistic of the possibilities.
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
336
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Posted - 2015.07.24 04:16:04 -
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I do not agree with the OP |
DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2015.07.24 04:26:47 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I do not agree with the OP
Of course you don't
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
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Posted - 2015.07.24 05:22:35 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I do not agree with the OP
I don't agree that you don't agree. |
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.07.24 05:37:59 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I do not agree with the OP Maybe he prefers blondes? I find brunette's agreeable, but only really readheads in a pinch. But maybe he'll warm up to you, in time, don't lose heart.
#Thread topic changed to: Singles Mingles
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2015.07.24 05:38:55 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Thanks for the optimistic post in an era of doom and gloom. I hope you're right and I agree that CCP is doing a lot of things right. I'm just not sure that there is someone at Eve that can come up with Big ideas that will really move the game forward. It feels more like housekeeping going on.
I've only been around for a couple of years but I wonder if there is anyone at CCP who can come up with ideas like Wormholes or Faction Warfare. Ideas that will bring people back to the game.
There is so much emphasis on NPE lately. Probably a good thing, but I think a bit of a red herring. Eve experienced phenomenal periods of growth in the past under the old NPE, so I'm not sure it's the holy grail to get Eve growing again. I think that will require aspects of game play that entice a new player to embrace the learning curve for the payoff of what they will be able to do someday and get bittervets and content generators to log into the game again.
Maybe player created stargates, and what it enables, will be that catalyst.
New players? You're kidding right. With CCP constant updating (*cough* NERFING *cough*), they've made the game almost impossible for new players to grasp. There will be very little growth in new players from here on out unless CCP reduce the updates from 7-8 currently, down to 3-4.
Also the rapid updates appear to be causing server instability as many witness earlier this month.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2015.07.24 05:40:24 -
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Webvan wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I do not agree with the OP Maybe he prefers blondes? I find brunette's agreeable, but only really readheads in a pinch. But maybe he'll warm up to you, in time, don't lose heart. #Thread topic changed to: Singles Mingles
LOL
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Major Triscuits
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.07.24 06:02:57 -
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You're not allowed to have a differing opinion.
Now slowly integrate yourself back with the rest of the herd. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
38816
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Posted - 2015.07.24 07:15:29 -
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While I agree with you and am also positive about the future of the game, I am prepared for the possibility that I might one day rage quit.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
952
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Posted - 2015.07.24 08:13:32 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:New players? You're kidding right. With CCP constant updating (*cough* NERFING *cough*), they've made the game almost impossible for new players to grasp. There will be very little growth in new players from here on out unless CCP reduce the updates from 7-8 currently, down to 3-4.
Also the rapid updates appear to be causing server instability as many witness earlier this month. What are the problems with current update cycle for newbies and what are those nerfs that affect them, in your opinion?
Please, be careful, my keyboard is not waterproof.
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Thorlund Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.24 10:25:33 -
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So in summary, you fight off bitter vet by hoping things will be better one day?
Hope is the worst of all evils, because it prolongs the torments of man - Gandalf. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
983
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Posted - 2015.07.24 11:46:15 -
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DaReaper wrote:Or.. how i fight off bitter vet.
First allow me to introduce myself. I am DaReaper (hi!) 11.5 year eve player, leader of two failed alliances, former hs, ls (anti pirate) null sec and curently wh player. Primarily an industrialist and i find 'fun' what others find borning. And one of the worst pvpers in eve (seriously look me up, i'm horrible)
With that said, i feel there is way too much random doom and gloom, so i figured that i could do a semi positive post. IMO eve is in a 'repair and establish' phase. This phases started in 2012 and is still on going. Its a dull phase, but one that has been negelected for far too long. Yes pcu is low, but i don;t really see this as an issue, and here is why. IMO by the end of 2016, eve if the vaporware that will not be named comes out, eve will start to have a rebound. The reaosn is, they will be ready, by the end of 2016 for brand new stuff. (maybe) So lets discuss things that currently make me happy about eve:
1) Fozzie sov. It is far too early to tell if fozzie sov will fail or not, players are trolling cause they an, fights for space are not happening cause either troll no shows or owners don;t really give a **** about there space.. or a combination of both. Eventually some of these people will lose space and people who want to own space will. This shoudl start causing fights. Also, i keep seeing people still using old tactics and claiming fozzie sov is slow and dull.. well no ****. If you are treating it like a pos bash yea it will be slow.
So eventually the thinking will shift and we will have a better picture. In addition, ccp is suppose to be able to easily make tweeks, and with the current shorter release shoudl be able to quickly. This should be able to improve fozzie sov.. but as this is ccp.. we will see.
2) Jump Fatigue: There is an old saying "Be careful what you wish for, or you might get it" Thats what happend when you whine about force projection. Why i think its a good thing is three fold: a) caps have not been revamped yet, so we have no idea if it will make the life of a cap pilot much better long term. b) force projection was bad and c) sov ohase 3 (some say already came i disagree) could make jump fatnge a non issue..
3) Sov phase 3. Phase 3 is suppose to be the big null sec buff. I disagree that anom buff we just got was that. And i feel a bigger one is on the way. But we will see.
4) The death of the pos. This has me STUPID excited. Citadels and new structures i am thrilled about. And am itching for them. The day the patch notes say 'the control towers are gone' is the day i unload every firework i have in jita. I can;t WAIT
5) Drifter storyline: Peopled whined about no content.. and for 8 months, since Carolines star, we have had a trickle of content. "But thats not what i ment" oh well. The story line is interesting, inspiring, and captivating. I am looking and following lore for the first tim in my 11 years here. And there is a TON of potential to all the new stuff that can come from the drifter storyline. It hase me excaited.
And finally... 6) CCP Seagull. yea... how can you NOT be happy about eve's future when you hear her talk? I love our gigglely EP, and am happy that eve is in her hands.
There is more, but i typed enough. Thanks for reading if you got this far
Very good post, its a good thing to remind people of this even though the forums are full of the HTFU people trying to get people to quit by quoting out of context CCP Falcon ad nausea...
Ella's Snack bar. With all the data supplied on API/CREST the game should be renamed to Jabber Online, look something to kill, ping everyone!!!!
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
952
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Posted - 2015.07.24 12:27:13 -
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TLDR
Ignorance is bliss...
... is why are you still optimistic about EVE.
Not today spaghetti.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2069
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Posted - 2015.07.24 12:30:03 -
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DaReaper wrote:... 3) Sov phase 3. Phase 3 is suppose to be the big null sec buff. I disagree that anom buff we just got was that. And i feel a bigger one is on the way. But we will see. ... Phase 3 isn't actually happening. Nothing like Phase 1 & 2. There will be a few "tweaks" and they are adding more Null Sec anomolies. That is it. After that they move onto structures and I think that is being handled by another team.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
690
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Posted - 2015.07.24 13:31:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:DaReaper wrote:... 3) Sov phase 3. Phase 3 is suppose to be the big null sec buff. I disagree that anom buff we just got was that. And i feel a bigger one is on the way. But we will see. ... Phase 3 isn't actually happening. Nothing like Phase 1 & 2. There will be a few "tweaks" and they are adding more Null Sec anomolies. That is it. After that they move onto structures and I think that is being handled by another team.
Phase 3 cant work without making travel significantly more difficult or significantly nerfing empire. If CCP just buffs null by increasing anoms, sigs, amount of valuable ore, etc. . ., market prices will decrease across the board because of the increased supply of items. CCP could nerf empire, but that is where most of its players live. CCP has been singularly unsuccessfully in convincing empire folk to abandon empire for null and it is therefore probably not willing to hit empire hard enough for fear of angering the majority of its players. OFC CCP could also make travel substantially more difficult - that way folk would not be competing against an entire universe but only specific regions where they would live and sell their goods - which is what CCP originally wanted to do with jump fat, until it caved and allowed jf's and other logi ships to not be as severally effected by jump fat. Of course the problem with travel nerfs is that it significantly hurts pvp. Travel back and forth from null is a major combat driver, especially in lowsec. If travel is nerfed because folk dont need or want to leave their little island, opportunities for pvp are going to decrease significantly.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11888
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Posted - 2015.07.24 14:01:37 -
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I'm not optimistic about EVE (or anything). I realistic about it.
The reality is the EVE is fine and will be fine for a long time unless CCP muffs it up either in some attempt to "broaden" it's appeal to people who wouldn't like it no matter what you do (like Incarna) or tries too hard to "monetize" it again (monoclegate). The other reality is that even if EVE isn'T fine, at the end of the day it's just a video game (no matter how epic and time consuming it is) and if it 'goes away' well it was a damn fine ride while it lasted.
In other words, we've seen that they only thing that can really kill EVE is CCP itself, it's survived every other thing/new game that came about. I still "lol to myself" when I Google the words "Black Prophecy is going to kill EVE"
While I'm not 'optimistic' I prefer the optimistic types (as long as they are grounded in reality) way more than i do the "EVE is Dying" pessimistic types. They fall into 2 categorizes.
1. The folks who like EVE and are experiencing anxiety at the idea that something they 'invested so much into' might end. These are the "Doomsday dudes", not unlike the homeless guy holding the sign on the corner about impending doom.
2. The folks who don't really like EVE and think "it could be so much better if". EVE doesn't give them something they fundamentally need, but rather than stop paying for a product that doesn't do it for them on some level, they lobby intensely for changes to the game , to make it into something they think they would like. They are like vultures, waiting for any sign of weakness in the game (like lower average PCU counts) to be able to squawk "SEE! now you must make the changes i suggest in order to save the game, it's mere coincidence that the necessary changes are things I've wanted for my own personal enjoyment for years!!" They are in no way different from real life politicians who wait for any seemingly bad event to happen then use that event as a wedge to get elected lol.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2073
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Posted - 2015.07.24 14:21:10 -
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Fixed. (That should probably be at the end of most of your posts).
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11889
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Posted - 2015.07.24 14:29:48 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Fixed. (That should probably be at the end of most of your posts).
Ah look, it's one of the guys I was thinking of in example #2
A picture of Jenshae Chiroptera and a good friend of his that explains the above post. And Probably his run for the CSM as well. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2075
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Posted - 2015.07.24 14:47:10 -
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Not a bad attempt - for you.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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DaReaper
Net 7
2414
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Posted - 2015.07.24 15:44:15 -
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Thorlund Amatin wrote:So in summary, you fight off bitter vet by hoping things will be better one day?
Hope is the worst of all evils, because it prolongs the torments of man - Gandalf.
Naw, i see enough things going in a direction that i like and think will lead to something good that i have no issues following the path ccp is blazing. Kinda like, your current company you work for was burning you out, then you get a new boss who tells you about the new company direction. you see some of the changes the company is making and go 'well this could be good' so it gives you a burst to stay longer. Thats pretty much it.
Not like i'd ever quit eve anyway, but it helps if i WANT to follow the path as opposed to dragging my feet.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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DaReaper
Net 7
2414
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Posted - 2015.07.24 15:45:11 -
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Webvan wrote:Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:I do not agree with the OP Maybe he prefers blondes? I find brunette's agreeable, but only really readheads in a pinch. But maybe he'll warm up to you, in time, don't lose heart. #Thread topic changed to: Singles Mingles
Dark haired women are my choice. Others can has the blondes. Its why i call eve the sexy, yet a bit crazy, red head in a sea of blondes.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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DaReaper
Net 7
2414
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Posted - 2015.07.24 15:46:34 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:DaReaper wrote:... 3) Sov phase 3. Phase 3 is suppose to be the big null sec buff. I disagree that anom buff we just got was that. And i feel a bigger one is on the way. But we will see. ... Phase 3 isn't actually happening. Nothing like Phase 1 & 2. There will be a few "tweaks" and they are adding more Null Sec anomolies. That is it. After that they move onto structures and I think that is being handled by another team.
I'll disagree with you. But i am more then willing to take a you could be right and we will see stance.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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DaReaper
Net 7
2414
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Posted - 2015.07.24 15:50:50 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:TLDR
Ignorance is bliss...
... is why are you still optimistic about EVE.
Except one can not be ignorant if one has the same information that others have. Its a matter of perspective and looking at information with experience and other factors. Ignorance would be if you knew the **** was gonna hit the fan, like ccp is announcing in a month they are going under. Then yes i would be ignorance. I'm well aware that changes may not right the ship, and that changes could be horrible (cap redo could be a disaster) I just happen to be on the side of, this stuff is needed and i'l waiting for the big picture to be more complete before i doom and gloom about a single spot of color i dislike.
11 years has told me ccp is HORRIBLE at tweeking and reiterating on stuff. The past few years have told me that ccp can change. So i'm giving them a chance to change. and as i have stated since i am here till the lights go out anyway.. i cna either be grumpy about it, or chose to see what happens. Don't get me wrong, some changes i disagree with, like he neocom changes, i still get confused by the icons, and the placement of the undock button took my about a year to stop clicking the clock to undock (damn muscle memory) but, i see a lot of good coming, so i'm deciding to watch that and see what will happen.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2081
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Posted - 2015.07.24 16:00:21 -
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DaReaper wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:DaReaper wrote:... 3) Sov phase 3. Phase 3 is suppose to be the big null sec buff. I disagree that anom buff we just got was that. And i feel a bigger one is on the way. But we will see. ... Phase 3 isn't actually happening. Nothing like Phase 1 & 2. There will be a few "tweaks" and they are adding more Null Sec anomolies. That is it. After that they move onto structures and I think that is being handled by another team. I'll disagree with you. But i am more then willing to take a you could be right and we will see stance. Ask your local CSM member. Notice the lack of Dev blogs about what is coming?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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