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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1370
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Posted - 2015.07.27 00:02:44 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:An unidentified Caldari fleet....
only two words come to mind.
Tiberious Heth. Because we don't have enough F**king issues to worry about....
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
606
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Posted - 2015.07.27 00:54:47 -
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Quattras Peione wrote:I'm quite interested in the details of this Carthum engineering team that was killed in the attack. A design/development project manager, a logi specialist, a propulsion specialist, a particle physicist, and a test pilot. What project were they working on? While the Guardian is a Carthum vessel, I have my doubts that this is the original design/development team. And why were they bringing components to make an Amarrian logi cruiser from Caldari space?
Here, let me give you a tin-foil hat... no no, go ahead, put it on. You'll want it.
The key may be in the ship they were traveling in. It's been identified as a Basilisk-class Logistics Cruiser, but let me ask you: when does a Basilisk operate alone?
It doesn't. Neither do the majority of Osprey configurations in service anywhere, other than the specialized Navy variant.
And why do you bring a test pilot for a shipment of parts for very well-understood and well-developed Logistics Cruisers?
So, if you want a conspiracy theory... ask yourself this:
Is there some variant of the Osprey hull that does something that no variant of the Augoror hull does right now?
Give you a hint: Starts with an 'E'. Ends with a 'tana'.
And who was behind its development?
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: only two words come to mind.
Ding. Tibus Heth.
Sure, that may all be wild speculation and blank conjecture - cuz it is - but let it roll around the tinfoil for a while, see if it doesn't fit at least as well as 'Guristas travel deep into Amarr space to hit a Guardian Parts Convoy without even a thought of making off with the parts shipment'. |
Orob Ninebands
True Prophets of Bob Prouentibus Bob
35
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Posted - 2015.07.27 04:52:52 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Just my two cents here: given the ships and firepower present on the field it would be fairly easy to render footage of the attack completely unrecoverable. If it persisted in a state that was both retrievable and appropriate to be issued to the press, it's fairly likely the either the attackers weren't terribly concerned about the possibility of being identified or they didn't have time to conduct a thorough sweep of the wreckage.
A question I'd be interested in the answer to would be the state of the Guardian components the convoy was transporting - were they stolen, or simply destroyed? Either option would have serious implications as to the intentions of the fleet, and would possibly aid in their identification.
There is no reason to assume that the footage would have to be stored on some medium in one of the ships. Thousands upon thousands of years ago, before New Eden, mankind possessed such technology... It isn't a new concept by a long shot. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
618
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Posted - 2015.07.27 14:23:03 -
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Oh, and Dr. Scherezad, I realize the Caldari Navy likely have their own personnel available to Lai Dai (as they've already demonstrated). That said, do feel free to let your corporate bigwigs know that if they want one of the most experienced Logistics pilots in the cluster to give their new toy a shakedown - without, of course, confirming or denying the existence of any such thing - I promise I won't steal it, damage it, or arrange for my alliance to do either.
Heck, if Lai Dai and Carthum really want its capabilities and performance tested, without any risk to their peronnel, and are willing to provide two of the completed hulls, I can even promise a full and thorough record and report of the ship's performance under actual combat conditions, and after a pre-determined period of time, the return of any hulls that survive the testing process. It will be far more thorough than the State or Empire are likely to subject it to.
Not that it exists, of course. |
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2245
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Posted - 2015.07.27 15:12:24 -
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Arrendis wrote:Oh, and Dr. Scherezad, I realize the Caldari Navy likely have their own personnel available to Lai Dai (as they've already demonstrated). That said, do feel free to let your corporate bigwigs know that if they want one of the most experienced Logistics pilots in the cluster to give their new toy a shakedown - without, of course, confirming or denying the existence of any such thing - I promise I won't steal it, damage it, or arrange for my alliance to do either.
Heck, if Lai Dai and Carthum really want its capabilities and performance tested, without any risk to their peronnel, and are willing to provide two of the completed hulls, I can even promise a full and thorough record and report of the ship's performance under actual combat conditions, and after a pre-determined period of time, the return of any hulls that survive the testing process. It will be far more thorough than the State or Empire are likely to subject it to.
Not that it exists, of course.
Thank you! We have excellent lowsec and nullsec testing facilities at our disposal - I'm not employed anywhere near that sort of thing, mind you, but we do have these facilities. We also have some excellent test pilots within our own organization. LDPS has some top-tier pilots. We prefer to do these sorts of things internally, it reduces the chances of corporate espionage. But we appreciate your offer. |
Ichinumi Tsukaya
State Protectorate Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2015.07.27 15:14:21 -
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Mr Mokk,
I wish I could return the kind sentiment. Jamyl Sarum may be the most powerful head of the Empire in many centuries, yet is losing control where it matters most. No rational thought can suggest a known, present force in the cluster can directly face the Funay+˝rei, or popularly, the 'Drifters', at this time and displaying raw fear on the same day of this tragedy that befell Lai Dai.
Sheer luck may have served the Empress well on a few occasions in the past, but I would not like to wager she is truly that lucky when a considered action would have been to detain and interrogate the captain, the vessel and the crew of that Gnosis, as opposed to flaunt her own weakness. Have you considered if the Khanid will continue to prosper by following such a leader? |
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2247
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Posted - 2015.07.27 15:36:04 -
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Ichinumi Tsukaya wrote:I can only hope Lai Dai will consider if trade with the Amarr is worth being dragged down with Jamyl Sarum in a premature conflict against the Funay+˝rei.
We are bound by pledge and contract to trade with the Golden Throne. None shall break our compact, be they drifter, be they drone. Until our pledge, fulfilled, is found upon the Carthum shore, No threat shall bar our labour, be it subterfuge or war.
Lai Dai makes good its promises. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
251
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Posted - 2015.07.27 15:44:43 -
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I'm sure a contract re-negotiation isn't out of the question, once profit margins start becoming a little... thin. Lai Dai and the State in general tend to keep to their word, which is a reason I respect them. They don't tend to forget escape clauses for when self-preservation becomes an issue, which is another reason I respect them.
Should the Throne Worlds become less than stable, the Megacorps won't go down with them, that much is for certain.
Although, I wouldn't be surprised if the State found a way to profit quite heavily should that happen. They're damn near Vherokior in their capacity to turn political situations into their trade favour. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
622
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Posted - 2015.07.27 16:02:22 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:They're damn near Vherokior in their capacity to turn political situations into their trade favour.
And the little fish has a knack for catchy poetry, to boot! |
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2250
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Posted - 2015.07.27 16:22:34 -
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Arrendis wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:They're damn near Vherokior in their capacity to turn political situations into their trade favour. And the little fish has a knack for catchy poetry, to boot! A little fish can swim through many nets and passes sharks, to find what wealth it gets.
I'd rather be a fish than a shark.
And, Ms Del'thul - there's no harm in profit, is there? I honestly wonder whether the word means the same to us as it does to you. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
624
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Posted - 2015.07.27 16:26:40 -
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Scherezad wrote:Arrendis wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:They're damn near Vherokior in their capacity to turn political situations into their trade favour. And the little fish has a knack for catchy poetry, to boot! A little fish can swim through many nets and passes sharks, to find what wealth it gets. I'd rather be a fish than a shark. And, Ms Del'thul - there's no harm in profit, is there? I honestly wonder whether the word means the same to us as it does to you.
Ach! I'm sorry, Doc... it slipped. It really is meant affectionately, though. You're like, one of my top two favorite Lai Dai employees! I mean, you'd be a sure thing for #1, but I actually used to live out of the station that convey departed from in Inoue and there was a flight engineer name of Markus Kann who...
... scuze me, I gotta check on someone. |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
254
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Posted - 2015.07.27 16:31:07 -
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Ah yes... how does it go again...
Moitte?
No, it does not mean the same to me or mine, but I can see the appeal in the notion. |
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2252
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Posted - 2015.07.27 17:05:22 -
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It's okay Ms Arrendis. I'm happy to let bygones be bygones! I think that's how that saying is used, right? I've had worse nicknames than little fish, in any case. Scherezad is fine, if it's what you prefer.
Ms. Del'thul, to us it means loyalty to ones' family, and winnowing the good from the bad! Being profitable isn't just about making money, far from it. It's about doing well for the people you care about. I imagine the same concepts have very different words for you and yours, but may you have many profits, all the same. |
Silvox Lunae
EVE University Ivy League
24
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Posted - 2015.07.27 17:58:15 -
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Arrendis wrote:Quattras Peione wrote:I'm quite interested in the details of this Carthum engineering team that was killed in the attack. A design/development project manager, a logi specialist, a propulsion specialist, a particle physicist, and a test pilot. What project were they working on? While the Guardian is a Carthum vessel, I have my doubts that this is the original design/development team. And why were they bringing components to make an Amarrian logi cruiser from Caldari space?
Here, let me give you a tin-foil hat... no no, go ahead, put it on. You'll want it. The key may be in the ship they were traveling in. It's been identified as a Basilisk-class Logistics Cruiser, but let me ask you: when does a Basilisk operate alone? It doesn't. Neither do the majority of Osprey configurations in service anywhere, other than the specialized Navy variant. And why do you bring a test pilot for a shipment of parts for very well-understood and well-developed Logistics Cruisers? So, if you want a conspiracy theory... ask yourself this: Is there some variant of the Osprey hull that does something that no variant of the Augoror hull does right now? Give you a hint: Starts with an 'E'. Ends with a 'tana'. And who was behind its development? Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: only two words come to mind.
Ding. Tibus Heth.Sure, that may all be wild speculation and blank conjecture - cuz it is - but let it roll around the tinfoil for a while, see if it doesn't fit at least as well as 'Guristas travel deep into Amarr space to hit a Guardian Parts Convoy without even a thought of making off with the parts shipment'.
For the sake of the State and all those involved, I hope these allegations will be proven false. |
Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp Nox Draconum
62
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:07:33 -
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Is it past time to continue the Heth Hunt? |
Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
256
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Posted - 2015.07.27 19:24:32 -
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Scherezad wrote:Ms. Del'thul, to us it means loyalty to ones' family, and winnowing the good from the bad! Being profitable isn't just about making money, far from it. It's about doing well for the people you care about. I imagine the same concepts have very different words for you and yours, but may you have many profits, all the same.
As I said elsewhere, there is very little that separates us as people. Most clans and tribes have their own details, their own words and definitions for it, my own clan using the word kvod. It doesn't translate well but carry similar meaning to your profit while also attaching duty and obligation.
I suspect we understand each other well. It is merely a pity that circumstances have put our interests at odds with each others allies.
Currently, I find myself rather busy with the warzone and the administration of Deck23, but as time doesn't seem to be as much of a diminishing resource as before the pod I suspect I'll find myself exploring the finer details of Caldari culture and society as time permits. It'll be interesting to see if the superficial similarities hold true. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
626
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Posted - 2015.07.27 20:29:50 -
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Well, Scherezad... it's official: you're my uncontested favorite living Lai Dai employee.
I think I'm gonna set aside some time for a clone jump home to ask some pointed questions of my local purveyors of no-cost military footwear.
Do traffic control systems log the transponder IDs of every ship taking a gate in Amarr space these days? |
Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
353
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Posted - 2015.07.27 21:00:36 -
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Ichinumi Tsukaya wrote:Mr Mokk,
I wish I could return the kind sentiment. Jamyl Sarum may be the most powerful head of the Empire in many centuries, yet is losing control where it matters most. No rational thought can suggest a known, present force in the cluster can directly face the Funay+˝rei, or popularly, the 'Drifters', at this time and displaying raw fear on the same day of this tragedy that befell Lai Dai.
Sheer luck may have served the Empress well on a few occasions in the past, but I would not like to wager she is going to remain so lucky, especially as a wise and considered action would have been to detain and interrogate the captain, the vessel and the crew of that Gnosis, as opposed to flaunt her own weakness.
Have you considered if the Khanid will continue to prosper by supporting such a leader? I can only hope Lai Dai will consider if trade with the Amarr is worth being dragged down with Jamyl Sarum in a premature conflict against the Funay+˝rei.
Zenryaku,
It is all a matter of perspective. As a witness to the events and taking into account that she is the Empress, I feel her actions were carefully measured.
But let us not let that event overshadow the tragic events we are discussing here.
Khanid prospers under the rule of God and King. I have faith in my King's wisdom for it brought us together with the State, as well as to a path where we have a place within the Empire.
The Funay+˝rei are worrisome on many levels. There can sometimes be a fine line between premature and pre-emptive. We will have to see what the future brings, and be adaptable to what changes to come. But I beleive if there is to be a conflict with the Funay+˝rei, it will be faught by us as a species.
Sousou
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Hevaima Gesakaarin
Black Parable
57
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Posted - 2015.07.29 14:18:40 -
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My condolences to Lai Dai and my respect to the families of the fallen dead whose duty and service grants honour to the living. May God find the martyrs of Carthum Conglomerate worthy to find the peace of shade in Paradise.
I am certain the investigative officers of Lai Dai Protection Services and the Imperial authorities will bring to light what is now in the dark on the matter. |
Stig Elendil
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:31:32 -
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Soldarius wrote:
Next, I'd like to suggest that the entire incident could also have been one mega-corp mounting an attack upon another. In this case, we then need to ask who are Lai Dai's competitors, or who would stand to benefit from the loss of the convoy?
I would also go into this as a good possibility. While reviewing some old news my eyes were caught by one line in a Scope news at 0:13.
This is concerning Propel Dynamics and the events that happened in their station warehouse in Tamo (one) and the subsequent news about them puting a formal case to the House of Records for espionage against another corporation (two).
Of course those have never been confirmed since it happened and we have no clues as how the case is going on, if it has even evolved and eventualy, if nothing was moving in their favor they might have decided to retaliate in their own way.
Here we would have a valid opponent to Lai Dai that could be seeking revenge. I know it has some flows (what would be their benefit except basic vengeance ?) but i think it should be kept in mind as a possibility. |
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Aeon Amadii
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.08.02 13:53:35 -
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Quattras Peione wrote:I'm quite interested in the details of this Carthum engineering team that was killed in the attack. A design/development project manager, a logi specialist, a propulsion specialist, a particle physicist, and a test pilot. What project were they working on? While the Guardian is a Carthum vessel, I have my doubts that this is the original design/development team. And why were they bringing components to make an Amarrian logi cruiser from Caldari space?
The name of that particle physicist keeps nagging at me. I'm sure I've heard the name Seena Feydd somewhere, but GalNet searches have shown nothing.
So, the Drifters engage the Amarr in Safizon, which if I am not mistaken is or is close to where the new Imperial Flagship had it's keelaying ceremony...
... and a Lai Dai convoy accompanied by a Carthum engineering team is attacked, seemingly at random, going to the wrong way from their alledged destination...
I hate to pull the tin-foil out here but I'm curious if the two are connected. Can anyone find evidence that would suggest the Carthum engineering team had anything to do with the new Imperial Flagship? If I'm not mistaken it is using state-of-the-art technology from all corners of the galaxy. It isn't much to assume that this convoy may very well have been trying to subtlely bring over parts...
(This character is the Eve version of Aeon Amadi)
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
715
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Posted - 2015.08.02 16:04:45 -
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Aeon Amadii wrote:I hate to pull the tin-foil out here but I'm curious if the two are connected. Can anyone find evidence that would suggest the Carthum engineering team had anything to do with the new Imperial Flagship? If I'm not mistaken it is using state-of-the-art technology from all corners of the galaxy. It isn't much to assume that this convoy may very well have been trying to subtlely bring over parts...
Not to crumple the tin-foil, but the Drifters aren't known to pose as Caldari/Guristas in order to avoid people knowing what they're doing. |
Aeon Amadii
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.08.02 18:23:17 -
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Arrendis wrote:Aeon Amadii wrote:I hate to pull the tin-foil out here but I'm curious if the two are connected. Can anyone find evidence that would suggest the Carthum engineering team had anything to do with the new Imperial Flagship? If I'm not mistaken it is using state-of-the-art technology from all corners of the galaxy. It isn't much to assume that this convoy may very well have been trying to subtlely bring over parts... Not to crumple the tin-foil, but the Drifters aren't known to pose as Caldari/Guristas in order to avoid people knowing what they're doing.
That goes without saying, but if the Drifters, as technologically advanced as they are, are after something that the Imperial Armada possess in Safizon it could stand to reason that someone else would want it as well. The technology going into that Battleship is likely something that any of the empires - or even capsuleer entities - would covet.
I need not remind anyone of what happened to the last Elder Fleet that tried to play with the last Flagship Jamyl threw at them.
(This character is the Eve version of Aeon Amadi)
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