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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7714
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Posted - 2015.07.26 00:38:10 -
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After spending years in development, the first self contained RNGRI-based cloning system is ready for use in the wider universe. Already in heavy use in Origin, it is hoped that application of the RNGRI systems will be able to save billions of lives in high-risk environments. The system, called Slingshot, is entirely self contained, easy to use and upgrade, and to ensure it receives as wide of a release as possible, we are open sourcing the design for the RNGRI component of the systems. After one year as a proprietary product to recoup development costs, we will be additionally releasing the Goldenrod computing architecture that the system runs on.
One complete Slingshot system contains the following: 1 Riordan-Nilanth Gravitational Resonance Imaging Bed 1 Wetware Server running Goldenrod 2.2, the latest version of the Nilanth adaptive-interpolative scan interpretor. 1 Cloning Tube
With this basic setup, the user should be able to create a software backup of one person every three hours without harming them. The server will at default have the storage space for up to 1000 mind-states, with additional storage capacity easily added using after market data storage. The cloning tube allows one person to be re-lifed every seven days. The set up is designed to be modular and expandable, easily allowing the addition of more scanning beds, cloning tubes, and data storage for all your scaling needs. Its also designed for self sufficiency and ease of use, allowing easy deployment in remote areas by humanitarian organisations.
Price quotes for larger installations with a higher throughput rate are available on request, and we offer a large purchaser discount of 15% and free shipping on all orders over 100 million ISK.
Those interested in expanding on, or further researching into this technology will be able to purchase a developer kit featuring full documentation on all components, though rights-of-reproduction will be withheld until after the one year window has elapsed. After that time blueprints for all systems and software source codes will be made available for free on galnet. The goal is to produce a product as airtight and functional as possible. The goal is to make cloning a realistic option for anyone in the cluster who wants it, regardless of nationality, income bracket, or location. Everything else including profitability of this venture, comes second to that goal. To that end we strive to be as transparent about all systems and processes as possible. Our factories will never be able to produce all the Slingshot systems needed to avert all death across New Eden. It will take many companies and many individuals working together across vastly disparate fields to achieve the full scope of this goal, we can't do it alone and don't want to.
We live in an age of wonder. An age of infinite possibility, the universe is quite literally at our fingertips. We have no excuse to inflict death upon those beneath us when we could prevent it. With the help of capsuleers and businesses everywhere, this could be the generation that ends death for the people of New Eden. We have no excuse for inaction while we are shielded from the spectre of death and those we care about are left to its mercy. With this technology you can rest easily, knowing your crews, your families, and your friends will be protected from death.
We must not become paralysed by inaction, by acceptance of the way things are. Some may say that death is an inevitable part of life, but to that I would ask, Is cancer an inevitable part of life? Are sickness and disease an inevitable part of life? Or are these simply wise sounding platitudes we told ourselves to make our inaction easier to bear? The universe has no preferences, it doesn't care whether we die at 17 of a bacterial infection or live to 10,000 in luxury and splendour. There is no justice in the laws of Nature, no term for fairness in the equations of motion. The universe is neither evil, nor good, it simply does not care. The stars don't care, or the planets, or the sky. But they don't have to! We care! There is light in the world, and it is us!
Death is our giant, and this is our Slingshot.
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Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
316
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Posted - 2015.07.26 02:05:51 -
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Thank you Miss Riordan for developing a technology that will probably be instantaneously abused by people like Sansha Kuvakei. Thank you for developing an instrument of mass birth with will lead to megadeath.
My apologies if my words seem alarmist or paranoid, but where you want to bring hope, I see a greater potential for doom.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
562
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Posted - 2015.07.26 02:24:05 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:My apologies if my words seem alarmist or paranoid, but where you want to bring hope, I see a greater potential for doom.
Been true of every technology since picking up a rock, I'm afraid. Let's just hope we can keep folks like ol' Sansha Claws in check. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7718
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Posted - 2015.07.26 02:41:58 -
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It should be noted that Sansha's Nation already possesses equivelant technology. If your goal is to keep technology out of the 'bad guys' hands, then you've already lost. In many cases they already have more advanced technology then you.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5375
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Posted - 2015.07.26 03:12:33 -
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He's right, Saede - this is a terrible technology open to horrific abuse.
I'll be in touch.
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Ameriya
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2015.07.26 05:17:25 -
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I would like to buy a dev kit, please! |
Matar Ronin
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Posted - 2015.07.29 17:39:51 -
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Pilot Saede you are to be commended for getting this needed technology to the mass marketing stage. Drake Ashigaru Alliance will of course purchase several units and a developers kit. We also offer our production capabilities to you at no cost to help support this noble endeavor of yours. I am confident the demand for these units will be great and we will approach assisting you meet that demand on a non-profit donation of labor and facilities basis.
The expense and damage to our bottom line will be offset by the knowledge and comfort that families will be able to remain whole despite the ravages of accident and disease. We plan to offer this cloning service free of charge to our employees and their dependents. Initial surveys indicate it is a very strong inducement to have employees consider spending their entire careers in our member corps.
On behalf of all who leave home to work and explore deep in space and while doing so worry about the well being of the family they leave sometimes many light years behind, thank you.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7734
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Posted - 2015.07.30 00:28:41 -
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Pilots Ronin and Ameriya, if you send me a mail I'll be happy to sort out your purchases. I'll be personally handling all of the initial transactions for this promotional period.
I should note regarding the costs, while Origin is not large enough to constitute a significant sample, we've found that so far the program has actually operated in the black. The integrated nature of the machinery is designed to reduce the cost of cloning down to that of the biomass, electricity, and data storage. I would say the biggest limiter tends to end up being the long clone print time. Its very expensive to keep a clone ready and waiting for someone to die, and this is further exacerbated by storage space. This method simply stores the person as data and only creates a clone if the original individual has died. To to the the point, the cost of cloning is easily offset by the savings generated by not having to hire novice crews and train them.
I'm thinking of putting together a pledge document that an individual or organisation may sign stating, essentially, they managed to run their operations to ensure a 0% casualty rate. I achieve this by living somewhere with universal cloning, and simply tell people they can't work on my ships without a backup. However, compulsively backing up all crewmembers? Replacing crews with advanced drone systems? Bioships? Basically its saying "I pledge to not get anyone killed under my watch in the course of my capsuleering" think it might be worthwhile?
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Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
362
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Posted - 2015.07.30 00:37:23 -
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Ms. Riordan,
I urge you to please rethink this. Can you imagine a galaxy that has 5000 Matar Ronins running around in it?
How about a million Nauplius'?
And those are the low-end dangers.
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7734
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Posted - 2015.07.30 00:49:39 -
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That falls under CONCORD's well known mass cloning laws. You realize the Church of the Crimson Saviour is already mass cloning all their crews from, (I think) Valerie Valate's genetic template? Its already happening. Mass cloning, existing as a multiple, those are an entirely different sort of grey area that is generated by cloning technology. But we already have cloning technology and we already have laws to deal with it. Even Origin has laws governing mass cloning. What we don't have, is a way for Joe Caldari working in a factory to have a backup clone made when a girder crushes his skull.
This device doesn't make mass cloning any easier then existing technologies, its simply designed to expand access to the average person on the street. You, me, Nauplius, Matar Ronin, everyone you say it would be bad if they had this technology? They're capsuleers, they already have it. We have already opened the can of worms that is cloning, because we have power and can leverage our status in order to build expensive things like clone vat facilities.
Its purpose is simply to make a backup of a the mindstate of a person without destroying their body in the process. Thats all. If you have a problem with cloning technology on principle, I'd have to first make some 'people in glass houses' statement, then suggest you start a thread on the evils of cloning.
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Alesius Lerance
Varner Industries Shattered Vection
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Posted - 2015.07.30 22:46:14 -
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I see the point Saede is making, this tech does not make Mass cloning more viable than it already was. I shall be submitting a letter to one of the CEP's many secretaries reccomending that this technology be tested by the State in the hopes of improving our already peerless economic capability.
Family, Corporation, and State, in that order. What else is there worth fighting for?
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
904
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Posted - 2015.07.31 13:18:27 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:You realize the Church of the Crimson Saviour is already mass cloning all their crews from, (I think) Valerie Valate's genetic template?
Well, that's where you're wrong, matey.
While genetically, they're all the same, more or less, the thing is, with the minds, is that they're not a copy of any previous existing individual.
I could go on.
But I won't.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2260
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Posted - 2015.07.31 15:24:35 -
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I'd like to purchase one! I'll send you a mail :) |
Cydonia Meridian
House Singularity Sixth Empire
24
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Posted - 2015.07.31 18:50:23 -
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I was really hoping this was a giant slingshot that launched by body across a continent, then cloned me upon *splat* without my pod.
On to a more serious discussion:
Saede Riordan wrote:Everything else including profitability of this venture, comes second to that goal. I highly doubt you will be able to achieve your goals without making a profit. Charity is not scalable, and an un-sustainable business will fold quickly before achieving change. Is your sole plan to get this to the masses just to open-source it? 100M ISK is chump change for us capsuleers, but there's no way that Joe Caldari will be able to buy into this on his girder factory salary.
How often would you expect the Gpop to go in for backup? Once a week? Is that practical? Once a year? How will a regular family adapt to a father that suddenly doesn't remember the last year of growing kids and family vacations and struggles? We Capsuleers live a life that makes cloning an essential thing for us. and we undergo rigorous mental conditioning; the Gpop does not. Not to say there aren't many that can take it, but cloning is a LARGE part of your life for the people that do it, and I'm unconvinced it's worth it on a practical level for the baseliners.
Finally, and most importantly, I see this technology as a huge boon to the Capsule-Crewers. Instead of selling/gambling their lifes for profit, they can upload, and in the likely event that their Capsuleer's ship is eventually destroyed, they've lost only their memories of the intervening trips. This would alleviate a large moral-debate that has been going on, and allow an out to those that struggle with their moral code but are unwilling to give up their life as a capsuleer.
Although I do not have moral qualms with a Capsule-Crew of baseliners, their deaths do sadden me. As such, I would like to purchase 4 immediately, 1 for each of my Jump-clone ports-of-call, and offer this service to my Capsule-Crew. Does the shipping discount apply if they are to be delivered to multiple locations? I'll send you a mail to iron out the details, but I will need a confirmation of my purchase. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7744
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Posted - 2015.08.01 15:54:45 -
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Quote: I highly doubt you will be able to achieve your goals without making a profit. Charity is not scalable, and an un-sustainable business will fold quickly before achieving change. Is your sole plan to get this to the masses just to open-source it? 100M ISK is chump change for us capsuleers, but there's no way that Joe Caldari will be able to buy into this on his girder factory salary.
The model we use in Origin is that cloning is a service provided to citizens. The cost of the equipment is paid for by the reduction in training costs for those killed in the line of work. Outside of Origin, the masses aren't really the targeted demographic for purchasing the cloning technology. 1 million isk per slingshot system is still outside the range of the average citizen, however it is well within the range of insurance companies and individual businesses with employees in high-risk areas. Joe Caldari wouldn't need to buy the system, either his company could, or he could purchase insurance that would back him up and clone him if needed. This method could be used to make the system affordable to the general population while keeping companies that make them available operating in the black.
Quote: How often would you expect the Gpop to go in for backup? Once a week? Is that practical? Once a year? How will a regular family adapt to a father that suddenly doesn't remember the last year of growing kids and family vacations and struggles? We Capsuleers live a life that makes cloning an essential thing for us. and we undergo rigorous mental conditioning; the Gpop does not. Not to say there aren't many that can take it, but cloning is a LARGE part of your life for the people that do it, and I'm unconvinced it's worth it on a practical level for the baseliners.
Given the choice between developing amnesia about the last year, and dying and leaving your family forever without a parent or their income, I suspect most will choose amnesia. That said, the backup process only requires 3 hours, so it could be done fairly often, on a weekly or monthly basis. If the company providing the service charges by the mindstate update, it should prove to be profitable. Those who can afford to get more regular backups will get them, while those who can only afford the backup once a year will still have a way to avoid death should the unthinkable happen. Those in more risky fields will of course likely want more frequent backups, while those in safer office jobs might only need to be backed up once a year.
Quote: Finally, and most importantly, I see this technology as a huge boon to the Capsule-Crewers. Instead of selling/gambling their lifes for profit, they can upload, and in the likely event that their Capsuleer's ship is eventually destroyed, they've lost only their memories of the intervening trips. This would alleviate a large moral-debate that has been going on, and allow an out to those that struggle with their moral code but are unwilling to give up their life as a capsuleer.
I fully expect that capsuleers will be some of the most prolific early adopters of the technology, which is why the system is being advertised on the IGS. Given the choice between losing your crew every time you lose a ship and having to start out again with a novice crew, and having your entire crew backed up, allowing you to jump back into the fight with a new ship with the same skilled crew...well its a fairly easy sell I would think.
I'll look forward to your mail and we can iron out the purchasing details.
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7749
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Posted - 2015.08.02 20:45:48 -
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Cydonia Meridian has requested I place her receipt of delivery here.
4 Standard slingshot systems have been shipped, one each to the following locations: Amarr VIII (Oris) Emperor Family Academy Sheroo X - Moon 3 - Sisters of Eve Bureau Stacmon VII - Moon 1 - Impro Factory Tash-Murkon Prime II - Moon 1 - Kaalakiota Corporation Factory
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7759
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Posted - 2015.08.17 00:21:07 -
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Just bumping to make sure this gets sufficient exposure.
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Cydonia Meridian
House Singularity Sixth Empire
37
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Posted - 2015.08.19 01:10:42 -
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I am very thankful to have mine (and my crewmembers are too!) |
Matar Ronin
737
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Posted - 2015.08.19 03:11:46 -
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The response from employees of our Alliance member corps has been amazing . I can not convey how effective this is in demonstrating that the corp/ alliance values all of it's members and their families.
Tragedy can strike but now we can strike back.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7795
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Posted - 2015.08.29 01:00:05 -
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Just it was unclear, the basic system costs 1 million isk, and the developer model costs 5 million.
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Goldfinch
House Rkard
351
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Posted - 2015.08.30 15:58:25 -
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Ms. Riordan,
Our recent discussion about your pursuit of technology to circumvent Death led us to do some thinking. Perhaps we were being too negative, and spending too much effort talking down your enthusiasm for invention of ethical solutions to the problem that is Death.
Amarr beliefs are complex on the topic. Our Husband, to give you an example, has orthodox religiously-motivated strictures against cloning so we anticipate having to survive him and cope with his loss one day. Though we love him dearly, we are cognizant and respectful of his beliefs and would never try to use technology to "cheat" Death. However, he sleeps in a state of Cryopreservation 50 weeks out of 52 in a year. Is Cryogenic Sleep considered cheating? If we were to find blood-based chemical ways to extend his life, without wholesale replacement of the cells of his person, would that be cheating?
We lay awake at night pondering these questions, and often sleep escapes our troubled mind.
In the interest of scientific enquiry, we would like to order a slingshot cloning system for delivery to:
Estate Eastwall Rkard Holdership Kador Prime VI Amarr Empire
or, alternately, if it would be more convenient for you:
Jade Rkard Kador Family Bureau 91 Intercession Plaza Kador Prime VI, Moon 1 Amarr Empire
Payment will be sent in a few hours. Please post our receipt of delivery here, if you do not mind.
\J/
veiled and bound
my origin story (on R109)
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7795
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Posted - 2015.08.30 18:06:38 -
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Your shipment has been processed and sent.
Shipping Manifest ===================== Items: 1 Slingshot Cloning System
Transport Service: Statiline Courier Express Destination: Kador Prime VI, Rkard Holdership, Estate Eastwall ETA: 1 Hour
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Rauour Engil
Rabies Inc.
11
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Posted - 2015.08.30 21:44:22 -
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Hi Saede,
We would be very interested in purchasing a slingshot system to trial with some volunteer baseliner employees. Could you confirm pricing for us please? Delivery address as follows:
Rabies, Inc. Docking Bay L3-IND28 Gulfonodi X Moon 13 Republic Fleet Logistics Support
The courier canGÇÖt miss the Freighter tbh but if they have any problems, or, if it becomes necessary for us to pick-up from yourselves, just let me know.
Kind regards,
Rauour |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1195
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Posted - 2015.08.31 00:22:38 -
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Clarification to earlier points as I am a bit late to this party. Nation does already have similar technology. I cannot comment to the specifics of their bandwidth or volume capabilities. But surely one can see the rate at which Nation fields ships and understand quite clearly the level of technology and industry they possess in this field.
That said, I am not Nation. And put me down for two developer's kits and one of the normal ones. |
Kairelle
Raven.Syndicate Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
31
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Posted - 2015.08.31 00:51:36 -
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Put me down for 2 dev kits and 2 regulars.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1195
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Posted - 2015.08.31 04:55:52 -
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Show off. |
Kairelle
Raven.Syndicate Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
31
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Posted - 2015.08.31 05:59:14 -
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I like having backups. Besides....gotta get that discount and free shipping.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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