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Hirl
Shivan Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.27 01:15:57 -
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Dear Council of Stellar Management, Though I voted for some of you, but not all of you, or atleast I don't remember who I voted for anymore, I would like to bring this up to your attention so you may work with the developers on this.
Cyber bullying is happening here in this community every day, and there has been a few posts that talked about it here and there. But no action has been made. Maybe nobody knows what exactly Cyberbullying is, so here is a definition:
Quote:Cyberbullying is bullying that takes place using electronic technology. Electronic technology includes devices and equipment such as cell phones, computers, and tablets as well as communication tools including social media sites, text messages, chat, and websites. Source: http://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying/what-is-it/index.html
What are the effects of bullying?
Quote:Bullying can affect everyoneGÇöthose who are bullied, those who bully, and those who witness bullying. Bullying is linked to many negative outcomes including impacts on mental health, substance use, and suicide. Source: http://www.stopbullying.gov/at-risk/effects/index.html
One of the biggest examples of Cyber bullying is the advertisement of it through social media and spreading it in the community through normal means (bios, chat rooms, forums, and etc...). An example of that is CODE.
Another is suicide ganks, as it specifically targets the weak (mostly unarmed), it is intentional, with the whole purpose of nothing but to bully the weaker player for their own personal enjoyment. And what comes after the gank is typically taunts and trolling. And there is no consequences for the bully, only the victim is penalized (losing a frigate by CONCORD isn't a huge consequence compare to the losses of the victim).
I do not expect players to play "nice" as that would be unrealistic as that would be like asking people to not troll this post. However, the CSM and Developers has a strong influence in this game, and with appropriate action could levitate much of the bullying going on around here and make the game enjoyable for everyone. Therefore I ask the CSM to look into this matter and hopefully come up with a solution, preferably something better than Mittani's statements back in 2012. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3632
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Posted - 2015.07.27 01:38:30 -
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Please go away.
Actually, better yet, post your lossmail and we can probably tell you how to not get ganked next time. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13823
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Posted - 2015.07.27 02:01:52 -
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I respond thusly.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
245
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Posted - 2015.07.27 03:29:43 -
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Purchase a permit from your nearest agent and you won't be bullied. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1272
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Posted - 2015.07.27 05:36:00 -
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I respectfully suggest the OP might be playing the wrong game. Eve Online is a competitive PvP sandbox universe based on the constant destruction of player-built assets. Suicide ganking has been confirmed by CCP as an intended mechanic many times and it facilitates the destruction cycle. The game has explicitly been designed so your stuff is never 100% safe even in highsec.
As for other player behaviour, that is not a CSM matter. If you think someone is "cyberbullying" you, you should take that to your local law enforcement. Also, the EULA is crystal clear that real-life harassment and personal insults are not allowed, so you should make a petition to CCP if you experience that and they take that very seriously.
Regardless of your feelings on the matter, this view that ganking is bullying ( http://gankingisbullying.blogspot.com ) is plain wrong and devalues these terms and the experiences of real victims of cyberbullying. If you do not like Eve or the other players in it, I suggest you find a passtime more compatible with your sensibilities. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
8394
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Posted - 2015.07.27 05:48:39 -
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Counter-argument: You are playing a game set in a dystopian, hyper-capitalist society where almost every mechanic and playstyle is generally designed to "step on the toes" of others and cause conflict, chaos, warfare, and ego driven pissing contests.
Moreover... the lore is filled with prostitution, slavery, murder, mass murder, assassinations, torture, suicide, ransoming, blackmail, back-stabbing, corruption, genetic atrocities, cybernetic atrocities, deliberate man-made environmental catastrophes, poverty, starvation, human sacrifice, necro-resurrections, manic psychosis, sociopathy, and every other shade of grey between.
Seriously though...
CCP has stated that they take such things on a "case-by-case" basis. That "clear line" you are looking for will never be, nor can be, "clear" as any and all interaction between any two people is never "clear cut" from the start.
Some people are too sensitive. Some people are too desensitized. Everyone has a different range of things that will set them off.
And because of those things you can never scrub any interaction down to the point where no one is offended. Someone always will be.
You, Mr. OP, are leaning too far towards the "too sensitive" range. I advise you to harden up a bit lest others start making demands on you offending/insulting/disregarding us and our playstyles.
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16763
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Posted - 2015.07.27 14:45:44 -
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On the street it is assault and robbery
On the pitch it is a brilliant play that wins the game.
If you don't want to be tackled, stay off the football pitch.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Mag's
the united
19909
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Posted - 2015.07.27 15:47:55 -
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You're playing an RPGMMO that is known for it's extremely competitive sandbox nature. Either accept the game for what it is, or stop playing.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Baaldor
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Black Legion.
428
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:05:38 -
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Hirl wrote:Dear Council of Stellar Management, Though I voted for some of you, but not all of you, or atleast I don't remember who I voted for anymore, I would like to bring this up to your attention so you may work with the developers on this. Cyber bullying is happening here in this community every day, and there has been a few posts that talked about it here and there. But no action has been made. Maybe nobody knows what exactly Cyberbullying is, so here is a definition: Quote:Cyberbullying is bullying that takes place using electronic technology. Electronic technology includes devices and equipment such as cell phones, computers, and tablets as well as communication tools including social media sites, text messages, chat, and websites. Source: http://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying/what-is-it/index.htmlWhat are the effects of bullying? Quote:Bullying can affect everyoneGÇöthose who are bullied, those who bully, and those who witness bullying. Bullying is linked to many negative outcomes including impacts on mental health, substance use, and suicide. Source: http://www.stopbullying.gov/at-risk/effects/index.htmlOne of the biggest examples of Cyber bullying is the advertisement of it through social media and spreading it in the community through normal means (bios, chat rooms, forums, and etc...). An example of that is CODE. Another is suicide ganks, as it specifically targets the weak (mostly unarmed), it is intentional, with the whole purpose of nothing but to bully the weaker player for their own personal enjoyment. And what comes after the gank is typically taunts and trolling. And there is no consequences for the bully, only the victim is penalized (losing a frigate by CONCORD isn't a huge consequence compare to the losses of the victim). I do not expect players to play "nice" as that would be unrealistic as that would be like asking people to not troll this post. However, the CSM and Developers has a strong influence in this game, and with appropriate action could levitate much of the bullying going on around here and make the game enjoyable for everyone. Therefore I ask the CSM to look into this matter and hopefully come up with a solution, preferably something better than Mittani's statements back in 2012.
HAHAHAHA, you really did not read the warning on the box did you....
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
5465
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:46:59 -
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Hi!
I'm afraid you're not going to be particularly persuasive with the two examples you've given.
Now, if there was an out of game event aspect to this (inappropriate taunts in channels, evemails, the forum), then you'd be covered by the EULA, could report them to a GM, and have action taken. But someone blowing up your ship is, in no way, cyber bullying.
As Malcanis pointed out, it's entirely within the rules of the game.
Would you complain is someone killed you in a multiplayer first person shooter?
Aside from that:
I'm now thinking this is a troll. What with your corporation description of 'Prepare to die.'
Woo! CSM X!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Lykouleon
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
1615
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Posted - 2015.07.29 00:13:41 -
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Here is a game more geared to your interests.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
2903
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Posted - 2015.07.29 01:25:46 -
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No.
Dealing with assholes is a part of playing on the internet. You are not being bullied unless . . . well, do your research. There ARE lines but code is well aware of them and walk up to but seldom cross.
I take your pawn in chess, was it theft? I trump your ace in euchre, was it nastiness? I beat you three times at checkers, sign of an abusive relationship? My daughter takes you uout in the first round of kumite, should she be locked away for violent behaviours?
no
pvp happens. You are not being bullied. But you are being laughed at by some of the above folks and you ARE giving code exactly what they want to the point that I suspect you may be a code member sad that you lot have been so roundly ignored of late that the mittani.com had to publish an article for people to even know that code was stil ganking along with miniluv.
THAT made me laugh
m
Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯|(pâä)/¯
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
1420
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Posted - 2015.07.29 05:51:35 -
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Calling the exploding of spaceships in a game cyberbullying just to push your agenda for a safer highsec is disgusting and you know it! You should be ashamed! Stuff like this just dilutes the term and makes it even more difficult for the person who is an actual target of cyberbullying in the real world.
This topic should be locked, it is based on a obvious lie to push the OPs agenda.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Iain Cariaba
1729
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Posted - 2015.07.29 16:04:55 -
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OP, the simple fact that you let someone hurt your feelings over a video game demonstrates a lack of sufficient emotional maturity to play an adult video game. Please go back to Hello Kitty Online, Wizardry 101, or whatever other carebear theme park you arrived here from, and let the adults play their game.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Will troll for a t-shirt.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2898
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Posted - 2015.08.01 13:51:14 -
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Mag's wrote:Either accept the game for what it is, or stop playing.
I dunno, man, telling me to make a choice comes pretty close to cyber-bullying me. It's a slippery slope that ends up with me being entirely to blame if I fail-fit my ship, should I decide to keep playing. Hang on, you're one of that personal responsibility rabble, aren't you? CCP, please stop him posting - it's a form of enhanced interrogation when he keeps doing that.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2898
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Posted - 2015.08.01 13:52:42 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:sad that you lot have been so roundly ignored of late that the mittani.com had to publish an article for people to even know that code was stil ganking along with miniluv.
Whilst I agreed with the bulk of your post, this is just silly and I would have thought you could do better.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Im Barassi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.08.01 21:10:14 -
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OP I suggest reading all of CCP_Falcon's posts in the linked thread.
Ganking in hi sec is an absolutely intended and allowed part of the game. It is not bullying.
Posting screenshots on a public web page, of in game mail and private chat including in game identities, with or without the intent of belittling or antagonising might walk closer to the line. However as long as it stays in character it won't be seen by CCP as bullying or RL griefing. |
Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
2908
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Posted - 2015.08.02 04:08:42 -
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admiral root wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:sad that you lot have been so roundly ignored of late that the mittani.com had to publish an article for people to even know that code was stil ganking along with miniluv. Whilst I agreed with the bulk of your post, this is just silly and I would have thought you could do better.
I been tired, of late . . . I will work harder
m
Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯|(pâä)/¯
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Anduin Spartan
Quam Singulari Triumvirate.
1
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Posted - 2015.08.17 18:14:22 -
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This is Internet Spaceships. You're gonna get bullied, called names in locals and blown up on reddit if your loss was expensive. That's the way it is and it will never change. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6516
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Posted - 2015.08.19 23:48:09 -
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OP's posts are cyberbullying the entire EVE community. Ban OP.
This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
406
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Posted - 2015.08.21 03:59:44 -
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little kid visit his dad, hey dad may i go outside ? sure, but just be carefull son, there are strangers on the street and i'm not always arround. |
Valkin Mordirc
1415
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:40:20 -
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I always hated these kind of people that say we have to stop bullying.
Honestly you never going to stop bullying from happening.
It's by far, more effective to teach somebody to stand up for themselves. Then it is to put a temporary stop to one bully. Because if you stop some from bullying a 'victim'. You may stop that one bully. But down the road your not going to be there to stop the "******* Boss" or the "Prick of a Co-Worker".
If you teach them to stand up to a bully. They can handle their own **** down the road. When your not there to do it for them.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Ben Fenix
Net Neutrality
17
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Posted - 2015.08.27 17:12:07 -
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First LOL.
This is hilarious but valid. Eve online is technically illegal in many USA states because of new anti cyber bully laws.
LOL again.
Capital Ships Matter !
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Max Fubarticus
The Scope Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2015.08.30 17:10:34 -
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Ben Fenix wrote:First LOL.
This is hilarious but valid. Eve online is technically illegal in many USA states because of new anti cyber bully laws.
LOL again.
And they can have my Eve, when they pry my keyboard from my cold, dead hands
Quote: sad that you lot have been so roundly ignored of late that the mittani.com had to publish an article for people to even know that code was stil ganking along with miniluv.
Not that hard to ignore insignificance. It just comes natural. No really! |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
3252
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Posted - 2015.09.01 08:53:23 -
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Max Fubarticus wrote:Not that hard to ignore insignificance. It just comes natural. No really!
Said the NPC.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Mudekii
Kaishin.
0
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Posted - 2015.09.02 07:35:10 -
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He is correct it is considered cyber bullying and the fact that Code is loosely based on a fanatical religious cult is another good reason they should be dealt with, but again you all are taking shots at him even the CSM who are supposed to be held to a higher standard are trolling him when this is not only a serious legal issue but also one that the CSM should be looking at seriously not condoning it. |
Mudekii
Kaishin.
0
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Posted - 2015.09.02 07:36:46 -
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Ben Fenix wrote:First LOL.
This is hilarious but valid. Eve online is technically illegal in many USA states because of new anti cyber bully laws.
LOL again.
yea funny how in the EULA it does state that you are not allowed to do anything that is against the EULA or any governments laws but yet is still allowed to happen |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1526
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Posted - 2015.09.02 12:00:06 -
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Mudekii wrote:He is correct it is considered cyber bullying and the fact that Code is loosely based on a fanatical religious cult is another good reason they should be dealt with, but again you all are taking shots at him even the CSM who are supposed to be held to a higher standard are trolling him when this is not only a serious legal issue but also one that the CSM should be looking at seriously not condoning it. Of course it is not cyber bullying by any legal definition.
Go talk to any lawyer or police officer and ask them if you can be "cyber bullied" in an anonymous video game they voluntarily play. You'll be lucky of you are not laughed out of the office. Eve Online is not illegal anywhere (except China I guess hence the Serenity server) despite what these armchair legal experts want to claim.
You are an adult. If you do not like your online experience in Eve Online, you are always free to click the 'Close Application' button and never be bothered again.
This is unlike the real victims of bullying who cannot escape their tormentors, and are directly targeted as real-world people, not made-up space gods. Do not demean the suffering of these real-world victims because you don't like losing imaginary space pixels in a virtual universe.
If you think someone is not obeying the terms of service, bring it to the attention of CCP and they will deal with it. Otherwise, lay off the victimization and attempts to metagame your in-game opponents away. Running a space cult is perfectly legit in Eve as is running a space extortion racket. If you don't like that, exercise your free will and find another game that suits your tastes better.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14375
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Posted - 2015.09.03 13:47:14 -
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Mudekii wrote:He is correct it is considered cyber bullying and the fact that Code is loosely based on a fanatical religious cult is another good reason they should be dealt with, but again you all are taking shots at him even the CSM who are supposed to be held to a higher standard are trolling him when this is not only a serious legal issue but also one that the CSM should be looking at seriously not condoning it.
Rofl.
Thanks, I had a bad day at work and I needed the laugh.
Wait, were you serious?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Valkin Mordirc
1476
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Posted - 2015.09.16 05:26:06 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Mudekii wrote:He is correct it is considered cyber bullying and the fact that Code is loosely based on a fanatical religious cult is another good reason they should be dealt with, but again you all are taking shots at him even the CSM who are supposed to be held to a higher standard are trolling him when this is not only a serious legal issue but also one that the CSM should be looking at seriously not condoning it. Rofl. Thanks, I had a bad day at work and I needed the laugh. Wait, were you serious?
Oi no wait.
If you could be considered a religion.
TAX BREAKS BRO.
Oh right the topic. I've already said my two cents but still I couldn't help it
#DeleteTheWeak
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