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Lea Mala
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:02:08 -
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ok so 30 day 1.8 mil SP and im here to ask to a question,can I do lvl 4 missions ? and if yes what to buy a Rattle Snake or a Vindicator? and if u decide to waste ur time for me then may I ask for Vindicator fit also?thank u |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:11:02 -
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Can you? Possibly Should you? No
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Lea Mala
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:13:26 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Can you? Possibly Should you? No il need to edit,wait |
Perihelion Olenard
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:20:05 -
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You won't be able to use any battleship effectively with that low of skillpoints. I have nearly double that much in armor skills alone. Gallente battleship V by itself is 2 million skillpoints, just to put things into perspective. |
Lea Mala
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:33:36 -
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it takes me only 5 days to train for the vindi or rattle snake,I dont need lvl 5 in everything tyo get started with lvl 4 missions do I? |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:34:07 -
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level 5 skills is not a good way to measure perspective.
However what has been said is still correct, 1.8mil sp will mean you can barely fly a battleship at even level 3 with t1 tank, guns and supports.
Which means boom boom very quickly |
Perihelion Olenard
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:37:22 -
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Navigation, capacitor, and gunnery/drone skills are important as well. |
Lea Mala
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:37:23 -
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I just want to know how to start my skill tranning |
Lea Mala
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:40:08 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:level 5 skills is not a good way to measure perspective.
However what has been said is still correct, 1.8mil sp will mean you can barely fly a battleship at even level 3 with t1 tank, guns and supports.
Which means boom boom very quickly Damage Control II Signal Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Large Micro Jump Drive Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Nova Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Nova Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Nova Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Nova Cruise Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Warrior II x5 Bouncer II x5 Garde II x5 Warden II x5
this is one of the fits I was recomended to use for the rattlesnake |
Techsupport 101
OPERATION BLACKLIST BLACKLISTED OPERATIONS
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:51:15 -
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Get a passive tanked drake. Its cheap, not that skill intensive and works well enough for a young pilot like yourself.
If you want a place to mission with others and get help join my corp. We are recruiting at the moment and specialize in helping out new players learn this complex game.
Hit me up in game. |
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Chiang LapShek
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:51:49 -
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I second the passive tanked Drake idea. |
Lea Mala
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:56:31 -
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Techsupport 101 wrote:Get a passive tanked drake. Its cheap, not that skill intensive and works well enough for a young pilot like yourself.
If you want a place to mission with others and get help join my corp. We are recruiting at the moment and specialize in helping out new players learn this complex game.
Hit me up in game. thanks u very much but all if ur are war dect I cant afford to lose my Noctis,workin as a salvager until I get my skillz ready for lvl 4 mission |
Perihelion Olenard
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Posted - 2015.07.27 19:27:43 -
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The drake would be a better place to start with instead of a pirate battleship. I used it myself for quite some time on my first character after they were released. |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
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Posted - 2015.07.27 19:32:14 -
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How are your standings? You should know that you need to be at 5.0 or the level 4 agents wont even talk to you. if you did the tutorial missions you should have access to level 2 combat missions. You should go do those in a crusier/battlercruser:
1) to build your standings 2) to gain actual mission running experience. make your mistakes while its cheap! 3) do it in the crusier/battlecrusier thats closset to what you want to fly. So ratllesnake? use a drake or vexor. If rail vindi? use a Moa or a Thorax depending if you plan to shield or armor tank. Blaster vindi in their face melting them with pure damage? get a vigilant.
heres 2 links if you don't already have them
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Vigilant http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=HomePage
The easiest way to tell what style you prefer, stand off missiles? let the drones kill stuff while you watch? long range sniping? brawling at point blank range? well easiest way is to go try it. You can try every style in the lev missions with low skills and find out what you like.
Will gank for food
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Do Little
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
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Posted - 2015.07.27 21:19:04 -
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If you open the information sheet for any ship you are interested in you will find a mastery tab next to the requirements tab. To fly that ship properly you should have the certificates for mastery level 3. If you try to run level 4 missions with less you will need to warp out and repair and mistakes will cost you your ship.
Get comfortable - really comfortable - with level 3 missions first. Level 4 missions aren't very profitable if you are at high risk of losing your ship.
If you are interested in the Rattlesnake, I recommend that you look at the Gila. It will grow with you - start with level 2 missions and upgrade your fit as your skills advance - my Gila produces over 700 dps with 50K ehp and 350 dps passive regen - it runs level 4 missions comfortably. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.07.27 21:33:50 -
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I know the feeling and temptation but I lost my first battleship so quickly that I had to reconsider that idea. Just fly the Drake, she is very forgiving aand tanks a lot.
If you have trouble killing some NPC battlships, you need to clear the smaller ones first and when there is nothing else left, you need to get closer to that one.
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Apoq Surrat
Amarritus Patriotus
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Posted - 2015.07.27 22:40:52 -
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As far as simply training the right skills, decide what battleship you want, and look at its MASTERY skill list.
I recommend before you start level 4 missions, that you have Mastery 4 for the ship you are flying.
Apple MacPro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 32gig ecc ram, SSD, 4x HD, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition.
Running OS X Yosemite and Windows 8.1 Pro.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.27 22:56:28 -
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Just a month old and you're trying to fly a Vindi......... Forget It!
The rats in Lev 4's would just laugh at you while killing your 800mill Vindi within the second or third wave of a mission like Blockade.
The absolute best ship for a new pilot to train for is the Gila. Can do all level 4's with just the medium drones alone and would only take you about 3 months to train. If you need a skill list queue on what to train for then holla back. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.28 00:23:34 -
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Until you get all gunnery, armor / shield and engineering skills at 4-5, I recommend you flying a regular t1 battleship: Apocalypse, Megathron, Tempest, or Raven.
The faction ships and Marauders will get you nowhere without very high support skills. |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.28 00:49:47 -
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I'd suggest you look for a newbie friendly nullsec corp and make the short train into a Vexor Navy Issue.
Karmafleet, Pandemic Horde or EvE University, amongst others, would all be able to give you a huge helping hand.
Lea Mala wrote: *snip* what to buy a Rattle Snake or a Vindicator? *snip* buy whichever you think will make the better killmail. You will lose that expensive toy in very short order without the basic core skills to make it work.
Seriously, I have a 16m SP alt who is aiming at flying battleships. That alt will have another ~7 months training before undocking in anything other than a ratting VNI or an Epithal.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.28 01:26:47 -
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Level IV missions are among the hardest missions in EVE. You should not expect to be able to do them yet. Just because you can 'SIT' in a ship, does not mean that you will be competent in that ship. Battle ships take several months to skill for. I'm guessing you are still in your first month. Even now, I bet a level III takes you forever to complete. IV's are a huge jump from that, and almost any ship you would try, will die.
You can make a ton of ISK doing level III's in a Drake. It will be safer and give you time to skill up properly. When you do start level IV's, buy a T1 ship, and INSURE that ship. After you lose a couple you'll see why all this advice is given.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.07.28 02:20:09 -
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new players can run lv4s rather easily, with the introduction of the MJD it is probably the easiest it has ever been. However it requires knowledge of missions, and focused training. I'd say start with a domi as that will give you a large portion of skills that will be useful on the Vindi and the Rattler. Get skills for t2 tank, t2 damage mods, faction sentry drones, Micro jump drive, gal bs 4. Select drones and hardeners for the mission, warp into the mission, MJD out to a safe range and snipe things as they fly at you. For many missions you probably won't even need the MJD, but a nice escape button to have.
that said with low dps it might take a long time to finish the missions. And it might be better to run level 3s.
I would only bother with the passive drake, if you like watching paint dry. A mostly lv4 bs will out damage the drake no problem.
Gila not a bad idea, can get into it with not so great skills. the drone bonus is a role bonus so that is a huge advantage right there. plus you only need to be able to launch 2 drones.
I was going to give you a domi fit, but I just remembered that rattlesnake prices are so low you might as well just go right for it. Although the drone optimal and tracking bonus on the domi is pretty strong. The fit you posted earlier is pretty much fine for either one. pretty much just need to change the missiles for rails, and the damage mods. although it might make sense to just drop the gun/missile damage mods and just focus on drone damage amps. maybe swap for an armor tank. either way at 100km most npcs can't hit you and you mostly just want some kin/therm resist for the gurista missiles that can.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.07.28 02:26:58 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Seriously, I have a 16m SP alt who is aiming at flying battleships. That alt will have another ~7 months training before undocking in anything other than a ratting VNI or an Epithal.
dare to be bold pilot. that sounds horribly over cautious
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.28 03:24:58 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Seriously, I have a 16m SP alt who is aiming at flying battleships. That alt will have another ~7 months training before undocking in anything other than a ratting VNI or an Epithal. dare to be bold pilot. that sounds horribly over cautious
It's an alt on a hard Int/Mem remap. Currently used basically as a PI alt (with sweet, sweet Navigation skills). It'll get there, I'm not in any huge rush.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1354
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Posted - 2015.07.28 07:09:35 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Seriously, I have a 16m SP alt who is aiming at flying battleships. That alt will have another ~7 months training before undocking in anything other than a ratting VNI or an Epithal. dare to be bold pilot. that sounds horribly over cautious It's an alt on a hard Int/Mem remap. Currently used basically as a PI alt (with sweet, sweet Navigation skills). It'll get there, I'm not in any huge rush. right that makes sense then When I was at 16m sp remaps didn't exist, max out that sp gain!
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2015.07.28 07:50:48 -
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Apoq Surrat wrote:As far as simply training the right skills, decide what battleship you want, and look at its MASTERY skill list.
I recommend before you start level 4 missions, that you have Mastery 4 for the ship you are flying.
While I agree that 1.8 million SP, even if very carefully focussed, is not going to allow profitable L4 running; (IV) Mastery is crazy! Because several of the skills required for mastery are (to my mind) low priority it is very possible to run L4s conventionally with (II) at most. Armour Compensation skills for example have no effect on active hardeners (any more) and Sensor Compensation skills have negligable effect unless you're running against Guristas...
There are several ships and tactics which make L4s viable for quite low skill investment and with the right path it should be possible to run them very quickly - the bottlenecks are likely to be funds and standings.
If the funds are available (and knowing that the 'snake or the Vindi are the goals) I'd probably head towards the 'snake from the Caldari Missile side first - grinding standings in ships like the Corax, Caracal and Drake to start with. Depending on how much that brings in the choice is then whether to go for the Gila or the Raven/Navy Raven (which I would run with an MJD and Cruise)... The fact that the Alliance Tournament is close is an important consideration in this choice - it is quite likely that there will be a number of Gila-based team set-ups and that the cost of the Gila (and of replacing the Gila) is going to rise significantly if they perform well in the first weekend... |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
769
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Posted - 2015.07.28 08:47:56 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:...The fact that the Alliance Tournament is close is an important consideration in this choice - it is quite likely that there will be a number of Gila-based team set-ups and that the cost of the Gila (and of replacing the Gila) is going to rise significantly if they perform well in the first weekend...
No, sorry burst your bubble Jacob. You may only field two of each boat this year since it would be ludacris to field three good ones. But if would be cool to see the return of some long range guns in the tournament.
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Gh0stBust3rs
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2015.07.28 09:09:10 -
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Honestly Drake to start. Gila if you are still interested then Ride the snake in about 6 months.
You need about 8m SP focused into only what you need for what you are flying to do it well. Downgrade the T2 to meta as needed. This tanks 220 dps omni and does 313 missile and 99 drone dps at max skills. Total fit is 77m at jita prices right now. Will take you about 2 weeks to skill up and sit in. Hell I can give you 100m to get yourself sorted with a drake no questions asked. Dont bother with faction anything keep it simple. You can also swap out your invuls for specific hardeners based on rat types but that is a different lesson.
[Drake, Drake L3 Mission]
Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Missile Guidance Computer II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile [Empty High slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
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Gh0stBust3rs
Wraith Shadow Guards
91
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Posted - 2015.07.28 09:10:14 -
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elitatwo wrote:Jacob Holland wrote:...The fact that the Alliance Tournament is close is an important consideration in this choice - it is quite likely that there will be a number of Gila-based team set-ups and that the cost of the Gila (and of replacing the Gila) is going to rise significantly if they perform well in the first weekend... No, sorry burst your bubble Jacob. You may only field two of each boat this year since it would be ludacris to field three good ones. But if would be cool to see the return of some long range guns in the tournament.
But its drones online now. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:28:46 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:Apoq Surrat wrote:As far as simply training the right skills, decide what battleship you want, and look at its MASTERY skill list.
I recommend before you start level 4 missions, that you have Mastery 4 for the ship you are flying. While I agree that 1.8 million SP, even if very carefully focussed, is not going to allow profitable L4 running; (IV) Mastery is crazy! Because several of the skills required for mastery are (to my mind) low priority it is very possible to run L4s conventionally with (II) at most. Armour Compensation skills for example have no effect on active hardeners (any more) and Sensor Compensation skills have negligable effect unless you're running against Guristas... There are several ships and tactics which make L4s viable for quite low skill investment and with the right path it should be possible to run them very quickly - the bottlenecks are likely to be funds and standings. If the funds are available (and knowing that the 'snake or the Vindi are the goals) I'd probably head towards the 'snake from the Caldari Missile side first - grinding standings in ships like the Corax, Caracal and Drake to start with. Depending on how much that brings in the choice is then whether to go for the Gila or the Raven/Navy Raven (which I would run with an MJD and Cruise)... The fact that the Alliance Tournament is close is an important consideration in this choice - it is quite likely that there will be a number of Gila-based team set-ups and that the cost of the Gila (and of replacing the Gila) is going to rise significantly if they perform well in the first weekend...
Along with their inevitable nerf if they dominate the scene. |
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