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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1269
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Posted - 2015.07.29 12:51:21 -
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No I want it spoonfed to me. Thinking on my own is HARD
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2015.07.29 13:16:52 -
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Mixery82 wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Mixery82 wrote:Frontier Barracks takes 13-15 min in a Solo Paladin.
The performance from passive tanking ships are terrible. How can this be? A passive Rattler can do 400 missile dps and 430 drone dps. Whereas a Paladin has to fit for cap stability to endure the neuting pressure so it's dps drops to 750 Tachyon dps and 90 hammerhead II dps. So how can a Paladin solo C4s and a Rattlesnake cannot when both have roughly the same dps? A well fitted C4 Pala do a way more than 750 DPS. My Pala dose on: Multi 1082 DPS 70+47 km Gamma 992 DPS 87+47 km Xray 902 DPS 104+47 km
Umm, can you send me your fit in game via mail please? |
HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
987
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Posted - 2015.07.29 14:03:23 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Mixery82 wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Mixery82 wrote:Frontier Barracks takes 13-15 min in a Solo Paladin.
The performance from passive tanking ships are terrible. How can this be? A passive Rattler can do 400 missile dps and 430 drone dps. Whereas a Paladin has to fit for cap stability to endure the neuting pressure so it's dps drops to 750 Tachyon dps and 90 hammerhead II dps. So how can a Paladin solo C4s and a Rattlesnake cannot when both have roughly the same dps? A well fitted C4 Pala do a way more than 750 DPS. My Pala dose on: Multi 1082 DPS 70+47 km Gamma 992 DPS 87+47 km Xray 902 DPS 104+47 km Umm, can you send me your fit in game via mail please?
Tachyon Beams Faction Heat Sinks Locus II Rig +5-6% implants
Where is the problem?
With me is not good cherry eating, but you can steal horses with me.
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1271
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Posted - 2015.07.29 14:09:32 -
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HoruSeth wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Mixery82 wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Mixery82 wrote:Frontier Barracks takes 13-15 min in a Solo Paladin.
The performance from passive tanking ships are terrible. How can this be? A passive Rattler can do 400 missile dps and 430 drone dps. Whereas a Paladin has to fit for cap stability to endure the neuting pressure so it's dps drops to 750 Tachyon dps and 90 hammerhead II dps. So how can a Paladin solo C4s and a Rattlesnake cannot when both have roughly the same dps? A well fitted C4 Pala do a way more than 750 DPS. My Pala dose on: Multi 1082 DPS 70+47 km Gamma 992 DPS 87+47 km Xray 902 DPS 104+47 km Umm, can you send me your fit in game via mail please? Tachyon Beams Faction Heat Sinks Locus II Rig +5-6% implants Where is the problem? the problem is that he doesn't want to think obvi
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Mixery82
Friends Of Harassment EON Alliance
20
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Posted - 2015.07.29 15:50:47 -
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Andrew Jester wrote: the problem is that he doesn't want to think obvi
[Paladin, WH C4] Corpus A-Type Large Armor Repairer Dark Blood Heat Sink Dark Blood Heat Sink Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Xray L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Xray L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Xray L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Xray L Bastion Module I Dark Blood Large EMP Smartbomb Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Dark Blood Heavy Nosferatu
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Energy Burst Aerator II
Imps:
Inherent Implants 'Noble' Repair Systems RS-603 Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Controlled Bursts CB-703 Inherent Implants 'Squire' Capacitor Management EM-803 Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Gunnery RF-903 Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Large Energy Turret LE-1003
The Fitting is no big secret but it is right without thinking the best fit will not save your live.
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Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4582
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Posted - 2015.07.29 22:30:23 -
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Why in the seven hells are you putting tachs on a paladin?!
There is no Bob.
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Iyokus Patrouette
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
582
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Posted - 2015.07.29 23:00:55 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Why in the seven hells are you putting tachs on a paladin?!
So he can play Tic Tach Toe. . . . i'll show myself out.
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1277
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Posted - 2015.07.29 23:19:46 -
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Iyokus Patrouette wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Why in the seven hells are you putting tachs on a paladin?! So he can play Tic Tach Toe. . . . i'll show myself out.
can't even
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Daerrol
Krieger Industries Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
209
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Posted - 2015.07.29 23:29:04 -
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Paladins can solo C5s when blingy. Shoudl easily do C4 with T2 fit. No tachyons... just no. |
MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
264
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Posted - 2015.07.29 23:42:21 -
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Daerrol wrote:Paladins can solo C6s when blingy. Should easily do C4 with T2 fit. No tachyons... just no.
I fixed it for you.
Also, I dunno if you've ever actually ran a C4 site, but they spawn REALLY far out sometimes. If you want good isk/hr you'd be well served to use something that can hit at 120km. Scorch is great, but I'm gonna defer to people who actually have run loads of these as for which fitting is better.
Also, just because you CAN T2 fit, doesn't mean that you SHOULD. Isk/hr is relevant like no other in this context.
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4583
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Posted - 2015.07.30 00:07:51 -
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Iyokus Patrouette wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Why in the seven hells are you putting tachs on a paladin?! So he can play Tic Tach Toe. . . . i'll show myself out. 10/10 A+
There is no Bob.
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Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4583
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Posted - 2015.07.30 00:12:01 -
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MooMooDachshundCow wrote: If you want good isk/hr you'd be well served to use something that can hit at 120km. Scorch is great, but I'm gonna defer to people who actually have run loads of these as for which fitting is better. they close pretty damn fast and scorch does the same damage out to 100km. in close a pulse paladin does ~1250dps
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1278
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Posted - 2015.07.30 00:46:40 -
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Just MJD
If you warp in at 0 iirc most things are within scorch range, and the few that aren't, you can just MJD out there to get them
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Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4584
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Posted - 2015.07.30 00:59:33 -
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^that too
There is no Bob.
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Mixery82
Friends Of Harassment EON Alliance
22
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Posted - 2015.07.30 06:18:59 -
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Why using Tachs in C4s? Because most of the Sleepers in C4s stay at long range and you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km!
If tested a lot of fittings with Pulse, Tachs, MJD, Web, Painter and also the other 3 Marauders. The result of all that was if you want max ISK/h in a C4s do Frontier Barracks and do it in a Tach fitted Paladin.
By the way my setup for C5 works with Pulse Lasers.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2015.07.30 09:03:51 -
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Mixery82 wrote:Why using Tachs in C4s? Because most of the Sleepers in C4s stay at long range and you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km!
If tested a lot of fittings with Pulse, Tachs, MJD, Web, Painter and also the other 3 Marauders. The result of all that was if you want max ISK/h in a C4s do Frontier Barracks and do it in a Tach fitted Paladin.
By the way my setup for C5 works with Pulse Lasers.
Your fit doesn't have MJD. Do you carry the MJD in cargo hold with mobile depot? And is Frontier Barracks the only one you can do with a Tach Paladin? What about the other Anomalies? |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2015.07.30 09:12:55 -
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HoruSeth wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Mixery82 wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Mixery82 wrote:Frontier Barracks takes 13-15 min in a Solo Paladin.
The performance from passive tanking ships are terrible. How can this be? A passive Rattler can do 400 missile dps and 430 drone dps. Whereas a Paladin has to fit for cap stability to endure the neuting pressure so it's dps drops to 750 Tachyon dps and 90 hammerhead II dps. So how can a Paladin solo C4s and a Rattlesnake cannot when both have roughly the same dps? A well fitted C4 Pala do a way more than 750 DPS. My Pala dose on: Multi 1082 DPS 70+47 km Gamma 992 DPS 87+47 km Xray 902 DPS 104+47 km Umm, can you send me your fit in game via mail please? Tachyon Beams Faction Heat Sinks Locus II Rig +5-6% implants Where is the problem?
The Problems is that I've seen way to many Paladins on KBs fitted like these. When I bring my Paladin to do C4s, I want maximum tank and cap recharge cause gankers love those neuts.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2015.07.30 09:17:17 -
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Mixery82 wrote:Why using Tachs in C4s? Because most of the Sleepers in C4s stay at long range and you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km!
If tested a lot of fittings with Pulse, Tachs, MJD, Web, Painter and also the other 3 Marauders. The result of all that was if you want max ISK/h in a C4s do Frontier Barracks and do it in a Tach fitted Paladin.
By the way my setup for C5 works with Pulse Lasers.
I was thinking to dual box 2 Pulse Paladins for C5s, but only after I've gotten good enough to solo C4s with just one. I'll talk to you in game Mixery82 about fittings, kay. |
Forum Posts
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2015.07.30 11:49:36 -
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I easily run most c4s in a no effect WH in an active rattle. Much better DPS, passive is aids. I refit for cap stability or dps/paint/omni as needed. C3 sites are arguably more isk/hr, but I think it's a toss up. |
Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4590
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Posted - 2015.07.30 12:42:36 -
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Mixery82 wrote:you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km! This is just flat out incorrect.
There is no Bob.
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HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
987
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Posted - 2015.07.30 14:11:37 -
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attention: weekly Tach vs Pulse discussion incoming.
/me grabs some popcorn.
With me is not good cherry eating, but you can steal horses with me.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2015.07.31 02:03:43 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Mixery82 wrote:you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km! This is just flat out incorrect.
You're saying Pulse is actually better then Tachs in C4s? What proof do you have of this? And how about you post a fit?
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Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4592
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Posted - 2015.07.31 03:20:09 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Mixery82 wrote:you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km! This is just flat out incorrect. You're saying Pulse is actually better then Tachs in C4s? What proof do you have of this? And how about you post a fit? i mean, if it's too hard to replace the tachs with pulses in whatever fitting software you have, not really sure if i can help you.
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Mixery82
Friends Of Harassment EON Alliance
22
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Posted - 2015.07.31 05:57:24 -
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I dont want a Pulse Tach diskussion because I know for me the Tachs work better in C4s.
By the way I use the same Rig layout also for C5s. But to be honest the times when I did the sites solo are long gone and with 2 Palas you can fit much more gank than solo. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2015.07.31 06:34:13 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Mixery82 wrote:you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km! This is just flat out incorrect. You're saying Pulse is actually better then Tachs in C4s? What proof do you have of this? And how about you post a fit? I mean, if it's too hard to replace the tachs with pulses in whatever fitting software you have, not really sure if i can help you. Look, sure, tachs do more damage to stationary targets at 100km. unfortunately, sleepers are not stationary and dont stay at 100km The posted fit is also using a T2 damage rig which means the mid slots are not free for better mods than cap rechargers, meaning it cant fit a MJD and hits cruisers astonishingly badly (about half the applied DPS of pulses on up close cruisers). I don't believe it's acceptable to not be able to have 3 TCs and a target painter in the mids of a paladin for this kind of thing. not T2 CCC rigging it also means you'll need a new one if you ever want to run C5s.
Well I do kinda see your point. I would definitely prefer to use T2 CCC rigs than another damage mod. When I get SiSi up and running, I'll just test both Pulse & Tachs out to see for myself which is more efficient.
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GizzyBoy
Aperture Harmonics K162
167
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Posted - 2015.07.31 10:42:22 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Mixery82 wrote:you have more DPS with Tachs at all ranges over 40 km! This is just flat out incorrect.
Jacks the most pro carebare I ever met, you should listen to him really. the man Knows how to bear.. |
The Inquisitor
El Satanico Pandemonium Dominatus Atrum Mortis
0
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Posted - 2015.08.18 12:33:54 -
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What about Golems? Also i've always heard ye always get nailed with a Maradaur so ye should use passive tengu or Rattlesnake?
So how ye guys avoid the gank part? I'm not a vet WHoler but i'd imagine ye constantly watch d-scan, put eyes on exit wormhole? maybe only use sites with 1 exit?(1 from your own wormhole the other to the static in the same system).
Any carebear who can tip how you avoid being ganked constantly(cause i know you never be TOO safe).? |
Viggo Konstanin
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
45
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Posted - 2015.08.18 14:53:09 -
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The Inquisitor wrote:Any carebear who can tip how you avoid being ganked constantly(cause i know you never be TOO safe).?
Tell your CEO you are in a 2B shltfit BS / Marauder and you are ratting.
CEO immediately logs all his alts and runs overwatch so you don't get ganked, and everyone gets to see how his corp is populated by rent boys and scrubs.
Rake in the isk. |
ChromeStriker
Out of Focus Odin's Call
920
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Posted - 2015.08.19 07:36:58 -
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The Inquisitor wrote:What about Golems? Also i've always heard ye always get nailed with a Maradaur so ye should use passive tengu or Rattlesnake?
So how ye guys avoid the gank part? I'm not a vet WHoler but i'd imagine ye constantly watch d-scan, put eyes on exit wormhole? maybe only use sites with 1 exit?(1 from your own wormhole the other to the static in the same system).
Any carebear who can tip how you avoid being ganked constantly(cause i know you never be TOO safe).?
Safest is to close all your exits and not activate your statics... then watch for new sigs like a hawk...
Cant say ive ever done C4's but if a nag can position to hit sleepers im sure a paladin can with Tach's...
No Worries
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Jack Miton
WeebleCORP
4618
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Posted - 2015.08.19 07:42:33 -
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ChromeStriker wrote:Cant say ive ever done C4's but if a nag can position to hit sleepers im sure a paladin can with Tach's... If you're talking about warping in at the spawn point, C4s don't work like that.
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