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Thorlund Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:55:25 -
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Yesterday a new alt of mine parked in a noob system received a recruitment mail from a corp purporting to be looking for new players, which suggested the 0.0% tax rate as an incentive to join.
Their recruitment spiel set my alarm bells ringing and failed to mention that they were under wardec, so I checked them on Zkillboard:
Destroyed: 8 Lost: 518 Efficiency: 1.5%
A good 50% or so of their losses are noob T1 ships in highsec, and all of the pilots I checked were created in July.
This corp is only 5 months old, and yet it has 8 completed wars and 3 active wars. It looks to me as if this corp has been created entirely as a trap for new players so that wardeccers can get easy kills.
Is CCP ok with this? |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
441
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:58:24 -
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Thorlund Amatin wrote:Yesterday a new alt of mine parked in a noob system received a recruitment mail from a corp purporting to be looking for new players, which suggested the 0.0% tax rate as an incentive to join.
Their recruitment spiel set my alarm bells ringing and failed to mention that they were under wardec, so I checked them on Zkillboard:
Destroyed: 8 Lost: 518 Efficiency: 1.5%
A good 50% or so of their losses are noob T1 ships in highsec, and all of the pilots I checked were created in July.
This corp is only 5 months old, and yet it has 8 completed wars and 3 active wars. It looks to me as if this corp has been created entirely as a trap for new players so that wardeccers can get easy kills.
Is CCP ok with this?
Yes.
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CCP Bartender
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:59:59 -
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As a general rule of thumb, griefing and scams targeted specifically at rookie players are not ok. If you think that's what these guys are doing, you should file a support ticket, and the GM's will investigate. |
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Scope Gallente Federation
1876
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:07:05 -
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It mostly depends on if this corp is corrdinating with the wartargets. If not its pretty much normal high sec gameplay as unfortunate as that is.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1239
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:07:05 -
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looks to me like killboard padding because they cant actually get a decent kill so have to resort to punching puppies
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
258
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:16:07 -
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Lan Wang wrote:looks to me like killboard padding because they cant actually get a decent kill so have to resort to punching puppies Uhm... isn't that the idea behind pretty much every highsec wardec? |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13839
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:40:40 -
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In a newbie system, probably not. Otherwise, seems fine to me.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1248
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:41:56 -
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Jack Hayson wrote:Lan Wang wrote:looks to me like killboard padding because they cant actually get a decent kill so have to resort to punching puppies Uhm... isn't that the idea behind pretty much every highsec wardec?
yeah this is true lol
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:58:04 -
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CCP Bartender wrote:As a general rule of thumb, griefing and scams targeted specifically at rookie players, especially in rookie systems, are not ok. If you think that's what these guys are doing, you should file a support ticket, and the GM's will investigate.
Houm... Are the players warned by default when they attempt to join a wardecced corporation?
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2315
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:00:13 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In a newbie system, probably not. Otherwise, seems fine to me. However it was done to a new character in a newbie system.... So they are preying on newbies in newbie systems. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13843
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:16:03 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:In a newbie system, probably not. Otherwise, seems fine to me. However it was done to a new character in a newbie system.... So they are preying on newbies in newbie systems.
And? He asked a question, "Is CCP okay with this?". I responded. If done in a newbie system, probably not.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Crest Zah Donartal
Bluenose Corporation
653
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:17:41 -
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I would not be surprised if CEO and Directors of the Corporation would be alts from wardeccer corp members. I also would know, how many of those newbies will say bye bye EVE. Be not wondering for poor retention... |
Thorlund Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:32:43 -
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Let's just say... if you check the kills of a certain well-known alliance of Lucifer's soldiers... the picture will become clear.
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Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
103
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:10:01 -
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8875
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:15:18 -
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I'm all for making people cry in this game. It's a part of what make it EVE.
But driving people out before they're even out of their trial...
Not good.
Mr Epeen
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1529
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:43:44 -
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Thorlund Amatin wrote:Yesterday a new alt of mine parked in a noob system received a recruitment mail from a corp purporting to be looking for new players, which suggested the 0.0% tax rate as an incentive to join.
Their recruitment spiel set my alarm bells ringing and failed to mention that they were under wardec, so I checked them on Zkillboard:
Destroyed: 8 Lost: 518 Efficiency: 1.5%
A good 50% or so of their losses are noob T1 ships in highsec, and all of the pilots I checked were created in July.
This corp is only 5 months old, and yet it has 8 completed wars and 3 active wars. It looks to me as if this corp has been created entirely as a trap for new players so that wardeccers can get easy kills.
Is CCP ok with this?
Padding Killboards = reason to do very deceptive things.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11049
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:50:38 -
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Thorlund Amatin wrote:Let's just say... if you check the kills of a certain well-known alliance of Lucifer's soldiers... the picture will become clear.
You realise this isn't their first wardec right? That it's not our responsibility to ensure that their members understand what they're signing up for and in fact should be doing so themselves.
Are they?
Is there any mention anywhere in their current recruitment process that they might be targeted?
Has anyone in the corp said or done anything to enable their newbros to defend themselves?
You realise lords.of.midnight is a teaching corp that is well known for recruiting players they shoot.
Bet you weren't aware we are actually already training one of the lads from that corp.
Also I guarantee you they will have been wardecked by someone reading this thread.
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1529
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Posted - 2015.07.28 15:57:42 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I'm all for making people cry in this game. It's a part of what make it EVE. But driving people out before they're even out of their trial... Not good. Mr Epeen
You are attempting to split an atom here.
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And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
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Baaldor
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Black Legion.
428
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:47:11 -
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Thorlund Amatin wrote:Let's just say... if you check the kills of a certain well-known alliance of Lucifer's soldiers... the picture will become clear.
So...we have some sort of thread started by an alt, about someone we really could care less about, using mechanics that may or may not be legal, and this is running on assumptions? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11057
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:59:23 -
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Baaldor wrote:Thorlund Amatin wrote:Let's just say... if you check the kills of a certain well-known alliance of Lucifer's soldiers... the picture will become clear.
So...we have some sort of thread started by an alt, about someone we really could care less about, using mechanics that may or may not be legal, and this is running on assumptions? Very much so.
We are hardly the first corp to have our way with them, admittedly we are considerably better at hunting them than anyone else has been but that's hardly evidence of anything more than we are good at what we do.
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Thorlund Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:14:21 -
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I think you misunderstand me, although not unreasonably. I hinted at that particular alliance because I couldn't think of another way of directing you to the corp this thread is about without falling foul of the forum rules. It just so happened that particular alliance has had a lot of kills against that corp recently. I wasn't accusing you of anything underhand, although reading back on my post it could have been construed that way, which wasn't my intention. |
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
514
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:19:21 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Thorlund Amatin wrote:Let's just say... if you check the kills of a certain well-known alliance of Lucifer's soldiers... the picture will become clear.
You realise this isn't their first wardec right? That it's not our responsibility to ensure that their members understand what they're signing up for and in fact should be doing so themselves. Are they? Is there any mention anywhere in their current recruitment process that they might be targeted? Has anyone in the corp said or done anything to enable their newbros to defend themselves? You realise lords.of.midnight is a teaching corp that is well known for recruiting players they shoot. Bet you weren't aware we are actually already training one of the lads from that corp. Also I guarantee you they will have been wardecked by someone reading this thread.
The question being asked I believe is: -
1.) Is this corp merely a front for a war-deccing corp to lure 0-day noobs into a war for cheap shitz and giggles?
2.) Is CCP ok with this?
Personally, 6 years in game, nothing would surprise me. Also, personally speaking because I love this game, I'd hit them so hard with the ban hammer the ears of the decedents of their decedents will be ringing.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6849
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:21:43 -
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So desperate for kills some players are, being not far from ISK obsessed players, I would not put it past them to run a scam corp setup. The people running the noob corp and the people deccing it are the same.
That sort of patheticness is what drives people away. But I think that for many players, driving others out of the game is their game.
yeah yeah everybody wants to be Tyler Durden and destroy something. Big deal.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11057
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:23:42 -
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Thorlund Amatin wrote:I think you misunderstand me, although not unreasonably. I hinted at that particular alliance because I couldn't think of another way of directing you to the corp this thread is about without falling foul of the forum rules. It just so happened that particular alliance has had a lot of kills against that corp recently. I wasn't accusing you of anything underhand, although reading back on my post it could have been construed that way, which wasn't my intention. Thanks for the clarification, might I ask you edit the op to reflect this ?
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24478
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:34:24 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:The question being asked I believe is: -
1.) Is this corp merely a front for a war-deccing corp to lure 0-day noobs into a war for cheap shitz and giggles? If only for shiggles why go to the bother when you can lure them in and run a reverse safari, newbies generally won't know to look for corps that are friendly fire disabled. Unless of course having a green KB is worth the time and cost of setting such a thing up; I certainly can't see Devils, Marmite or BAW stooping that low.
Quote:2.) Is CCP ok with this? That entirely depends on whether or the targeted corp is: a corp being run by people who either don't care and/or lack the experience to be running more than a one man tax evasion corp. being specifically used to honeypot newbies. The former is a fairly normal state of affairs, at least in highsec; the latter would need to be looked at by CCP.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3141
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Posted - 2015.07.28 18:45:36 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Baaldor wrote:Thorlund Amatin wrote:Let's just say... if you check the kills of a certain well-known alliance of Lucifer's soldiers... the picture will become clear.
So...we have some sort of thread started by an alt, about someone we really could care less about, using mechanics that may or may not be legal, and this is running on assumptions? Very much so. We are hardly the first corp to have our way with them, admittedly we are considerably better at hunting them than anyone else has been but that's hardly evidence of anything more than we are good at what we do.
It's like gloating how awsome your boxing skills are after you punched 20 kids of age 3 in the face .... .
Those guys lost 500+ ships worth ONLY 3.9 B total.Calling it a turkeyshoot would be an understatement.
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Thorlund Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.28 19:03:59 -
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I'm not going to change my previous post Ralph, and here's why. After my last post in this thread I logged in and checked both of the war reports of the dec between your alliance and the corp in question (your alliance has decced this corp twice, and no you're not the only ones to dec them).
Out of the current total of 114 kills by your alliance against this corp, literally every single victim apart from one was created in July 2015. The other one was created in June. Your alliance is deccing players that are less than a month old - as are the other corps/alliances.
Now, to me there is something very strange about this. The sheer numbers of new players in this corp falling victim to the deccers are not normal. Just look at the losses. My suspicion is that the corp was created as a trap for new players so deccers could shoot them like fish in a barrel, and let's be honest, that's what you and other deccers have been doing. That's why you decced them a second time just days after scoring over 100 kills against them.
And don't pretend you never check the players you're podding. You - and I mean everyone who decced them - knew you were killing new players. You probably didn't know they were recruited in noob systems, maybe some did, I can't say. But it looks like some serious rookie griefing is going on here - and will continue to go on as long as you guys keep shooting them - and I have left it to the GMs to sort out. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
442
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Posted - 2015.07.28 19:25:55 -
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Thorlund Amatin wrote:I'm not going to change my previous post Ralph, and here's why. After my last post in this thread I logged in and checked both of the war reports of the dec between your alliance and the corp in question (your alliance has decced this corp twice, and no you're not the only ones to dec them).
Out of the current total of 114 kills by your alliance against this corp, literally every single victim apart from one was created in July 2015. The other one was created in June. Your alliance is deccing players that are less than a month old - as are the other corps/alliances.
Now, to me there is something very strange about this. The sheer numbers of new players in this corp falling victim to the deccers are not normal. Just look at the losses. My suspicion is that the corp was created as a trap for new players so deccers could shoot them like fish in a barrel, and let's be honest, that's what you and other deccers have been doing. That's why you decced them a second time just days after scoring over 100 kills against them.
And don't pretend you never check the players you're podding. You - and I mean everyone who decced them - knew you were killing new players. You probably didn't know they were recruited in noob systems, maybe some did, I can't say. But it looks like some serious rookie griefing is going on here - and will continue to go on as long as you guys keep shooting them - and I have left it to the GMs to sort out.
Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well? |
Thorlund Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.28 19:38:18 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well?
Not if you clearly advertised your corp as a highly active PvP corp so that players joining you knew what they were in for.
The corp I'm talking about spams newbies in rookie systems with a recruitment ad that boasts its 0.0% tax rate as in incentive to join. It's not the same thing. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11059
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Posted - 2015.07.28 19:41:18 -
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Thorlund Amatin wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well? Not if you clearly advertised your corp as a highly active PvP corp so that players joining you knew what they were in for. The corp I'm talking about spams newbies in rookie systems with a recruitment ad that boasts its 0.0% tax rate as in incentive to join. It's not the same thing. So the issue then is with the Corps recruiting policy.
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