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Major Triscuits
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.07.28 19:56:45 -
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3144
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Posted - 2015.07.28 20:08:33 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Thorlund Amatin wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well? Not if you clearly advertised your corp as a highly active PvP corp so that players joining you knew what they were in for. The corp I'm talking about spams newbies in rookie systems with a recruitment ad that boasts its 0.0% tax rate as in incentive to join. It's not the same thing. So the issue then is with the Corps recruiting policy.
Yes it is.
However hiding behind that as an excuse to kill noobs speaks volumes about your Alliance ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1270
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Posted - 2015.07.28 20:19:52 -
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wow that killboard is incredible, you mercs really do stoop to low levels
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3145
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Posted - 2015.07.28 20:28:31 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Thorlund Amatin wrote:I'm not going to change my previous post Ralph, and here's why. After my last post in this thread I logged in and checked both of the war reports of the dec between your alliance and the corp in question (your alliance has decced this corp twice, and no you're not the only ones to dec them).
Out of the current total of 114 kills by your alliance against this corp, literally every single victim apart from one was created in July 2015. The other one was created in June. Your alliance is deccing players that are less than a month old - as are the other corps/alliances.
Now, to me there is something very strange about this. The sheer numbers of new players in this corp falling victim to the deccers are not normal. Just look at the losses. My suspicion is that the corp was created as a trap for new players so deccers could shoot them like fish in a barrel, and let's be honest, that's what you and other deccers have been doing. That's why you decced them a second time just days after scoring over 100 kills against them.
And don't pretend you never check the players you're podding. You - and I mean everyone who decced them - knew you were killing new players. You probably didn't know they were recruited in noob systems, maybe some did, I can't say. But it looks like some serious rookie griefing is going on here - and will continue to go on as long as you guys keep shooting them - and I have left it to the GMs to sort out. Look at the history of Brave Newbies. We were new, we were massacred (still are) and we loved it! Do you call that rookie griefing as well?
Unlike most players you guys pulled your pants down from day one and asked to be abused over and over.Maybe that is the reason why PL and BL gave you that special treatment .. who knows.Some people just like S&M ....
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3145
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Posted - 2015.07.28 20:31:18 -
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Lan Wang wrote:wow that killboard is incredible, you mercs really do stoop to low levels
I'm awaiting for someone to say that according to CCP being killed in your first weeks does not make you quit the game sooner ....
It really is taking long in this thread though ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:14:11 -
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every time a new player joins the game they're told "go and lose a bunch of t1 frigates, it's the best way to learn!"
then all of a sudden you're literally some kind of abominable monster if you shoot a new player flying a t1 frigate?
what the hell has happened to this place? |
Baaldor
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Black Legion.
438
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:28:48 -
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Dave Stark wrote:what the hell has happened to this place?
P.C. brown shirts, self entitlements, social soap boxes and Jello.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11063
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:30:25 -
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Dave Stark wrote:every time a new player joins the game they're told "go and lose a bunch of t1 frigates, it's the best way to learn!"
then all of a sudden you're literally some kind of abominable monster if you shoot a new player flying a t1 frigate?
what the hell has happened to this place? It's pitchfork season, can't be helped
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:30:31 -
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Dave Stark wrote:every time a new player joins the game they're told "go and lose a bunch of t1 frigates, it's the best way to learn!"
then all of a sudden you're literally some kind of abominable monster if you shoot a new player flying a t1 frigate?
what the hell has happened to this place?
its a bit different when you are recruiting into a corp so you can be target practice for a group of mercs. half those guys are just getting repeatbly killed and probably forced to just log off and never return.
great learning experience huh
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3547
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:31:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Lan Wang wrote:wow that killboard is incredible, you mercs really do stoop to low levels I'm awaiting for someone to say that according to CCP being killed in your first weeks does not make you quit the game sooner .... It really is taking long in this thread though ... That's because their statement was something like "being ganked in the first two weeks does not result in quitting the game". They have not commented on the first week. Nor have they on what those who join a corp at war without being told what a war is in Eve, and the consequences of getting into one, end up doing.
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Dave Stark
7512
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:33:17 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Dave Stark wrote:every time a new player joins the game they're told "go and lose a bunch of t1 frigates, it's the best way to learn!"
then all of a sudden you're literally some kind of abominable monster if you shoot a new player flying a t1 frigate?
what the hell has happened to this place? its a bit different when you are recruiting into a corp so you can be target practice for a group of mercs. half those guys are just getting repeatbly killed and probably forced to just log off and never return. great learning experience huh
and your proof that this is the case? or are we just going to all start saying that you're clearly RMTing the isk that you earn, and it must be true because we said so in a forum post?
those players are free to leave the corp if they feel it is a **** corp whos raison d'etre is to be farmed by a group of mercs. nobody is forcing them to log off and never return.
sure it's a great learning experience - welcome to eve where nowhere is safe and if you can't handle it then this game really isn't for you. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1273
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:46:41 -
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no proof, merely an assumption based on the facts provided i guess ccp can only decide the proof but doesnt take a genius to work out, come on dont play the idiot
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Dave Stark
7512
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:50:15 -
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Lan Wang wrote:no proof, merely an assumption based on the facts provided i guess ccp can only decide the proof but doesnt take a genius to work out, come on dont play the idiot
don't play the idiot?
i'm not the one whining that people are shooting new players flying t1 frigates, despite the most popular advice for new players is to "go and lose a bunch of t1 frigates" when they ask how to get started.
or the one making baseless accusations. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11063
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:52:53 -
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Lan Wang wrote:the facts provided Those are what exactly.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6851
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:53:16 -
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My take on this whole thing is this:
This is either a noob-harvesting endeavor based on kills or some meta-jollies of driving real people out of the game...
OR
this is a covert attempt to get noobs into PVP which is an aspect of the game that is not to be missed, especially for new players, who have less to lose and are apt to have a good time.
Yes, it could be an evil thing, or a good thing. But then, it's not like Eve Online never had such issues come up before.
I'm all for getting noobs into PVP as soon as possible. I have seen a lot of players just grind for years working towards some golden end game where they can take some pimped out bling boat into lowsec for some PVP and then have it die in a gate-raep in the same amount of time it would take to kill a rookie ship. That's the player who gets bored out of the game. So anything to avert that would be a good thing.
But if this is all about noob harvesting for jollies, well, we need to take issue with it. Using new players for padding kill stats is pretty low. What I have learned dealing with highsec dec corps is that if you fight them, you get another dec. Stay away from them, and you don't.
This plays into my theory that the "elite" PVPer of highsec is in highsec for the same reason as those they prey upon: nullsec sucks. Bubble and BLOPS mechanics suck. It's easier to get your pew on by being in a highsec deccing corp and gate camp in highsec with impunity: no BLOPS drops, and no bubble camps. We have seen *ahem* certain dec corps with "GTFO fits", meaning they have no desire to stick around if a target shows it can fight back. First sign of possible loss, they run off. They do not even go around and hunt. If lowsec and nullsec mechanics did not suck (or if the people already out there were not so good at what they do) these same people camping highsec with scatter-decs would leave for more PVP rich content. Thus the "make ships easy to catch" content additions have done more damage to PVP than one might expect. I refer to bubble immune ceptors, instalokis, warp speed changes (killed the battleship solo/small PVP except for the occasional total-BAWLS Domi), etc.
Overall, if the latter case is true it would be foolish to treat it as a problem directly without addressing what causes it. And it's one job I glad I don't have (be sure to send CCP a Christmas card this year).
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1273
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Posted - 2015.07.28 21:59:33 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lan Wang wrote:the facts provided Those are what exactly.
the killboard, the corp history, it is pretty obvious you are farming these guys, 345 members, 8 kills and 525 losses but whatever floats your goat
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Dave Stark
7512
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:06:15 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lan Wang wrote:the facts provided Those are what exactly. the killboard, the corp history, it is pretty obvious you are farming these guys, 345 members, 8 kills and 525 losses but whatever floats your goat
And how does this prove that people are only being invited to the corp in order to be used as killboard padding? |
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
516
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:12:56 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lan Wang wrote:the facts provided Those are what exactly. Ralph et al, you guys are insisting on obfuscating the primary issue, which is in of itself, shall we say, quite reveling!
There is no problem with the targeted corp, nor with its recruitment process. The issue is solely what was the intent of who-so-ever created said corp. Was it: -
a) "hey 0-day noob, join my corp, we have candy!!" And oops, forgot to mention the repeated and ongoing war-decs (read slaughter.) My bad.
or
b) " hey 0-day noob, join my corp, WE HAVE CANDY !!!" muuhaha muhahah, MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Obviously I haven't gone through the new player experience in a long time, so maybe someone can confirm this for me - in my time this game was notorious for the new player ending up in situations that can only be described as "WTF JUST HAPPENED!" The new guy carries on and then "omg wtf just happended AGAIN!?!?" New guys logs off, uninstalls client.
Now has that situation improved, and by that I mean when 0-day guys joins the above corp, did he/she get a BIG POP UP BOX saying you join, you are at war and they can kill you whenever, where ever?
Thanks in advance for the reply.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
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Dave Stark
7514
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:20:11 -
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If the corp is at war they can state such a thing in the motd in the corp chat channel.
It should be up to the corp to keep its members safe and informed, not ccp. |
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
516
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:31:18 -
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Dave Stark wrote:If the corp is at war they can state such a thing in the motd in the corp chat channel.
It should be up to the corp to keep its members safe and informed, not ccp. ....unless the intent was to not keep them either safe or informed. That is the question?
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
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Dave Stark
7514
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:34:12 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:If the corp is at war they can state such a thing in the motd in the corp chat channel.
It should be up to the corp to keep its members safe and informed, not ccp. ....unless the intent was to not keep them either safe or informed. That is the question?
So what if it wasn't? Nobody is forcing people to join or stay. |
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
517
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:46:43 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:If the corp is at war they can state such a thing in the motd in the corp chat channel.
It should be up to the corp to keep its members safe and informed, not ccp. ....unless the intent was to not keep them either safe or informed. That is the question? So what if it wasn't? Nobody is forcing people to join or stay. So what if it wasn't? You should read this thread more closely.....
CCP Bartender wrote:As a general rule of thumb, griefing and scams targeted specifically at rookie players, especially in rookie systems, are not ok. If you think that's what these guys are doing, you should file a support ticket, and the GM's will investigate. If I just happened to be someone in one of those war-deccing corps, who just happens to own an alt that formed the target corp, I'd be investing in a crash helmet right about now.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11063
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:49:01 -
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If
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Dave stark
7515
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:49:04 -
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Wardecs are neither griefing or scamming.
Same with corp recruitment. |
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
518
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Posted - 2015.07.28 22:57:04 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Wardecs are neither griefing or scamming.
Same with corp recruitment. . ......unless the intent is to grief and scam noobs, with a particular intent to target noob systems.
We are going in circles here, ISD is probably already inbound with a lock.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
303
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Posted - 2015.07.28 23:00:59 -
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As a general rule DEVILS doesn't discuss the nature of our contract work... I'm assuming this is a giant fail troll. I'm sure leadership looks forward to answering any and all questions from CCP.
This is ridiculous.
Have a nice day.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331004 - thank me later
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6853
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Posted - 2015.07.28 23:14:51 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:If the corp is at war they can state such a thing in the motd in the corp chat channel.
It should be up to the corp to keep its members safe and informed, not ccp. ....unless the intent was to not keep them either safe or informed. That is the question? So what if it wasn't? Nobody is forcing people to join or stay. So what if it wasn't? You should read this thread more closely..... CCP Bartender wrote:As a general rule of thumb, griefing and scams targeted specifically at rookie players, especially in rookie systems, are not ok. If you think that's what these guys are doing, you should file a support ticket, and the GM's will investigate. If I just happened to be someone in one of those war-deccing corps, who just happens to own an alt that formed the target corp, I'd be investing in a crash helmet right about now.
The Great Karnak predicts that CCP will put in some popup box to warn people joining a corp that the corp is at war and this will be construed as OMG CCP NERFIING PVP THEY LOVE CAREBEARS IT'S BECOMING WOW EVE IS DYING!!!!!1!!!!!!eleven!!!marshamarshamarsha!!!! Then after some locked 20+ itemized threads on why CCP hates PVPers, CODE. will start double-secret-probation-hyperdunking as "revenge".
Yeah I've been at this game for a while.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1219
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Posted - 2015.07.28 23:14:58 -
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So, whats going on in he....
Wow . I mean Wow. Fetch the pitchforks and someone call Inquisitor Teg, we have a load of completely insubstantiated conjecture and flat out making-****-up to hop on. This bandwagon gonna roll! |
Jake Hicks
POS Party Low-Class
1
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Posted - 2015.07.28 23:16:37 -
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Still pretty sad banging up on high sec new bros.. IMO! |
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
522
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Posted - 2015.07.28 23:19:43 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: The Great Karnak predicts that CCP will put in some popup box to warn people joining a corp that the corp is at war and this will be construed as OMG CCP NERFIING PVP THEY LOVE CAREBEARS IT'S BECOMING WOW EVE IS DYING!!!!!1!!!!!!eleven!!!marshamarshamarsha!!!! Then after some locked 20+ itemized threads on why CCP hates PVPers, CODE. will start double-secret-probation-hyperdunking as "revenge".
Yeah I've been at this game for a while.
What?
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:So, whats going on in he.... Wow . I mean Wow. Fetch the pitchforks and someone call Inquisitor Teg, we have a load of completely insubstantiated conjecture and flat out making-****-up to hop on. This bandwagon gonna roll! Ah, goons. What took you so long - anyhow, enjoy the ride.
I am a pod pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
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