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Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
156
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Posted - 2015.07.30 13:06:46 -
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To open up anothet twist in these twisted thinkings.
If these new players know so little about Eve and/or online gaming in general that they - join a corp without investigation - have no clue about the nature of highsec - don't know how wardecs work, how are they supposed to know about tax rates and that they are being shorthanded by the NPC corps?
This doesn't add up. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2015.07.30 13:19:32 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote:To open up anothet twist in these twisted thinkings.
If these new players know so little about Eve and/or online gaming in general that they - join a corp without investigation - have no clue about the nature of highsec - don't know how wardecs work, how are they supposed to know about tax rates and that they are being shorthanded by the NPC corps?
This doesn't add up.
'- join a corp without investigation'
Would they even know what they are looking for. In other games new players often join because they get advice, people to play with, perks and whatever other benefits come with being in a guild/corp depending on the game.
'- have no clue about the nature of highsec'
Depends how long they've been playing, some don't even know how to sell something.
'- don't know how wardecs work,'
Why should they know how wardecs work, don't remember it being covered by the career agents.
As far as I know tax rates are fairly straight forward.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2302
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Posted - 2015.07.30 13:58:19 -
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Lord Razpataz wrote:So.. I've been watching this post for a while. First of all I think alot of people in eve need a tinfoil adjustment. That being said, I would like to bring some facts. Devils (we, the bad mercs..) did take a contract against the corp in question. We where not their first dec, many other had been at them. When the time came for extending the dec, the employer was abit late and we needed to re launch. Then a random dude comes with a divious idea on the forum claiming this corp was made by mercs just to farm. Suddenly troll frenzy and tinfoilhats flying, not that shocking tho.. its eve. I actually would love for CCP to divolge the result of their investigation of this. On another note.. IF I wanted to go on a turkey shoot.. why not dec Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation? I dont see anyone complaining about PIRAT, Marmite etc.. killing noobs in the thousands. The only difference is the leadership in the target corporations. One stepping up to the challenge and inform their newbro's about the situation their in, the other is a bot? The real bad guy here is their CEO. Wonder why someone hired us?
The boss man speaks, and addresses an important point I brought up earlier. PIRAT, Marmite, FA, PIZZA etc have all decced the Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation in the past few weeks. This is another corp that is very new and is mostly comprised of members who are less than a month old, most are maybe two to three weeks old. They've been getting stomped on in droves. Was there an hour long 'save the children!' infomercial made just for them? No. They organized and fought back. Instead of embracing their own powerlessness they had the unmitigated GALL to bring a gigantic fleet of war crazy newbies right to the front door of their aggressors. Against all odds, and despite their own ignorance, they have managed on TWO occasions to down very shiny T3 cruisers flown by 'elite pvp'ers' who fielded fairly large fleets complete with Nestor logistic support.
I honestly have quite a bit of respect for these guys. They've earned it. They're new, they have no idea what they're doing, but they're also learning, adapting, and striving to survive.
And then there's these other guys... Their home base is so far away from where we generally operate that bringing ships that warp fast is the only reasonable choice. Most of their losses have been from frigates, destroyers (yes, T3 dessies... they are kind of the rage nowadays), and a few cruisers. If they were to communicate and organize they could easily field a fleet that would challenge the 'seal clubbers', but they don't. They have no communication and they have no effective leadership. They are just being thrust out into the battlefield with no instruction and in most cases no idea that they're being sent off to war.
Do I feel sympathy for these guys who are being thrown under the bus by their so called leader? Of course I do. Will I stop shooting at them? Of course not. Their destruction is necessary. It's a grim harvest that will likely yield bitter fruit, but those who endure the culling are those who will thrive in this world we share. Some will come to join us. Others will go elsewhere. Out of the 342 or so estimated members at my last count, statistically only about 35-40 will remain in the game regardless. I only hope that the few we do recruit in this manner are among those.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
49
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Posted - 2015.07.30 14:19:14 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Do I feel sympathy for these guys who are being thrown under the bus by their so called leader? Of course I do. Will I stop shooting at them? Of course not. Their destruction is necessary. It's a grim harvest that will likely yield bitter fruit, but those who endure the culling are those who will thrive in this world we share. Some will come to join us. Others will go elsewhere. Out of the 342 or so estimated members at my last count, statistically only about 35-40 will remain in the game regardless. I only hope that the few we do recruit in this manner are among those.
Yes damn those 5 hours old players. Fcking scrubs the lot of them! Do they not know who you are!
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2303
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Posted - 2015.07.30 14:35:12 -
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the things you quote bear no resemblance to the words you spew. perhaps we're not speaking the same language?
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
49
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Posted - 2015.07.30 16:32:05 -
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I'm just translating what you wanted to say but chose not to, to try and somehow sound legit. From one wardeccer to another: actively targeting true, days old, newbies is terrible. |
Hengle Teron
Explosions Delivered with Love
55862
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Posted - 2015.07.30 16:52:14 -
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The real problem is, that anyone can be a CEO. No matter how **** they are, or how little they actually care for their members.
They can freely recruit day old newbies (or even hours) and send them to mine for the corp, and some even tax them for 50% or more (yes, such corps exist). |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
306
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Posted - 2015.07.31 00:33:09 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
As already stated in this thread, by a dev, there are specific rules against specific actions older players can take against newer ones. Despite IZ's assertion that EVE was once a perfect world with no bad people (how she could possible know that having not been here from the beginning, I don't know, since the current owner of the account bought it off someone else), EVE's nature would always necessitate some hand-holding of newbros to such an environment. However, IZ's rabid mouth-frothing is not about griefing nubs, it's just how she is when in the presence of superior beings, such as myself, and other CODE members.
yes i'm well aware of the rules and the stance ISD has on new bro farming. EVE was never a fluffy world and never will be so let ISD deal with ifthere is an issue..
was the last bit about superior beings an shite role playing ? ya mad fecker |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
306
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Posted - 2015.07.31 00:43:35 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:The real problem is, that anyone can be a CEO. No matter how **** they are, or how little they actually care for their members.
They can freely recruit day old newbies (or even hours) and send them to mine for the corp, and some even tax them for 50% or more (yes, such corps exist).
an in game corp ranking system based on CEO performance as a leader would help peoples search for corps. perhaps a survey when leaving corp? ya know,, keep it simple. and have these reviews attached to all corp recruitment advertisements.
let the reviews speak for themselves. open to abuse ? allow one review per account per corp, people will try to stat pad it im sure.
hell a simple thumbs up or down button when leaving might even help.
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Yoo Eet Mikakka
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.07.31 01:05:13 -
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Just another example of how pathetic the players of this game are.
I undocked from the career agent station on day 1 with my new Merlin, and received a duel invite from a Rokh sitting on the undock. Really dude? Sitting on the undock of a starter system station, trying to trick newbs in crap-fit frigates to fight your battleship. Wow. I guess he couldn't even do it in a frigate himself, he needed to make sure to have an unbreakable tank. Just in case. Those newb Merlins can put out 50 dps you know.
My first few days I've seen plenty of years-old players running burrows and hideaways in .9 systems with their Gilas and whatnot. Good job dudes. Show those newbs how it's done.
Here we have some form of newb farming corp. And merc corps who are glad to participate, rather than researching the corp a bit and deciding not to take part in the joke.
If I were actually a new player and not an alt I might be surprised. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13888
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Posted - 2015.07.31 01:06:55 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:The real problem is, that anyone can be a CEO. No matter how **** they are, or how little they actually care for their members.
They can freely recruit day old newbies (or even hours) and send them to mine for the corp, and some even tax them for 50% or more (yes, such corps exist). an in game corp ranking system based on CEO performance as a leader would help peoples search for corps. perhaps a survey when leaving corp? ya know,, keep it simple. and have these reviews attached to all corp recruitment advertisements. let the reviews speak for themselves. open to abuse ? allow one review per account per corp, people will try to stat pad it im sure. hell a simple thumbs up or down button when leaving might even help.
I'd simply raise the barrier to entry for corp creation. Both in terms of isk and skillpoints. Accomplishes the same thing.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
218
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Posted - 2015.07.31 01:14:15 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:The real problem is, that anyone can be a CEO. No matter how **** they are, or how little they actually care for their members.
They can freely recruit day old newbies (or even hours) and send them to mine for the corp, and some even tax them for 50% or more (yes, such corps exist). an in game corp ranking system based on CEO performance as a leader would help peoples search for corps. perhaps a survey when leaving corp? ya know,, keep it simple. and have these reviews attached to all corp recruitment advertisements. let the reviews speak for themselves. open to abuse ? allow one review per account per corp, people will try to stat pad it im sure. hell a simple thumbs up or down button when leaving might even help. I'd simply raise the barrier to entry for corp creation. Both in terms of isk and skillpoints. Accomplishes the same thing.
But would it, when players can use plex to get ISK and characters from the bazaar? And still be a crappy CEO with a useless corp.
Experienced (or merely curious) players know to check out a corp for its war history and kill stats and so gain an idea of whether the corp and CEO is any good.
I'm not sure what more can be done for these new players except warn them.
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John E Normus
The Conference Elite CODE.
613
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Posted - 2015.07.31 01:24:36 -
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WTF, that killboard! 6 pods and a rookie ship in 14 minutes from the same WT!?!
gf I guess?
Between Ignorance and Wisdom
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13888
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Posted - 2015.07.31 01:26:04 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
But would it, when players can use plex to get ISK and characters from the bazaar? And still be a crappy CEO with a useless corp.
It still would, yes. If people wanted to spend real money to get around it, only to failcascade, that's their business. That's like asking if the training time for battleships still raises the barrier to entry just because you can buy a character. Yes, the barrier is still there.
Quote: Experienced (or merely curious) players know to check out a corp for its war history and kill stats and so gain an idea of whether the corp and CEO is any good.
I'm not sure what more can be done for these new players except warn them.
We can start by not handcuffing conflict in highsec, so people can wipe these ******* out. Destroying corps like these lowers the signal to noise ratio, so to speak. Less bad corps equates to a better chance of newbies finding a worthwhile corp.
Between that and increasing the barrier to creating a corp in terms of isk and skillpoints, it should have the desired effect, and help proliferate conflict in highsec, which is a known driver of positive retention.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24496
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Posted - 2015.07.31 02:05:36 -
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Yoo Eet Mikakka wrote:Just another example of how pathetic the players of this game are.
I undocked from the career agent station on day 1 with my new Merlin, and received a duel invite from a Rokh sitting on the undock. Really dude? Sitting on the undock of a starter system station, trying to trick newbs in crap-fit frigates to fight your battleship. That's petitionable, CCP comes down like a tonne of bricks on people who do crap like that.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Valkin Mordirc
1318
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Posted - 2015.07.31 05:32:43 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:I'm just translating what you wanted to say but chose not to, to try and somehow sound legit. From one wardeccer to another: actively targeting true, days old, newbies is terrible.
Says the man with no Killboard?
Regardless I made the same point a while ago. Your tin foil seems to be blinding you.
What about all the other newbro friendly corps getting smashed by all other Merc Alliances.
Why is this on worth raising the pitch forks for? Why don't you go over to C&P click on Marmite advert thread and complain to them about how they are 'killing the game for newbies?' Or Forsaken? PIRATE? PRIATE? Whatever they're called. The Amarr Overlords.
You don't actually care. It's just easy for to sit there and type a paragraph on the horrors of it all, because that is easy.
You're worse than the Anti-Gankers. At least they try to stop ganks from happening, you just sitting spouting dribbling and tripe without action. Veers Bevlar, has more right to talk about subjest then you do because at least Veers made himself apart of the AG community.
It's Empty.
You're Hollow. I would be ashamed of myself.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1302
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Posted - 2015.07.31 06:45:34 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote: What about all the other newbro friendly corps getting smashed by all other Merc Alliances.
Its cowardly and they should be ashamed of themselves
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
6709
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Posted - 2015.07.31 06:55:19 -
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Some said something earlier that I've been saying for years - raise the bar for CEO requirements. And now I know how, I just had a thought. Yes, it was mildly piercing, as thoughts go, but here it is.
Just make it so people have to spend a minimum amount of time in a corp before they can leave and join/start another. This actually solves two things: players get a chance to learn something about the game, and it prevents easy corp rolling for dec dodging. It also serves to get people thinking about what they're prepared to commit to.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1302
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Posted - 2015.07.31 07:08:46 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Some said something earlier that I've been saying for years - raise the bar for CEO requirements. And now I know how, I just had a thought. Yes, it was mildly piercing, as thoughts go, but here it is.
Just make it so people have to spend a minimum amount of time in a corp before they can leave and join/start another. This actually solves two things: players get a chance to learn something about the game, and it prevents easy corp rolling for dec dodging. It also serves to get people thinking about what they're prepared to commit to.
how does that prevent noobs from being exploited into corps to be slaughtered by vets?
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
6709
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Posted - 2015.07.31 07:09:48 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Some said something earlier that I've been saying for years - raise the bar for CEO requirements. And now I know how, I just had a thought. Yes, it was mildly piercing, as thoughts go, but here it is.
Just make it so people have to spend a minimum amount of time in a corp before they can leave and join/start another. This actually solves two things: players get a chance to learn something about the game, and it prevents easy corp rolling for dec dodging. It also serves to get people thinking about what they're prepared to commit to. how does that prevent noobs from being exploited into corps to be slaughtered by vets?
I'm not convinced that's what's happening. No evidence, just someone wearing a lot of tinfoil making claims. It's just a **** CEO, I've seen this happening all over in my travels over the years I've played, including corps I've personally decced, where the CEO continues to recruit new people while under wardec conditions. If they do this, it's actually really easy to get an alt in as a spy.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Valkin Mordirc
1319
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Posted - 2015.07.31 07:40:56 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Valkin Mordirc wrote: What about all the other newbro friendly corps getting smashed by all other Merc Alliances. Its cowardly and they should be ashamed of themselves
And where were the pitchforks then?
About Brave/Ivy being basically perma decced by all Mercs at once?
Where are the pitchforks for them?
What about EvE-College? Where were you when they were perma decced by Marmite for a month?
What about that streamers corp that was mentioned before?
What about all the other corps decced that are new?
Literally asked this question three times now, and everyone has skirted it.
Why do you care now?
Like I said. People care only when it's shoved under their noses.
If they don't care enough to actually look. And be proactive, rather than arguing on the games forum, in stopping it. Then I would say, hey look these people actually give a damn, But they don't. They are happy taking a sideline in small section of a game that the majority of EVE players don't even bother with, and type a little witty line about how it's ****** of someone to do it.
They don't care.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1302
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Posted - 2015.07.31 08:17:23 -
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the proof is a killboard full of rookies being shot and a ceo with no history and a 0% tax rate used to recruit them. doesnt take a genius to see that mercs are killing rookies for whatever reason.
just because i care and have an opinion about endangered animals being hunted for fun in africa, doesnt mean im going to go over to africa and start shooting hunters and become a conservationist. thats the joys of this world people only realise when someone brings something like this to light otherwise its never noticed, it doesnt make it ok though and it doesnt mean people should not care and have views on what is happening.
where is the proof that they were paid to do this? there is none just like the proof you seek that this is happening, neither side can be proved by players to 100% legitimacy so its all speculation based on info available and what people say, you believe the mercs when they say they were paid so your opinion is no more relevant than mine because the proof is not there for either side. The joy of opinions.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2015.07.31 08:26:59 -
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John E Normus wrote:WTF, that killboard! 6 pods and a rookie ship in 14 minutes from the same WT!?!
gf I guess?
I don't actually care about killmails.
If you loot them you see what you've gained, if you read killmails you see what you've lost (what's been destroyed). |
Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
6712
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Posted - 2015.07.31 08:31:55 -
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Lan Wang wrote:the proof is a killboard full of rookies being shot and a ceo with no history and a 0% tax rate used to recruit them. doesnt take a genius to see that mercs are killing rookies for whatever reason.
No, you are jumping to a very elaborate conclusion with very limited data. There is nothing here that conclusively proves that is what is happening, and you are making assumptions
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
53
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Posted - 2015.07.31 08:33:06 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Tiberius Heth wrote:I'm just translating what you wanted to say but chose not to, to try and somehow sound legit. From one wardeccer to another: actively targeting true, days old, newbies is terrible. Says the man with no Killboard? Regardless I made the same point a while ago. Your tin foil seems to be blinding you. What about all the other newbro friendly corps getting smashed by all other Merc Alliances. Why is this on worth raising the pitch forks for? Why don't you go over to C&P click on Marmite advert thread and complain to them about how they are 'killing the game for newbies?' Or Forsaken? PIRATE? PRIATE? Whatever they're called. The Amarr Overlords. You don't actually care. It's just easy for to sit there and type a paragraph on the horrors of it all, because that is easy. You're worse than the Anti-Gankers. Some of them are horrible vile people but At least they try to stop ganks from happening, you just sitting spouting dribbling and tripe without action. Veers Bevlar, has more right to talk about subjest then you do because at least Veers made himself apart of the AG community. It's Empty. You're Hollow. I would be ashamed of myself.
Sounds like I touched a nerve there because you're going full ******. The reason I reply to this one is because:
a) there's a thread about it, who'd have thought b) specifically aiming to kill newbies is fcking terrible and people who do this should be outed c) I expected better from some people
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1302
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Posted - 2015.07.31 08:33:33 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Lan Wang wrote:the proof is a killboard full of rookies being shot and a ceo with no history and a 0% tax rate used to recruit them. doesnt take a genius to see that mercs are killing rookies for whatever reason.
No, you are jumping to a very elaborate conclusion with very limited data. There is nothing here that conclusively proves that is what is happening, and you are making assumptions
are you saying zkillboard is lying and this is all a conspiracy?
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Valkin Mordirc
1321
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Posted - 2015.07.31 08:36:30 -
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Lan Wang wrote:the proof is a killboard full of rookies being shot and a ceo with no history and a 0% tax rate used to recruit them. doesnt take a genius to see that mercs are killing rookies for whatever reason.
just because i care and have an opinion about endangered animals being hunted for fun in africa, doesnt mean im going to go over to africa and start shooting hunters and become a conservationist. thats the joys of this world people only realise when someone brings something like this to light otherwise its never noticed, it doesnt make it ok though and it doesnt mean people should not care and have views on what is happening.
I decced them Lan. I wasn't paid to dec them all it took was for me to see one flying around. I wasn't told to dec this corp. We killed a shitton of small **** and left it at that. The corp literally had one of the top ten new member growth on EVE-Who. Thats why they were decced so much.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Jarlhettur's%20Drop
Look at that growth. 100 members right at the start. And triples less than a month,
This. Is. Not. A Padding corp.
Quote:where is the proof that they were paid to do this? there is none just like the proof you seek that this is happening, neither side can be proved by players to 100% legitimacy so its all speculation based on info available and what people say, you believe the mercs when they say they were paid so your opinion is no more relevant than mine because the proof is not there for either side. The joy of opinions.
Look I respect you dude. But listen.
There is no proof that it's a god damn padding corp. OP made that statement. And did not supply a burden of truth. WHY should I believe them when they can't even back up there own statements? I know DWA. I respect them a ton. They a good people who play the game legitimately. DWA is willing to take anybody and show them how to play the game. You should at least understand that and then ask, "If they go out of there way to show newbies how to play, why would they dec a padding corp?"
It's like if I told you lizards ran the government.
I could say it all I want. Doesn't mean it true. And you could believe me. But does that make it true? No.
If somebody can show me this bullcrap is true. Then fine. But until then.
Please cut the crap.
Also again. Three years in the merc business. This is the first time I have every heard of this. Why is that? Why havn't I heard of this before.
Because it ******* stupid.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Valkin Mordirc
1321
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Posted - 2015.07.31 08:44:52 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:
Sounds like I touched a nerve there because you're going full ******. The reason I reply to this one is because:
a) there's a thread about it, who'd have thought b) specifically aiming to kill 0 day newbies is fcking terrible and people who do this should be outed c) I expected better from some people
A. And suddenly people. My point. B. And specifically bring some of those players into corp and teaching them how to play? C. Expectations of what? That EVE is a game of snowflakes and lolipops?
If you want to make a difference then make a difference.
The only thing you're doing here is arguing. The only time somebody really cares about what you have to say is after you do something about it.
So you don't like the newbs being slaughter?
Ally in. Bring them into your own newbie corp. Teach them how to play the game.
Your words mean jack**** until you put actions to them.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
53
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Posted - 2015.07.31 08:49:13 -
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That's hilariously funny, if only you knew why. |
Valkin Mordirc
1321
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Posted - 2015.07.31 08:51:34 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:That's hilariously funny, if only you knew why.
Show me why then.
Otherwise I have no reason to give you an single ounce of respect.
#DeleteTheWeak
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