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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2015.07.30 14:14:43 -
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Servus,
I tried to down those **** ratting ishtars with my tengu, ideally with cloak and nulli on it, however it only gives me 440 dps, and that thing did not want to die, i made another fit with 400dps and two neuts, it still did not want to go down... now i ask you guys, will 600 dps be enough for it (EM damage)? what would be the ideal tengu fit to kill it fast? your thoughts please
https://zkillboard.com/kill/48129725/
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Lucy Callagan
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra
25
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Posted - 2015.07.30 14:26:04 -
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take a succubus
https://zkillboard.com/kill/47278571/
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1239
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Posted - 2015.07.30 14:28:34 -
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I really want to use a tengu to assure i can go up there easy, what would you fit on the tengu?
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
166
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Posted - 2015.07.30 14:53:03 -
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One medium neut totally breaks his cap stability (puts him about 1 min 14) even less if he is forced to heat the booster. After that you just need to ensure you are applying enough dps to force him to run the shield booster constantly (about 450 dps omni on paper). Use explosive or EM damage type with one medium neut and he will drop under 600 dps.
This is all assuming no drugs or implants on his side but that should not really change much. |
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
156
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Posted - 2015.07.30 15:28:13 -
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Man you really push those Succubuses don't you?
By the way you forgot to say "Take a succubus also your alt also make sure NPCs account for 30% of the damage" |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1239
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Posted - 2015.07.30 15:30:53 -
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Switch Savage wrote:One medium neut totally breaks his cap stability (puts him about 1 min 14) even less if he is forced to heat the booster. After that you just need to ensure you are applying enough dps to force him to run the shield booster constantly (about 450 dps omni on paper). Use explosive or EM damage type with one medium neut and he will drop under 600 dps.
This is all assuming no drugs or implants on his side but that should not really change much.
I don't get it, I run 2 medium neuts on him and 400dps for 3 minutes and he did not want to go down, his shield booster kept boosting I got it all on fraps https://zkillboard.com/kill/48160819/
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
167
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Posted - 2015.07.30 15:37:19 -
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Ummm are you 100% sure the fit you linked is the one he is using? |
Chiang LapShek
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.07.30 15:37:54 -
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I had the same problem with a tengu. I think your best option would be dropping the cloak and going for a 800dps tengu fit
A ratting ishtar probably has a strong cap so i dont see many other ways a tengu could kill it other than out dpsing its tank. Make sure to use ammo that isnt what hes ratting against (ex: if hes doing guristas dont use kinetic or thermal) |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1239
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Posted - 2015.07.30 15:46:10 -
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Switch Savage wrote:Ummm are you 100% sure the fit you linked is the one he is using?
I was pretty sure because everybody in that area uses this special ratting fit, however i send the guy a mail now maybe i find out, maybe it was a trap with some special capboosters too
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
167
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Posted - 2015.07.30 15:47:54 -
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Does seem a bit strange especially if you staggered the neuts well he should have been under some heavy pressure. |
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Chiang LapShek
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.07.30 15:53:00 -
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Switch Savage wrote:Does seem a bit strange especially if you staggered the neuts well he should have been under some heavy pressure.
I agree. Did OP specify what he was doing? Ratting in belts, anoms? |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
553
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Posted - 2015.07.30 16:27:32 -
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Now that is a somewhat fearsome Ishtar fit. They've learned to plug resist holes. At first glance, the lowest resist on it will be explosive, probably somewhere in the mid 60% range while EM is closer to 70. And cap for days...I can understand two medium neuts not being enough to prevent him from running his booster intermittently.
That Tengu looks weak in both the DPS and tank department. You might consider a Stratios? Would actually be cheaper than that Tengu with comparable DPS and should be able to fit at least three medium neuts. A dual rep Stratios MIGHT be able to tank him indefinitely, especially if you use a dual prop fit and orbit with AB on. I know you can run a dual prop buffer fit that gets 60-70k EHP, and 450 DPS with Geckos.
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Chiang LapShek
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.07.30 16:38:29 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Now that is a somewhat fearsome Ishtar fit. They've learned to plug resist holes. At first glance, the lowest resist on it will be explosive, probably somewhere in the mid 60% range while EM is closer to 70. And cap for days...I can understand two medium neuts not being enough to prevent him from running his booster intermittently.
That Tengu looks weak in both the DPS and tank department. You might consider a Stratios? Would actually be cheaper than that Tengu with comparable DPS and should be able to fit at least three medium neuts. A dual rep Stratios MIGHT be able to tank him indefinitely, especially if you use a dual prop fit and orbit with AB on. I know you can run a dual prop buffer fit that gets 60-70k EHP, and 450 DPS with Geckos.
Stratios would be much better due to neuts but the problem is a smart ishtar pilot would be gone as soon as a stratios shows on grid, i think OP wants to use the tengu because most ishtars wont expect a tengu to be able to kill them. |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1239
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Posted - 2015.07.30 18:10:14 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Now that is a somewhat fearsome Ishtar fit. They've learned to plug resist holes. At first glance, the lowest resist on it will be explosive, probably somewhere in the mid 60% range while EM is closer to 70. And cap for days...I can understand two medium neuts not being enough to prevent him from running his booster intermittently.
That Tengu looks weak in both the DPS and tank department. You might consider a Stratios? Would actually be cheaper than that Tengu with comparable DPS and should be able to fit at least three medium neuts. A dual rep Stratios MIGHT be able to tank him indefinitely, especially if you use a dual prop fit and orbit with AB on. I know you can run a dual prop buffer fit that gets 60-70k EHP, and 450 DPS with Geckos.
yea the stratios is the ship used to kill those like it seems, have seen them on the kb, however i wanted to make it happen with the tengu but it seems impossible... i never thought that thing could hold two neuts
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2015.07.30 18:11:54 -
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Chiang LapShek wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Now that is a somewhat fearsome Ishtar fit. They've learned to plug resist holes. At first glance, the lowest resist on it will be explosive, probably somewhere in the mid 60% range while EM is closer to 70. And cap for days...I can understand two medium neuts not being enough to prevent him from running his booster intermittently.
That Tengu looks weak in both the DPS and tank department. You might consider a Stratios? Would actually be cheaper than that Tengu with comparable DPS and should be able to fit at least three medium neuts. A dual rep Stratios MIGHT be able to tank him indefinitely, especially if you use a dual prop fit and orbit with AB on. I know you can run a dual prop buffer fit that gets 60-70k EHP, and 450 DPS with Geckos.
Stratios would be much better due to neuts but the problem is a smart ishtar pilot would be gone as soon as a stratios shows on grid, i think OP wants to use the tengu because most ishtars wont expect a tengu to be able to kill them.
yea i also want to use the tengu to be safe from bubbles, when i go up there, with the stratios moving around in null is not that easy
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Chiang LapShek
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.07.30 18:16:28 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Chiang LapShek wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Now that is a somewhat fearsome Ishtar fit. They've learned to plug resist holes. At first glance, the lowest resist on it will be explosive, probably somewhere in the mid 60% range while EM is closer to 70. And cap for days...I can understand two medium neuts not being enough to prevent him from running his booster intermittently.
That Tengu looks weak in both the DPS and tank department. You might consider a Stratios? Would actually be cheaper than that Tengu with comparable DPS and should be able to fit at least three medium neuts. A dual rep Stratios MIGHT be able to tank him indefinitely, especially if you use a dual prop fit and orbit with AB on. I know you can run a dual prop buffer fit that gets 60-70k EHP, and 450 DPS with Geckos.
Stratios would be much better due to neuts but the problem is a smart ishtar pilot would be gone as soon as a stratios shows on grid, i think OP wants to use the tengu because most ishtars wont expect a tengu to be able to kill them. yea i also want to use the tengu to be safe from bubbles, when i go up there, with the stratios moving around in null is not that easy
Try something like this: Fly cloaked/interdiction scouting tengu with the other offencive sub and prop sub in your inventory. Find an ishtar, go out of DScan range and refit to a full offencive fit and then warp onto him. I just dont think a cloak null tengu has dps to kill an ishtar |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1239
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Posted - 2015.07.30 18:20:24 -
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Chiang LapShek wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Chiang LapShek wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Now that is a somewhat fearsome Ishtar fit. They've learned to plug resist holes. At first glance, the lowest resist on it will be explosive, probably somewhere in the mid 60% range while EM is closer to 70. And cap for days...I can understand two medium neuts not being enough to prevent him from running his booster intermittently.
That Tengu looks weak in both the DPS and tank department. You might consider a Stratios? Would actually be cheaper than that Tengu with comparable DPS and should be able to fit at least three medium neuts. A dual rep Stratios MIGHT be able to tank him indefinitely, especially if you use a dual prop fit and orbit with AB on. I know you can run a dual prop buffer fit that gets 60-70k EHP, and 450 DPS with Geckos.
Stratios would be much better due to neuts but the problem is a smart ishtar pilot would be gone as soon as a stratios shows on grid, i think OP wants to use the tengu because most ishtars wont expect a tengu to be able to kill them. yea i also want to use the tengu to be safe from bubbles, when i go up there, with the stratios moving around in null is not that easy Try something like this: Fly cloaked/interdiction scouting tengu with the other offencive sub and prop sub in your inventory. Find an ishtar, go out of DScan range and refit to a full offencive fit and then warp onto him. I just dont think a cloak null tengu has dps to kill an ishtar
yea i actually did that when trying with the 2 neuts, i refitted but did not make it... i got a new setup now with some heavy shild and 600 dps em, I will try with this one... got another fit with 700 dps but with a much smaller shield, i may trie that one as well if I die again...
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Chiang LapShek
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.07.30 19:17:52 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Chiang LapShek wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Chiang LapShek wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Now that is a somewhat fearsome Ishtar fit. They've learned to plug resist holes. At first glance, the lowest resist on it will be explosive, probably somewhere in the mid 60% range while EM is closer to 70. And cap for days...I can understand two medium neuts not being enough to prevent him from running his booster intermittently.
That Tengu looks weak in both the DPS and tank department. You might consider a Stratios? Would actually be cheaper than that Tengu with comparable DPS and should be able to fit at least three medium neuts. A dual rep Stratios MIGHT be able to tank him indefinitely, especially if you use a dual prop fit and orbit with AB on. I know you can run a dual prop buffer fit that gets 60-70k EHP, and 450 DPS with Geckos.
Stratios would be much better due to neuts but the problem is a smart ishtar pilot would be gone as soon as a stratios shows on grid, i think OP wants to use the tengu because most ishtars wont expect a tengu to be able to kill them. yea i also want to use the tengu to be safe from bubbles, when i go up there, with the stratios moving around in null is not that easy Try something like this: Fly cloaked/interdiction scouting tengu with the other offencive sub and prop sub in your inventory. Find an ishtar, go out of DScan range and refit to a full offencive fit and then warp onto him. I just dont think a cloak null tengu has dps to kill an ishtar yea i actually did that when trying with the 2 neuts, i refitted but did not make it... i got a new setup now with some heavy shild and 600 dps em, I will try with this one... got another fit with 700 dps but with a much smaller shield, i may trie that one as well if I die again...
Mind sharing your fit? Im sure we could all pitch in to help |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
553
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Posted - 2015.07.30 19:26:02 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Chiang LapShek wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Chiang LapShek wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Now that is a somewhat fearsome Ishtar fit. They've learned to plug resist holes. At first glance, the lowest resist on it will be explosive, probably somewhere in the mid 60% range while EM is closer to 70. And cap for days...I can understand two medium neuts not being enough to prevent him from running his booster intermittently.
That Tengu looks weak in both the DPS and tank department. You might consider a Stratios? Would actually be cheaper than that Tengu with comparable DPS and should be able to fit at least three medium neuts. A dual rep Stratios MIGHT be able to tank him indefinitely, especially if you use a dual prop fit and orbit with AB on. I know you can run a dual prop buffer fit that gets 60-70k EHP, and 450 DPS with Geckos.
Stratios would be much better due to neuts but the problem is a smart ishtar pilot would be gone as soon as a stratios shows on grid, i think OP wants to use the tengu because most ishtars wont expect a tengu to be able to kill them. yea i also want to use the tengu to be safe from bubbles, when i go up there, with the stratios moving around in null is not that easy Try something like this: Fly cloaked/interdiction scouting tengu with the other offencive sub and prop sub in your inventory. Find an ishtar, go out of DScan range and refit to a full offencive fit and then warp onto him. I just dont think a cloak null tengu has dps to kill an ishtar yea i actually did that when trying with the 2 neuts, i refitted but did not make it... i got a new setup now with some heavy shild and 600 dps em, I will try with this one... got another fit with 700 dps but with a much smaller shield, i may trie that one as well if I die again...
His lowest resist will be to explosive - base resist of 50 + AIF II gives a bit lower number than T2 EM hardener + AIF II. Furthermore it looks like they mostly use Wasp heavy drones with kinetic damage (because that is the optimum damage type against Guristas); I think you would benefit from taking extra care to stack kinetic resist as high as possible.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1024
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Posted - 2015.07.30 19:31:28 -
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I find your lack of web disturbing.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
721
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Posted - 2015.07.30 22:45:58 -
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lmbo |
hezie99
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.07.30 22:52:14 -
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haha.. :) ISHTAR STRONG |
Randy McSoggybotto
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.07.30 23:05:32 -
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i hear dreads are good against afk ishtars they probably wont break your tank and kill your tengu like the last time you tried |
Londi
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.07.30 23:26:12 -
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Randy McSoggybotto wrote:i hear dreads are good against afk ishtars they probably wont break your tank and kill your tengu like the last time you tried
Silly talk. He should be dropping gank fit Thannys or Nyxs to ensure the evil goonie ishtar dies. |
Milinako
Touch My Totem
0
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Posted - 2015.07.30 23:31:22 -
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gon forum cta |
Lucy Callagan
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra
25
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Posted - 2015.07.31 00:34:18 -
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Hadrian Blackstone wrote:Man you really push those Succubuses don't you? By the way you forgot to say "Take a succubus also your alt also make sure NPCs account for 30% of the damage"
My alt is just point, no dps, but yeah sometimes you need a bit more :p https://zkillboard.com/kill/48174039/
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Oresome Powers
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.07.31 02:08:35 -
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#rattinganyways |
Randy McSoggybotto
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.07.31 05:58:04 -
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/48187196/
what you did wrong was you didnt bring a dreadnought, as i said previously. ill even light you the cyno for you |
Syndic Thrass
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
146
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:36:58 -
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idk m8 im looking at my ishtar fit and even with 2 medium neuts on it I still am showing 14 minutes of cap. maybe you are just bad at spaceships? dread is probably your best bet tbqh
[Chimera, Chimera fit]
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Pith X-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Drone Navigation Computer II
Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I
Capital Core Defense Field Extender II Capital Core Defense Field Extender II Capital Core Defense Field Extender II
Einherji x7 Firbolg x8
Reguards,
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Randy McSoggybotto
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.07.31 09:40:08 -
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Syndic Thrass wrote:idk m8 im looking at my ishtar fit and even with 2 medium neuts on it I still am showing 14 minutes of cap. maybe you are just bad at spaceships? dread is probably your best bet tbqh
[Chimera, Chimera fit]
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Pith X-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Drone Navigation Computer II
Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I
Capital Core Defense Field Extender II Capital Core Defense Field Extender II Capital Core Defense Field Extender II
Einherji x7 Firbolg x8
im getting the same error too |
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