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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.28 12:42:43 -
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Lan Wang wrote:the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :)
Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values?
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1402
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Posted - 2015.08.28 13:49:59 -
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dont know, i dont really do pve for profit, i do it for fun mostly
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
714
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Posted - 2015.08.28 14:12:30 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Lan Wang wrote:the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :) Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values?
What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1402
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Posted - 2015.08.28 14:58:53 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Lan Wang wrote:the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :) Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values? What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW.
thats the problem with highsec carebears, the main concern for them is maxing everything, god forbid if another lvl 5 hub paid out more
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MT Dinkle
INFAMOUS DEVILS
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Posted - 2015.08.28 15:21:11 -
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i agree with bringing lvl 5s to highsec, but at a cost. That cost meaning you would need a fleet with logi and links with marauders and capitals. it sounds like im talking about incursions but i have never done them because of how hard it is to get going with a decent fleet. i also wish they would make lvl 3 and 4 harder to do. make 3's hard to do solo making you need to actually control aggro and bring a more solid ship and fitting. 4s should take a small fleet 2 or more depending on skills with maybe links and logi at a smaller scale. with that the isk, lp, salvage and loot should be balanced out as well. i love running missions more than anything on eve online. I really just like them because they are endless and i can do them on my schedule. i feel they should make new missions as well. i know we have burners now but those are extremely tough and dont understand why they limit the ships you can bring. honestly they made them to challenge us and to experience what pvp is a little i get that, but in pvp you can bring whatever ship you want(BS vs Frig). and after all of that bring carriers and dreds to highsec as-well, so i may experience flying them and being able to use them for missioning. thats my dream and suspect they may never do that. that is all. good post |
Joshua Lonestar
Perkone Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2015.08.28 15:23:33 -
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As long as incursions exist in high sec its a hollow argument to say L5's need to stay in low sec due to the income.
Move'm to high sec or move incursions to low sec. But its silly to cry about someone wanting a L5 mission moved to high sec as long as you can make 100+ mil an hour on incursions. Lets be honest there....An EASY 100+ mil an hour with NO RISK. With SRP in place Incursions are actually safer than missions. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1402
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Posted - 2015.08.28 15:25:10 -
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Joshua Lonestar wrote:As long as incursions exist in high sec its a hollow argument to say L5's need to stay in low sec due to the income.
Move'm to high sec or move incursions to low sec. But its silly to cry about someone wanting a L5 mission moved to high sec as long as you can make 100+ mil an hour on incursions. Lets be honest there....An EASY 100+ mil an hour with NO RISK. With SRP in place Incursions are actually safer than missions.
why should they be moved when you can just move yourself?
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Joshua Lonestar
Perkone Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2015.08.28 15:34:45 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Joshua Lonestar wrote:As long as incursions exist in high sec its a hollow argument to say L5's need to stay in low sec due to the income.
Move'm to high sec or move incursions to low sec. But its silly to cry about someone wanting a L5 mission moved to high sec as long as you can make 100+ mil an hour on incursions. Lets be honest there....An EASY 100+ mil an hour with NO RISK. With SRP in place Incursions are actually safer than missions. why should they be moved when you can just move yourself?
I spelled it out very clearly. Go reread my post. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1402
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Posted - 2015.08.28 15:44:54 -
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i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves
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Joshua Lonestar
Perkone Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2015.08.28 16:12:07 -
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Lan Wang wrote:i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves
The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions.
The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only.
LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen.
So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s. |
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
715
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:02:46 -
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Joshua Lonestar wrote:Lan Wang wrote:i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions. The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only. LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen. So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s.
Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went.
And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them.
One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour.
So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward. |
Joshua Lonestar
Perkone Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2015.08.28 17:35:01 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Joshua Lonestar wrote:Lan Wang wrote:i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions. The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only. LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen. So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s. Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went. And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them. One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour. So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward.
Several players?! You dont say...Out of the tens of thousands in the game. I'm sold. L5s are the most active content in Eve based on a guy who knows a few people doing them.
So nerf the payout....20%. Give or take.
The point still remains, with all the other safe isk faucets out there having L5s in high sec just doesnt even make the radar for anyone who isnt wearing blinders. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
715
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Posted - 2015.08.28 21:34:11 -
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Joshua Lonestar wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Joshua Lonestar wrote:Lan Wang wrote:i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions. The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only. LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen. So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s. Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went. And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them. One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour. So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward. Several players?! You dont say...Out of the tens of thousands in the game. I'm sold. L5s are the most active content in Eve based on a guy who knows a few people doing them. So nerf the payout....20%. Give or take. The point still remains, with all the other safe isk faucets out there having L5s in high sec just doesnt even make the radar for anyone who isnt wearing blinders.
Dude, just get out of your safezone and take some risks. |
Joshua Lonestar
Perkone Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2015.08.28 21:42:54 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Joshua Lonestar wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Joshua Lonestar wrote:Lan Wang wrote:i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions. The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only. LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen. So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s. Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went. And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them. One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour. So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward. Several players?! You dont say...Out of the tens of thousands in the game. I'm sold. L5s are the most active content in Eve based on a guy who knows a few people doing them. So nerf the payout....20%. Give or take. The point still remains, with all the other safe isk faucets out there having L5s in high sec just doesnt even make the radar for anyone who isnt wearing blinders. Dude, just get out of your safezone and take some risks.
Hate to bust your bubble sunshine but I dont run missions anywhere in k space, and I dont do incursions. I dont have a dog in this fight other than to say its utterly silly to complain about the L5 payouts as long as incursions exist. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
716
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Posted - 2015.08.28 22:04:28 -
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Joshua Lonestar wrote: Hate to bust your bubble sunshine but I dont run missions anywhere in k space, and I dont do incursions. I dont have a dog in this fight other than to say its utterly silly to complain about the L5 payouts as long as incursions exist.
Incursion are not even feasibly comparable to L5s.
Everyone doesn't do sleeper sites in C5/6 WH, should those be moved to hisec? Going by your reasoning they should. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1508
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Posted - 2015.08.28 22:16:19 -
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eh why not... just nerf the hell out of the LP payout. Might bring some decent balance to the tag market.
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Dethlias
RCFNTDC
10
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Posted - 2015.08.28 23:56:08 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Joshua Lonestar wrote: Hate to bust your bubble sunshine but I dont run missions anywhere in k space, and I dont do incursions. I dont have a dog in this fight other than to say its utterly silly to complain about the L5 payouts as long as incursions exist.
Incursion are not even feasibly comparable to L5s. Everyone doesn't do sleeper sites in C5/6 WH, should those be moved to hisec? Going by your reasoning they should.
I stopped doing missions of any type and have lived in null and did all null profit including guristas missions so i have no stock in moving L5s to anywhere or even if they were removed. And my safezone is with dscan up.
That being said you are willfully ignorant of this guys argument. I suggest you re-read all his posts with your reading comprehension glasses on. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2015.08.29 01:25:22 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Joshua Lonestar wrote:Lan Wang wrote:i read your post but what is the point in moving stuff around when the player can easily just move themselves The heart of the argument against moving L5s is that it would be too easy for an individual to make isk by running :5s. Which completely ignores the fact Incursions will make as much and be even safer than missions. The argument is simply empty. Theres no good reason to not move L5s. If anything Incursions should be moved to low sec/null sec only. LS L5s already generate so little contact and interaction as to be insignificant Missioners simply arent pulling up stakes and moving to LS to run L5s in droves. No matter how much silly arguments there are about "Just move!" it aint gonna happen. So between the lack of movement and the already running HS isk faucets, there isnt a sensible reason not to move L5s. Incursions are a group activity. Running a L5 is not. L5s were in hisec at one point, player base complained the payout outweighed the risk (which it does), so to lowsec they went. And pray tell where do you get that L5s generate little contact? I know several people who run them. One L5 mission generates more isk than running an Incursion for an hour. Max skills will net an ~10mil isk plus 80K-90K LP. If you go by the standard LP rate of 1500isk/1LP, 90K LP comes out to 135mil isk. Good players can easily chain L5 missions and complete 2-3 an hour. So yeah, moving them back to hisec would make them unbalanced in the scheme of risk vs. reward.
Which NPC Faction/Empires gives you these LP/ISK ratio figures?
How long would it take you to run a Lev 5 with two Rattlers or two Paladins?
Is is worth it to loot/salvage lev 5s? If so, how good is the loot/salvage?
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2015.08.29 01:26:37 -
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oops double post |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
96
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Posted - 2015.08.29 01:27:43 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Lan Wang wrote:the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :) Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values? What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW. thats the problem with highsec carebears, the main concern for them is maxing everything, god forbid if another lvl 5 hub paid out more
LOL, yea you got me, I'M GREEDY!
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2015.08.29 01:36:31 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Lan Wang wrote:the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :) Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values? What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW.
You're kidding right? I've seen the videos on how much you can make using just two SBs in level 4 FW missions, not mentioning how good their LP stores are. With the risk involved, Level 5's can't compete.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1402
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Posted - 2015.08.29 07:47:30 -
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i dont think anything compares to fw missions tbh
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Arthur Aihaken
Chig
4603
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Posted - 2015.08.29 15:36:26 -
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You can make really good money with high-sec Incursions and occasionally insane money in Faction Warfare. That being said, I think most of the players in this thread are overlooking the obvious reason for L5 high-sec missions: The Challenge. Even if the ISK/LP payout in high-sec was considerably less than in low-sec players would still run these because they're simply more engaging than even the hardest L4s, and they're actually something teams of players would find challenging.
The vast majority of high-sec players will never be lured to low-sec no matter what carrots you try to entice them with, so the whole argument that high-sec L5s somehow diminish opportunities for low-sec players is moot.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
718
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Posted - 2015.08.30 00:12:06 -
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If you want a challenge, then do them in lowsec. What makes L5s more challenging is that there is the possibility that someone may try to subject you to unwanted pvp. The missions themselves are really not that hard. People use carriers or dual RR Domis to do them because it is quick, not because they are that hard. A Marauder can do them easily. There would be no bigger challenge by doing them in hisec.
If you want more challenging missions, then tell CCP to make more burner style missions.
If you want a challenge from EVE, then you should not be limiting yourself to just missions. PVP is the most challenging activity in this game. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2015.08.30 00:25:46 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:If you want a challenge, then do them in lowsec. What makes L5s more challenging is that there is the possibility that someone may try to subject you to unwanted pvp. The missions themselves are really not that hard. People use carriers or dual RR Domis to do them because it is quick, not because they are that hard. A Marauder can do them easily. There would be no bigger challenge by doing them in hisec.
If you want more challenging missions, then tell CCP to make more burner style missions.
If you want a challenge from EVE, then you should not be limiting yourself to just missions. PVP is the most challenging activity in this game.
It is also the most expensive and I don't like being broke. To me PVP is a rush, it's like a energized form of entertainment after a good days work, but it isn't something I'd want to do a whole lot of and especially not to make isk. To make isk you need to kill NPCs and atm for me, that is in doing missions. So I don't see any real reason for CCP to not make that aspect of the game more engaging for players not looking for PVP.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1517
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Posted - 2015.08.30 06:51:15 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Lan Wang wrote:the payout is around 95k lp, if you are use to highsec missions then every lvl 5 is worth running :) Yea that looks tempting, but for which faction/empire have the best LP/Isk ratio values? What does it matter? You are making more LP than someone in FW. You're kidding right? I've seen the videos on how much you can make using just two SBs in level 4 FW missions, not mentioning how good their LP stores are. With the risk involved, Level 5's can't compete. how well does that work when your side is in a low tier of FW?
@ChainsawPlankto
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Arthur Aihaken
Chig
4604
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Posted - 2015.08.30 11:04:08 -
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They should really call it GLAvP and not PvP. Gangs, Links and Alts vs. Player.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
718
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Posted - 2015.08.30 15:50:34 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:They should really call it GLAvP and not PvP. Gangs, Links and Alts vs. Player.
This is an MMO. To think there is such a thing as solo PVP where it is 1v1, means you are setting yourself up for failure. |
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