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Maykid Achilles
Scope Works
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Posted - 2015.08.02 20:28:43 -
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Hey ladies and gentlemen,
So I'm looking for a good Rattlesnake fit for running lvl 4 missions. I've used the domi before and loved it because of sentry drones and asked around and found out the Rattlesnake is the next best option to go with. So, right now my current fit is the following:
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II / Targeting Range Script Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Omnidirectional Tracking Link II / Optimal Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II / Optimal Range Script Large Micro Jump Drive
Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
2000x Scourge Cruise Missile 2000x Inferno Cruise Missile
3x Warden 3x Garde 5x Hobgoblins II
My question is do you guys think this would be good for lvl 4's, I personally haven't tried it out yet and I'm wondering if that's enough or if there is a different fit that works better for lvl 4's for a Rattlesnake.
Thanks in Advance,
Maykid |
Nosub Boomer
Sweaty Plums
17
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Posted - 2015.08.02 21:44:42 -
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Cannot see a shield booster on that fit anywhere, Unless you are range tanking that is... Rattler is a good L4 ship but it's not ideal for range sniping which is what you seem to have set it up for, There are no missile application rigs & if used at MJD range the target painter will not be completely reliable & you will not hit cruisers for anywhere near full damage, The explosive radius on the unbonused cruises will be as big as my ex-partners arse.
Plus you are giving away DPS by not using the full five launchers.
I use my Rattler as an in-your-face brawler with Rapid Heavies & Gecko drone, A job at which I feel it was born to do in my humble opinion, It's a monster.
That said, it will work with sentries & cruises but for the love of Jebus get some rigor rigs on there & get rid of the DLA in the high slots, Maybe add a shield booster but otherwise the general template is ok.
The Rattler is a great ship but it's not bonused for range or application with either drones or missiles.
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Motalula Mingetickler
Sweaty Plums
18
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Posted - 2015.08.02 21:44:42 -
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Cannot see a shield booster on that fit anywhere, Unless you are range tanking that is... Rattler is a good L4 ship but it's not ideal for range sniping which is what you seem to have set it up for, There are no missile application rigs & if used at MJD range the target painter will not be completely reliable & you will not hit cruisers for anywhere near full damage, The explosive radius on the unbonused cruises will be as big as my ex-partners arse.
Plus you are giving away DPS by not using the full five launchers.
I use my Rattler as an in-your-face brawler with Rapid Heavies & Gecko drone, A job at which I feel it was born to do in my humble opinion, It's a monster.
That said, it will work with sentries & cruises but for the love of Jebus get some rigor rigs on there & get rid of the DLA in the high slots, Maybe add a shield booster but otherwise the general template is ok.
The Rattler is a great ship but it's not bonused for range or application with either drones or missiles.
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Maykid Achilles
Scope Works
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Posted - 2015.08.02 22:37:11 -
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Do you have a fit for your rattlesnake you use? And what would you drop for a mid for a shield booster? |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
5816
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Posted - 2015.08.02 23:11:47 -
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I have managed L4s with almost that fit. Swap a DLA for another launcher.
Once in mission, keep the enemy at target/drone control range with creative use of MJD.
Between gank, range and resistances you won't need a booster. Just be careful about avoiding full-room aggro, take down largest targets first. Angel Thugs and Guristas long range missile spam are the only things you need to fear :)
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MT Dinkle
INFAMOUS DEVILS
0
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Posted - 2015.08.03 14:20:48 -
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what is your ingame name so i can show you a fit. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
410
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Posted - 2015.08.03 14:43:54 -
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MT Dinkle wrote:what is your ingame name so i can show you a fit. Better yet post it here to benefit others.
I am with Nosub Boomer here the Rattle is a great brawler for missions and that is the way I fly mine. If you want brawler fits let us know and we will post them, for now since you prefer range I will not clog up the forums.
Drop the target painter it will be worthless at the ranges you are going to be working at, I suggest replacing it with the new T2 guidance computer with the precision script to help reduce explosion radius and increase explosion velocity.
Drop one DLA for the 5th launcher is good idea.
With nothing to help boost regen rate on the shields I suggest using mission specific hardeners instead of Invuls for a little extra shield help.
With the stacking penalties when combined with the DDA's I would drop the sentry drone damage augmenter for either a rigor cat to reduce explosion radius or a purger to assist shields.
Unless you are carrying them for spares drop the 3rd warden and the 3rd garde and carry armor maint bots or maybe some mediums.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1506
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Posted - 2015.08.03 14:49:37 -
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MT Dinkle wrote:what is your ingame name so i can show you a fit.
ganknado isn't a rattlesnake tho ....... |
MT Dinkle
INFAMOUS DEVILS
0
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Posted - 2015.08.03 15:07:48 -
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whats a ganknado? |
Orlacc
922
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:39:40 -
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They make Arbalest IIs now? Man been away too long.
Best fit is the skills to fly it well.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Yolli Sly
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.08.04 08:22:15 -
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Rattlesnake (brawler): Low: Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Internal Force Field Array I
Middle: LMJD 100 MWD II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large (Medium) Shield Buster II
High: Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor I
Rigs: 2xLarge Core Defense Field Purger II 1xLarge Core Defense Field Extender II
Drone Bay: Gecko 2xCaldari Navy Warden 2xFederation Navy Garde 5xHobgoblin II
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
169
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Posted - 2015.08.04 11:47:11 -
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Why are you putting purgers on an active tanking fit?
Will gank for food
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Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
27
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Posted - 2015.08.04 14:34:58 -
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Jesus christ the cancer fits that have been posted here are ******* trash. Please kill yourselves. MWD and MJD? A god damn damage control for a shield mission ship? Using the Rattlesnake as a mission brawler? Rigor rigs? I haven't been smoking for years but the advice in this thread just gave me stage four cancer.
[Rattlesnake, RattleSnake PVE Full Damage ]
Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Gecko x1 Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5
That is the fit I use for Null sec Anoms/ Sigs and all wormhole sites up to C4 holes. Works just fine. if you're running missions (God I don't want to know why) You switch out the EM ward and Invuln field for resists that are appropriate to the mission that you're running. Simple stuff.
Q: "Oh but Pax there isn't any tank?!" A: Ah yes this is where the glory of the mobile depot comes in. You drop it when you warp in and you change your fit based on what you're up against. Switch to a full rack of Shield power relays for maximum tank. For maximum DPS you go to what I have posted. Only need some tank? Well then switch to 3 Shield power relays and 3 DPS lows. Holy **** running missions in low sec and you get ganked? Who gives a ****, switch to a full rack of warp core stabilizers and you're Gucci to just warp the **** out.
Q: "Oh but Pax I don't want to fit the Bling shield extenders" A: Then just use large shield extenders. Wow it's like rocket science. You can also bling your low slot DPS mods if you're a real man and really swimming in it from all the tricks your hoes bring in.
Q: "Oh but Pax I hate having to burn to acceleration gates that are far away" A: Then just switch to the Micro Warp Drive in your cargo bay.
Tarojan wrote:Why are you putting purgers on an active tanking fit?
Don't ask him for an excuse. Accept that he's a fool and move on. He has a damn shield extender rig on an active tank as well. Christ almighty give me strength. |
Paranoid Loyd
6496
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Posted - 2015.08.04 16:29:03 -
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Lol, so much ranting and you put up a garbage fit as well. Level 4 mission running is not running anoms/sigs.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
27
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Posted - 2015.08.04 19:32:49 -
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+1 for productive reply. |
Paranoid Loyd
6497
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Posted - 2015.08.04 20:08:11 -
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Sorry I didn't have time to be productive I wasted it all waiting for my Gecko to fly 80km to the target and my ship is still slow-boating to get in range as well.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
27
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Posted - 2015.08.04 20:15:36 -
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30 seconds or so? Assuming it has to fly 80 kms and not just like 10 from 1 rat to another? Again man +1 for productive reply. |
Paranoid Loyd
6497
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Posted - 2015.08.04 21:05:09 -
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I like how you dish out the obscure criticism and then sarcastically post about how others are doing the same thing. You sir took us down this road, not me.
Maybe if you fix your original shiptoast I will be more constructive.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
27
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Posted - 2015.08.04 21:19:47 -
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My post is fine. It states an idea to solve the problem the OP posted. You still haven't said anything about what's wrong with my fit other than the fact that you have to wait for drones to fly places.. But with a rattlesnake that's kind of unavoidable. Like seriously dude +1 for productive replies. You're like on a streak today. |
Paranoid Loyd
6497
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Posted - 2015.08.04 21:25:20 -
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Pax Deltari wrote:Jesus christ the cancer fits that have been posted here are ******* trash.
Please kill yourselves.
I haven't been smoking for years but the advice in this thread just gave me stage four cancer.
Accept that he's a fool and move on. If this is fine to you there is no point in discussing anything with you.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
27
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Posted - 2015.08.04 21:26:57 -
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+1 for productive replies. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3564
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Posted - 2015.08.04 22:46:15 -
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I like to put in one remote armor rep. You can fix your drones on the fly.
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Cu3ball
edge of darkness
10
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Posted - 2015.08.04 22:58:44 -
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I flew a Rattler for awhile until I got into a Golem. they are a lot of fun to fly. Here is the fit I used.
[Rattlesnake, Snake]
Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5 Gecko x1 Garde II x2 Bouncer II x2 Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x2000 Scourge Precision Cruise Missile x2000 Optimal Range Script x1
The booster is only about 75 mil and the afterburner I already had, so you can swap it for a T2 if you want. Total, I think this comes in at 500 mil. May not be the 'best' fit, but worked very well for me.
And before I get flamed for only 4 launchers, you dps comes from your drone. Dropping one launcher loses about 85 DPS but gains 20+ k drone control range. I liked the trade off. Swap if it makes you happy. :) |
Pax Deltari
R3d Fire
27
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Posted - 2015.08.04 22:59:22 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I like to put in one remote armor rep. You can fix your drones on the fly.
Thats a good idea. It helps to have a hull repper in your inventory as well that you could switch to in case you REALLY don't get your drones back in time. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4531
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Posted - 2015.08.05 01:04:19 -
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Just a few items to add... GÇó If you're running Geckos you'll want an omnidirectional tracking link scripted for tracking speed, otherwise they have a ***** of a time with frigates. GÇó If you're running cruise missiles, you'll want two T2 rigors and a T1 flare (the new missile stacking penalties make this combination more effective than three rigors). GÇó If you're running rapid heavies, a third BCU is going to be wasted for the most part since you get almost zero benefit from the increase to rate of fire. Rather, a MGE II will improve damage application as well as extend range (this also frees up your rig slots). And just run Faction ammo; T2 Fury or Precision isn't worth the range hit.
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Rita May
State War Academy Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2015.08.05 04:30:36 -
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Cu3ball wrote: ...
And before I get flamed for only 4 launchers, you dps comes from your drone. Dropping one launcher loses about 85 DPS but gains 20+ k drone control range. I liked the trade off. Swap if it makes you happy. :)
guess i'm doing something wrong, since i'm getting more DPS out of the launchers than the drones [Rattlesnake, Rattling] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Drone Navigation Computer II Republic Fleet Target Painter EM Ward Amplifier II 100MN Afterburner II
Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Gecko x1 Hornet EC-300 x5 Wasp II x2 Berserker II x2
Inferno Fury Cruise Missile x2500 Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x2105
may be the implants, that toon has some 5% missle ones stuck netting around 1.6k DPS, 830 from the cruises.
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Arthur Aihaken
Chig
4538
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Posted - 2015.08.06 23:09:34 -
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Rita May wrote:guess i'm doing something wrong, since i'm getting more DPS out of the launchers than the drones Sure, maybe on paper... You won't be applying full missile damage with just a single rigor.
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Rita May
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2015.08.07 07:30:01 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Rita May wrote:guess i'm doing something wrong, since i'm getting more DPS out of the launchers than the drones Sure, maybe on paper... You won't be applying full missile damage with just a single rigor. Ok, on a missile only ship i would use other rigs/more painters. But on the rattle i use the cruises against the BS & BC NPCs only, so no need for further application and a Gecko deals with the smaller stuff just fine. |
MrLahey
Viziam Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.08.18 09:20:36 -
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Pax Deltari wrote:Jesus christ the cancer fits that have been posted here are ******* trash. Please pod yourselves. MWD and MJD? A god damn damage control for a shield mission ship? Using the Rattlesnake as a mission brawler? Rigor rigs? I haven't been smoking for years but the advice in this thread just gave me stage four cancer. [Rattlesnake, RattleSnake PVE Full Damage ] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Drone Link Augmentor II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Large Core Defense Field Purger II Gecko x1 Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 That is the fit I use for Null sec Anoms/ Sigs and all wormhole sites up to C4 holes. Works just fine. if you're running missions (God I don't want to know why) You switch out the EM ward and Invuln field for resists that are appropriate to the mission that you're running. Simple stuff. Q: "Oh but Pax there isn't any tank?!" A: Ah yes this is where the glory of the mobile depot comes in. You drop it when you warp in and you change your fit based on what you're up against. Switch to a full rack of Shield power relays for maximum tank. For maximum DPS you go to what I have posted. Only need some tank? Well then switch to 3 Shield power relays and 3 DPS lows. Holy **** running missions in low sec and you get ganked? Who gives a ****, switch to a full rack of warp core stabilizers and you're Gucci to just warp the **** out. Q: "Oh but Pax I don't want to fit the Bling shield extenders" A: Then just use large shield extenders. Wow it's like rocket science. You can also bling your low slot DPS mods if you're a real man and really swimming in it from all the tricks your hoes bring in. Q: "Oh but Pax I hate having to burn to acceleration gates that are far away" A: Then just switch to the Micro Warp Drive in your cargo bay. Tarojan wrote:Why are you putting purgers on an active tanking fit? Don't ask him for an excuse. Accept that he's a fool and move on. He has a damn shield extender rig on an active tank as well. Christ almighty give me strength.
Christ that made me spit out my tea, lol thanks |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4588
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Posted - 2015.08.18 14:38:31 -
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Rita May wrote:Ok, on a missile only ship i would use other rigs/more painters. But on the rattle i use the cruises against the BS & BC NPCs only, so no need for further application and a Gecko deals with the smaller stuff just fine. If you're just sticking to larger targets, yeah - a single rigor is probably fine for Fury ammunition. You always have the option of switching to Precision for cruisers as well. Geckos are not bad against destroyers and cruisers, but I find that even with a tracking-speed scripted omni they miss against frigates quite a bit.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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