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Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1000
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Posted - 2015.08.06 20:42:09 -
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It has been concluded that no pilot or entity that has declared hostile intent to the Empire or the forces of PIE and CVA will be allowed in fleet or on field. The factors that might have allowed for this have become untenable and we strongly believe any truce would be doomed to failure.
For the safety of all parties involved, I urge everyone to keep away from the tower until the operation is complete. The important thing here is to make sure the tower goes down, and as we are the ones who began the attack, we will also finish it. If you value the lives of the slaves within the tower, I ask that no one disrupt this operation.
Thank you to all who would heed this. |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
520
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Posted - 2015.08.06 20:57:07 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:It has been concluded that no pilot or entity that has declared hostile intent to the Empire or the forces of PIE and CVA will be allowed in fleet or on field. The factors that might have allowed for this have become untenable and we strongly believe any truce would be doomed to failure.
For the safety of all parties involved, I urge everyone to keep away from the tower until the operation is complete. The important thing here is to make sure the tower goes down, and as we are the ones who began the attack, we will also finish it. If you value the lives of the slaves within the tower, I ask that no one disrupt this operation.
Thank you to all who would heed this. Meh, it sounded like janitorial work anyway.....
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Haruchai Khan
Metropolitan Police Service
118
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:18:37 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
For the safety of all parties involved, I urge everyone to keep away from the tower until the operation is complete. The important thing here is to make sure the tower goes down, and as we are the ones who began the attack, we will also finish it. If you value the lives of the slaves within the tower, I ask that no one disrupt this operation.
Thank you to all who would heed this.
A sensible recommendation, in my view. It strikes me as an internal matter for Amarrian forces/mental health services anyway.
The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
435
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:38:12 -
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I have been contacted by a representative of the SFRIM corporation indignant that her corporation's contribution to the Demon Summoning Tower's desecration was not noted in my announcement.
Let it be proclaimed, then, that SFRIM is among those slave lovers who value the welfare of a few thousand filthy Minmatar subhumans over the will of God, the Red God, the Blood God. |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
521
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:13:50 -
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Nauplius wrote:I have been contacted by a representative of the SFRIM corporation indignant that her corporation's contribution to the Demon Summoning Tower's desecration was not noted in my announcement.
Let it be proclaimed, then, that SFRIM is among those slave lovers who value the welfare of a few thousand filthy Minmatar subhumans over the will of God, the Red God, the Blood God. Good for them.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
843
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:25:38 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:It has been concluded that no pilot or entity that has declared hostile intent to the Empire or the forces of PIE, CVA and SFRIM will be allowed in fleet or on field. The factors that might have allowed for this have become untenable and we strongly believe any truce would be doomed to failure.
For the safety of all parties involved, I urge everyone to keep away from the tower until the operation is complete. The important thing here is to make sure the tower goes down, and as we are the ones who began the attack, we will also finish it. If you value the lives of the slaves within the tower, I ask that no one disrupt this operation.
Thank you to all who would heed this.
I have to admit, I find this... disturbing. If you want people to set aside their differences in order to oppose a common enemy - as many of you have called upon members of other Powers to do in order to oppose the Drifters - then you need to allow them to do so.
I've received assurances that I will not be fired upon if I arrive to assist with the tower. Me. A Goon. Consider this well: we just burned Amarr. We are still coming for Providence. And yet, you're more willing to tolerate my presence on the field so long as I'm not carrying a cyno for a 'goon hotdrop' than you are to tolerate the presence of the other group of people who will be most motivated to destroy this tower.
Are you mad?
Will I carry a cyno? Of course not. Would I bring in a goon hotdrop? Of course not. But I have less of a stake in this than the Ushra'khan. I have far less assistance to offer than the Ushra'khan. You have called on them to assist with the Drifters attack the military of the Amarr Empire, but you refuse to trust them when the lives of Matari slaves are at stake?
Are. You. MAD?
If you want others to assist with the true threats, extend your hand now and demonstrate to them that doing so will not simply gain them a bullet in the back when they've finished fighting for your Empress. Do it now. Do it before you cut yourself off from aid against the next Drifter incursion. I don't know if you've noticed, but they're getting bigger. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1006
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:32:51 -
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Actually, if you would have read the mail I sent you, you would find that those assurances have been retracted. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works
542
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:34:08 -
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It's like they said, they started it, they can finish it. So lets just let them do it and not make a scandal about it. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
843
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:40:11 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:Actually, if you would have read the mail I sent you, you would find that those assurances have been retracted.
And the decision to exclude militia wartargets and reds was not entirely up to us. A certain third party will be involving itself, it seems, and we will be unable to predict how they might behave. This is not a matter of stubbornness, this is a matter of prudence.
The mail you sent appeared to refer to any additional assets I might bring, rather than me specifically. Regardless, perhaps if you are going to make these appeals to others on behalf of the Amarr Empire, you should stand up to 'a certain third party'. Or at the very least, let those who are volunteering to assist know who that third party is, and what risk they run - and then reiterate assurances that you will not fire upon those who have arrived to assist you.
Let the dishonor and craven behavior stain those who engage in it. As it is, you do nothing but push away and insult those you have elsewhere asked to assist you. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1006
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:45:46 -
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We have notified all necessary parties. Again, this is for the best. Just let us do our job and next time Ushra'Khan can lead an operation and do things their way. |
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
326
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:51:01 -
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It's allright, little red. It is much as expected at this point and if you tried to get a PIE member, not to even mention leadership, to admit that they prefer to keep their hostility with the more dubious elements of their 24th to be on a vocal level only, over possibly having to act on it over their less dubious enemies their heads would explode.
They can't risk pissing off Pyre because that would assuredly lose them the war zone entirely and the gains from any interaction with us that doesn't involve orbiting buttons or opening fire isn't sufficiently tempting.
Especially when they've already gotten to say cooperation was an option but so very unfortunately because of reasons entirely out of their control, surely, it can not be. If nothing else, they know how to spin. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
845
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Posted - 2015.08.06 23:01:32 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:We have notified all necessary parties. Again, this is for the best. Just let us do our job and next time Ushra'Khan can lead an operation and do things their way.
I've received no such notification as to who might be likely to shoot me, should I assist. As you've asked for aid in other endeavours, and I can only assume these same individuals would shoot me under those circumstances. I know I'm just a Goon, but it would seem to me that honorable behavior would require that warning about your... friends'... intentions. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works
543
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Posted - 2015.08.06 23:07:19 -
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Help was offered, they declined. Where's the issue? Obviously all this has shown is beggers can infact be choosers. People turned away, just remember it next time a crisis happens or really anything that help is requested. Things like, say for instance sansha or drifter incursions can obviously be left in their capable hands and of course, those who's hands aren't too bloodied to be joined to theirs as a united front can and will gladly be extended. Right? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
848
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Posted - 2015.08.06 23:09:34 -
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There's no issue. They are, of course, free to decline assistance. But if they're going to claim that people have been informed of the dangers, then they should actually do so - and they should have it very clearly spelled out just why others may well ignore requests for assistance in the future. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works
543
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Posted - 2015.08.06 23:12:42 -
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It's OK, the issues are in capable hands. You have no worries to be burdened with. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
848
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Posted - 2015.08.06 23:17:49 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:You have no worries to be burdened with.
If only that were true.
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Deitra Vess
Scope Works
543
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Posted - 2015.08.06 23:18:41 -
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Nobody said words of comfort had to be..... |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
521
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Posted - 2015.08.06 23:33:17 -
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It's all cool. Like I said: the Amarrians are shoveling their own s**t for once. Let them.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1284
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Posted - 2015.08.07 00:09:09 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:They can't risk pissing off Pyre because that would assuredly lose them the war zone entirely and the gains from any interaction with us that doesn't involve orbiting buttons or opening fire isn't sufficiently tempting.
Respectfully, speaking as someone with absolutely no authority over anything much, and hopefully not talking out of turn, we've been known to work with TLF in temporary alliances. I don't think we make any kind of practice of turning on temporary allies.
That's not to say that I'm privy to any negotiations, but ... I'm not at all sure it's us?
(I do kind of think Nauplius' work is something our command staff would have trouble taking seriously, though.) |
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2270
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Posted - 2015.08.07 01:42:04 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Respectfully, and with me speaking as someone with absolutely no authority over anything much, and hopefully not talking out of turn: we've been known to work with the TLF in temporary alliances. I don't think we make any kind of practice of turning on temporary allies.
That's not to say that I'm privy to any negotiations, but ... I'm not at all sure it's us?
I do kind of think Nauplius' work is something our command staff would have trouble taking seriously, though.
I'd be going to the second muster - I helped out at the first and was looking forward to seeing it through! - but have been asked to not attend, specifically due to the attendance of PYRE. That seems sensible enough to me. I wouldn't want to cause an international incident or something!
I'll instead be setting up a trauma and recovery centre in the 24th Logistics station nearby. Those in the operation will be told where it is. We will be conducting secondary triage in cooperation with the Crusade Medical Corps and will be taking on all brain trauma, head trauma, and severe psychopathy/mental distress cases. Please route all evacuees of this nature to remote hospital LDMT Utuusi. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
853
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Posted - 2015.08.07 01:51:03 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Nobody said words of comfort had to be.....
If only that weren't true... |
Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
190
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Posted - 2015.08.07 01:58:48 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:It's all cool. Like I said: the Amarrians are shoveling their own s**t for once. Let them. Spoken like a beacon of U'K knowledge. Read up on your history young one.
Scherezad wrote:[...] will be taking on all brain trauma, head trauma, and severe psychopathy/mental distress cases. [...]. Should the Heretic responsible for all of this madness be apprehended, this may be vital.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
524
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Posted - 2015.08.07 04:09:32 -
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Ascentior wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:It's all cool. Like I said: the Amarrians are shoveling their own s**t for once. Let them. Spoken like a beacon of U'K knowledge. Read up on your history young one. It's your history I was commenting on. I know my history, Gramps.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
93
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Posted - 2015.08.07 04:20:43 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:It's all cool. Like I said: the Amarrians are shoveling their own s**t for once. Let them.
I think I am rather safe in saying the every one of the abominable towers this heretic has put up has almost certainly been dealt with by Amarrian task forces.
What constantly vexes me is the willing acceptance to leave the saving of those purported to be 'Your People' to those you so revile. Regardless of the hate filled cyclic rhetoric we could spew at one another we're only trying to save these people for this monstrous psychopath. |
Deitra Vess
Scope Works
546
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Posted - 2015.08.07 04:28:52 -
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Few of us offered to help and were turned away.... Should we risk their lives needlessly to prove a point to you? |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
524
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Posted - 2015.08.07 04:31:41 -
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Soren Tyrhanos wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:It's all cool. Like I said: the Amarrians are shoveling their own s**t for once. Let them. I think I am rather safe in saying the every one of the abominable towers this heretic has put up has almost certainly been dealt with by Amarrian task forces. What constantly vexes me is the willing acceptance to leave the saving of those purported to be 'Your People' to those you so revile. Regardless of the hate filled cyclic rhetoric we could spew at one another we're only trying to save these people for this monstrous psychopath. "Save" is a subjective term here. You'll still put them in chains until they develop Stockholm syndrome or their children have forgotten what it means to be Minmatar. As outright disgusting, vile, and delusional as Nauppie's practices are, they are actually the lesser of the two evils.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1285
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Posted - 2015.08.07 04:40:25 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:"Save" is a subjective term here. You'll still put them in chains until they develop Stockholm syndrome or their children have forgotten what it means to be Minmatar. As outright disgusting, vile, and delusional as Nauppie's practices are, they are actually the lesser of the two evils. Really?
... hm. I suppose that makes sense from a broad Matari perspective.
If I were one of the people Nauplius had in hand, though, I think I might be more enthusiastic about the greater evil. |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
524
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Posted - 2015.08.07 04:45:49 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:"Save" is a subjective term here. You'll still put them in chains until they develop Stockholm syndrome or their children have forgotten what it means to be Minmatar. As outright disgusting, vile, and delusional as Nauppie's practices are, they are actually the lesser of the two evils. Really? ... hm. I suppose that makes sense from a broad Matari perspective. If I were one of the people Nauplius had in hand, though, I think I might be more enthusiastic about the greater evil. Given what I saw of some of the colonies the Amarrians get their slaves from, I'd say you'd be mistaken. It's a lot of blood and screaming either way, Naups' just ends it sooner with a bit of dramatic flair.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1285
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Posted - 2015.08.07 05:11:35 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Given what I saw of some of the colonies the Amarrians get their slaves from, I'd say you'd be mistaken. It's a lot of blood and screaming either way, Naups' just ends it sooner with a bit of dramatic flair. You think they'd really rather be dead?
... um. Respectfully, if that's true, it's probably not too difficult to accomplish.
It seems like we've maybe seen two ends of a process: you at the beginning and me at the end. What's in between is something I wish I'd seen more of while staying with the Amarr.
Perhaps I'll get another chance. |
Anyanka Funk
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
195
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Posted - 2015.08.07 05:33:05 -
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Either way, tomorrow, the slaves will still be slaves. The Minmatar people are too weak to do anything about it per usual. The Sani Sabik, what there are of us, may not even raise a finger to help a weaker fellow believer. The Amarrians will continue to pick on the runts like Nauplius instead of doing anything about bigger threats like goons. |
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