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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2015.08.06 13:37:45 -
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Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites were more competetive?
And yes I really want to discuss the structure, nature and means of competitive HS exploration, (which I have demonstrated and done rather than try to complicatr individual posters in irrelevant rhetoric) all of which is pertinent and germane to OPs position as I see it.
I think OP would agree with me.
Tippia, my dear, despite years of effort, you still are not a mod. You dont have the authority to delineate what is ontopic and what isnt.
If you dont like my posts, nobody is forcing you to twist your knickers on them, especially as they are not even addressed to you.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.08.06 13:43:58 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites were more competetive? Excellent question, but not really the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is, to quote the OP:
Hal Morsh wrote:Now, back to the topic. Why was suspect removed from highsec sites.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:You dont have the authority to delineate what is ontopic and what isnt. Yes I do, by virtue of being able to read what the OP GÇö the one who created the topic GÇö says the topic is. It's not what you want it to be, which is why I'm suggesting that maybe a new thread on your preferred topic is in order. We've even tried to suggest this to the OP, but he just goes back to wanting to talk about his precious theft-triggered S-flags.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2015.08.06 13:59:33 -
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Your entire line of argument and attack is entirely off-topic. And I think that is deliberate on your part.
The topic is not to discuss whether its content is off-topic, which is the only thing you are doing. Catch 22 there, my dear Tippia.
My reading of OPs topic differs from yours, and I maintain it is germane and relevant to my own question in this thread:
Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites were more competetive?
OPs position obviously is he would want s-timer theft mechanics reinstated, so he agrees with this question as per his OP, and hence is relevant to it.
TLDR: The person shouting at others that they are off-topic, is infact themselves demonstrably persistently off-topic.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.08.06 14:06:53 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:My reading of OPs topic differs from yours So when the OP saysHal Morsh wrote:Now, back to the topic. Why was suspect removed from highsec sites. GǪyou read that as him asking about competition GÇö a word that appears nowhere in his description of the topic or in the OP GÇö rather than suspect flagging GÇö something that appears in almost every post he makes. That would explain a lot of the problems you're having with actually responding to what people say rather than to your feverish and wholly inaccurate dreams of what you wish they were saying.
There's a reason why I keep saying that you should stay away from the strawmen, you know. It's because you are utterly and completely incapable of not making them because you are very obviously functionally illiterate and have to make up nonsense to respond to on your own.
Quote:Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites were more competetive? What does that have to do with s-flagging? And why do you keep asking about a position that no-one in the thread holds (since it's not really a part of the topic)? Why can't you keep on topic or just create a thread that discusses what you want to discuss? The button is right there; just click that one insteadGǪ why is that so difficult for you?
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Austneal
5th Fleet Bilgewaters
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Posted - 2015.08.06 14:21:21 -
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Tippia wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:My reading of OPs topic differs from yours So when the OP says Hal Morsh wrote:Now, back to the topic. Why was suspect removed from highsec sites. GǪyou read that as him asking about competition GÇö a word that appears nowhere in his description of the topic or in the OP GÇö rather than suspect flagging GÇö something that appears in almost every post he makes. That would explain a lot of the problems you're having with actually responding to what people say rather than to your feverish and wholly inaccurate dreams of what you wish they were saying. There's a reason why I keep saying that you should stay away from the strawmen, you know. It's because you are utterly and completely incapable of not making them because you are very obviously functionally illiterate and have to make up nonsense to respond to on your own. Quote:Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites were more competetive? What does that have to do with s-flagging? And why do you keep asking about a position that no-one in the thread holds (since it's not really a part of the topic)? Why can't you keep on topic or just create a thread that discusses what you want to discuss? The button is right there; just click that one insteadGǪ why is that so difficult for you?
You're both off topic.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2015.08.06 14:29:12 -
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Tippia, after all these years, still pretending to be a moderator.
Me stating my reading of OPs position and core concern is not strawman, anymore than your attempt to frame your own reading of it is. We interpret it differently. I dont dispute ypur interpretation, but when all ypu do is yell "off topic" it rrally begs the question what you think you are achieving.
You must be great fun at parties yelling "off topic" at everyone around you :)
As a demonstrable result of your actions, this thread for the last two pages is you yelling "off-topic", when I have contributed and discussed specifically ontopic on the germane issues with several independant posters.
My question is simple, and related to OP.
Would it be so bad if HS data/relic nodes where more competetive?
This does not preclude OPs position that s-timers would be required. I have said directly that I am ambivalent on that, and have presented 2 options on how to make it more competetive, and outlined at length why more competetion would be a good thing.
Your best was some Sudoku model. Hmm...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.08.06 14:45:30 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Tippia, after all these years, still pretending to be a moderator. No. Still just demonstrating at least a level basic literacy, unlike you.
Quote:Me stating my reading of OPs position and core concern is not strawman I didn't say it was. That's just you reading what you want to read rather than what's actually written.
Quote:My question is simple, and related to OP. Your question is simple, at best tangential to the OP, and ultimately pointless since you're questioning a position no-one holds. Why is it so hard for you to discuss the actual topic GÇö you know, s-flagging? Why do you have such difficulties creating a thread to discuss the tangent you want to go on? Is it because your question has already been answered by everyone (except, funnily enough, the OP) and no-one is picking it up as a result, so you know that it such a thread would be DOA?
Hell, you only went on this pointless tangent because you desperately wanted to prove something I said was GÇ£falseGÇ¥, which you immediately failed to do GÇö as always GÇö because you failed to read what was actually written GÇö as always. Now you're clinging to it in an equally desperate attempt to prove your silly misreading was accurate, which you most likely will fail to do as wellGǪ
GǪor you could just go back on topic and discuss the reasons why s-flagging was removed from data/relic sites.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2015.08.06 15:21:07 -
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Tippia wrote:
GǪor you could just go back on topic and discuss the reasons why s-flagging was removed from data/relic sites.
Fair enough.
The opportunity for flagging was ultimately negated by the over-riding change that loot spew was removed and substituted with the loot remaining in the node specifically and inviolably for the original analyze process completer, for them to access and loot. No loot spew + inviolable access to the nodes loot= S-timer no longer exists.
The reason for this was primarily because loot spew was pissing off enormous amounts of explorers (for various reasons, most of which I dont agree with, but is not important here, but which I can elaborate on at length if asked).
Fair enough answer?
Now that that is out of the way, may I ask to indulge the readers, with the benefit of what has already been said in this thread, to consider the following question:
Would it be so bad if HS data/relic nodes were more competetive?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.08.06 15:27:54 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Fair enough answer? Yes. We already knew all of that.
Quote:Would it be so bad if HS data/relic nodes were more competetive? No-one has argued that it would be.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2015.08.06 15:31:45 -
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Tippia wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Fair enough answer? Yes. We already knew all of that. Quote:Would it be so bad if HS data/relic nodes were more competetive? No-one has argued that it would be.
Ok.
Then as I already presented earlier, how can we achieve that?
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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
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Posted - 2015.08.06 15:35:35 -
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There was no criminal flagging with the loot spew mechanic, it was whoever grabbed the pinata candy first after it exploded got the sweets free and clear.
Even without a competitor there it was way too twitchy and frustrating and you missed most of the loot.
The only thing that's changed is there is no spew. The competition is on the hacking itself if you get there in time before the other guy.
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P3ps1 Max
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.08.06 15:36:14 -
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Better yet ... mind your own business and stay in Null. 'We' High SEC players are doing very well thank you very much. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2015.08.06 18:18:29 -
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Welll, thread dead.
As it stands, HS data sites are about 1 mil/can + BPs. Its enough to keep em interested and get some bankroll.
HS relic sites however, did the dodo.
Its good, safe experience for new players to tune their probing, skill up and learn abit about builds before they venture further out. Also helps clear out data sites off my sig list for combat sigs so Im happy for that. Always a silver lining, my friends.
I just think it could be a bit better, but its not exactly a priority.
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Hal Morsh
Delusions of Granduer Two Drink Minimum
370
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Posted - 2015.08.06 20:52:57 -
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Tippia wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Cypherous wrote:You know where this is going :P Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites where more competetive? What does that have to do with anything he said? Really, I have to ask, what is it with your fascination to ask completely unrelated and tangential questions to people who aren't discussing the same thing you are? Why do you feel this constant need to drag the conversation off topic?
He said "EXACTLY" what I was thinking. So **** off.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25525
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:03:14 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:He said "EXACTLY" what I was thinking. So **** off. Non sequitur. You weren't even part of the conversation, so why should I **** off for asking about the lack of connection between what Cypherous and Salvos said?
Oh, and if you were thinking about making the sites more competitive, why didn't you latch on to that when it was brought up and instead kept harping on about the unrelated s-flagging?
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Hal Morsh
Delusions of Granduer Two Drink Minimum
370
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:08:19 -
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Tippia wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:He said "EXACTLY" what I was thinking. So **** off. Non sequitur. You weren't even part of the conversation, so why should I **** off for asking about the lack of connection between what Cypherous and Salvos said? In fact, your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in the context of that quote. What the hell are you even on about?! Oh, and if you were thinking about making the sites more competitive, why didn't you latch on to that when it was brought up and instead kept harping on about the unrelated s-flagging? Hell, you explicitly, aggressively, and immediately dismissed this aspect when it was first brought up. Why the sudden change of hearts? Could it be that your initial idea was so thoroughly dismantled that you now have to try to hide behind the non-argument someone else brought upGǪ hmm?
Quoting it in case you change it
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Hal Morsh
Delusions of Granduer Two Drink Minimum
370
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:09:56 -
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Tippia wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:You dont have the authority to delineate what is ontopic and what isnt. Yes I do, by virtue of being able to read what the OP GÇö the one who created the topic GÇö says the topic is. It's not what you want it to be, which is why I'm suggesting that maybe a new thread on your preferred topic is in order. We've even tried to suggest this to the OP, but he just goes back to wanting to talk about his precious theft-triggered S-flags.
Tippia wrote:Hal Morsh wrote: Trying to derail the topic and point it towards me by repeatedly throwing your opinion at "suspect flag ineptitude" means I am done with talking to you.
No. Trying to make you understand what it is you're talking about. Without such an understanding, you don't even know what the rails in question look like.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:10:25 -
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No, really, why the change of hearts? Use your words, not your tearful blubbering.
Quote:Better quote it before you change it. Sorry, what you said was already quoted and changing it won't help you now. Now, could you answer the question?
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Hal Morsh
Delusions of Granduer Two Drink Minimum
370
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:18:14 -
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Tippia wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Whats wrong with asking an interested party:
"Would it be bad if HS data/relic sites where more competetive?" It's off-topic. Now, I understand that you really want to discuss the structure, nature, and means of competition in highsec exploration, and that's an interesting topic, but it's a topic for a different thread. Maybe you should start one.
Hal Morsh wrote:Stop making highsec safer in the dumbest of ways. When exploration GETS crowded, fighting between each other for the loot is one way to take care of things, but uhm no.... We can't.
It was always about competition in highsec exploration.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:25:01 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:It was always about competition in highsec exploration. So why did you explicitly, aggressively, and immediately dismissed this aspect when it was first brought up? Why were you so hung up on the unrelated s-flagging? Why was you only mention of competition a claim that wasn't even true to begin with?
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Hal Morsh
Delusions of Granduer Two Drink Minimum
370
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:36:17 -
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Tippia wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:It was always about competition in highsec exploration. So why did you explicitly, aggressively, and immediately dismissed this aspect when it was first brought up?
Are you going to keep spinning the merry go round?
Hal Morsh wrote:You either commit an act that gets you indefinitely Concorded or nothing at all.
S-flagging relates to combat in exploration. That S-flagging theft was something you could do when loot spew existed.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:37:09 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Are you going to keep spinning the merry go round? Are you going to answer the question?
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Hal Morsh
Delusions of Granduer Two Drink Minimum
370
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:43:33 -
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When someone hacked a container, anyone waiting around in the site could nab loot and go suspect like looting ship wrecks. Then creating content if someone took action against him, and either the theif or the hacker has come prepared to explode the other. Of course the hacker has to initiate combat against the theif but that isn't to say the theif isn't prepared to fight back. it's an either/or situation.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:50:01 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:When someone hacked a container, anyone waiting around in the site could nab loot and go suspect like looting ship wrecks. Then creating content if someone took action against him, and either the theif or the hacker has come prepared to explode the other. Of course the hacker has to initiate combat against the theif but that isn't to say the theif isn't prepared to fight back. it's an either/or situation. I'm sorry, I thought the thread was about competition in the site, not s-flagging. Are you changing your mind again?
If we're back to the whole theft bit, could you instead answer the question of why this harvesting should differ so drastically from the other types? Why isn't the existing content of the type you're asking for sufficient GÇö why do things have to be changed to be entirely in your favour?
Quote:My main issue is why did CCP remove it? This has already been answered: because it was inconsistent and unnecessary.
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Hal Morsh
Delusions of Granduer Two Drink Minimum
370
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:00:04 -
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Tippia wrote: I'm sorry, I thought the thread was about competition in the site, not s-flagging. Are you changing your mind again?
If we're back to the whole theft bit, could you instead answer the question of why this harvesting should differ so drastically from the other types? Why isn't the existing content of the type you're asking for sufficient GÇö why do things have to be changed to be entirely in your favour?
It's about competition and s-flagging combat at the same time.
Read this
http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=129&t=67703#p594687
So if it's all about being in "my" favor. Am I the loki? Or the Heron?
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:15:50 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:It's about competition and s-flagging combat at the same time. So why are you only focusing on one of those two? The one that makes the least sense?
Quote:So if it's all about being in "my" favor. Am I the loki? Or the Heron? No GǣifGǥ. It is in your favour per your previous examples (where you took on the role of the heron in that threadGǪ or are you changing your mind about that too?). I'm guessing you've not read up on how s-flagging works yet since you still don't understand the blatantly obvious advantage you're asking for in those situations?
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Hal Morsh
Delusions of Granduer Two Drink Minimum
370
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:22:41 -
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Tippia wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:It's about competition and s-flagging combat at the same time. So why are you only focusing on one of those two? The one that makes the least sense? Quote:So if it's all about being in "my" favor. Am I the loki? Or the Heron? No GǣifGǥ. It is in your favour per your previous examples (where you took on the role of the heron in that threadGǪ or are you changing your mind about that too?). I'm guessing you've not read up on how s-flagging works yet since you still don't understand the blatantly obvious advantage you're asking for in those situations?
It wasn't me in that thread I googled it, and why is the heron in favor?
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:26:20 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:It wasn't me in that thread I googled it Like I said: per your previous examples, you took on the role of the heron in that thread.
Quote:why is the heron in favor? Because that's how s-flagging works. That's why I've been imploring you to read up on the mechanic before you make suggestions centred around it.
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Hal Morsh
Delusions of Granduer Two Drink Minimum
370
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:34:22 -
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Tippia wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:It wasn't me in that thread I googled it Like I said: per your previous examples, you took on the role of the heron in that thread. I havn't said which role I took, you assumed, and you still havn't told me which I am yet. Quote:why is the heron in favor? Because that's how s-flagging works. That's why I've been imploring you to read up on the mechanic before you make suggestions centred around it.
Okay, I know the mechanic, you are saying the Heron is in favor, why? You don't explain the mechanic at all, you just assumed the heron won the argument. Do I have to explain the aggression flags, so you can't explain why but just tell me I don't know again?
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:43:10 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Okay, I know the mechanic No. I say this with confidence becauseGǪQuote:you are saying the Heron is in favor, why? GǪyou keep asking this question, even though it is a direct consequence of how the mechanic works. It is particularly evident in relation to the option you keep refusing to use: the engage in and with the same content and activities in the situations where they already work the way you want them to work.
I don't explain the mechanic because I want you to look it up and demonstrate a sliver of ability to read, understand, and learn. As long as you keep insisting that you do know how it works, I will definitely not explain it to you, but rather keep ribbing you when you immediately afterwards demonstrate such confusion about a very fundamental part of it all.
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