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Muckle
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Posted - 2006.12.05 09:49:00 -
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Can anyone put me straight on the new gang system. Before patch, starting a gang with another corp member in space in same system gave me a jump (8%) in shield capacity, as given by relative seige skill he had trained to L4, Since patch, i see no change when gang is started, even if either of us is 'Boss'? Dont tell me i need another new skill
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Jameroz
Independent Frontiers Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:18:00 -
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You have to convert your gang to fleet and then assign the person with the gang skill as squadron commander. I believe he needs to have atleast Leadership 1 too which enables him to have 2 guys in his squadron.
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Vladikov Orrico
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Posted - 2006.12.05 15:35:00 -
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There is a great post in the Dev Blog area called
"Gang of New Eden" that details the new gang setup awesome.
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Anti Protagonist
Gallente Archron Dusyfe Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:57:00 -
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One thing that's not covered in that post (at least not that I saw) is that you don't have to have any skills to lead a fleet/wing/squadron, you just don't provide any bonuses if you don't. i.e. With Wing Command 3 and Leadership 5 (and some levels in the bonus giving skills) I can command either a squadron of 10, or 3 squadrons under a wing and provide bonuses to their members. However, I can also command a fleet or a fourth squadron under my wing if I want, I just won't provide any bonuses. I learned this through trial and error on a mining op last week. The only thing I am unsure of is if a wing commander provides bonuses to a squadron if it doesn't have a commander or has an unqualified commander (i.e. not enough leadership ranks for the number of people). It should, but I don't know that it does.
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Vladikov Orrico
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Posted - 2006.12.05 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Vladikov Orrico on 05/12/2006 20:38:20 As far as I am aware, if you were wing commander and had more than 1 squadron active, you would have to have someone in the roles of Squadron Commander (that are qualified to lead a Squadron w/bonus) for each squad to get any bonus' you have that can be passed down to them.
Wing Command allows you to lead multiple Squadrons with your bonus' (# of Squadrons dependant on your WC skill level) but it in no way allows you to take the place of the normal Squadron Commanders.
Of course if you are a Wing Commander only in charge of 1 Squadron....just make yerself Squad Commander...no need for Wing Command in that instance.
I hope I understood your question correctly.
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Anti Protagonist
Gallente Archron Dusyfe Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.05 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Anti Protagonist on 05/12/2006 20:52:30
Originally by: Vladikov Orrico Edited by: Vladikov Orrico on 05/12/2006 20:38:20 As far as I am aware, if you were wing commander and had more than 1 squadron active, you would have to have someone in the roles of Squadron Commander (that are qualified to lead a Squadron w/bonus) for each squad to get any bonus' you have that can be passed down to them.
Wing Command allows you to lead multiple Squadrons with your bonus' (# of Squadrons dependant on your WC skill level) but it in no way allows you to take the place of the normal Squadron Commanders.
Of course if you are a Wing Commander only in charge of 1 Squadron....just make yerself Squad Commander...no need for Wing Command in that instance.
I hope I understood your question correctly.
That seems to make sense in how it would work, but I've found that "make sense" is not necessarily the case. All I was saying is that I haven't actually tried it. Well, I have, I just didn't really think about it and look at the result. On the mining op we ended up getting a squad too big for the person leading it and I can't recall if the Wing Bonuses were still applying to the squad members or not.
As far as having a wing with only one squad. It's good in cases where there are two people capable of giving bonues and the bonuses given are different. In my case, I give bonsues across the board except to mining. So I take the wing command and give our miner with the mining bonuses squad command. That way when our mining group grows past 10, I move the haulers and defenders out into a new squadron, since they don't need the mining bonuses anyway, and they can still get my bonuses. Not that I can actually command three squadrons, I'll probably divde up miners/haulers/defenders into their own squadrons for the ops.
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Anti Protagonist
Gallente Archron Dusyfe Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.07 16:29:00 -
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To follow-up on my previous post. I tried it last night and when the squadron commander left system/docked, the squadron continued to recieve my wing bonuses.
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Vladikov Orrico
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Posted - 2006.12.07 20:33:00 -
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Thats great news. I was wondering how they would handle large fleet movement from system to system in regards to the Wing/Fleet bonus'
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Brad Stone
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Brad Stone on 11/12/2006 07:49:18 It doesn't seem to work for mining director skill with mining laser optimization ganglink fitted on a ferox. If the bc pilot is squad commander, then the miners get the reduced cycle time. However, if he's wing commander, (with suffcicent skill to lead - i.e. has a green square) then the cycle times drop back to 180 seconds - both with and without qualified squad commanders in place
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TanSpectra
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Posted - 2006.12.11 12:19:00 -
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Its a bit funny the way it works but I think you have to have squadren commanders to pass the bonus's down from wing commander to the squads.
What is interesting is the wing commander gets his own bonus's even in a 2 man fleet, also if the 'squadie' has bonus's the wing commander gets those, but in both cases the squad member doesnt.
This means that if you formed a 3 man fleet and gave the squad leader possition to the person with the most skills the bonus's would most likely pass up and down. wouldnt effect any ajacent squads I dont think.
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Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
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Posted - 2006.12.11 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: TanSpectra Its a bit funny the way it works but I think you have to have squadren commanders to pass the bonus's down from wing commander to the squads.
What is interesting is the wing commander gets his own bonus's even in a 2 man fleet, also if the 'squadie' has bonus's the wing commander gets those, but in both cases the squad member doesnt.
This means that if you formed a 3 man fleet and gave the squad leader possition to the person with the most skills the bonus's would most likely pass up and down. wouldnt effect any ajacent squads I dont think.
Just wondering about what you say here. When I heard of the changes coming in patch I was I little disapointed because I myself I have trained alot r leaderships skills although I often only run in a gang with one other person, while I have trained some leader ship skill my corp M8 has trained anouther branch of the leaderships skills. I havn't paid that much attention to the bonuses to see what I'm getting and not getting, but has anyone noticed if One person(A) has the skill to be a wing commander and X leadership skills w/ X gang mod, while the other person(B)the skills be a Squad commander and Y leader ship w/ Y gang mod, does person B get Leader ship skills X and Y, w/ gang bonuses X and Y as well?
I just havn't bothered with Gang mods since patch because I though they were usless for me since patch.
Thanks
Jet
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Satal Sonshi
Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.11 23:05:00 -
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These are pulled directly from the Dev Blog:
Quote: A group without a commander is deemed as inactive because one of the following happened:
* There are not enough members in the system for this group. * The commander is not in the same system as the rest of his group. * The commander of the group is in a pod or docked.
When the group is inactive no bonuses are received from the group's commander.
Self-explanatory :)
Quote: Commanders can only give gang bonuses and receive their own bonuses but can not receive bonuses from other commanders or normal members. A normal Squad Member how ever can receive bonuses from three possible parties: his Squad Commander, his Wing Commander or the daddy Fleet Commander himself.
This means to me that you and your friend cannot mix & match your bonuses anymore.
I'm not 100% on this part, but I think that you *CAN* mix&match them for your squad members. So, if you had ten squad guys + you (wing command) + your buddy (squad leader), the members would get all sets of bonuses; but you and your buddy would only get your own personal bonuses.
To be honest, I have NO IDEA why they would make that caveat about any commander's persons not getting bonuses from the upper tier. Sounds to me like it has something to do with forcing people into squadrons? Anyhow, good luck out there :)
-= Satal =-
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Anti Protagonist
Gallente Archron Dusyfe Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.12 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Satal Sonshi I'm not 100% on this part, but I think that you *CAN* mix&match them for your squad members. So, if you had ten squad guys + you (wing command) + your buddy (squad leader), the members would get all sets of bonuses; but you and your buddy would only get your own personal bonuses.
To be honest, I have NO IDEA why they would make that caveat about any commander's persons not getting bonuses from the upper tier. Sounds to me like it has something to do with forcing people into squadrons? Anyhow, good luck out there :)
-= Satal =-
A dev later stated that the squad commander only getting his own bonuses was a technical limitation that would be addressed in the future.
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Epidemis
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:13:00 -
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So if I create a fleet of 2 persons and make myself fleet commander, do I get the bonuses from my own leader skills?
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Satal Sonshi
Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 08:59:00 -
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"Technical Limitation"? That's awesome! Well then, I await the downtime patch ;)
Originally by: Epidemis So if I create a fleet of 2 persons and make myself fleet commander, do I get the bonuses from my own leader skills?
As long as you make yourself the squadron commander (right-click yourself in the overview, and use the 'move member' menu), then the answer is most likely YES.
-= Satal =-
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Nvali
Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:23:00 -
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Bonuses stop trickling down as soon as there is a position that doesn't have an effective commander. So if you make a 2 man gang, you want to be squad commander, not fleet commander. That way the bonus will reach the 2nd person, rather than failing to be passed on by not having an effective wing commander. ---
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Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
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Posted - 2006.12.14 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nvali Bonuses stop trickling down as soon as there is a position that doesn't have an effective commander. So if you make a 2 man gang, you want to be squad commander, not fleet commander. That way the bonus will reach the 2nd person, rather than failing to be passed on by not having an effective wing commander.
This does not seem to hold true. This is what I have seem: Note not tested with Gang mods)
Gang leader stays as Fleet commander but moves second member to Wind Commander. Bother Characters get bonuse to shields. ie the leadership skill that the gang leader has.
Ok if Gang leader moved to Squadleader Possition, same bonuses however now I can not warp gang... Bug??
I know i should really sit down and test this all but I'm to lazy ;). But my character and my corp M* have several mil in leaderships skills its quite a waist if we don't get the bonuses from both anymore :(
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Taikun
Gallente Reaver Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.24 01:38:00 -
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Just so I am 100% on this.
Assume you have a wing commander, squadron commander and squad members. All with appropriate skills and working correctly. (Green light for all.)
The squad member will get both the wing and squadron commanders bonuses. I.e they stack.
The squadron commander will receive his own bonuses.
The wing commander will receive his own bonuses.
Correct?
Taikun
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Retromash
Minmatar Order of the Lamp
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Posted - 2007.01.24 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Retromash on 24/01/2007 14:35:25 A qualified FC will give her bonus's to her WC's.
A qualified WC will pass on a qualified FC's bonus and add her own bonus's to her SC's.
A qualified SC will pass on a qualified WC's bonus's (and FC's bonus's where a qualified WC exists) and give her bonus to her Squad Members.
Leadership at V for the position of Squad Leader. Wing Commander at I for the position of Wing Commander MINIMUM. Fleet Command at I for the position of Fleet Commander MINIMUM.
Gang effects don't stack. The strongest effect overrides all others lower in the chain. So the higher up the chain the person with skills is, the more people can receive the bonus.
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2007.01.22 01:23 Training of the skill Fleet Command to level 2 has been completed.
Testing will continue. I have not yet dealt with a Fleet mining op, so I'm not certain of the proper cascade of mining bonus's.
edit: italicized PMS - It's not just for THAT time of the month
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TwistofHate
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Posted - 2007.02.04 16:54:00 -
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Ok, that makes sense, but what happens if the wing commander has only lvl2 in Wing Commander and has 3 squads under him (red light) do ANY of his skills cascade down at all (maybe 2 of the gangs) or do they ALL stop being applied because he's gone over his skill level?
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Retromash
Minmatar Order of the Lamp
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Posted - 2007.02.05 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: TwistofHate Ok, that makes sense, but what happens if the wing commander has only lvl2 in Wing Commander and has 3 squads under him (red light) do ANY of his skills cascade down at all (maybe 2 of the gangs) or do they ALL stop being applied because he's gone over his skill level?
The little red lights say it all, if the WC has more squads under him than his skill level, there's no bonus.
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TwistofHate
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Posted - 2007.02.14 10:28:00 -
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That's what i would have presumed but if set myself as Fleet Commander (which i DON'T have the skill for) my friend, who is just a grunt (lowest tier) ... why do we both get all my bonuses ??
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