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Flick Narbotan
Deep Deep Derps
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Posted - 2015.08.04 21:53:10 -
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Pretty simple really, is there any role that the Taranis fills that isn't better filled by either the Comet or the Ares? Some frantic EFTing hasn't come up with any fit that outperforms alternate hulls.
Perhaps it's not just the Taranis, but all the combat interceptors that are underpowered. |
Paranoid Loyd
6497
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Posted - 2015.08.04 22:15:16 -
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If travel through null sec it is pretty simple to see why they are far from obsolete.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Flick Narbotan
Deep Deep Derps
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Posted - 2015.08.04 22:19:01 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:If travel through null sec it is pretty simple to see why they are far from obsolete.
For combat, or just as dic-nullified taxis? |
Paranoid Loyd
6497
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Posted - 2015.08.04 22:27:20 -
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The word combat is highly subjective, but yes to both.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Flick Narbotan
Deep Deep Derps
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Posted - 2015.08.04 22:41:54 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:The word combat is highly subjective, but yes to both.
Can you expand on that with fits and tactics at all? I'm genuinely eager to learn about how people are using these ships. |
Paranoid Loyd
6497
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Posted - 2015.08.04 22:50:22 -
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Popular Tactic
Fits
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Ahed Sten
73
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Posted - 2015.08.04 23:04:17 -
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Taranis was my favorite wardeccing frig for quite a while. IIRC 315 heated dps with a dual prop. All you need for tank is a DCU. Grab on, don't let go and beat the **** out of that poor guy while you wait for backup. Or just kill him yourself cause you have great dps.
[Taranis]
Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II
Warp Scram II Afterburner II MWD II
Magnetic Field Stab II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II
Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Burst Aerator II
Hobgoblin II |
Flick Narbotan
Deep Deep Derps
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Posted - 2015.08.04 23:06:08 -
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Is the Trollceptor thing specifically good with the Taranis hull, or do other Ceptors do the job as well or better? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11134
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Posted - 2015.08.04 23:13:34 -
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Nope, fantastic fun little ship to fly, fairly useful.
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Flick Narbotan
Deep Deep Derps
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Posted - 2015.08.04 23:14:18 -
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Ahed Sten wrote:Taranis was my favorite wardeccing frig for quite a while. IIRC 315 heated dps with a dual prop. All you need for tank is a DCU. Grab on, don't let go and beat the **** out of that poor guy while you wait for backup. Or just kill him yourself cause you have great dps.
[Taranis]
Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II
Warp Scram II Afterburner II MWD II
Magnetic Field Stab II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II
Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Burst Aerator II
Hobgoblin II
I'm afraid the Comet outperforms that fit in every way:
[Federation Navy Comet, K] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot]
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
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Flick Narbotan
Deep Deep Derps
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Posted - 2015.08.04 23:16:15 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Nope, fantastic fun little ship to fly, fairly useful.
For what role, though, and does it outperform other similar hulls in that role? |
Paranoid Loyd
6498
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Posted - 2015.08.04 23:41:58 -
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Flick Narbotan wrote:I'm afraid the Comet outperforms that fit in every way 3 points of warp speed is very helpful if you are trying to intercept over multiple jumps. A much smaller sig bloom when using the MWD is also very helpful when you have little or no tank.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11135
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Posted - 2015.08.04 23:42:52 -
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Flick Narbotan wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Nope, fantastic fun little ship to fly, fairly useful. For what role, though, and does it outperform other similar hulls in that role? Hint: it has drones
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Ahed Sten
73
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Posted - 2015.08.04 23:59:41 -
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Flick Narbotan wrote:Ahed Sten wrote:Taranis was my favorite wardeccing frig for quite a while. IIRC 315 heated dps with a dual prop. All you need for tank is a DCU. Grab on, don't let go and beat the **** out of that poor guy while you wait for backup. Or just kill him yourself cause you have great dps.
[Taranis]
Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II
Warp Scram II Afterburner II MWD II
Magnetic Field Stab II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II
Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Burst Aerator II
Hobgoblin II I'm afraid the Comet outperforms that fit in every way: [Federation Navy Comet, K] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I 5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Without taking the time to EFT it up and see where you're wrong...
1. No dual prop, which is absolutely necessary in the line of work that I said I used it for. 2. The Comet doesn't look like a one-eyed pirate so there's also that. 3. No drones. |
Flick Narbotan
Deep Deep Derps
24
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Posted - 2015.08.05 00:03:28 -
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Ahed Sten wrote:Flick Narbotan wrote:Ahed Sten wrote:Taranis was my favorite wardeccing frig for quite a while. IIRC 315 heated dps with a dual prop. All you need for tank is a DCU. Grab on, don't let go and beat the **** out of that poor guy while you wait for backup. Or just kill him yourself cause you have great dps.
[Taranis]
Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II
Warp Scram II Afterburner II MWD II
Magnetic Field Stab II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II
Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Burst Aerator II
Hobgoblin II I'm afraid the Comet outperforms that fit in every way: [Federation Navy Comet, K] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I 5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Without taking the time to EFT it up and see if you're wrong... 1. No dual prop, which is absolutely necessary in the line of work that I said I used it for. 2. The Comet doesn't look like a one-eyed pirate so there's also that.
Sorry, that should have been with an AB instead of a web. But it still fits, and it still outperforms the Taranis.
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Ahed Sten
73
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Posted - 2015.08.05 00:17:27 -
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Flick Narbotan wrote:Ahed Sten wrote:Flick Narbotan wrote:Ahed Sten wrote:Taranis was my favorite wardeccing frig for quite a while. IIRC 315 heated dps with a dual prop. All you need for tank is a DCU. Grab on, don't let go and beat the **** out of that poor guy while you wait for backup. Or just kill him yourself cause you have great dps.
[Taranis]
Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II
Warp Scram II Afterburner II MWD II
Magnetic Field Stab II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II
Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Burst Aerator II
Hobgoblin II I'm afraid the Comet outperforms that fit in every way: [Federation Navy Comet, K] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I 5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Without taking the time to EFT it up and see if you're wrong... 1. No dual prop, which is absolutely necessary in the line of work that I said I used it for. 2. The Comet doesn't look like a one-eyed pirate so there's also that. Sorry, that should have been with an AB instead of a web. But it still fits, and it still outperforms the Taranis.
Curious, will have to take a look. |
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
3544
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Posted - 2015.08.05 01:15:44 -
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Flick Narbotan wrote:Ahed Sten wrote:Taranis was my favorite wardeccing frig for quite a while. IIRC 315 heated dps with a dual prop. All you need for tank is a DCU. Grab on, don't let go and beat the **** out of that poor guy while you wait for backup. Or just kill him yourself cause you have great dps.
[Taranis]
Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II
Warp Scram II Afterburner II MWD II
Magnetic Field Stab II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II
Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Burst Aerator II
Hobgoblin II I'm afraid the Comet outperforms that fit in every way: [Federation Navy Comet, K] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I 5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
His fit is both dual prop and has a fraction of the sig when MWDing. Yours does not outclass it in every way - I'd rather fly his ship because of its flexible nature and ability to GTFO. They're both squishy as hell though, I wouldn't fly either one over my usual fits. |
Damnskippy
Mad Bombers Hashashin Cartel
73
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Posted - 2015.08.05 01:31:57 -
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Because I prefer neutron blasters
[Taranis, dual prop]
Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I 5MN Microwarpdrive II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S [Empty High slot]
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Warrior II x2 Void S x240
Dual prop has always just seemed the best way to run a taranis in null sec. The target selection is much larger with both prop mods as an option. And being an interceptor it has one of the best advantages. You can pretty much pick your fights. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
783
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Posted - 2015.08.05 08:19:51 -
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Flick Narbotan wrote:[Sorry, that should have been with an AB instead of a web. But it still fits, and it still outperforms the Taranis.
Said the Comet before she died to a sabre in null...
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pushdogg
Tell Your Mum To Call Me Cruis3rs Cr3w
51
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Posted - 2015.08.05 08:39:13 -
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Doesn't the ranis get t2 resists?
I would put my ranis against a similar fit comet.
I think tonight I will fit up a ranis for some hijinks.
Edit: it has been a while since I pewed in an interceptor, but I would think a ranis in any fit would take a comet. |
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Kooshti
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2015.08.05 12:56:14 -
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Flick Narbotan wrote:Ahed Sten wrote:Taranis was my favorite wardeccing frig for quite a while. IIRC 315 heated dps with a dual prop. All you need for tank is a DCU. Grab on, don't let go and beat the **** out of that poor guy while you wait for backup. Or just kill him yourself cause you have great dps.
[Taranis]
Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II
Warp Scram II Afterburner II MWD II
Magnetic Field Stab II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II
Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Burst Aerator II
Hobgoblin II I'm afraid the Comet outperforms that fit in every way: [Federation Navy Comet, K] Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I 5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
your comet gets caught in the first bubble and killed
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
420
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Posted - 2015.08.06 07:21:42 -
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Kooshti wrote:your comet gets caught in the first bubble and killed ...or the pilot assesses the situation and chooses to fight or run. If the engagement envelope is so similar to that of the Taranis then the fight side should work out more or less the same... except that if the Taranis decides it's going to lose it can run away without regard for the bubble (though it still has to worry about other tackle).
...And frigates burned out of bubbles and escaped long before Interceptors became Interdiction Nullified - and they will do so in the future too. |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
151
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Posted - 2015.08.07 09:23:21 -
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If you dual prop a comet do it right
[Federation Navy Comet, Comet 2014] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II
1MN Afterburner II 5MN Microwarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Transverse Bulkhead II Small Transverse Bulkhead II Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Hobgoblin II x3
7.2k EHP, 4 km/s, 318 dps with faction ammo, 348 with void. If you drop a hull rig for a dmg rig you trade 1k ehp around 30 dps.
Compared to Taranis, you lose bubble immunity, warp speed and sig bloom reduction, but you have pretty much identical damage and twice the tank, also a bit faster if he's not rocking polycarbs. If he is, speed's about the same, but comet beats ranis dps by a margin (around 50 dps) So, yeah, it is a better combat ship. Depends on what you gotta do with it.
Heavily camped null area? Gotta catch something and warp speed counts? Taranis. Just want to murder ****? Comet. |
Kooshti
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2015.08.07 10:04:52 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:Kooshti wrote:your comet gets caught in the first bubble and killed ...or the pilot assesses the situation and chooses to fight or run. If the engagement envelope is so similar to that of the Taranis then the fight side should work out more or less the same... except that if the Taranis decides it's going to lose it can run away without regard for the bubble (though it still has to worry about other tackle). ...And frigates burned out of bubbles and escaped long before Interceptors became Interdiction Nullified - and they will do so in the future too.
maybe but a t1 frig doesnt really stand much of a chance against a sabre so the only option is to run, and you are pretty lucky to get a t1 frig out of a bubble alive, t1 frigs are pretty useless in nullsec |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
151
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Posted - 2015.08.07 12:12:52 -
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Kooshti wrote:
maybe but a t1 frig doesnt really stand much of a chance against a sabre so the only option is to run, and you are pretty lucky to get a t1 frig out of a bubble alive, t1 frigs are pretty useless in nullsec
any decent slicer pilot will **** up a sabre without breaking a sweat
and that's just the ez mode, a number of t1 frigs can 1v1 a sabre |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
420
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Posted - 2015.08.07 14:04:27 -
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Ahed Sten wrote:Without taking the time to EFT it up and see where you're wrong...
1. No dual prop, which is absolutely necessary in the line of work that I said I used it for. 2. The Comet doesn't look like a one-eyed pirate so there's also that. 3. No drones. Me thinks someone needs to go back and study the Comet again. When I flew mine last night it had drones. |
Ahed Sten
74
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Posted - 2015.08.07 21:53:23 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Ahed Sten wrote:Without taking the time to EFT it up and see where you're wrong...
1. No dual prop, which is absolutely necessary in the line of work that I said I used it for. 2. The Comet doesn't look like a one-eyed pirate so there's also that. 3. No drones. Me thinks someone needs to go back and study the Comet again. When I flew mine last night it had drones.
Me thinks you're right. *Removes foot from mouth*
Still, if you need something that's cloaky nullified, Taranis is better.
Though if what everything Knuckles said is true, the next time I get into wardeccing I think i'll be looking into the Comet |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
573
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Posted - 2015.08.11 04:22:39 -
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Ahed Sten wrote:Donnachadh wrote:Ahed Sten wrote:Without taking the time to EFT it up and see where you're wrong...
1. No dual prop, which is absolutely necessary in the line of work that I said I used it for. 2. The Comet doesn't look like a one-eyed pirate so there's also that. 3. No drones. Me thinks someone needs to go back and study the Comet again. When I flew mine last night it had drones. Me thinks you're right. *Removes foot from mouth* Still, if you need something that's immune to bubbles, Taranis is better. Though if what Knuckles said is true, the next time I get into wardeccing I think i'll be looking into the Comet
The hull-tanked AAR Comet is at the top of the frigate meta right now, for good reason.
You can also do an armor tank with dual EANM's that still tops 200 DPS and can tank an RLML Caracal. 70% omni-resists with links.
You wanna know what REALLY makes ceptors obsolete? The Garmur.
If the bubble camp locks/applies DPS fast enough to catch a frigate burning out at 6k m/s, I think your paper ceptor would just be volleyed anyway.
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The Lobsters
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
181
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Posted - 2015.08.13 18:07:36 -
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..... and if we're on the subject of Taranis obsolescence you can fly this for about a fifth of the cost. It loses about 30 dps and about 380m/s overheated, tanks better and importantly, gets more fights.
[Incursus dual prop 'Ranis knock off]
Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Overdrive Injector System II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I 1MN Afterburner II 5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Ion Blaster II, Null S
Small Transverse Bulkhead I Small Transverse Bulkhead I Small Transverse Bulkhead I
Hobgoblin II x1
That said, the sig bloom reduction is not something to be sniffed at, especially if you are burning down a missile boat. Warping faster is useful if you chasing through a system but it is also useful if you've been called in to help a buddy as it can slip through the perodic D-Scan spamming. It's a little thing that can make a difference.
The Taranis is far from obsolete.
also.. It's the Atron hull, it's bitchin
That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim.
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Adrindo Arandai
Fallen Reich Two Inch Terror
0
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Posted - 2015.08.20 20:47:41 -
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you cant chase someone through nul over multiple jumps in a comet if theres bubbles. you can in a rannis. yea, you may not have the drone bay, but in my experience (and maybe im just a bit slow at it), the time it takes to send out those drones, wait for them to fly to opponent, and kill them, you are probably already dead...itd be easier to just shoot them. yea, comet can get descent dps too with guns, but again...bubbles |
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