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Calisto Lockhart
Minmatar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2006.12.05 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Calisto Lockhart on 05/12/2006 15:39:13
I cant seem to find an amarr cruiser i like, the arbi is nice but suffer hp issue. maller is bleh.
Now i get mixed reports on the omen, but most are thats its crap, which is surprising considering i looks like a mini geddon.
any view? :)
for pvp :)
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Jeanpierre Duvall
Caldari
Spectral Armada
Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.05 15:49:00 -
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Calisto. All you had to do was ask in chat. 
Omen is a Great ship with very high skills. It's crap with moderat skills. We can talk a bit more in game when it gets up. :)
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mallina
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.05 16:00:00 -
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Omen can be made into a worthwhile ship capable of doing heavy damage, but simply isnt versatile enough for most situations (such is the Vexor and Thorax)
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Tisanta
Amarr
Privateers
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Posted - 2006.12.05 16:08:00 -
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agreed, the omen is powerful and has great ability but compared to the other ships of its teir... just use an arby
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Clavius XIV
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 16:11:00 -
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With high skills the Omen is a decent damage platform in a medium sized gang, where it can use its range advantage to get meaningful damage in immediately upon contact with the enemy, and is less likely to be taking fire.
It is lacking in soloability and very small group combat when compared to other teir 2 and 3 cruisers, so don't use it in this role unless you are seeking a challenge.
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.12.05 16:17:00 -
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The problem with the Omen is that it has to compete with the Maller, which has the fifth gun (basically making it do more damage than the Omen even with the RoF bonus), more grid, more CPU, more defense, more capacitor... essentially the only thing the Omen has on the Maller is speed and price.
The Omen can certainly be awesome. If you can spare the extra couple million, though, the Maller is generally better. That said, if I was to use a tackle-cruiser ala the Thorax, I'd probably pick the Omen due to the price and the gank possibilties with the RoF bonus and pulse lasers.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:20:00 -
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omen is pure and simply a turret platform.
don't tank with it, and don't try to do anything else than dishing damage with it (unless you come up with a crazy idea of sorts), because it can only do that.
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Gibbal Slogspit
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Gibbal Slogspit on 05/12/2006 17:26:57
Originally by: SpaceDrake Taleweaver
The problem with the Omen is that it has to compete with the Maller, which has the fifth gun (basically making it do more damage than the Omen even with the RoF bonus), more grid, more CPU, more defense, more capacitor... essentially the only thing the Omen has on the Maller is speed and price.
The Omen can certainly be awesome. If you can spare the extra couple million, though, the Maller is generally better. That said, if I was to use a tackle-cruiser ala the Thorax, I'd probably pick the Omen due to the price and the gank possibilties with the RoF bonus and pulse lasers.
I dont think the Maller does the same damage tbh. I am pretty sure Omen does more, or it would be pointless. For fleets/small gangs, Omen is the best bet, lots of damage, pretty fast/agile (unlike maller), some drone bay, and a missile point (although trying to fit it is a bit....stoooopid)
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Clavius XIV
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Taleweaver
The problem with the Omen is that it has to compete with the Maller, which has the fifth gun (basically making it do more damage than the Omen even with the RoF bonus), more grid, more CPU, more defense, more capacitor... essentially the only thing the Omen has on the Maller is speed and price.
With decent skills, the Omen will handily outdamge the Maller (422vs330 dps with gank fittings). The fitting on the maller is more generous, and yes there is more defense and cap.
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That said, if I was to use a tackle-cruiser ala the Thorax, I'd probably pick the Omen due to the price and the gank possibilties with the RoF bonus and pulse lasers.
Actually as a tackle cruiser the maller is far superior. With no laser bonus the Maller is not constrained to use crusier lasers in a tackle configuration. The extra defenses, grid, cap and lowslot allow for a very effective heavy tackler, probably the Maller's best role in PvP.
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Breed Love
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:39:00 -
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Don't use cruisers, use harbinger.
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Calisto Lockhart
Minmatar
Stormriders
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:55:00 -
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planning to BL, but i want a cruiser too :P
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SpaceDrake Taleweaver
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Clavius XIV
With decent skills, the Omen will handily outdamge the Maller (422vs330 dps with gank fittings). The fitting on the maller is more generous, and yes there is more defense and cap.
I know one person who constantly tells me the Maller outdamages the Omen... I always thought that sounded screwy, but could you post the exact numbers for both? And is that with pulse or beam lasers? I'm guessing pulse.
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That said, if I was to use a tackle-cruiser ala the Thorax, I'd probably pick the Omen due to the price and the gank possibilties with the RoF bonus and pulse lasers.
Actually as a tackle cruiser the maller is far superior. With no laser bonus the Maller is not constrained to use crusier lasers in a tackle configuration. The extra defenses, grid, cap and lowslot allow for a very effective heavy tackler, probably the Maller's best role in PvP.
Mmm, there is the defensive bonus to consider with a TackleMaller, but I also considered speed in the Omen - with tackling getting there ASAP can count for something.
And no laser bonus? What is the laser cap bonus, chicken bones?  Are you a dirty Minmatar who uses bullets on his glorious golden ship?
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Clavius XIV
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Taleweaver
I know one person who constantly tells me the Maller outdamages the Omen... I always thought that sounded screwy, but could you post the exact numbers for both? And is that with pulse or beam lasers? I'm guessing pulse.
There's a pretty easy way to look at it, normalize by turret
Let T be the damage of a crusier laser turret in one second
Maller DPS = 5T
Omen DPS = 4T/(1sec - 0.05*CrusierLevel)
At Crusier 5 the Omen does 5.33T damage from turrets alone. Also the Omen can fit a launcher and 3 light drones, which can contribute a noticeable amount of dps.
For specific gank setups, Pre-Revelations Omen goes with 4 heavy pulse ii, heavy launcher, rcu ii,cpuii and 3 heatsinks (has room for AB also). Maller goes with 5 heavy pulse ii, 3 heatsinks, AB and has 3 free lows and 1 free high.
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Mmm, there is the defensive bonus to consider with a TackleMaller, but I also considered speed in the Omen - with tackling getting there ASAP can count for something.
A Maller can go the same speed or faster than an Omen. Rember the Maller has one extra lowslot, in which you can fit nanofibers or inertal stabilizers.
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And no laser bonus? What is the laser cap bonus, chicken bones? Are you a dirty Minmatar who uses bullets on his glorious golden ship?
If you are setting up as heavy tackle you aren't going to be focusing on damage. You will likely go with some nos to hold your cap. You could use frigate lasers to give you more grid to work with, or yes projectiles for capless damage and better fitting.
I imagine the Imperial Navy sells projectile ammunition for a reason.
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