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Oldgiffer
Serial Killers
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Posted - 2006.12.07 18:50:00 -
[931]
 Originally by: Radioactive Babe
Originally by: Oldgiffer
Just like can flagging solved ore thieving I guess? Mission runners wont shoot you anymore than miners. Miners kept saying ore thieving was doomed once can flagginfg arrived. It really comes down to people not willing to stand up for themselves. If you want to have something you should have to fight for it. As someone rightly said if you are collecting resources other players have every right to try and take them from you
More mud in the water
What is happening is miner is sitting there in covetor, bastage arrives in pimped out megathron, swaps ore to his can and sits their until his alt has taken it away ... The miner has no recourse, he hasnt a hope..
So then they say, well if you cant kill him yourself get some friends or get some mercs ... more crap, how is a player that is on a couple of hours a night (or week) supposed to get the friends/isk to do any of that .... risk/reward twisted out of all recognition by griefers
Again I see it differently. The miner and his gang will have flagging rights on the thief. Just have a couple of friends warp in and kill the guy. This isnt a problem or bug its just your too lazy to solve the problem yourself. As usual the carebear comunity wont stand up for itself it would rather whine about it. |
Kamazani
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.12.07 18:53:00 -
[932]
Originally by: Oldgiffer
Originally by: Lichna Sihaya
what my aim was to point you in the direction of the following off the box comment mate
Join the community Conspire with thousands of other to bring the galaxy to its knee's - PVP
Go it alone and share the glory with no one - PVE
i will no doubt continue to play, for one my subs are paid until the end of march / beginning april and all we can hope for is that some amicable compromise be made for the two different play modes that EVE has always had.
The mission scanning isnt stopping you from going it alone. I dont think any of the people defending the change have said that.
The box is not saying play eve as single player game. Its just saying that you can achieve things alone even in a multiplayer game. It all depends on the context you read into the statement.
forgive me for quoting you again, i just had to... but the statment you just made has been repeated in some form or another in 32 pages.
apparently there are 2 opposing poles of this entire argument. the pvp'ers and the pve'ers.... neither are going to come to an agreement. one believes in being able to do something by themselves without risk other than from NPC's, the other believes in being able to kill everyone and anything, BOTH believe they should be able to do whatever the HELL they want!
BOTH need each other to make this game function well, BOTH cannot live without the other.
carebears don't want pvp'ers in their missions, pvp'ers want to KILL with immunity. pve'ers who are set up for the current task cannot fight someone who is pvp' rigged for kicking butts. END of story.
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by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44
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Exlegion
Caldari
Legion's Knight
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Posted - 2006.12.07 18:54:00 -
[933]
Originally by: Drutort
lvl4's are meant to be for group and thus i would only say they get the individual flagged so that you can retaliate and shot at them without concord attacking you.
I don't mean to sidetrack, but have you seen what the loot and rewards look like on a high sec level 4 mission? If they're meant to be done in a group then the loot tables and rewards are ridiculously broken 
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Drutort
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.07 18:57:00 -
[934]
 no offense to anyone but those that say how can you get friends or others to help? this is an online game last time i checked... its very easy to make friends, otherwise its something that is outside of game issue and you should reconsider playing this game. The point isnt time or paying people the point is that there are people that will freely help you just because they experienced the same thing as you did, and wish to band together and help... you start of the game already in a npc corp with a bunch of other people... you do not start the game solo without anyone or any interaction.
in a way its your own fault for going complete solo as far as not having buddies or corp members to aid you in a universe that is all about interacting with others to achieve greater better things.
nobody says you cant go solo when your buddies or corp members are not online, that is fine but to play the whole game completely solo is just some what ridiculous, your doing something wrong and playing wrong type of game.
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Lichna Sihaya
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Posted - 2006.12.07 18:59:00 -
[935]
Originally by: Oldgiffer
Originally by: Lichna Sihaya
what my aim was to point you in the direction of the following off the box comment mate
Join the community Conspire with thousands of other to bring the galaxy to its knee's - PVP
Go it alone and share the glory with no one - PVE
i will no doubt continue to play, for one my subs are paid until the end of march / beginning april and all we can hope for is that some amicable compromise be made for the two different play modes that EVE has always had.
The mission scanning isnt stopping you from going it alone. I dont think any of the people defending the change have said that.
The box is not saying play eve as single player game. Its just saying that you can achieve things alone even in a multiplayer game. It all depends on the context you read into the statement.
If you had read back from when i first posted you would of understood what i was saying. If in one sentence theyre saying join the thousands and the next go it alone then i take it to mean corps alliances/group efforts and on the other hand there is also in place a way where you can enjoy the rp/missions side of the game. to mission runners kali has broke the game for them, others have now exploited this and it is going to be addressed in some way, hopefully it will put it back on track where hi sec mission running means the risk comes from the mission not any tom ****less or harry that just wants to spoil it.
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Se'la Rox
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.07 18:59:00 -
[936]
Originally by: Mistress Evita
This is not good for business CCP. This may be good for the griefer. The internet is a very powerful tool, you **** off enough people they tell there friends and their friends tell others that EVE is not that great a game. Tell me CCP, you want to make money? You want to expand? Or do you just want to run a hobby on the side? It's your choice. Make it quick.
Agreed. I only started playing in July, and back then I'd recommend the game to anyone. That's changed. It's getting to the point where the game is so utterly lethal that new players don't have a prayer compared to the veterans.
I've spent my time in EVE mission running, to give me the cash to eventually try my hand at PvP and the riskier side of the game. It's something I aim to do, it's just not something I feel ready for yet.
Right now, my choices are starting to look a little limited. I started off by ratting in lowsec. No chance, pirates sweeping belts and I had to spend whole evenings trying to avoid gate camps. Then I tried mission running, seemed ok, not quite as varied as ratting, but still fun. Now what's happened?
If I mission run in low sec, I can expect to get ganked.
If I mission run in high sec, I can expect to get griefed.
Is CCP trying to force people not to mission run? Because right now it's starting to seem that way.
Right now, I wouldn't recommend someone to play EVE.
Also, those who are coming up with the incessant "carebear whine"/"EVE is a PvP game" are really, truly missing the point...
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Kamazani
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:00:00 -
[937]
Originally by: Drutort
no offense to anyone but those that say how can you get friends or others to help? this is an online game last time i checked... its very easy to make friends, otherwise its something that is outside of game issue and you should reconsider playing this game. The point isnt time or paying people the point is that there are people that will freely help you just because they experienced the same thing as you did, and wish to band together and help... you start of the game already in a npc corp with a bunch of other people... you do not start the game solo without anyone or any interaction.
in a way its your own fault for going complete solo as far as not having buddies or corp members to aid you in a universe that is all about interacting with others to achieve greater better things.
nobody says you cant go solo when your buddies or corp members are not online, that is fine but to play the whole game completely solo is just some what ridiculous, your doing something wrong and playing wrong type of game.
sorry with guys like lofty29 running around it's hard to know who to trust. =/
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by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44
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Drutort
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:02:00 -
[938]
Originally by: Exlegion
Originally by: Drutort
lvl4's are meant to be for group and thus i would only say they get the individual flagged so that you can retaliate and shot at them without concord attacking you.
I don't mean to sidetrack, but have you seen what the loot and rewards look like on a high sec level 4 mission? If they're meant to be done in a group then the loot tables and rewards are ridiculously broken
that is besides the point, what i was saying is that there should be flagging in empire controlled and in high sec taking from the destroyed npc should cause concord to come in, them blowing up npc should cause them to get flagged for you to be able to attack them.
in .4 or lower were there is no concord response they should only get flagged so that you and your buddies can get them without getting a sec hit.
that is my point, i dont know what lvl4's drop or how hard they are, that is up to community to talk and get fixed... but ya this does bring a lot of concern.
make the dead space area or mission area automatic flagging to you so that you can immediately attack the intruder into your mission
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Exlegion
Caldari
Legion's Knight
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:06:00 -
[939]
Originally by: Drutort
no offense to anyone but those that say how can you get friends or others to help? this is an online game last time i checked... its very easy to make friends, otherwise its something that is outside of game issue and you should reconsider playing this game. The point isnt time or paying people the point is that there are people that will freely help you just because they experienced the same thing as you did, and wish to band together and help... you start of the game already in a npc corp with a bunch of other people... you do not start the game solo without anyone or any interaction.
in a way its your own fault for going complete solo as far as not having buddies or corp members to aid you in a universe that is all about interacting with others to achieve greater better things.
nobody says you cant go solo when your buddies or corp members are not online, that is fine but to play the whole game completely solo is just some what ridiculous, your doing something wrong and playing wrong type of game.
And where exactly does it say I MUST group to play EVE? As I've said before, I already have a 9-5. I'm paying for two accounts, I do missions because I enjoy them. What I hate is when people tell me how they think I should play. To you it's ridiculous that I play my game my way. That is your opinion. To another, missions are boring. Again, an opinion. Or would you like to tell me what ice cream flavor is best? Or finally settle the long-asked question whether broccoli tastes good
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Radioactive Babe
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:09:00 -
[940]
Originally by: Se'la Rox
Originally by: Mistress Evita
This is not good for business CCP. This may be good for the griefer. The internet is a very powerful tool, you **** off enough people they tell there friends and their friends tell others that EVE is not that great a game. Tell me CCP, you want to make money? You want to expand? Or do you just want to run a hobby on the side? It's your choice. Make it quick.
Agreed. I only started playing in July, and back then I'd recommend the game to anyone. That's changed. It's getting to the point where the game is so utterly lethal that new players don't have a prayer compared to the veterans.
I've spent my time in EVE mission running, to give me the cash to eventually try my hand at PvP and the riskier side of the game. It's something I aim to do, it's just not something I feel ready for yet.
Right now, my choices are starting to look a little limited. I started off by ratting in lowsec. No chance, pirates sweeping belts and I had to spend whole evenings trying to avoid gate camps. Then I tried mission running, seemed ok, not quite as varied as ratting, but still fun. Now what's happened?
If I mission run in low sec, I can expect to get ganked.
If I mission run in high sec, I can expect to get griefed.
Is CCP trying to force people not to mission run? Because right now it's starting to seem that way.
Right now, I wouldn't recommend someone to play EVE.
Also, those who are coming up with the incessant "carebear whine"/"EVE is a PvP game" are really, truly missing the point...
Hey, you are fairly new ..... could you gather a group of friends at the drop of a hat (within a few minutes) to take on a megathron that was doing the ol' ore switcharoo trick?
I'm really interested to find out if a real noob can protect themselves ....
alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well
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Sendraks
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:11:00 -
[941]
Originally by: Oldgiffer
Its not griefing if they do it for profit.
An interesting take on events, but as you can't accurately gauge intent in any way, you can only judge by actions and conseuqences. The action is to take an item, in a completely risk free way, that is necessary to complete the mission. Because the action is "risk free" i.e. there is no way for the mission runner to prevent it happening, it is both exploiting the game mechanics and griefing as it serves no other purpose (within the grounds of action and consequence) other than to inconvenience the mission runner.
Yes, it is possible that some people might do it for profit is not really possible to guage unless the are logs recording the conversation showing the item being ransomed. Even then, there would have to be a log showing the item being returned some how to support this.
One way this could manifest is people stealing mission critical items and then putting them on the market for sizeable sums of cash. I will go with you on this that its not griefing, but is an exploit as it is not preventable by the high sec mission runner. If this becomes prevalent I imagine the consequences would be a) a very full petition queue b) people giving up on missions c) people giving up on Eve in droves d) lots of bad press e) CCP unhappy.
However, a fix to the way probes scan mission runners would change this from a readily exploitable flaw in the game mechanics to perhaps a form of niche piracy/theft. It probably wouldn't work though, as people would just decline any mission which involved the recovery of a critical item.
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Snarls McGee
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:16:00 -
[942]
Originally by: Kamazani
pve'ers who are set up for the current task cannot fight someone who is pvp' rigged for kicking butts. END of story.
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from what i'm reading from all 33 pages, is carebears: "leave us alone!" pvp'ers: we should be able to kill you! it's a pvp game!
who's forcing whom ? one side doesnt' want anything to do with the other, but the other side is saying "but i want to play with you!"
To me that is the entire meat of the whole "PvE vs PvP player" debate.
If mission runner vs NPCs=carebear then what does that make the pirate when its Pirate+NPCs vs mission runner? Personally I find it hypocritical for a griefer to call a mission runner a "carebear" (meaning they aren't risking anything) when the pirate is risking even less by using the NPCs in the mission to do the work for them.
And to everyone talking about if a griefer/pirate tries selling your mission loot back to you isn't griefing.. you are using the letter of the law to defeat its spirit. Asking for 100 million ISK for mission critical loot on a L3 or even L4 mission is NOT piracy, that is still griefing because it is completely impractical.
Too bad CCP is too afraid to punish for INTENT. It would solve the logoffskis, the people running 3 accounts just so they can use the wartarget gang loophole, etc.
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:17:00 -
[943]
Originally by: Exlegion
And where exactly does it say I MUST group to play EVE? As I've said before, I already have a 9-5. I'm paying for two accounts, I do missions because I enjoy them. What I hate is when people tell me how they think I should play. To you it's ridiculous that I play my game my way. That is your opinion. To another, missions are boring. Again, an opinion. Or would you like to tell me what ice cream flavor is best? Or finally settle the long-asked question whether broccoli tastes good
Of course the irony is, that you are telling people how they should play the game. In fact you would like CCP to change the game so that they cant play how they would like to....roll and eyes (most overused emoticon)
As for flagging them in high sec....you do realise that if you shoot a flagged pilot...he CAN actually shoot you back  You will only make it better for the guys jumping in on your mission, as they will get to kill your ill fitted pve ship and steal your mission loot.
If you want to shoot back, run your missions in low sec. Most of the guys like me killing the ravens doing missions, are below -5 anyway, so no sec loss for you. Everyone is happy.
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Exlegion
Caldari
Legion's Knight
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:21:00 -
[944]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Exlegion
And where exactly does it say I MUST group to play EVE? As I've said before, I already have a 9-5. I'm paying for two accounts, I do missions because I enjoy them. What I hate is when people tell me how they think I should play. To you it's ridiculous that I play my game my way. That is your opinion. To another, missions are boring. Again, an opinion. Or would you like to tell me what ice cream flavor is best? Or finally settle the long-asked question whether broccoli tastes good
Of course the irony is, that you are telling people how they should play the game. In fact you would like CCP to change the game so that they cant play how they would like to....roll and eyes (most overused emoticon)
As for flagging them in high sec....you do realise that if you shoot a flagged pilot...he CAN actually shoot you back You will only make it better for the guys jumping in on your mission, as they will get to kill your ill fitted pve ship and steal your mission loot.
If you want to shoot back, run your missions in low sec. Most of the guys like me killing the ravens doing missions, are below -5 anyway, so no sec loss for you. Everyone is happy.
So when I as a person say I want to pursue an engineering degree because it makes me happy, a murderer should be able to continue offing people because that's what makes him happy, correct? Basically, we both have the right to be happy with what we do, right? Do you see where one group is being screwed by the other?
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Radioactive Babe
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:24:00 -
[945]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Exlegion
And where exactly does it say I MUST group to play EVE? As I've said before, I already have a 9-5. I'm paying for two accounts, I do missions because I enjoy them. What I hate is when people tell me how they think I should play. To you it's ridiculous that I play my game my way. That is your opinion. To another, missions are boring. Again, an opinion. Or would you like to tell me what ice cream flavor is best? Or finally settle the long-asked question whether broccoli tastes good
Of course the irony is, that you are telling people how they should play the game. In fact you would like CCP to change the game so that they cant play how they would like to....roll and eyes (most overused emoticon)
As for flagging them in high sec....you do realise that if you shoot a flagged pilot...he CAN actually shoot you back You will only make it better for the guys jumping in on your mission, as they will get to kill your ill fitted pve ship and steal your mission loot.
If you want to shoot back, run your missions in low sec. Most of the guys like me killing the ravens doing missions, are below -5 anyway, so no sec loss for you. Everyone is happy.
What? you appear saying that he is forcing you to play the game in a certain way because of the single user way he is playing the game? the twisting of mechanics for grief is because he is a mission runner? the ore got stolen because the guy was mining?
As was mentioned earlier, the difference between roleplay and griefing is gauging the intent... in your case we'll just take it as a given that it was griefing
alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:33:00 -
[946]
Edited by: Avon on 07/12/2006 19:34:02
Originally by: Exlegion
So when I as a person say I want to pursue an engineering degree because it makes me happy, a murderer should be able to continue offing people because that's what makes him happy, correct? Basically, we both have the right to be happy with what we do, right? Do you see where one group is being screwed by the other?
You pursuing an engineering degree does not exclude you from being a potential murder victim, does it?
Just because you choose to do something peaceful it doesn't mean no harm will ever come to you.
It is the same in Eve.
You can play Eve solo, many people do.
That does not, however, give you any magical protection from other players (who may be playing just as solo as you).
Solo in a MMOG is not the same as single player.
(_eek!, answered points for two different people, I'm sure you can all work out what goes where -)
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Fenderson
Finite Horizon
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:34:00 -
[947]
I am a pvper first and foremost, and to keep myself well equiped for pvp i like to run lvl 4 missions in lowsec. Theres a few reason i have chosen lowsec lvl 4s as my primary isk making activity over the others available to me in eve.
1) I like missions as a sort of mindless solo activity. emphasis on solo.
2) I would do level 4s in highsec, but the lag is totally unbearable in any system with agents that are remotely worthwhile. That includes lvl 3s as well.
3) The rewards are just barely high enough that its worth my time.
Yes, eve is an MMO. Yes, eve is primarily a pvp game. But is it really unreasonable to want to have an activity that can be done solo with a reward that makes it worthwhile and a reasonable amount of security?
I mean, really... theres no other option. What else can you do solo in this game that has enough rewards that you arent totally wasting your time?
My fellow pirates/pvpers: do you need to be able to gank mission runners in order to pvp? NO!! theres plenty of other pvp opportunities out there in this game. I know you would all cream you pants if you got to kill mission running ravens all day, but it wont last long. Either lowsec will be empty of mission runners, or the few that are left will only still be there because they have figured out how to avoid you.
CCP: in the long run, this change makes the game less fun for everyone, and that means less isk for you!
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:36:00 -
[948]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 07/12/2006 19:36:26
Originally by: Exlegion
So when I as a person say I want to pursue an engineering degree because it makes me happy, a murderer should be able to continue offing people because that's what makes him happy, correct? Basically, we both have the right to be happy with what we do, right? Do you see where one group is being screwed by the other?
some people really do take this too seriously. Comparing EVE to real life is not very clever
Maybe you should take up that degree, and leave EVE for a while if it stresses you out so much.
And btw Radiactive Bub, I cant even get into high sec to "grief" players. I engage them in combat in low sec, they shoot back...tell me where that is not allowed please.
Trying to change the game because some people have found a way to make easy money by training up a skill is a little childish.
Every time someone gets killed, there is a post about nerf this , its soo unfair.
If you had the skills to scan down and kill a lev4 mission runner in low sec yourself, you might realise....its A LOT of fun. And yes you get smacked for it in local, and tbh some of the names I have been called warrant a petition more than my tactics ever did
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Ishmael Hansen
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:44:00 -
[949]
Originally by: Kamazani
Edited by: Kamazani on 07/12/2006 18:58:59
Originally by: Oldgiffer
Originally by: Lichna Sihaya
what my aim was to point you in the direction of the following off the box comment mate
Join the community Conspire with thousands of other to bring the galaxy to its knee's - PVP
Go it alone and share the glory with no one - PVE
i will no doubt continue to play, for one my subs are paid until the end of march / beginning april and all we can hope for is that some amicable compromise be made for the two different play modes that EVE has always had.
The mission scanning isnt stopping you from going it alone. I dont think any of the people defending the change have said that.
The box is not saying play eve as single player game. Its just saying that you can achieve things alone even in a multiplayer game. It all depends on the context you read into the statement.
forgive me for quoting you again, i just had to... but the statment you just made has been repeated in some form or another in 32 pages.
apparently there are 2 opposing poles of this entire argument. the pvp'ers and the pve'ers.... neither are going to come to an agreement. one believes in being able to do something by themselves without risk other than from NPC's, the other believes in being able to kill everyone and anything, BOTH believe they should be able to do whatever the HELL they want!
BOTH need each other to make this game function well, BOTH cannot live without the other.
carebears don't want pvp'ers in their missions, pvp'ers want to KILL with immunity. pve'ers who are set up for the current task cannot fight someone who is pvp' rigged for kicking butts. END of story.
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from what i'm reading from all 33 pages, is carebears: "leave us alone!" pvp'ers: we should be able to kill you! it's a pvp game!
who's forcing whom ? one side doesnt' want anything to do with the other, but the other side is saying "but i want to play with you!"
There's no pve community, if you buy something from market you pvping. And I don't think this is a pirate vs carebears argument either, as, being ati-pirate myself I have much respect for the pirate profession, and made plenty of friends there. The griefers are a total diferent story, they take the grief/no risk way, high sec mission jumping, ore thieving, loot thieving, war dec noob corps, etc. They don't made it to play the game, they do it to upset other persons, just like Evil Thug when he brags about the ammount of people that left eve because of his *cough*exploits*cough*.
Don't argue with them, what they really need is a hug, talk with them, ask them what made them became this way, they are very sad people. I read a little bit of psychology myself and they are what we can call... bad, bad, bad. 
Bad boys bad boys, what you gona do, bad boys bad boys
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Rei Toai
Faaip De Oiad
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:46:00 -
[950]
omg - this thread is still going on ...
two more days and you top the Amarr thread in Ships and Modules.
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Exlegion
Caldari
Legion's Knight
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:47:00 -
[951]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 07/12/2006 19:36:26
Originally by: Exlegion
So when I as a person say I want to pursue an engineering degree because it makes me happy, a murderer should be able to continue offing people because that's what makes him happy, correct? Basically, we both have the right to be happy with what we do, right? Do you see where one group is being screwed by the other?
some people really do take this too seriously. Comparing EVE to real life is not very clever
Maybe you should take up that degree, and leave EVE for a while if it stresses you out so much.
And btw Radiactive Bub, I cant even get into high sec to "grief" players. I engage them in combat in low sec, they shoot back...tell me where that is not allowed please.
Trying to change the game because some people have found a way to make easy money by training up a skill is a little childish.
Every time someone gets killed, there is a post about nerf this , its soo unfair.
If you had the skills to scan down and kill a lev4 mission runner in low sec yourself, you might realise....its A LOT of fun. And yes you get smacked for it in local, and tbh some of the names I have been called warrant a petition more than my tactics ever did
I see. So you completely missed the point, and now you brushed it off. Typical. Since you can't differentiate between what person is trying to force what on who I thought I'd dumb it down a bit, but it still manages to fly past you Ah well, can't help ya there.
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Zei Xeu
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:51:00 -
[952]
All I know is that, since it is so hard to get started now since newbs can't get missions done my buddy and I (and my family in other cities) won't be playing this game.
We had tried the trial accounts but not being able to do missions to get started is just too much hassle.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 19:58:00 -
[953]
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 07/12/2006 19:58:24
Originally by: Exlegion
I see. So you completely missed the point, and now you brushed it off. Typical. Since you can't differentiate between what person is trying to force what on who I thought I'd dumb it down a bit, but it still manages to fly past you Ah well, can't help ya there.
Condescending and patronising...I have no sympathy for you if someone decides to grief you
Maybe you missed the point...so here it is again
EVE is a game....ie not real life
Its a brutal game, you should have worked it out by now. Dont patronise people that enjoy this game, and play it however they like. What's to stop you stealing someone elses mission loot that stole from you? Get a locator agent. Get a spine. Stand up for yourself and stop trying to have the game changed because you dont like it.
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.07 20:04:00 -
[954]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Dont patronise people that enjoy this game, and play it however they like.
*Snip* Keep it civil. - Conuion mods@ccpgames.com
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Exlegion
Caldari
Legion's Knight
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Posted - 2006.12.07 20:06:00 -
[955]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 07/12/2006 19:58:24
Originally by: Exlegion
I see. So you completely missed the point, and now you brushed it off. Typical. Since you can't differentiate between what person is trying to force what on who I thought I'd dumb it down a bit, but it still manages to fly past you Ah well, can't help ya there.
Condescending and patronising...I have no sympathy for you if someone decides to grief you
Maybe you missed the point...so here it is again
EVE is a game....ie not real life
Its a brutal game, you should have worked it out by now. Dont patronise people that enjoy this game, and play it however they like. What's to stop you stealing someone elses mission loot that stole from you? Get a locator agent. Get a spine. Stand up for yourself and stop trying to have the game changed because you dont like it.
And you're preaching me it's a game? So I get no sympathy from you and I'm supposed to cry or something? You wanna grief? You are certainly welcome to try. "Get a spine" you say? Again, as you are preaching: This is a game and in no way is it measuring epeens. Your lot amuses me sometimes. You honestly believe that your tactics are making you a man or something?
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Flinx Evenstar
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 20:09:00 -
[956]
Originally by: Shemar
*Snip*
And your assumption is based on....
Thats right dear...get it off your chest. I am an ebil low sec piwat. Me so bad.
You may be one of this games victims...but how is that my fault?
Like I said before, if you bothered to read anything before your personal attack on me. I CANT even get in high sec to "grief" mission runners. In low sec...I just blow them up...no griefing involved
Try reading...engage brain before blurting out the first thing that pops in your fluffy little head. Bless you...you are so cute
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Ishmael Hansen
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 20:10:00 -
[957]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 07/12/2006 19:58:24
Originally by: Exlegion
I see. So you completely missed the point, and now you brushed it off. Typical. Since you can't differentiate between what person is trying to force what on who I thought I'd dumb it down a bit, but it still manages to fly past you Ah well, can't help ya there.
Condescending and patronising...I have no sympathy for you if someone decides to grief you
Maybe you missed the point...so here it is again
EVE is a game....ie not real life
Its a brutal game, you should have worked it out by now. Dont patronise people that enjoy this game, and play it however they like. What's to stop you stealing someone elses mission loot that stole from you? Get a locator agent. Get a spine. Stand up for yourself and stop trying to have the game changed because you dont like it.
HAHA, and how many griefers play the game with their mains in non-noob corps outside high sec space?
In my early days our industrial corp was war dec by some griefers, which was good, they were asking like 50m (back in 2004) to stop the war, since they actually fought us we whooped their buts and they ended giving us 20m + some +3 implants to stop the war :P
Those were fun days, not this lamers who take no risk and only grief for hurting people.
mOo used to sit outside noob stations and chaining ibis, there is a reason ccp introduced sentry guns. Now GET A SPINE and go grief players where they actually can defend themselves like 0.0 or low sec. Hey, I'll even get a welcome comitee.
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Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.12.07 20:10:00 -
[958]
Edited by: Lord Frost on 07/12/2006 20:11:04
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 07/12/2006 19:34:02
Originally by: Exlegion
So when I as a person say I want to pursue an engineering degree because it makes me happy, a murderer should be able to continue offing people because that's what makes him happy, correct? Basically, we both have the right to be happy with what we do, right? Do you see where one group is being screwed by the other?
You pursuing an engineering degree does not exclude you from being a potential murder victim, does it?
Just because you choose to do something peaceful it doesn't mean no harm will ever come to you.
It is the same in Eve.
You can play Eve solo, many people do.
That does not, however, give you any magical protection from other players (who may be playing just as solo as you).
Solo in a MMOG is not the same as single player.
(_eek!, answered points for two different people, I'm sure you can all work out what goes where -)
I love these real world explanations to make a point in a game. LMAO... if that was the case Avon Calling... well, I can't say it, I'm still laughing at the thought!!! LOL
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OldPueblo
Gallente
Defenders of Order
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Posted - 2006.12.07 20:17:00 -
[959]
Edited by: OldPueblo on 07/12/2006 20:18:00
Originally by: Zei Xeu
All I know is that, since it is so hard to get started now since newbs can't get missions done my buddy and I (and my family in other cities) won't be playing this game.
We had tried the trial accounts but not being able to do missions to get started is just too much hassle.
So long and thanks for all the fish.
I love how people just keep arguing pointlessly, completely bypassing the real issue above. Did anyone acknowledge this guy and all the other posts related to the real actual issue here? Is this what we all want?
Oh wait, before anyone else has a chance.... Zei, why don't you just war dec them? Har Har!
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Sari Yanma
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Posted - 2006.12.07 20:17:00 -
[960]
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 07/12/2006 19:58:24
Originally by: Exlegion
I see. So you completely missed the point, and now you brushed it off. Typical. Since you can't differentiate between what person is trying to force what on who I thought I'd dumb it down a bit, but it still manages to fly past you Ah well, can't help ya there.
Condescending and patronising...I have no sympathy for you if someone decides to grief you
Maybe you missed the point...so here it is again
EVE is a game....ie not real life
Its a brutal game, you should have worked it out by now. Dont patronise people that enjoy this game, and play it however they like. What's to stop you stealing someone elses mission loot that stole from you? Get a locator agent. Get a spine. Stand up for yourself and stop trying to have the game changed because you dont like it.
And what if that sort of gameplay is not what I care for? I ganked some n00bs. My fun-o-meter didn't crank anywhere up.
If this game doesn't provide enough fun for me, I'm not gonna complain much. Then I'll be gone. I doubt you'll miss me. Yet, I'll be gone, ultimately like all those who share my vision of 'fun'.
Who are you gonna gank missionning, then ?
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