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Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:22:00 - [961] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 07/12/2006 20:24:48 Originally by: OldPueblo Originally by: Zei Xeu All I know is that, since it is so hard to get started now since newbs can't get missions done my buddy and I (and my family in other cities) won't be playing this game. We had tried the trial accounts but not being able to do missions to get started is just too much hassle. So long and thanks for all the fish. I love how people just keep arguing pointlessly, completely bypassing the real issue above. Did anyone acknowledge this guy and all the other posts related to the real actual issue here? Is this what we all want? Ok, check out how many people are online now.... Any difference from yesterday? Full time mission runners are NOT the backbone of this game. The only people that will be sad when they leave are peeps like me...coz we will run out of cannon fodder. You know that in a system near me 68 Battleship mission runners were killed, 7 of them Caldari Navy Ravens. This was in one day!! Thing is the mission runner is a solo type of guy...if even half of these guys bothered to talk to each other, or gave a warning somewhere...many would have lived. They just kept on coming in...even with the pods warping out into next door, no one said anything in local. Have these guys really being playing EVE in isolation for so long that they can fit a T2 raven with faction mods and still have NO clue as to how intel works... EDIT: btw noobs dont fly fully T2 fitted ravens....so no I dont gank noobs. I have had some da'mm good 1v1 BS action with people way older than me, so yes the adrenalin was pumping
Happster Polaris Project	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:22:00 - [962] The question CCP need to ask is if they want EVE to be all about pvp, or a mix enviroment which can hold both pvp and pve. If they want PVE to play a role, something need to change vs missions. One thing is for sure. This has a major affect on missions. What is the point of starting a missions if you wont be able to finnish it? 1. You will loose standings to your agent. 2. A few of #1 and you cant do missions for that agent again till your standings has improved.... 3. The reward vs time gets even more sucky. (Not everyone fly raven and finnish missions in 10 min) 4. So if you only play to do missions....whats then left to make you keep playing? I would say none. What ever their decission will be, it will be interesting to see!
Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:27:00 - [963] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar And your assumption is based on.... Your need to force yourself on others. Pretty simple really, nobody that can find validation within a group of people that actually want to be with him and interact with him, bothers to force themselves on others. So, let's ee how many things you got wrong: A. I have never been griefed (I just have a thing about disliking griefers). B. Based on your own words, the only reason you are not griefing in hi-sec is beacause you can't. C. I am pretty sure I can read you just fine. D. If you think I am afraid of PvP guess again. I am deathly bored of PvP, or more accurately, all the time doing nothing for the exchange of very short bursts of actual action. I'll duel you any time. I just don't have time to waste chasing you. But we both know you only fight people who can barely shoot back, if at all. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:29:00 - [964] Originally by: Spuck Edited by: Spuck on 07/12/2006 17:42:28 Originally by: sesanti Leave scanning as it is, missioners are flying in a universe where you are not safe anywhere (as stated in the game manual)... so the moment you undock, you agree you can get killed or looted.... why should missions be any different? Even if someone steals the loot to complete them? Move somewhere else, get more agents, and stop complaining like a spoiled brat... universe is not safe anywhere ? use your brain Sesanti, if it would be so there would not be CONCORD in game and noobs like you would just hang around in the beginners station.... bye LOL. It's you who's not using his brain. Concord is not a tool to prevent the crime, it's there to punish the criminal IF you are attacked in High Sec. But that doesn't mean it's not legit to shoot and kill people in high sec. space. Or destroy their loot... or aggro the rats... or steal from them... or repair the rats while they engage someone else, so they can't be killed, for that matter. While many actions trigger concord in high sec, they are all direct attacks to the player and/or their property. Killing other player's mission rats is not one of them, nor is it griefing. Aggroing rats is not, either. Stealing from mission cans is the same as ore thieving at belts. I see no reason why, after having it served in a silver plate and being spoon-fed during all this time with your missions, missioners whine so much about having a bit extra difficulty and risk running missions... Then what about miners? What about traders? And... if Concord wasn't there, i would be doing the same thing i am doing now, instead of coming here whining like a 5-year old kid to have CCP place something called "Concord" to protect me. You see, there's no reason to come to a game where you can get killed anywhere losing everything you carried with you, if you don't like that kind of play. And having the chance to get aggravated by anyone, like many have, outside of the "mission world", doesn't mean one aspect of gameplay is broken. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
000Hunter000 Gallente The Lookers	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:30:00 - [965] All those people claiming 'eve is a pvp game, live with it.' are wrong plain and simple. The day EVE turns into a pure pvp game is the day it dies. If u want pvp only, go play an fps. Resized tag... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp :p
Dendrin Koljn Minmatar Elite United Corp	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:31:00 - [966] Originally by: Trollin in the past 3 hours I have had griefers drop in on me 5 times, sometimes they kill the boss at the end of the mission while I am fighting the trash, sometimes they aggro the whole area and then warp out... its way out of hand, I don' have time to deal with this on a regular basis, I play for fun, not to be griefed out of missions. not to mention the janitors that you call salvagers, come in on me in my Kestrel with 8+ rats aggroed on me, they come in with a drake and start scooping my loot and salvaging the wrecks. wtf am I supposed to do? shoot at them and get blown to bits? its getting to the point where player courier missions are starting to look good... and thats really sad. Well unless CCP find a fix, very little there was a post from about a year ago that warned of this sort of thing happening, oddly enuf it was linked to defend the 'greifers', as the 'I wanna kill people' crowd increased. I wouldn't recomend courier missions out of high-sec much either as the gank squads have adapted to WTZ and just get you as you try to warp away from a gate as opposed to warping to the gate. So you cant do those without intel - so at least 2 of you, another thing that should be solo but is damn hard to do so. I would imagine sumin might be added with the next mini patch. I wouldn't worry to much as it's got to be sorted as from reading thru this and other related threads, it's only the idiots that do it that want it.
OldPueblo Gallente Defenders of Order	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:31:00 - [967] Edited by: OldPueblo on 07/12/2006 20:33:24 Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 07/12/2006 20:24:48 Originally by: OldPueblo Originally by: Zei Xeu All I know is that, since it is so hard to get started now since newbs can't get missions done my buddy and I (and my family in other cities) won't be playing this game. We had tried the trial accounts but not being able to do missions to get started is just too much hassle. So long and thanks for all the fish. I love how people just keep arguing pointlessly, completely bypassing the real issue above. Did anyone acknowledge this guy and all the other posts related to the real actual issue here? Is this what we all want? Ok, check out how many people are online now.... Any difference from yesterday? Full time mission runners are NOT the backbone of this game. The only people that will be sad when they leave are peeps like me...coz we will run out of cannon fodder. You know that in a system near me 68 Battleship mission runners were killed, 7 of them Caldari Navy Ravens. This was in one day!! Thing is the mission runner is a solo type of guy...if even half of these guys bothered to talk to each other, or gave a warning somewhere...many would have lived. They just kept on coming in...even with the pods warping out into next door, no one said anything in local. Have these guys really being playing EVE in isolation for so long that they can fit a T2 raven with faction mods and still have NO clue as to how intel works... EDIT: btw noobs dont fly fully T2 fitted ravens....so no I dont gank noobs. I have had some da'mm good 1v1 BS action with people way older than me, so yes the adrenalin was pumping And you still miss the point. Just because YOU are not griefing missions (as in taking mission loot, ruinging it for newbs) does not mean that NOBODY is doing it. If the system is broken, it will be taken advantage of and people will be griefed. Griefed does not mean you warp in to steal general loot and salvage wrecks. Griefing means you prevent the completion of the mission. That has been the point of this thread EXCEPT for those on both sides that have muddied it up.
Mistress Evita	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:35:00 - [968] Originally by: Oldgiffer Originally by: Mistress Evita This is not good for business CCP. This may be good for the griefer. The internet is a very powerful tool, you ** off enough people they tell there friends and their friends tell others that EVE is not that great a game. Tell me CCP, you want to make money? You want to expand? Or do you just want to run a hobby on the side? It's your choice. Make it quick. Me, i'll play till the end. But then I am a old stuborn SOB. Just like can flagging solved ore thieving I guess? Mission runners wont shoot you anymore than miners. Miners kept saying ore thieving was doomed once can flagginfg arrived. It really comes down to people not willing to stand up for themselves. If you want to have something you should have to fight for it. As someone rightly said if you are collecting resources other players have every right to try and take them from you Take away me being Concorded for me firing the first shot at you for coming into the deadspace I am doing a mission in and I will try to take you down. If I don't take you down I will place you in my buddy list for later. I've done some PvP. It aint that bad. You lose a ship, big deal. But then again I don't do level4 missions yet with real fancy ships. I have also lived by the saying from close to three years ago: If you can't aford to loose it then don't friggen fly it! Killing and grifing Missions Runners who set their ships up to fight NPCs and not PvP is a chicken way to play the game. I don't give two craps what people say, "it's a PvP game and they need to be ready". A person who griefs a mission runner in the deadspace is on the same level has dog ** and smells just has bad.
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:36:00 - [969] Originally by: Shemar Originally by: Flinx Evenstar And your assumption is based on.... Your need to force yourself on others. Pretty simple really, nobody that can find validation within a group of people that actually want to be with him and interact with him, bothers to force themselves on others. So, let's ee how many things you got wrong: A. I have never been griefed (I just have a thing about disliking griefers). B. Based on your own words, the only reason you are not griefing in hi-sec is beacause you can't. C. I am pretty sure I can read you just fine. D. If you think I am afraid of PvP guess again. I am deathly bored of PvP, or more accurately, all the time doing nothing for the exchange of very short bursts of actual action. I'll duel you any time. I just don't have time to waste chasing you. But we both know you only fight people who can barely shoot back, if at all. and once again You know me so well I bet your a real laugh in your corp. SO apart from trying to derail the thread with personal attacks on me...what was yout point? You think I fight things that cant fight back...well explain why I have the largest ship loss in my corp. I am always fighting, some call me crazy...so get your facts right (I also have the largest number of ship kills in my corp, well I like combat..its what I do) I am a griefer because I play a game, and blow things up?...er ok Oh you told me alright. I will stop it straight away, because you gave me a nasty look. Look me up in game, see my corp...we have fun. Thats why we play.
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:45:00 - [970] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar .....Ok, check out how many people are online now.... Any difference from yesterday? Full time mission runners are NOT the backbone of this game. The only people that will be sad when they leave are peeps like me...coz we will run out of cannon fodder. The impact has not kicked in yet, its only been a week or less since this has really kicked off, if not fixed and fixed fast a lot will be doing a little clickety in their account settings, yeah, including my two accounts Quote: You know that in a system near me 68 Battleship mission runners were killed, 7 of them Caldari Navy Ravens. This was in one day!! Thats because they dont whorum, they are busy doing missions ... if there was a message when they logged in that they would get ganked doing a low sec mission in 2 minutes you would find just a few Quote: Thing is the mission runner is a solo type of guy...if even half of these guys bothered to talk to each other, or gave a warning somewhere...many would have lived. and shouting in low sec that you are getting attacked by multiple pirates in a deadspace would help how? Quote: They just kept on coming in...even with the pods warping out into next door, no one said anything in local. Have these guys really being playing EVE in isolation for so long that they can fit a T2 raven with faction mods and still have NO clue as to how intel works... because their idea of the game is that it allowed to to keep to themselves hurting no-one, until ccp **** it up by letting griefers find people in seconds with a stupidly overpowered skill/item Quote:** EDIT: btw noobs dont fly fully T2 fitted ravens....so no I dont gank noobs. I have had some da'mm good 1v1 BS action with people way older than me, so yes the adrenalin was pumping it barely counts as PvP when they have aggro from a bunch of npc's and you jump on top of them with ecm alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well

Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:49:00 - [971] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar I bet your a real laugh in your corp. SO apart from trying to derail the thread with personal attacks on me...what was yout point? That your failure to understand PvEers comes from your failure to understand that there are people not starved for attention. Originally by: Flinx Evenstar explain why I have the largest ship loss in my corp. Because even in this you are useless? Originally by: Flinx Evenstar I am a griefer because I play a game, and blow things up?...er ok You are a griefer because (if you were actually in hi-sec) you take enjoyment out of ruining the game for others. Believe it or not, there are people that just by reminding them there are people like you in the world, it ruins their day Originally by: Flinx Evenstar I will stop it straight away, because you gave me a nasty look. Like I care... Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Look me up in game, see my corp...we have fun. Thats why we play. Perhaps you missed the point about not wanting anything to do with someone like you. Me and my firends are having fun too, I assure you. Never having met you in game is probably part of it. You are right about one thing though, this is not about you and me, so go ahead, make one more round of cutsey comments if you want. I won't reply; you get a free shot. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Spuck	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:53:00 - [972] Edited by: Spuck on 07/12/2006 21:06:41 ok Sesanti... why should we mission runners not have a bit extra risk ? i guess you closed yer eyes over the last days cause it has nothing to do with extra risk it has become impossible to even survive some attacks just from the pure mass of enemies swarming you wich causes into losses that needs weeks / month of ISK farming to compensate please keep in mind that a mission runner flys some mission prefered ship, fitted for missions and still has a risk cause he has to fight the NPC rats + lag (for sure harder for unexperienced players) for now there's no mission wich gives you some relation in reward / risk regarding the current situation 1. i start a mission 2. around 10 + gankers enter my mission with recons, cloaked, whatever 3. mostly my ship goes into the nirvana 4. perhaps im lucky and escape with pod 5. the gankers are still camping my mission now 6. i come back with next ship to work the mission on 7. the circle starts over with point 3. 8. i cant finish the mission 9. i wasted my playtime for loosing tons of ISK + faction 10. another day wich will give me the great same experience of the 9 points above will anyone really tell me that this should be the intended way Eve has to work ??? and if so why isnt that the way from the beginning, did ccp lie to us 3 years ago if they offered us great new gaming experience in an unique world where everyone can be and do what he wants ? did they let me play 3 years the mission runner just to cut my gaming down to zero now ? flying a mission and get ganked is the same like you would be hunted + killed from concord everywhere - no choice - no chance - no sense - no fun this is the pure exploiting and nothing else you should see that the griefers / ganks work with nearly zero risk cause griefers cant be attacked and ganks overwhelm you with several ships... get yer asses all into deep 0.0 and fight yourself 24/7 and let all others play what they want ahh before i forget it : some of us (like me) have a big family with some kids, means we need alot small breaks (AFK's) wich is for sure no problem to handle for me during mission, think over it, peeps like me cant stare at the screen / scanner all the time to watch if someone comes or not, if this wont change back the game is over for me cause i dont want that new "playstyle" and i cant handle that with my familiar situation have a nice day
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:55:00 - [973] Originally by: Radioactive Babe it barely counts as PvP when they have aggro from a bunch of npc's and you jump on top of them with ecm err...I'm minmatar..I dont use ecm, and I take out raven with just little old me in a Typhoon, and my mate in a cheetah. Hardly a gank squad. Why you guys make so many assumptions is amazing! I will just assume that you guys that run missions are all cowards, and cant face up to combat. Is that fair...no of course not. I even told some of my corp mates that they couldnt join my gang, as I had enough firepower. I dont like gank fests. 3 people is more than enough. Frigate cruiser and BS. Persoanlly I prefer to just work with one covert....the kill mail is less crowded that way So please, you dont have a clue what half of us do out there. You just make your assumptions, and I'll keep on killing...deal?
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2006.12.07 20:59:00 - [974] Move all missions to lowsec? --- My Movies
Oen jei	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:00:00 - [975] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Radioactive Babe it barely counts as PvP when they have aggro from a bunch of npc's and you jump on top of them with ecm err...I'm minmatar..I dont use ecm, and I take out raven with just little old me in a Typhoon, and my mate in a cheetah. Hardly a gank squad. Why you guys make so many assumptions is amazing! I will just assume that you guys that run missions are all cowards, and cant face up to combat. Is that fair...no of course not. I even told some of my corp mates that they couldnt join my gang, as I had enough firepower. I dont like gank fests. 3 people is more than enough. Frigate cruiser and BS. Persoanlly I prefer to just work with one covert....the kill mail is less crowded that way So please, you dont have a clue what half of us do out there. You just make your assumptions, and I'll keep on killing...deal? Drag your ass upto todi and i'll activate a friend who will more than accommedate you
Malapropos	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:02:00 - [976] Edited by: Malapropos on 07/12/2006 21:11:08 I don't care if they fly in, aggro the lot, and I pop. Is my fault for not keeping an eye on things and warping out to recoup. Salvage the wrecks, take the loot, no problems with that either. Always more where that came from (I tend to leave it most of the time anyways). But make mission critical item secure. I have been doing missions casually to get standing up, purely for a jumpclone (and because mining is mind-numbingly dull). See no reason why that would break the game for anyone.
Zei Xeu	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:03:00 - [977] Originally by: Xoria Krint Move all missions to lowsec? Do any existing EVE players consider what brand spanking new players are supposed to do to get started in this game? Do any existing EVE players even WANT new players in this game? I'm beginning to think they don't.
Se'la Rox Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:05:00 - [978] Originally by: Radioactive Babe Hey, you are fairly new ..... could you gather a group of friends at the drop of a hat (within a few minutes) to take on a megathron that was doing the ol' ore switcharoo trick? I'm really interested to find out if a real noob can protect themselves .... I can't, and that's the whole point. I'm alone and I'm cannon fodder for pretty much any PvP player. Risk vs Reward is becoming a pointless argument, because the only people who can handle the risk (and thereby get the reward) are the people who can either handle themselves in PvP, or those who can gather a group and do it that way. Guess what? New players can't do either.
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:05:00 - [979] Originally by: Shemar You are right about one thing though, this is not about you and me, so go ahead, make one more round of cutsey comments if you want. I won't reply; you get a free shot. Thanks.. If I am so useless at it...then how come I make 200mil in 15mins of ransome. Laters
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:07:00 - [980] Originally by: Oen jei Drag your ass upto todi and i'll activate a friend who will more than accommedate you So many threats from the carebears Seems like they are the ones with the anger problems

Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:09:00 - [981] Originally by: Zei Xeu Originally by: Xoria Krint Move all missions to lowsec? Do any existing EVE players consider what brand spanking new players are supposed to do to get started in this game? Do any existing EVE players even WANT new players in this game? I'm beginning to think they don't. Don't assume that most EVE players are like the sample ignorant idiots you see here. Most players just mind their own business and often help new players. Most players have enough brains to understand that without all the new players and casual players and solo players and combinations of the above, EVE would be a bankrupt mess a long time ago. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:10:00 - [982] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Radioactive Babe it barely counts as PvP when they have aggro from a bunch of npc's and you jump on top of them with ecm err...I'm minmatar..I dont use ecm, and I take out raven with just little old me in a Typhoon, and my mate in a cheetah. Hardly a gank squad. Why you guys make so many assumptions is amazing! I will just assume that you guys that run missions are all cowards, and cant face up to combat. Is that fair...no of course not. I even told some of my corp mates that they couldnt join my gang, as I had enough firepower. I dont like gank fests. 3 people is more than enough. Frigate cruiser and BS. Persoanlly I prefer to just work with one covert....the kill mail is less crowded that way So please, you dont have a clue what half of us do out there. You just make your assumptions, and I'll keep on killing...deal? Point still stands ... PvP fitting > PvE fitting EVERY time ...especially when you have npc's helping you Also, you may fight on your own (or just a few) ... but I would invite you to look at post 1018 ... I'd say you are the exception in low sec, in high sec the griefers are almost all single players alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:11:00 - [983] Originally by: Spuck ok Sesanti... why should we mission runners not have a bit extra risk ? i guess you closed yer eyes over the last days cause it has nothing to do with extra risk it has become impossible to even survive some attacks just from the pure mass of enemies swarming you wich causes into losses that needs weeks / month of ISK farming to compensate please keep in mind that a mission runner flys some mission prefered ship, fitted for missions and still has a risk cause he has to fight the NPC rats + lag (for sure harder for unexperienced players) for now there's no mission wich gives you some relation in reward / risk regarding the current situation 1. i start a mission 2. around 10 + gankers enter my mission with recons, cloaked, whatever 3. mostly my ship goes into the nirvana 4. perhaps im lucky and escape with pod 5. the gankers are still camping my mission now 6. i come back with next ship to work the mission on 7. the circle starts over with point 3. 8. i cant finish the mission 9. i wasted my playtime for loosing tons of ISK + faction 10. another day wich will give me the great same experience of the 9 points above will anyone really tell me that this should be the intended way Eve has to work ??? and if so why isnt that the way from the beginning, did ccp lie to us 3 years ago if they offered us great new gaming experience in an unique world where everyone can be and do what he wants ? did they let me play 3 years the mission runner just to cut my gaming down to zero now ? flying a mission and get ganked is the same like you would be hunted + killed from concord everywhere - no choice - no chance - no sense - no fun this is the pure exploiting and nothing else you should see that the griefers / ganks work with nearly zero risk cause griefers cant be attacked and ganks overwhelm you with several ships... get yer asses all into deep 0.0 and fight yourself 24/7 and let all others play what they want Man, i've done several missions, and in low sec. since the patch came out, and had none of your problems. I think it's an exageration that it's a certainty that it ALWAYS happens to you or others EVERYWHERE. I fly a PVP setup when i mission, and that doesn't prevent me or hinder me from finishing them at all. I also engage NPCs aligned most of the times, so i don't get killed, in case someone warps in. I have been doing that the expansion. And if someone were to come and kill the boss or take the loot i need to finish the mission, or try to kill me, i would try to tackle him (if he's flying something i can fight against). If not, though luck, i warp out, i'll try again tomorrow. Or seek some friends to help me drive them out. And if you're jumped on 9 out of 10 times, i would seek agents somewhere else, a more quiet or safe place in low sec. You see, it's basically the same as mining, if you live in an area full of pirates, you won't be able to mine in peace. You risk being jumped on and killed, or having your ore stolen. or being ransomed, or whatever. And that's not griefing, sorry. Everyone here is discussion "how to stop griefing" and it's not griefing at all. Not even if it happens in high sec. Maybe CCP will allow for some restrictions in scanning so people don't get jumped within 2 mins into a mission (and specially, after all this "whinage"), but they shouldn't impose too heavy restrictions on it either. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Hephaesteus Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:13:00 - [984] Probing is way broken atm. I probed for missioners today and had about 5 missions in about 1 and a 1/2 minutes. Big deal adapt or die some will say, but what will you do when there are no more targets because people start leaving the game? Like it or not pve is a big part of Eve so is pvp, but without a balance Eve will die. ----------------------------------------------- Knowing all, when all is unknown.
Ratzap Gallente Old Farts	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:16:00 - [985] Originally by: Fink Angel Edited by: Fink Angel on 06/12/2006 18:47:32 When the casual players go, the income will drop, and Eve will die. Simple as that. You childish gankers can't see past the end of your own noses. Classic quote, love it. Just think though, if/when that happened wouldn't it be ironic if the mature/casual/carebear types got together to buy out the rights. Then restarted Eve and banned PvP - I'd mourn the game but I'd still laugh like a hyena ;) Ratzap
Snarls McGee	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:19:00 - [986] Originally by: Se'la Rox Risk vs Reward is becoming a pointless argument, because the only people who can handle the risk (and thereby get the reward) are the people who can either handle themselves in PvP, or those who can gather a group and do it that way. Don't call for the "Risk vs Reward" argument that the griefers are throwing out here. The mission runner is facing a FAR greater risk (risk of ship, risk of Mission Objective, risk of LPs, risk of ISK, risk of mission bonus) while the griefer risks NOTHING as they hide behind a bunch of mission NPCs and CONCORD. Seriously, for all this talk I always heard about the population of EVE being inherintly more mature than other MMORPGs I've yet to see it..
Sari Yanma	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:20:00 - [987] Edited by: Sari Yanma on 07/12/2006 21:36:12 Edited by: Sari Yanma on 07/12/2006 21:35:51 Originally by: Flinx Evenstar I will just assume that you guys that run missions are all cowards, and cant face up to combat. Is that fair...no of course not. You can't tell whether they are cowards before meeting them, that's true. But you can with much certainty assume that they can't face up to combat, because most of the time that's exactly the case. Most PvEr I know are prepared to face a serious challenge in a lvl4 mission (you ever did one, I'm sure you know what it's like), but adding an undetermined gankship in the equation is more than can be assumed, unless the guy is doing lvl2 in a full T2 BS. And you get in, with you friend no less, and seemingly ingenuously presume that your target have some sort of fun with a ganker (who would probably be a respectable challenge all by himself) on top of probably half a dozen NPC pounding on his tank. EDIT : I f-worded the quotes. Sorry for my forum underleetness, and all.
Oen jei	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:23:00 - [988] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Oen jei Drag your ass upto todi and i'll activate a friend who will more than accommedate you So many threats from the carebears Seems like they are the ones with the anger problems Oh no my friend your -7 and 4 mil bounty aint enough to get me outta the station normally, but i would gladly stick a 30 day on just to wipe the grin off your face, 4 mill i had bigger bounties placed killing macro'ers in palas
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:23:00 - [989] Originally by: sesanti blah blah I R UBER blah I dare you to go to visit our charming and friendly neighbour flinx in Otsasai .. nanophoon with cheetah scrambling ..... Note to self, scramble and pop the cheetah, loot the cov ops if left and warp out alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:27:00 - [990] Edited by: Radioactive Babe on 07/12/2006 21:27:18 Originally by: Sari Yanma Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Radioactive Babe I will just assume that you guys that run missions are all cowards, and cant face up to combat. Is that fair...no of course not. You can't tell whether they are cowards before meeting them, that's true. But you can with much certainty assume that they can't face up to combat, because most of the time that's exactly the case. Most PvEr I know are prepared to face a serious challenge in a lvl4 mission (you ever did one, I'm sure you know what it's like), but adding an undetermined gankship in the equation is more than can be assumed, unless the guy is doing lvl2 in a full T2 BS. And you get in, with you friend no less, and seemingly ingenuously presume that your target have some sort of fun with a ganker (who would probably be a respectable challenge all by himself) on top of probably half a dozen NPC pounding on his tank. wtf is this, have a look at the thread i never said that, if you are quoting some numb nuts that changed what the meaning of what i said then plz remove it/change to original alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well

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