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sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:28:00 - [991] Edited by: sesanti on 07/12/2006 21:32:09 Edited by: sesanti on 07/12/2006 21:29:49 Originally by: Radioactive Babe Originally by: sesanti blah blah I R UBER blah I dare you to go to visit our charming and friendly neighbour flinx in Otsasai .. nanophoon with cheetah scrambling ..... Note to self, scramble and pop the cheetah, loot the cov ops if left and warp out I never meant to be uber, i just use the tools at my disposal to try not to get killed. And post with some argument, not some "blah blah I R UBER blah"... i don't tell that to people here who oppose what i think or MOCK them altogether, i just give them some reasoning to backup my arguments. Of which "blah blah I R UBER blah" is definitely not. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Exlegion Caldari Legion's Knight	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:33:00 - [992] Edited by: Exlegion on 07/12/2006 21:33:44 Flinx, You are waiving your epeen like it really means something out in the real world. Go on, keep defending your exploiting buddies. You are truly helping your cause, And no, you aren't upsetting me. It's just really weird to see how your bunch actually stand up to your reputation in game.
Spuck	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:33:00 - [993] Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Spuck ok Sesanti... why should we mission runners not have a bit extra risk ? i guess you closed yer eyes over the last days cause it has nothing to do with extra risk it has become impossible to even survive some attacks just from the pure mass of enemies swarming you wich causes into losses that needs weeks / month of ISK farming to compensate please keep in mind that a mission runner flys some mission prefered ship, fitted for missions and still has a risk cause he has to fight the NPC rats + lag (for sure harder for unexperienced players) for now there's no mission wich gives you some relation in reward / risk regarding the current situation 1. i start a mission 2. around 10 + gankers enter my mission with recons, cloaked, whatever 3. mostly my ship goes into the nirvana 4. perhaps im lucky and escape with pod 5. the gankers are still camping my mission now 6. i come back with next ship to work the mission on 7. the circle starts over with point 3. 8. i cant finish the mission 9. i wasted my playtime for loosing tons of ISK + faction 10. another day wich will give me the great same experience of the 9 points above will anyone really tell me that this should be the intended way Eve has to work ??? and if so why isnt that the way from the beginning, did ccp lie to us 3 years ago if they offered us great new gaming experience in an unique world where everyone can be and do what he wants ? did they let me play 3 years the mission runner just to cut my gaming down to zero now ? flying a mission and get ganked is the same like you would be hunted + killed from concord everywhere - no choice - no chance - no sense - no fun this is the pure exploiting and nothing else you should see that the griefers / ganks work with nearly zero risk cause griefers cant be attacked and ganks overwhelm you with several ships... get yer asses all into deep 0.0 and fight yourself 24/7 and let all others play what they want Man, i've done several missions, and in low sec. since the patch came out, and had none of your problems. I think it's an exageration that it's a certainty that it ALWAYS happens to you or others EVERYWHERE. I fly a PVP setup when i mission, and that doesn't prevent me or hinder me from finishing them at all. I also engage NPCs aligned most of the times, so i don't get killed, in case someone warps in. I have been doing that the expansion. And if someone were to come and kill the boss or take the loot i need to finish the mission, or try to kill me, i would try to tackle him (if he's flying something i can fight against). If not, though luck, i warp out, i'll try again tomorrow. Or seek some friends to help me drive them out. And if you're jumped on 9 out of 10 times, i would seek agents somewhere else, a more quiet or safe place in low sec. You see, it's basically the same as mining, if you live in an area full of pirates, you won't be able to mine in peace. You risk being jumped on and killed, or having your ore stolen. or being ransomed, or whatever. And that's not griefing, sorry. Everyone here is discussion "how to stop griefing" and it's not griefing at all. Not even if it happens in high sec. Maybe CCP will allow for some restrictions in scanning so people don't get jumped within 2 mins into a mission (and specially, after all this "whinage"), but they shouldn't impose too heavy restrictions on it either. you are my hero !
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:35:00 - [994] Originally by: Spuck Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Spuck ok Sesanti... why should we mission runners not have a bit extra risk ? i guess you closed yer eyes over the last days cause it has nothing to do with extra risk it has become impossible to even survive some attacks just from the pure mass of enemies swarming you wich causes into losses that needs weeks / month of ISK farming to compensate please keep in mind that a mission runner flys some mission prefered ship, fitted for missions and still has a risk cause he has to fight the NPC rats + lag (for sure harder for unexperienced players) for now there's no mission wich gives you some relation in reward / risk regarding the current situation 1. i start a mission 2. around 10 + gankers enter my mission with recons, cloaked, whatever 3. mostly my ship goes into the nirvana 4. perhaps im lucky and escape with pod 5. the gankers are still camping my mission now 6. i come back with next ship to work the mission on 7. the circle starts over with point 3. 8. i cant finish the mission 9. i wasted my playtime for loosing tons of ISK + faction 10. another day wich will give me the great same experience of the 9 points above will anyone really tell me that this should be the intended way Eve has to work ??? and if so why isnt that the way from the beginning, did ccp lie to us 3 years ago if they offered us great new gaming experience in an unique world where everyone can be and do what he wants ? did they let me play 3 years the mission runner just to cut my gaming down to zero now ? flying a mission and get ganked is the same like you would be hunted + killed from concord everywhere - no choice - no chance - no sense - no fun this is the pure exploiting and nothing else you should see that the griefers / ganks work with nearly zero risk cause griefers cant be attacked and ganks overwhelm you with several ships... get yer asses all into deep 0.0 and fight yourself 24/7 and let all others play what they want Man, i've done several missions, and in low sec. since the patch came out, and had none of your problems. I think it's an exageration that it's a certainty that it ALWAYS happens to you or others EVERYWHERE. I fly a PVP setup when i mission, and that doesn't prevent me or hinder me from finishing them at all. I also engage NPCs aligned most of the times, so i don't get killed, in case someone warps in. I have been doing that the expansion. And if someone were to come and kill the boss or take the loot i need to finish the mission, or try to kill me, i would try to tackle him (if he's flying something i can fight against). If not, though luck, i warp out, i'll try again tomorrow. Or seek some friends to help me drive them out. And if you're jumped on 9 out of 10 times, i would seek agents somewhere else, a more quiet or safe place in low sec. You see, it's basically the same as mining, if you live in an area full of pirates, you won't be able to mine in peace. You risk being jumped on and killed, or having your ore stolen. or being ransomed, or whatever. And that's not griefing, sorry. Everyone here is discussion "how to stop griefing" and it's not griefing at all. Not even if it happens in high sec. Maybe CCP will allow for some restrictions in scanning so people don't get jumped within 2 mins into a mission (and specially, after all this "whinage"), but they shouldn't impose too heavy restrictions on it either. you are my hero ! _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Fenderson Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:36:00 - [995] sigh.... so many people taling in such extreme terms.... Is it a crime to want to make a little isk solo in relative safety?
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:38:00 - [996] Originally by: sesanti Edited by: sesanti on 07/12/2006 21:32:09 Edited by: sesanti on 07/12/2006 21:29:49 Originally by: Radioactive Babe Originally by: sesanti blah blah I R UBER blah I dare you to go to visit our charming and friendly neighbour flinx in Otsasai .. nanophoon with cheetah scrambling ..... Note to self, scramble and pop the cheetah, loot the cov ops if left and warp out I never meant to be uber, i just use the tools at my disposal to try not to get killed. And post with some argument, not some "blah blah I R UBER blah"... i don't tell that to people here who oppose what i think or MOCK them altogether, i just give them some reasoning to backup my arguments. Of which "blah blah I R UBER blah" is definitely not. you are in the tiny minority of lvl 4 mission runners that fits for pvp, because it gimps peoples tank so much (maybe not yours, or you are happy to warp out multiple times) .... in some missions the incoming damage is too much for A LOT of players (hence the faction/officer fittings) You can see that the guy borderline griefer/pirate has a cov ops that sneaks up and scrambles you, because he knows that you will be extremely unlikely to have a WCS on because of the nerf, if he gets it on you in time and puts a couple of sensor dampners on you, you are stuffed Calling him borderline griefer because 3 bs's versus a 8 day old character is not cool alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well
Sari Yanma	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:38:00 - [997] Originally by: Fenderson sigh.... so many people taling in such extreme terms.... Is it a crime to want to make a little isk solo in relative safety? It seems safe to assume so. Apparently.
Selena 001	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:41:00 - [998] At page 25, the general concensus was: the griefing was someone warping in but not engaging the mission runner in comabt. Now its changed slightly to low sec ganking and PvP. Seems to have lost the plot again so here goes. Someone was complaining that people were griefing him by entering his mission and generally *** it up (by anything BUT combat) just for giggles. THIS is what the problem was/is. Not the combat (which is to be expected wherever you go in EVE). Can you guys 'n gals get back on topic? ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:43:00 - [999] Originally by: Fenderson sigh.... so many people taling in such extreme terms.... Is it a crime to want to make a little isk solo in relative safety? Well, yes it is. EVE is made for me and those five guys over there. The rest of you better bug off right now. I am the only interesting person around anyhow and later in life I plan to start my own cult. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Flinx Evenstar Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:44:00 - [1000] Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 07/12/2006 21:45:44 Originally by: Exlegion Edited by: Exlegion on 07/12/2006 21:33:44 Flinx, You are waiving your epeen like it really means something out in the real world. Go on, keep defending your exploiting buddies. You are truly helping your cause, And no, you aren't upsetting me. It's just really weird to see how your bunch actually stand up to your reputation in game. You said you wouldnt respond...you liar..EDIT...oops it wasnt you sorry And do you always talk about individuals as "your bunch" Love the use of stereotyping. And there is no exploiting done here, dont throw aqusations round like that if you cant back it up. We are playing a game, its just we are a little bit better at it than you oh and btw...mine is HUGE

Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:46:00 - [1001] Originally by: Selena 001 At page 25, the general concensus was: the griefing was someone warping in but not engaging the mission runner in comabt. Now its changed slightly to low sec ganking and PvP. Seems to have lost the plot again so here goes. Someone was complaining that people were griefing him by entering his mission and generally *** it up (by anything BUT combat) just for giggles. THIS is what the problem was/is. Not the combat (which is to be expected wherever you go in EVE). Can you guys 'n gals get back on topic? hehe .... you are correct ... but, aside from people (including myself) dragging the bloody thing all over the place off topic ... we are discussing one of the hot topics of the day i.e. the "we r teh uber masters of all eve and you r our servants, now DIE DIE DIE coz my epeen is teeny tiny" type stand that a lot of so called pvpers have taken is alienating a large portion of the playerbase ... as topics of the day go, they dont get much bigger than this alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well
Soporo	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:50:00 - [1002] Edited by: Soporo on 07/12/2006 21:57:13 Anyone that enters a missioners mission and pops the boss is just griefing pure and simple. Love it or hate it, PVE is here to stay. If you want casuals and noobs to sign up and STAY signed up, then this sort of thing needs to be stopped or mitigated. Hell, I would just be happy with aggression occuring on anyone (non-gang) who ENTERS your mission area coupled with instant NPC aggro to the mission invader.
nickky01 Viziam	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:52:00 - [1003] Originally by: Radioactive Babe Originally by: sesanti Edited by: sesanti on 07/12/2006 21:32:09 Edited by: sesanti on 07/12/2006 21:29:49 Originally by: Radioactive Babe Originally by: sesanti blah blah I R UBER blah I dare you to go to visit our charming and friendly neighbour flinx in Otsasai .. nanophoon with cheetah scrambling ..... Note to self, scramble and pop the cheetah, loot the cov ops if left and warp out I never meant to be uber, i just use the tools at my disposal to try not to get killed. And post with some argument, not some "blah blah I R UBER blah"... i don't tell that to people here who oppose what i think or MOCK them altogether, i just give them some reasoning to backup my arguments. Of which "blah blah I R UBER blah" is definitely not. you are in the tiny minority of lvl 4 mission runners that fits for pvp, because it gimps peoples tank so much (maybe not yours, or you are happy to warp out multiple times) .... in some missions the incoming damage is too much for A LOT of players (hence the faction/officer fittings) You can see that the guy borderline griefer/pirate has a cov ops that sneaks up and scrambles you, because he knows that you will be extremely unlikely to have a WCS on because of the nerf, if he gets it on you in time and puts a couple of sensor dampners on you, you are stuffed Calling him borderline griefer because 3 bs's versus a 8 day old character is not cool when i was 8 days old i was terrified of low sec...i didn't know how to check ahead for pirate camps with the map, i just knew that if i went into low sec i would probably die...the one time i almost did a handy little box came up and warned me... -------------------------- this is my main :(
Selena 001	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:53:00 - [1004] Originally by: Radioactive Babe hehe .... you are correct ... but, aside from people (including myself) dragging the bloody thing all over the place off topic ... we are discussing one of the hot topics of the day i.e. the "we r teh uber masters of all eve and you r our servants, now DIE DIE DIE coz my epeen is teeny tiny" type stand that a lot of so called pvpers have taken is alienating a large portion of the playerbase ... as topics of the day go, they dont get much bigger than this alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well Oooooooohh sorry. I tuned out after page 26 for like... 15 minutes... Just wondering... Why didn't someone start a new thread about the whole Risk Vs Reward thing? A timeless classic and you'd have a good 10 pager by now... ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:59:00 - [1005] Originally by: Selena 001 Originally by: Radioactive Babe hehe .... you are correct ... but, aside from people (including myself) dragging the bloody thing all over the place off topic ... we are discussing one of the hot topics of the day i.e. the "we r teh uber masters of all eve and you r our servants, now DIE DIE DIE coz my epeen is teeny tiny" type stand that a lot of so called pvpers have taken is alienating a large portion of the playerbase ... as topics of the day go, they dont get much bigger than this alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well Oooooooohh sorry. I tuned out after page 26 for like... 15 minutes... Just wondering... Why didn't someone start a new thread about the whole Risk Vs Reward thing? A timeless classic and you'd have a good 10 pager by now... hehe ... and thats the reason why, trying to keep tabs on multiple topics argh And anyway, a lot of the griefbears seem to have moved off to other topics themselves (or just plain busy blowing up guys doing missions that didnt read the forums ) alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well
Sidrew Gallente Circle of Friends	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:06:00 - [1006] And now... for something completely different... Disclaimer: There's absolutely no way I'm going to read all 35 pages of this post... nope... none. Ok, so I've been puttering around in this game since the beginning.. nearly. I've never really had an overabundance of playing time, as that drasted "real-life" thingie beckons most times. With that understanding, I've not had the time to join some deep 0.0 group and rule the galaxy and I've never been lucky enough to win the BPO lottery. (I'm thinking I have a better chance of hitting the REAL lotto). Anyhoo, so I finally grinded up enough faction to not only get a jump-clone but also start piddling around with L4 missions out of good ole' Murethand over in Verge Vendor. I've been able to get through a couple of them in my trusty Dominix since the patch with no problems. Today I was tooling through a "Zazzmatazz" mission during my one free hour of the day and I was startled to find a rather large group of folks (SEC < -5.0) show up in my mission space. I hadn't read the forums in a while, so I didn't know that this was now rather commonplace. Being the good little scaredy-kat that I am, I was already up to speed and aligned to my nearest stargate, took a few moments to wonder "WTF?!" ... and decided it was in my best interests to beat a hasty retreat. My tank holds against those silly English Knnnnigits!... er... NPCs... but 6'ish pirates on top of that... not so much. I shed a couple of tears for my lost drones and decided to ask a few questions of the newcomers... and this was the extent of the conversation... Sidrew > Well... that wasn't terribly nice. Sidrew > Y'all don't have nearly enough to do, eh? Nidhoggur > dear sid, this <i>is</i> what we do. Sidrew > Ahh.. they finally added a "Griefer" profession, eh? Nidhoggur > was only a matter of time. Sidrew > Well.. y'all aren't dangerous... just annoying. Nidhoggur > we aim to please. Sidrew > So... yay for you! :) So, wow... whole corporations dedicated to ruining my few moments of play time. (Yes, I'm THAT egocentric!...) But, really... I'm sure there are more than 2 people who play the way I do... and for similar reasons. I honestly wonder how many people won't play at all with the inability to do a mission casually. I wonder if our monthly fees spend differently... hmm. Since everything works via cause and effect, I suspect what will happen is that this will ebb and flow much like the tides. As the mission griefing waxes... the mission running will wane... and when that does... the griefers will return to 0.0 or whatever else they were doing. And as that happens... mission runners will come out from under our rocks... and sneak in a mission or three, which will of course begin the cycle anew. Of the few posts I read on page number one of this thread, there were many "Get thee to 0.0 if you're able to solo high-level missions on yer own, you stinkin' carebear!" To this, I wonder why aren't griefers out in 0.0 either? Is it so tough for them that they must return to empire to pick on easy targets out doing missions in their somewhat less-than-ample free time? (Egocentric, remember?!) What did these griefers do before the new scanning probes?... Gate camping?... MISSIONS?!... I'm actually curious to know. In response to my petition question about this... GM Fear made it clear that it was indeed INTENDED for folks to be able to scan into missions and to therefore pounce on you. So... I reckon I'm stuck finding something else to do... maybe I'll finally win something in the next BPO lotto. (heh... ya right). Sidrew I am Jack's complete lack of surprise...
Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:11:00 - [1007] Originally by: sesanti i don't tell that to people here who oppose what i think or MOCK them altogether, i just give them some reasoning to backup my arguments. Of which "blah blah I R UBER blah" is definitely not. Your whole reasoning is "don't play the game the way you like and the way you have been playing it for years, play it the way I tell you. Do I even have to tell you how uselsess that 'argument' is? ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Odelett	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:24:00 - [1008] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 07/12/2006 21:45:44 Originally by: Exlegion Edited by: Exlegion on 07/12/2006 21:33:44 Flinx, You are waiving your epeen like it really means something out in the real world. Go on, keep defending your exploiting buddies. You are truly helping your cause, And no, you aren't upsetting me. It's just really weird to see how your bunch actually stand up to your reputation in game. You said you wouldnt respond...you liar..EDIT...oops it wasnt you sorry And do you always talk about individuals as "your bunch" Love the use of stereotyping. And there is no exploiting done here, dont throw aqusations round like that if you cant back it up. We are playing a game, its just we are a little bit better at it than you oh and btw...mine is HUGE There, have some more smileys
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:31:00 - [1009] Originally by: Sidrew In response to my petition question about this... GM Fear made it clear that it was indeed INTENDED for folks to be able to scan into missions and to therefore pounce on you. bang That was the sound of CCP shooting themselves in the foot .... nerf the many to feed the few tsk tsk I dont know ... I really liked this game and have so much effort/money and time invested in it ... but clickety ...my two accounts gone CCP ... I'll have a look back in 6 months if its still here ... I know I know the griefers will be say ..."nahh ... you didnt go, all talk" .... CCP can see that two of my accounts are subscription cancelled 10 Dec and 2nd Jan - I'm no nub, have a 30mil sp char and a 26 mil char on the second account .... but like I saw in someones sig ... "no matter how good she looks, someone is sick of putting up with her *" .. and I'm sick of putting up with EvE ** .... * To the inevitable moron: No you cant have my stuff alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well
Alisha Retaris Caldari Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:32:00 - [1010] Another thing that is happening is with the agent mission runners heading to safer grounds is major trafic jams in systems that were quiet before the patch. Now I live in 0.0 95% of the time so this dosent affect me verry much but something needs to be done because this has had an exact oppisite effect of CCP's desire to move people out of high sec. They are running back to high sec from low sec and probally even from 0.0 thanks to Revelations new scanning system. Now I don't know what if anything will be done or even have any ideals on how to fix the problem I'll leave that up to the devs.

Exlegion Caldari Legion's Knight	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:34:00 - [1011] Edited by: Exlegion on 07/12/2006 22:42:58 Edited by: Exlegion on 07/12/2006 22:40:42 Edited by: Exlegion on 07/12/2006 22:36:30 Originally by: Flinx Evenstar You said you wouldnt respond...you liar..EDIT...oops it wasnt you sorry And do you always talk about individuals as "your bunch" Love the use of stereotyping. And there is no exploiting done here, dont throw aqusations round like that if you cant back it up. We are playing a game, its just we are a little bit better at it than you oh and btw...mine is HUGE You want me to back up my accusations? Read your posts and you will find all the proof you need, sir. Edit: [sigh] and again, I really don't care whether you ARE L33t in EVE or not. Seriously, Flinx, it really doesn't mean anything in the real world. And telling me that your **** is big, now I just feel like you're coming on to me
Mollyanna	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:36:00 - [1012] Well Sid, they(CCP) just made it abundantly clear to you, that you are not welcome here save as a freebie victim to the gankers. The only question remaining, is what to do about that. And we all seem to be coming up with the same answer, don't we ? -M
Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.07 22:47:00 - [1013] Originally by: Radioactive Babe Originally by: Sidrew In response to my petition question about this... GM Fear made it clear that it was indeed INTENDED for folks to be able to scan into missions and to therefore pounce on you. bang That was the sound of CCP shooting themselves in the foot .... nerf the many to feed the few tsk tsk I dont know ... I really liked this game and have so much effort/money and time invested in it ... but clickety ...my two accounts gone CCP ... I'll have a look back in 6 months if its still here ... That example was in low-sec and to be honest, being in low sec automatically means you are ok with random agression from others. If people want not to be attacked, they shoud stay in high-sec. I won't agree with those that want the higher rewards of low-sec but also want immunity from attacks. Kieron said they are looking into ways of making mission griefing more difficult: Although the patch notes have not been assembled yet, the Devs have been working on a number of fixes and improvements for Tuesday's Revelations 1.2 patch. Among the items under consideration for the patch are: Originally by: kieron Adjustments to the scan system so that: -griefing mission runners in deadspace complexes is more difficult, and -scan results are easier to interpret, Granted a bit vague and I doubt they'll get it right the first time, but don't let them get to you. Do you really think CCP does not know where the money is coming from? ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision*
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.12.07 23:33:00 - [1014] Originally by: Shemar Originally by: kieron *Adjustments to the scan system so that: -griefing mission runners in deadspace complexes is more difficult, and -scan results are easier to interpret, Granted a bit vague and I doubt they'll get it right the first time, but don't let them get to you. Do you really think CCP does not know where the money is coming from? nahh .. its done .... a lot of the whorums will be glad to see one less dissenting voice to their view of how eve should work...... Its not just this current nerf, its the ongoing nerfs ... CCP claim to want to get people to low sec/0.0 and then turn around and give the gankbears tools to kill all comers. I'm not just talking about overpowered scanning, its the large bubbles, the threat of dictors in low sec etc etc etc ... they seem to be aiming for counterstrike in space, good luck with that ... CCP have proven themselves inept on so many occasions and their handling of obvious exploits and griefing is pathetic ..... remember when they said it was an exploit one time to use wasp drones because they broke them and they were overpowered. Why havent they said that using probing to get into someones mission and break it an exploit???? the answer; they havent a clue what their playerbase is made up of, and what it will put up with... they seem to want people in 0.0 a lot, enough to hassle everyone in empire, maybe this is their master plan to beat lag, spread the entire population evenly over all systems one thing is for certain, they are going for broke now (in the literal sense as well) with Kali I'll be using the next few days to get 6 clones out of 0.0 to empire for safe storage .... grr, that must be a few hundred jumps ... and then set Caldari BS5 on both accounts as its fairly easy to see which way the wind is blowing No decent space MMO's is a problem though, I'm fupped if I'm going playing wow ... hmmm ...what else is there? alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well
FooB2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2006.12.08 00:15:00 - [1015] someone do me a big favour, and give me the skinny on this thread by condesing all current 36 pages of "whine i cant carebear enough" into a paragraph or two.
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.08 00:20:00 - [1016] Originally by: FooB2 someone do me a big favour, and give me the skinny on this thread by condesing all current 36 pages of "whine i cant carebear enough" into a paragraph or two. Some people feel that griefing missionrunners is too easy and that since griefing is bad something should be done. other people tell them to grow a spine and learn to protect themselves while whining that griefplay gets nerfed unfairly since everyone should be able to play the way they want. -----
Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2006.12.08 00:21:00 - [1017] I started as a complaint about specific grief tactics that ppl could use in high sec missions....with some people actually having valid responses and ideas. It's now the typical pvp-nonpvp flame fest. I'm just an Alt....but my main doesn't have a sig either.
Tricit Caldari Dark Entropy iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.08 00:23:00 - [1018] Edited by: Tricit on 08/12/2006 00:29:01 I just read the first page, I don't want to read 36 pages of crap from both sides. I will say, I like both PvP and missions. I particularly like to run missions when having the chance of being attacked, but not for it to occur every single time there's a pirate in local. That is complete and utter bullcrap. They should at best have a 20% chance of tracking you, and the retime should be half the length of the average L4. Attacking/high-sec-griefing a mission runner with 98% or higher chance of success will ruin the game. Many people think this will do some things: 1: Get rid of useless players that do not PvP, get rid of lag 2: Get people into other stuff besides mission running to make money and get into PvP possibly. I will say, these things will happen, but at the same time: 3: Many people who PvP and use missions as income to do so will quit (not all, but a lot) 4: So many people will start moving out of EvE, whether they be full or half carebear, the game will not be self sustaining, or atleast sustain is a manner to proper have it keept up with. so basically, being able to grief/gank mission runners with such ease as it is now is a road to self destruction. Some may say this is over exaggerated, well, I PvP sometimes and run missions some times. Right now, Star Trek: Online looks pretty nice, although I think they're going in the wrong direction with that game too in it's development. So you may relish it now, but soon the mission runners will be in high-sec. Then "many" will quit because high-sec mission running isn't enough. Then "many" pirates will start griefing in high sec mission runners because getting mission runners is what "many" pirates do. Then a "majority" of high-sec mission carebears ("some" PvP mission runners) will quit because it's annoying. Finally, this game "will" depress into slower content and technical progression. I'm "not" saying it will doom this game for all, maybe over half. However, it certainly will lower CCPs profit over time and get the game lower ratings ( EVE currently gets high ratings, and I agree with them).
Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.08 00:24:00 - [1019] Originally by: Radioactive Babe they seem to want people in 0.0 a lot, enough to hassle everyone in empire, maybe this is their master plan to beat lag, spread the entire population evenly over all systems one thing is for certain, they are going for broke now (in the literal sense as well) with Kali Well, I may have to agree there. CCP has made most of the fundamental changes to gameplay in an effort to push people out of empire and into 0.0 and every single time (for the 2+ years I have been around) they have succeeded in the exact opposite. And it still amazes me that they don't get the simple fact that they have 150k subs because of the PVEers and that no amount of motives is going to turn people with no interest in PvP inot PvPers, they will just quit. Originally by: Radioactive Babe I'll be using the next few days to get 6 clones out of 0.0 to empire for safe storage .... grr, that must be a few hundred jumps ... and then set Caldari BS5 on both accounts as its fairly easy to see which way the wind is blowing No decent space MMO's is a problem though, I'm fupped if I'm going playing wow ... hmmm ...what else is there? I have to admit I have made plans for when I will be first harassed on missions (hasn't happened yet), but they are in terms of what I call "grief awareness program" that involves intensifying the griefing problems and increasing the voices of complaints and people quitting EVE ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
Tricit Caldari Dark Entropy iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.08 00:31:00 - [1020] Edited by: Tricit on 08/12/2006 00:31:10 Well, this works for me either way. I might quit because I can be picked off 100% of the time when someone who wants to get me goes for me The working part is that this will mean I have more time with family and looking at myself in the mirror. sighs me...

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