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Nortion Adoulin
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Posted - 2015.08.05 22:13:33 -
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As most of you know a very large % of moons have inactive POS in position preventing any one form setting up a working one with out paying a ransom to the POS place holder to get a spot. This makes no sense as it actively removes revenue (Charters and Tax) from the local government as a inactive POS costs nothing to keep sitting there blocking the spot.
Any one wanting to set up a active POS should be able to get them removed by local forces or force the owner to put the POS online within 24 hours. If this is not done then the POS is impounded and removed.
Every POS must have charters installed weather online or not and after 48 hours of going off line they should use charters at an increased rate to off set the lost revenue to the local economy.
If the POS has run out of charters then it could be listed as a hazard to navigation and either impounded and removed or it could be destroyed.
Please give you opinions and alternative ideas. Thank you |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2015.08.05 22:20:25 -
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This is a high sec "problem" the solution is quite simple, declare war on the corp controlling the tower and shoot it.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.05 22:29:11 -
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Have you tried shooting the POS?
If you don't want to do it yourself, pay a mercenary to do it for you.
(I'll kill it for 500mil) |
Ele Rebellion
Dead Star Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.08.05 23:07:32 -
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If its a dead stick it won't reinforce. just drop a couple dreads on it and it'll be gone pretty quick.
or in case of Highsec. wardec the corp. then during random hours they don't play on drop a whole fleet of battleships on it, after it goes poof. drop the Wardec. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
8472
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Posted - 2015.08.05 23:11:21 -
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Counter-proposal to OP: If you want it, either negotiate for it or take it down by force. NPCs are not there to do "capsuleer work."
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Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2015.08.05 23:19:23 -
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There are lots of empty moons in hisec, do some scouting. You can also send out offer mails (or wardecs) to offline tower owners. Before you demand someone else give you an 'easy button', put in the effort. A small offline tower is pretty easy to blap in a few hours or less. |
Madd Adda
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Posted - 2015.08.05 23:23:43 -
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I'm no expert in the ways of blapping POSs but what if the corp that once owned a POS, closes? Does the POS remain? If so, how can you dec the owners if they aren't around anymore?
I offer two suggestion:
1. in the event that the POS remains even after a corp closes, have them free to shoot (even in high sec). 2. have the resistances on offline POSs degrade over time after getting offlined. I'd say the lowest, resistance would be 50% and have those reduced resistances restored to normal upon onlining the POS. Have an indicator as to how the resistances are at present when close to the POS. This way, people either are encouraged to online them more often, or give them up their spot to others.
Carebear extraordinaire
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Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2015.08.05 23:29:35 -
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I'll just leave this here |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.08.06 01:31:55 -
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Madd Adda wrote:I'm no expert in the ways of blapping POSs but what if the corp that once owned a POS, closes? Does the POS remain? If so, how can you dec the owners if they aren't around anymore?. Yes the POS remains in space and you know what these are the easiest POS to bash. Determine owner of POS. File war dec with Concord. 24 hours later destroy the thing with NO chance that someone may fight back.
But there is no one from the corp online anymore you say. Hey no big deal they do not have to be online for your WD to go active.
Tried to WD but Concord will not accept for some reason then file a support ticket with CCP, if your information is accurate I am sure they have the ability to A) remove dead POS or B) activate your WD.
No matter how you slice it up, or how nicely you ask you cannot have an easy button for POS removal. Well except for simply asking the corp and hoping they will remove it for you. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.06 02:28:40 -
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Mercenaries. this is the kind of thing you can pay us to do for you
look in here for any of the [Merc] threads
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
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Posted - 2015.08.06 03:19:45 -
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I really can't believe that "post about it on F&I" came before "I should probably just shoot it".
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
1975
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Posted - 2015.08.06 03:50:03 -
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If you really think that the majority of moons in hisec already have POSes anchored there, active or otherwise, then you are sorely, sorely mistaken. I suggest you go a few more systems out and you will find empty moons.
And, if you just really, absolutely, have to have a moon in a certain system that's occupied...contact me in game. I take POSes down for a fee.
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FireFrenzy
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
551
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Posted - 2015.08.06 06:59:54 -
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Polarized torp bombers for offline posses DPS fit marauders for dickstars... Take the guns down first and then dismantle the whole thing...
I have taken down a large tower with 6 sets of sentry drones... you can afford to use your 1k+ dps murder machines |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1757
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Posted - 2015.08.06 07:08:31 -
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FireFrenzy wrote:Polarized torp bombers for offline posses DPS fit marauders for dickstars... Take the guns down first and then dismantle the whole thing...
I have taken down a large tower with 6 sets of sentry drones... you can afford to use your 1k+ dps murder machines
Seems like a lot of hassle: oracles, T1 crystals and a good TV show FTW. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.08.06 07:27:24 -
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They ate not preventing you from anything except maybe get something for nothing
You want them evicted do it yourself
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1757
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Posted - 2015.08.06 07:29:19 -
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I'd be sympathetic to a request to not be required to grind the shield HP when the thing is offline, mind you. |
Nortion Adoulin
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Posted - 2015.08.06 08:02:29 -
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Most of these spots are held buy corporation's that are holding multiple POS's in popular systems. For a small corps with little money just trying to get off the ground getting into a war is not a good idea as these guys will probably change there ownership to a second corp or remove one POS to allow you to garb a spot then come back and kill you POS and take that spot back. I know how eve works " F**K with my business and your going to get smashed."
Hire Mercenaries. That's you answer to everything! To small to defend yourself against larger corps Hire Mercenaries Need a POS spot Hire Mercenaries Some little **** is trying to take one of you many offline POS Hire Mercenaries and kill him repeatedly
I don't want or need to get into a WAR. How many of these offline POS are held buy a corps owned by a larger faction or corp.
DON'T CARE JUST BLOW **** UP!
Guess what I don't have the time/skills or isk to go around getting into wars that I am going to lose.
I just want to use a POS in a place were no one else is using one. If they online there POS they can keep them but not just block everyone else with a inactive tower.
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
595
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Posted - 2015.08.06 08:39:09 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I really can't believe that "post about it on F&I" came before "I should probably just shoot it".
I vaguely remember some issue about not being able to wardec a corp that was closed?
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Lu Ziffer
Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.08.06 09:08:08 -
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Nortion Adoulin wrote:Most of these spots are held buy corporation's that are holding multiple POS's in popular systems. For a small corps with little money just trying to get off the ground getting into a war is not a good idea as these guys will probably change there ownership to a second corp or remove one POS to allow you to garb a spot then come back and kill you POS and take that spot back. I know how eve works " F**K with my business and your going to get smashed."
Hire Mercenaries. That's you answer to everything! To small to defend yourself against larger corps Hire Mercenaries Need a POS spot Hire Mercenaries Some little **** is trying to take one of you many offline POS Hire Mercenaries and kill him repeatedly
I don't want or need to get into a WAR. How many of these offline POS are held buy a corps owned by a larger faction or corp.
DON'T CARE JUST BLOW **** UP!
Guess what I don't have the time/skills or isk to go around getting into wars that I am going to lose.
I may not need to keep a POS there long before I move on to a new system so there no point in spending millions of isk to get a spot I may only need for a few months I never get my investment back. I just want to use a POS in a place were no one else is using one. If they online there POS they can keep them but not just block everyone else with a inactive tower. ?? So you want CCP todo your job? not going to happen. Get a oracle with t1 weapons and t1 ammo fit it capstable and kill the tower and stop being so afraid. In EVE you have to work for stuff. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.06 09:29:29 -
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Nortion Adoulin wrote:Most of these spots are held buy corporation's that are holding multiple POS's in popular systems. For a small corps with little money just trying to get off the ground getting into a war is not a good idea as these guys will probably change there ownership to a second corp or remove one POS to allow you to garb a spot then come back and kill you POS and take that spot back. I know how eve works " F**K with my business and your going to get smashed."
Hire Mercenaries. That's you answer to everything! To small to defend yourself against larger corps Hire Mercenaries Need a POS spot Hire Mercenaries Some little **** is trying to take one of you many offline POS Hire Mercenaries and kill him repeatedly
I don't want or need to get into a WAR. How many of these offline POS are held buy a corps owned by a larger faction or corp.
DON'T CARE JUST BLOW **** UP!
Guess what I don't have the time/skills or isk to go around getting into wars that I am going to lose.
I may not need to keep a POS there long before I move on to a new system so there no point in spending millions of isk to get a spot I may only need for a few months I never get my investment back. I just want to use a POS in a place were no one else is using one. If they online there POS they can keep them but not just block everyone else with a inactive tower. dont want to war dec the pos holders yourself, dont want to pay mercs to do so for you , wouldent be able to defend it even if you got it.
riiiiiiight, no moons for you then.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3699
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Posted - 2015.08.06 09:31:42 -
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Nortion Adoulin wrote:Most of these spots are held buy corporation's that are holding multiple POS's in popular systems. For a small corps with little money just trying to get off the ground getting into a war is not a good idea as these guys will probably change there ownership to a second corp or remove one POS to allow you to garb a spot then come back and kill you POS and take that spot back. I know how eve works " F**K with my business and your going to get smashed."
Hire Mercenaries. That's you answer to everything! To small to defend yourself against larger corps Hire Mercenaries Need a POS spot Hire Mercenaries Some little **** is trying to take one of you many offline POS Hire Mercenaries and kill him repeatedly
I don't want or need to get into a WAR. How many of these offline POS are held buy a corps owned by a larger faction or corp.
DON'T CARE JUST BLOW **** UP!
Guess what I don't have the time/skills or isk to go around getting into wars that I am going to lose.
I may not need to keep a POS there long before I move on to a new system so there no point in spending millions of isk to get a spot I may only need for a few months I never get my investment back. I just want to use a POS in a place were no one else is using one. If they online there POS they can keep them but not just block everyone else with a inactive tower.
No, you cannot have a free ride. This is a cold, harsh game, don't expect NPCs, CCP or anyone else to do your dirty work for you, unless you're willing to pay them.
If you want a POS gone, take some kind of direct action. Don't just scream really loud on the forums and expect the entire game to change to suit your personal whims. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
595
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Posted - 2015.08.06 11:08:59 -
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Based on some of the quoted statements it seems the mercs in highsec are doing a fine job in making a case for lowsec.
OP try lowsec, when you get your stuff dropped by dreads and supers you'll have something to legitimately complain about.
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Ludi Burek
Combined Imperial Fleet Darwinism.
305
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Posted - 2015.08.06 11:09:19 -
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Man, it's not as dangerous as you seem to think. Most offline towers are just offline because people either don't play any more or don't give a ****. Just do a tiny bit of research to see recent kb activity. If 2013, well pretty safe bet you can war dec and afk shoot that tower. Or just take one of the free moons around lool.
Years ago I spent a few weeks declaring war on any corp that appeared inactive and had an offline pos that had something worthwhile unanchoring or blowing up like corp hangars etc... The worst that happened, one tower got onlined when the war dec was made, meaning I wasted my isk for that one
If you are hell bent on some particular moon for God knows what reason and it happens to be occupied by someone that's active, well then you, in your situation as you describe it, can forget about it. |
Draahk Chimera
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
82
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Posted - 2015.08.06 11:42:53 -
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I'm not going to be an arse like some others here. However you seem to have missed a quite large upcoming development called "citadels". Those will replace both pos and outpost, can be dropped anywhere in system (no more moonlocking) and is coming "before the end of this year" (ergo in 3 months maximum).
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Nortion Adoulin
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Posted - 2015.08.06 21:10:05 -
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Thank you for that reply Draahk but looking at the lack of focus on the forums I doubt that the new citadels' are going to appear any time soon. Were probably looking at a year or more before they be replacing the POS.
As or asking for a free ride I am not asking for one. Buy the time any change is implemented my need for POS spots would be long over. What I am asking for is a system that removes an abandoned POS. Or a way to force those who squat on spots to be made to pay for there POS rather than just keeping it out of use altogether for free. Flagging them as free to destroy or if there owner has not logged in within the grace period having them removed and impounded is a better ideas. I don't want players who are out of the game to be penalised and lose assets over minor oversights.
One of the major problems with EvE is the attitude off " I am having that not because I need or can use it , I just don't want anyone else to have it"
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3700
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Posted - 2015.08.06 22:31:29 -
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So you're not asking for a free ride, you're just asking for a free ride?
If you want something done about a POS, do it yourself. Why should the game do it for you if you're too lazy, cheap, or afraid to do it yourself? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
8473
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Posted - 2015.08.07 00:25:06 -
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Quote:One of the major problems with EvE is the attitude off " I am having that not because I need or can use it , I just don't want anyone else to have it" Competitive Gaming 101; you don't stop taking or monopolizing resources just because you "have enough" or "you can't use it." You take (or deny others) as much as you can, as often as you can, for as long as you can. Otherwise, those people will compete against you and potentially become a threat. Or supply someone who is a threat.
And yes... everything in this game is designed to put you in competition with others. Even industry. ESPECIALLY industry (guess who actually "wins" whenever CODE ganks a miner or freighter? The people building the barges, freighters, and Catalysts. It is no wonder the biggest "doners" to CODE's cause are some of the biggest industrialists in the game!).
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
724
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Posted - 2015.08.07 00:30:10 -
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afkalt wrote:I'd be sympathetic to a request to not be required to grind the shield HP when the thing is offline, mind you.
this a fair meeting in the middle idea.
Helps all really. Even 0.0. As cleaning up the crap people left behind when you made them evac gets old fast. First you wait for the fuel to run out and even then....its still a chore to bring them down. Its been abandoned....lets speed up the process really.
Losing side might say we like it but lets be honest here. I was in one home that had people reclaim space many YEARS after they lost it. Its not like if evac'd (usually higher chance of failscade to follow regardless) you are getting a second wind to be back there in 2 weeks. Let the pos's go if you got your ass kicked basically. Or tear them down and move them in the evac if wanted that bad. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.08.07 02:13:15 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:afkalt wrote:I'd be sympathetic to a request to not be required to grind the shield HP when the thing is offline, mind you. this a fair meeting in the middle idea. i have always found this attitude to be well odd maybe the best way to put it here without getting censored. While I have some sympathy for the hassles of taking down POS in high sec (been there and done that) in low and nul this idea becomes outright hysterical. Given the speed with which the low sec corp my son is in can take down an ACTIVE large POS I see no reason for your complaints about doing so in nul. Besides the same applies to you, no easy button on getting them out of the way, not even removal of the shields for one that is offline.
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