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Loneball
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.08.09 00:41:41 -
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Another instance where Tippia's feeble argument is ripped to shreds and he closes his eyes and covers his ears and just yells "NOOOOO" trying to prove himself right.
Kid collapses every time, which happens all the time, he's proven wrong and made to look below average. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25553
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Posted - 2015.08.09 00:42:54 -
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Arthur Direction wrote:There is rarely the 35K you state is the norm playing this game these past few months. Maybe one day a week and for what? like 30 minutes? I don't state that it is the norm, and we are talking about PCUs since that's what the original claim was all about.
Quote:Not saying McAltty isn't a troll, but at least he is a troll where the numbers are playing to his advantage. Since the numbers don't agree with what he's saying, much less with the hallucinatory position he tried to defend, there's literally nothing that is playing to his advantage. He's just trying to come back from his previous misreading and ignorance of server data by wilfully misreading what I'm actually saying and trying to create some rather silly strawman argument out of it.
Quote:Tippia you appear to be a salmon swimming up stream, what is it you are trying to prove here? You want people to believe that during Euro high times there is 35K players online? Because I never see it, and the numbers say otherwise too. This, essentially.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25553
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Posted - 2015.08.09 00:45:04 -
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Loneball wrote:Another instance where Tippia's feeble argument-áindisputable facts-áis ripped to shreds-árip a strawman to shreds and he-áthe poor creator of said strawman closes his eyes and covers his ears and just yells "NOOOOO" trying to prove himself right.
Kid collapses every time, which happens all the time, he's proven wrong and made to look below average. You had a few spelling errors there. I fixed them right up for you.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Arthur Direction
I Accidentally Basilisks
3
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Posted - 2015.08.09 00:47:55 -
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Tippia wrote:Arthur Direction wrote:There is rarely the 35K you state is the norm playing this game these past few months. Maybe one day a week and for what? like 30 minutes? I don't state that it is the norm, and we are talking about PCUs since that's what the original claim was all about. Quote:Not saying McAltty isn't a troll, but at least he is a troll where the numbers are playing to his advantage. Since the numbers don't agree with what he's saying, much less with the hallucinatory position he tried to defend, there's literally nothing that is playing to his advantage. He's just trying to come back from his previous misreading and ignorance of server data by wilfully misreading what I'm actually saying and trying to create some rather silly strawman argument out of it. Quote:Tippia you appear to be a salmon swimming up stream, what is it you are trying to prove here? You want people to believe that during Euro high times there is 35K players online? Because I never see it, and the numbers say otherwise too. This, essentially.
I can't believe I am getting sucked into this by you, but here we go.
You said that the PCU hovers around 30-35K players.
The PCU actually never passes 30K players on any day of the week these past few months except on Saturdays and Sundays. Therefore your statement is false.
Alty Trolling Alt there called you out. He is right. I hate to say it, but you are a fool for defending such an obviously wrong position.
The right thing you did say was we haven't seen <20K PCU since 2006. But the Troll wasn't commenting on that.
Just admit you exaggerated, and maybe troll boy will go away. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
373
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Posted - 2015.08.09 00:49:52 -
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Tippia wrote:Loneball wrote:Another instance where Tippia's feeble argument-áindisputable facts-áis ripped to shreds-árip a strawman to shreds and he-áthe poor creator of said strawman closes his eyes and covers his ears and just yells "NOOOOO" trying to prove himself right.
Kid collapses every time, which happens all the time, he's proven wrong and made to look below average. You had a few spelling errors there. I fixed them right up for you.
And that is what your world looks like heads down in the sandbox huh...
Well, no point arguing with someone so pathological.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Loneball
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2015.08.09 00:49:53 -
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Tippia wrote:Loneball wrote:Another instance where Tippia's feeble argument-áindisputable facts-áis ripped to shreds-árip a strawman to shreds and he-áthe poor creator of said strawman closes his eyes and covers his ears and just yells "NOOOOO" trying to prove himself right.
Kid collapses every time, which happens all the time, he's proven wrong and made to look below average. You had a few spelling errors there. I fixed them right up for you.
lol
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
373
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Posted - 2015.08.09 00:52:10 -
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Loneball wrote:Tippia wrote:Loneball wrote:Another instance where Tippia's feeble argument-áindisputable facts-áis ripped to shreds-árip a strawman to shreds and he-áthe poor creator of said strawman closes his eyes and covers his ears and just yells "NOOOOO" trying to prove himself right.
Kid collapses every time, which happens all the time, he's proven wrong and made to look below average. You had a few spelling errors there. I fixed them right up for you. lol almost
I don't even think he knows the definition of a Strawman... because what I called BS on was his premise.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25554
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Posted - 2015.08.09 00:56:38 -
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Arthur Direction wrote:You said that the PCU hovers around 30-35K players. Yes. We see this, both in the PCU graph and in the numbers, where some are above 35k and some are below 30k, but as a whole, they hover around that very broad band. It's not low enough that we can really invoke 25k; it's not high enough that we can really invoke 40k. So it's around 30GÇô35k.
Quote:Alty Trolling Alt there called you out. He is right. No. He's just pissed off that I ruined his hypothesis of historical data with actual data, and tried to misconstrue GÇ£hover aroundGÇ¥ as meaning GÇ£exactly withinGÇ¥, and GÇ£a couple of monthsGÇ¥ to mean GÇ£the last weekGÇ¥ GÇö all to win back some feeble point of lost pride in defence of an absolute fabrication
Market McSelling Alt wrote:I don't even think he knows the definition of a Strawman... because what I called BS on was his premise. No. What you did was construct a strawman that you could call BS on rather than what I was actually saying GÇö and for added effect, you altered the straw man each time it proved to not work.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14010
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Posted - 2015.08.09 01:10:42 -
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Tippia wrote:Loneball wrote:Another instance where Tippia's feeble argument-áindisputable facts-áis ripped to shreds-árip a strawman to shreds and he-áthe poor creator of said strawman closes his eyes and covers his ears and just yells "NOOOOO" trying to prove himself right.
Kid collapses every time, which happens all the time, he's proven wrong and made to look below average. You had a few spelling errors there. I fixed them right up for you.
It's a run on sentence too, in my opinion. If they use "and" twice, it typically is.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Arthur Direction
I Accidentally Basilisks
3
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Posted - 2015.08.09 01:15:46 -
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Tippia wrote:Arthur Direction wrote:You said that the PCU hovers around 30-35K players. Yes. We see this, both in the PCU graph and in the numbers, where some are above 35k and some are below 30k, but as a whole, they hover around that very broad band. It's not low enough that we can really invoke 25k; it's not high enough that we can really invoke 40k. So it's around 30GÇô35k. Quote:Alty Trolling Alt there called you out. He is right. No. He's just pissed off that I ruined his hypothesis of historical data with actual data, and tried to misconstrue GÇ£hover aroundGÇ¥ as meaning GÇ£exactly withinGÇ¥, and GÇ£a couple of monthsGÇ¥ to mean GÇ£the last weekGÇ¥ GÇö all to win back some feeble point of lost pride in defence of an absolute fabrication Market McSelling Alt wrote:I don't even think he knows the definition of a Strawman... because what I called BS on was his premise. No. What you did was construct a strawman that you could call BS on rather than what I was actually saying GÇö and for added effect, you altered the straw man each time it proved to not work.
I actually went back through your numbers. I averaged them all together. 30,684 is the average PCU since June 1st.
I don't think its exactly accurate to claim 30-35K... more like just 30K
Now I just think both of you are trolls. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25558
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Posted - 2015.08.09 01:29:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It's a run on sentence too, in my opinion. If they use "and" twice, it typically is. I'm really not in a position to come down on people for using run-on sentencesGǪ
Arthur Direction wrote:I actually went back through your numbers. I averaged them all together. 30,684 is the average PCU since June 1st. We're very specifically not talking about averages, though. That's kind of the whole point.
Yes, it's an imprecise band but that's intentional GÇö PCUs vary wildly, but with a fair amount of regularity, between different days so which day you choose as your personal anecdotal point of comparison will have a huge impact. Had I wanted to be precise, I would have said 27,689GÇô37,354 (no, I'm not going to include the broken-server anomaly as a relevant data point). Had I wanted to fudge the numbers, I would have picked an ever so slightly longer period and said 30kGÇô40k. Had I wanted to skew the trend, I would have picked July as my starting point and said the numbers were trending upwards.
Instead, I wanted to compare the random number 20k with the actual band over the last couple of months, which means it hovers around 30GÇô35k. It looks like we're starting to level out after the pre-sov wait and the initial post-sov burst of activity but it's a bit early to tell. It could also just be the same July-August hump we saw last summer.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8963
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Posted - 2015.08.09 01:37:29 -
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Great. Another Tippi' "Lets argue minutia and ignore the big picture" thread derailment.
It's like arguing over whether someone has 4 or 5 drops of water when everyone else is sitting in a pool. The fact is, whether 30 or 35k, EVE is one of the lowest PCU MMOs around.
Keep arguing over a few thousand if you like, but what this game needs is another hundred thousand more PCU at least to make it feel like a real world.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2254
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Posted - 2015.08.09 01:48:08 -
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I'm bored as ****, new **** for us old folk....
Walkers, health benefits, easier access to booze and strippers, stronger anti-psychotic meds...
****...anything, I love this game, but god forbid I go online and not become bored to tears after I've done EVERYTHING!
Contract me your dead!
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
373
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Posted - 2015.08.09 01:48:48 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Great. Another Tippi' "Lets argue minutia and ignore the big picture" thread derailment. It's like arguing over whether someone has 4 or 5 drops of water when everyone else is sitting in a pool. The fact is, whether 30 or 35k, EVE is one of the lowest PCU MMOs around. Keep arguing over a few thousand if you like, but what this game needs is another hundred thousand more PCU at least to make it feel like a real world. Mr Epeen
Good lord I was only asking for us to return to the 50k PCU's we got a couple years ago... but damn I will take 100K too!!!
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Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Imperium Mordor
166
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Posted - 2015.08.09 05:00:58 -
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Its a hobby not a game, a change of point of view does help.
Empire, the next new world order.
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Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise
98
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Posted - 2015.08.09 07:12:16 -
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http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
(I maybe have been wrong about Peek EU times... I generally have to log off at around 1800-1900 EVE. so maybe it gets higher numbers after that, but for me. the launcher hasn't shown anything grander than like 25k...
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise
98
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Posted - 2015.08.09 07:15:45 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Great. Another Tippi' "Lets argue minutia and ignore the big picture" thread derailment. It's like arguing over whether someone has 4 or 5 drops of water when everyone else is sitting in a pool. The fact is, whether 30 or 35k, EVE is one of the lowest PCU MMOs around. Keep arguing over a few thousand if you like, but what this game needs is another hundred thousand more PCU at least to make it feel like a real world. Mr Epeen Good lord I was only asking for us to return to the 50k PCU's we got a couple years ago... but damn I will take 100K too!!!
I would relish in 50-100k members online... EVE would be full of people to talk to and people to shoot.
Don't know which I prefer more. the shooting them or the talking to them.
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Aeon Amadii
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2015.08.09 13:44:58 -
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Nine year Eve Player here.
Mostly I dropped off playing because I don't have as much time as I used to. Full time work, full time student - so my time is extremely limited and over the past three years I've found that my time playing Dust 514 has been much more enjoyable because... well, I can actually play it. To elaborate on that, if I have thirty minutes of free time I can either play one/two full matches on Dust 514 or I can run around all over Placid trying to put a fit together.
It's mostly the fact that I'm forced into being a casual player because of the amount of time that I have. I can't spend an entire afternoon farming ISK, so I usually have to throw a PLEX at the problem but even then I have only enough time to make a cheap frigate fit and run it out in Low sec for a little while.
To sum it up, despite having something like 80m SP (I think? Can't remember) I just don't have the time to dedicate to Eve because there's nothing I can really do as a player with limited time to play =P Which is why I like Dust 514 and am excited for Valkyrie.
(This character is the Eve version of Aeon Amadi)
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
6227
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Posted - 2015.08.09 13:54:03 -
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Removed some off topic posts.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Max Fubarticus
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.08.09 14:57:40 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Vets what would help other vets retetnion rates? Bitter vets what would help other bitter vets's retention rates?
We ALL KNOW vets are the lifeblood of this 12year old video game. We keep it alive. How can we keep our subs alive?
Have played for some time. Still don't understand what there is to be bitter about. Change? I just adapt. That is why we have fossils, failure to adapt to a rapidly changing environment. Besides, I am risk averse. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6760
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Posted - 2015.08.09 22:23:24 -
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Make sure the reason for their bitterness means they have to log in.
eg: construct an amazing narrative after being kicked out of a blue blob and then constantly make new stories about why you will defeat them.
All bitter vets about to leave should join moa.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Samir Duran Xadi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2015.08.09 22:41:27 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Great. Another Tippi' "Lets argue minutia and ignore the big picture" thread derailment. It's like arguing over whether someone has 4 or 5 drops of water when everyone else is sitting in a pool. The fact is, whether 30 or 35k, EVE is one of the lowest PCU MMOs around. Keep arguing over a few thousand if you like, but what this game needs is another hundred thousand more PCU at least to make it feel like a real world. Mr Epeen
Eve with 100k+ PCU would be unbearable in its current size. Nobody cares about other mmos that got their population spread in numerous servers. Eve is unique that way, if we go back to 2013 numbers it would be more than enough. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6923
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Posted - 2015.08.10 04:26:06 -
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Aeon Amadii wrote:Nine year Eve Player here.
Mostly I dropped off playing because I don't have as much time as I used to. Full time work, full time student - so my time is extremely limited and over the past three years I've found that my time playing Dust 514 has been much more enjoyable because... well, I can actually play it. To elaborate on that, if I have thirty minutes of free time I can either play one/two full matches on Dust 514 or I can run around all over Placid trying to put a fit together.
It's mostly the fact that I'm forced into being a casual player because of the amount of time that I have. I can't spend an entire afternoon farming ISK, so I usually have to throw a PLEX at the problem but even then I have only enough time to make a cheap frigate fit and run it out in Low sec for a little while.
To sum it up, despite having something like 80m SP (I think? Can't remember) I just don't have the time to dedicate to Eve because there's nothing I can really do as a player with limited time to play =P Which is why I like Dust 514 and am excited for Valkyrie.
Yeah this is a more common problem with an aging player base. I got so many hats on right now it's making be shorter.
I have no idea how that can be fixed in Eve Online. It's simply not made for casual play. I had to leave in fall of 2006 because of night school. Now I have to make a choice to play or not get enough sleep, or play for less than an hour. Last year I played World of Tanks most of the fall simply because I could get in, tank and spank, get out. Still had a good time in spite of not having "gold ammo".
The ultimate dilemma is how does a game that is not for casual players handle an aging player base whose obligations are not conducive to playing games? How does such a game survive? Newbros? Most of them don't stay, even the ones who get ganked (as claimed by those who are ganking them). Keep adding content? More content of which there is little time to explore does not mean much. We got freaking sleepers in highsec. That would have been earth shattering nerdgasm stuff in 2012 now it's "meh". New ships? Well Tiericide (I don't disagree with it entirely but still) makes them different only on appearance and racial bonus lines. They look great when spinning them in the hangar at least.
I just don't have answers. I could come up with some but these damn kids won't get off my lawn and I'm running out of brooms to swing at them.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
153
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Posted - 2015.08.10 04:39:55 -
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DaReaper wrote:I will bite.
I'm an 11.5 year vet.
There was a htread floating around, about giving people who have been here for 10 years a gift, and possibly another at 15 and 20. I think this would be a good start for some, and here is why...
In the real world, shortly after i got married and quit my crappy mobile tech job, i was unemployeed for a bit. I eventually got hired on at Geek Squad for best buy. Typical retail issues, and me being blunt irl makes me not have very good customer service skills. Anyway, the job was meh, the people i worked with were awesome. About three years into it, i was getting bored. And was thinking of changing jobs (in hind sight i should of) then one of our morning meetings, it was announced that not only would 5 year best buy employees get the best buy watch, but geek squad people of five years would get a leather jacket.
At the time, i was kind super into leather jackets, and i said.. well two years huh... ya i could do that.
Two years later, i had my son, my watch, and my jacket. A year later i got canned. (long story)
The point is, an incentive for staying, made me decide that i could hang on a bit, because, well, what the heck. I knew a couple other people who had the same idea.
So, a way that might keep some people thinking 'gods, i've been here 8 years.. wtf am i doing?!?1" migh be to give a 'if you hit 10 years you get this random but cool thing! incentive. The vet station was an interesting idea, but something more useful, like a special skin, a sword for the captains quarters, an outfit or maybe a specla ship might make a few people who might want to bounce go.. well i can wait a bit...
I still have the jacket and watch so meh.
I have been a vet for nearly 9 years but had nearly two months off.
I have seen EvE changed over the years and even if CCP changes things in the game I still play this game as intended.
And I do agree with the above quote.
**You Have to take the good with the bad
and the bad with the good.
Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12313
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Posted - 2015.08.10 04:48:24 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
There was no break of 30k this week. The last 30+k day was Sunday, a weekend. And on that last weekend it hit 32k for a few minutes.
The averages are 20k for the last few weeks... Keep looking at averages, zoom out to 3 months, 6 months, a year... all time...
If you think it is ok and healthy for this game to be down 50% from our glory days, then I can't help you.
Data points were over 30k on the days I mentioned, which was over the past week from the time you posted your comment regarding in the past week. Now we are excluding certain days?!? And now with only certain conditions??? F'ing moving bar?? wtf, dude??
And I already explained the difference between numbers from two years ago to the lesser online numbers of today, and that's solid reasoning. You're are asking me to explain it again? Why the hell should I repeat myself to you when you didn't bother to read in the first place? At least I take the time to listen to what people have to say (or to read their bs), then to reason it out and provide a thoughtful reply, but I'm sure there will always be those that struggle with reading, comprehension, reasoning skills, and then even their general laziness.
I'm in it for the money
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Loneball
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2015.08.10 04:51:28 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I just don't have answers. I could come up with some but these damn kids won't get off my lawn and I'm running out of brooms to swing at them.
Being older subjective to divided attention, having dedicated more time to hardcore pvp FULL loot MMOs than most of the EvE player base's time spent sleeping, I believe I've come up with an idea that could help keep the best of us hooked in to gaming-verses.
More idle/semi-passive income generation.
Nothing spectacular. Not any sort of isk generator that'll eclipse active game play (lol f1 spam if you call that active), but something to entice a player to at least be logged in. That coupled with an easy way to connect to "instances". I don't mean instances as in a separate location unreachable by others, but instance as in "something happening" like a tackle or miner defense.
As long as the person is logged in, he's a helluva lot more available to possibly contribute to the content generation of player interaction. And us old, better than the stupid kids, gamers who actually are productive with our lives unlike the ungrateful sponges that comprise 90% of all game's player bases have to get up and do things some times. . . . . Like provide for those sponges.
It sucks because this system already kind of exists with mining. Mining is a great way to passively generate income. Hop into a venture, warp to a random asteroid belt and laser it while you step outside and smoke for 10 minutes. You come back and made 800k or you lost a 500k set up, O WELL no biggy.
Also, heavily enforce the ToS so we don't have to put up with harassment from the young kids who think they know things but actually don't.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2015.08.10 04:53:12 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:A hat, don't forget a hat to complete the ensemble. And a Monocle for the ultimate in bittervet bling?
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Oxide Ammar
209
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Posted - 2015.08.10 05:39:50 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:It isn't Vet retention needs that EVE needs, it is new player retention.
Just look for the probability, Vets already spent much ingame they know games mechanics, they have preferences in what mostly they enjoy in the game and they already adapted the difficulty of the game.
On the other hand, new players... aren't fully aware with game mechanics, most likely they just joined because they saw couple of trailers and heard about some gigantic battles that will never occur thx to Fozziesov. They get stumbled upon skills barriers, harshness of the game and most likely PLEX prices who can't fulfill its purchase commitment.
I'm not saying new players is bad thing, some of them stay and enjoy the game others don't, but look for the probabilities which one easier to target and keep their retention?
Vet who has couple of issues here and there and can be solved on short term plan by CCP or New player that you have rework the whole ******* system just push him on the track and you still have 50-50% chance to keep him interested ?
Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
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Swanky nutjob
Holding Inc.
23
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Posted - 2015.08.10 06:30:09 -
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Oxide Ammar wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote:It isn't Vet retention needs that EVE needs, it is new player retention. Just look for the probability, Vets already spent much ingame they know games mechanics, they have preferences in what mostly they enjoy in the game and they already adapted the difficulty of the game. On the other hand, new players... aren't fully aware with game mechanics, most likely they just joined because they saw couple of trailers and heard about some gigantic battles that will never occur thx to Fozziesov. They get stumbled upon skills barriers, harshness of the game and most likely PLEX prices who can't fulfill its purchase commitment. I'm not saying new players is bad thing, some of them stay and enjoy the game others don't, but look for the probabilities which one easier to target and keep their retention? Vet who has couple of issues here and there and can be solved on short term plan by CCP or New player that you have rework the whole ******* system just push him on the track and you still have 50-50% chance to keep him interested ?
Bitter vets are also leaving. The uncertainty over capitals, the balance mistakes with larger fleets and general apathy are all contributing factors. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12314
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Posted - 2015.08.10 07:32:14 -
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Oxide Ammar wrote:Vet who has couple of issues here and there and can be solved on short term plan by CCP or New player that you have rework the whole ******* system just push him on the track and you still have 50-50% chance to keep him interested ? Traditionally the % is much lower than that. But as they say, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. i.e. yes vet retention is most important, and historically in mmo's.
I'm in it for the money
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