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Nuala Reece
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.07 11:22:00 -
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Well, Revelations is here and Eve just got that little bit more cut-throat Pirates have even more toys with which to unjustly deprive you of your hard earned isk, and the peaceable folk have other things to be training and buying than shiny new warships.
Starlancers are people you can trust if you want fighters with a sense of honour. We will fight on your behalf because we believe in it. We're not the run of the mill types whose main PvP experience comes from attacking mining corps in between infrequent contracts (attacking other mining corps) - we come from a background of actively defending people against real attackers and we can use that experience to defend you against your would-be aggressors.
We don't take contracts from pirates. We don't pirate ourselves. We fight on the side of those who need help against the naughty people who prey on the weak, the inexperienced and the non-violent. Our rates are negotiable and fair, client confidentiality is absolutely assured; we're in in for the fun but we take contracts seriously becuase it's your assets on the line as well as ours.
Drop by our public channel 'Bar - Lancers' or send a mail to one of our people if you'd like to find out more.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.12.07 11:40:00 -
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good mercs go where the money goes, they have no morals (except for keeping the client hidden), no hesitation.
Great being a gallente blasterthron pilot, aint it?
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Nuala Reece
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.07 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol good mercs go where the money goes, they have no morals (except for keeping the client hidden), no hesitation.
We do things differently. We have a code and we stick to it - keeps us from becoming pirates masquerading as mercenaries
Starlancers
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Nuandha
Federal Institute of Technology Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.07 13:23:00 -
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Bump - they are a great bunch of peoples
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Argors
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.07 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol good mercs go where the money goes, they have no morals (except for keeping the client hidden), no hesitation.
Good Mercs and no morals in the same line hmmmmm you sound like the typcal pirate by your simple post, i ask you why do Mercs have to be low lifes the anwser is just as simple becuase your a pirate that calls themself a merc thats fine you can do that Merc means fighter for money does it not, So tell me why can pirates be Mercs and players that don't pirate but do fight for money not be call mercs
Seams to me like you have tunnle vison or if you fight for money your a merc duh
it seams its pass time for someone to bring back a good name to Mercs
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.12.08 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Argors Edited by: Argors on 07/12/2006 14:05:59
Originally by: Samirol good mercs go where the money goes, they have no morals (except for keeping the client hidden), no hesitation.
Good Mercs and no morals in the same line hmmmmm you sound like the typcal pirate by your simple post, i ask you why do Mercs have to be low lifes the anwser is just as simple becuase your a pirate that calls themself a merc, thats fine you can do that Merc means fighter for money does it not, So tell me why can pirates be Mercs and players that don't pirate but do fight for money not be call mercs
Seams to me like you have tunnle vison or if you fight for money your a merc duh
it seams its pass time for someone to bring back a good name to Mercs
you dont have to pirate, but a merc should take the contract from the highest bidder IMO, whether the person that wants to hire them out is a pirate or not shouldn't matter.
Please, rereading your posts makes them much easier to understand
Great being a gallente blasterthron pilot, aint it?
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.08 11:35:00 -
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Imho it is bad mercs that always take he highest bidder regardless of the circumstances, because they either desperately need the money, or are just pirates/thugs masquerading as mercs. Good mercs otoh can afford to have some ethos and style, and only take contracts matching those. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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David H'Levi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.08 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar Imho it is bad mercs that always take he highest bidder regardless of the circumstances, because they either desperately need the money, or are just pirates/thugs masquerading as mercs. Good mercs otoh can afford to have some ethos and style, and only take contracts matching those.
Then they're not mercenaries. They're people getting paid to do what they would probably do anyway. There's a reason why the word "mercenary" has such negative connotations. It's because, throughout history, they are basically just thugs and hired guns.
American Heritage Dictionary:
n. pl. mer+ce+nar+ies
1. One who serves or works merely for monetary gain; a hireling. 2. A professional soldier hired for service in a foreign army.
Turn it round and see [Epictetus, you're my homeboy]. If I said "I'll blow people up for you for ISK, but only people who I would pirate anyway," that makes me a privateer.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.08 12:48:00 -
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Well I admit I might be biased due to the glorification of certain mercs in the Battletech universe, but to me Mercs don't really carry that negative connotation. There are good ones and bad ones (see above) just like with almost everything else. --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Argors
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.08 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Argors on 08/12/2006 13:42:57 Edited by: Argors on 08/12/2006 13:25:15 Sorry about that last post being hard to read i could have worded my ponit better and used better sentences.
You are missing the simple point that you can not paint all Mercs with the same brush.
I didn't want to bring RL in to the game but someone esle has, so do you realy belive all ex-sloiders that turn to Merc work well just take any job if you throw enough money at them, i think you watch to many movies, Not all Mercs are out for the isk only.
Even when you get payed you need to be able to sleep at night and look yourself in the mirrior.
IMO if you well take any job if the money is good enough no matter what the job is ya your a Merc but no your not a good Merc , your not the best Merc , your not the only Merc. Your just a low life Merc .
this is My opinnon , nothing is as black and white as people would like to think.
Can i ask what is it about Podders calling themself Good Mercs , Mercs with morals , that gets under your skin
Do you not like the idea that we could be payed to come looking for you is that it
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Essque
Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.08 14:45:00 -
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It's quite simple really. We don't just take any contract, as Nuala said in the OP - not unlike other merc corps in the Eve universe.
Nevertheless, we call ourselves mercenaries, because will fight on your behalf for money. I know no other word to describe better what we do. Other than that, this thread is not about semantics. If you wonder what this thread is all about, all you have to do is to (re)read the OP and it will become clear, I bet.
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Nuandha
Federal Institute of Technology Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: David H'Levi Then they're not mercenaries. They're people getting paid to do what they would probably do anyway. There's a reason why the word "mercenary" has such negative connotations. It's because, throughout history, they are basically just thugs and hired guns.
Looking at RL, as somebody brought it in: Switzerland banned its nationals from serving as mercenaries in 1927 with the one exception being the Vatican Swiss Guards. And although I am not catholic, I do not consider those mercenaries to have negative connotations.
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Mattsumoto
Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.08 18:01:00 -
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Heineken Shmeineken!
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.12.08 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Argors Edited by: Argors on 08/12/2006 13:42:57 Edited by: Argors on 08/12/2006 13:25:15 Sorry about that last post being hard to read i could have worded my ponit better and used better sentences.
You are missing the simple point that you can not paint all Mercs with the same brush.
I didn't want to bring RL in to the game but someone esle has, so do you realy belive all ex-sloiders that turn to Merc work well just take any job if you throw enough money at them, i think you watch to many movies, Not all Mercs are out for the isk only.
Even when you get payed you need to be able to sleep at night and look yourself in the mirrior.
IMO if you well take any job if the money is good enough no matter what the job is ya your a Merc but no your not a good Merc , your not the best Merc , your not the only Merc. Your just a low life Merc .
this is My opinnon , nothing is as black and white as people would like to think.
Can i ask what is it about Podders calling themself Good Mercs , Mercs with morals , that gets under your skin
Do you not like the idea that we could be payed to come looking for you is that it
i look at MC, i consider them good mercs.
They take contracts from pirates, carebears, anyone as long as you do it with your main.
Thats what i see from mercs, people that take it from the highest bidder, providing the contract is something fun.
I can understand where you can prefer to fight pirates rather than mining corps, but to say straight out that you won't accept contracts from pirates makes you seem more like hireable mining op guards rather than mercenaries.
I dont have a problem with a contract against me, as long as it isnt constant station camping and blobbing (which sucks).
Great being a gallente blasterthron pilot, aint it?
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cheru
Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.09 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Samirol ... but to say straight out that you won't accept contracts from pirates makes you seem more like hireable mining op guards rather than mercenaries. ...
Pirates are the source of all evil and are ruining Eve!! ;p Therefore they can't have _all_ the cool mercs hired like good people can - deal with it! :D
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Nuala Reece
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Nuala Reece on 09/12/2006 17:08:50 Heh There's a certain irony in arguing over the nomencalture of the word mercenary when the profession has so many pseudonyms itself in order to conceal or legitimize. Maybe we're military advisors, battlefield consultants, independent contractors, deniable assets, in the import/export business etc, etc. Regardless of the word, what we do amounts to the same thing - we're soldiers fighting on behalf of other people, hirelings.
It may well be the case that most mercenaries take jobs from the highest bidder regardless of the employer and/or personal politics. But that's not to say it's the case for all mercenaries; it's not the case for us.
We describe ourselves as mercenaries because we fight for other corporations (with whom we have no other loyalty or affiliation beyond the terms of the contract) for pay. But I'm sure every merc corp accepts or rejects contracts on more than just the criteria of the payment, whether it's location, availability of pilots, size and disposition of the opponent, etc. It just happens that we also include criteria based on our politcs in Eve, where most other mercs may not. That may reduce our earning potential, but it's a trade off we're prepared to make in return for maintaining a code which potential employers can rely on.
Our target client base is people being attacked by pirates - we can offer them a professional service from pilots guaranteed not to be turning on them next week when we're lacking a contract, not shooting at them as they try to get through an 0.4 gate, not hunting them down as they try to mine or finish a mission just becasue we want some action and aren't choosy about how we get it. We are choosy about how we get it - we choose to get our action by hiring out as mercenaries without pirating or fighting on behalf of pirates.
Maybe I can illustrate my point some by this clip discussing the role of personal politics in an independent contractor's choice of job Linkage
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Coupe Soleil
Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:38:00 -
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In the Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions (GC) of 12 August 1949 and the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977 it is stated:
Art 47. Mercenaries
1. A mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant or a prisoner of war. 2. A mercenary is any person who: (a) is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict; (b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities; (c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party; (d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict; (e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and (f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.
According this quite thorough description there is room for selection of clients to fight for. It doesn't make us less mercenary than somebody who is willing to shoot anybody for isk if that happens to be a personal moral standard.
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Nuala Reece
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.12 17:29:00 -
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Well then, that settles it. We're mercenaries who are careful who we work for - discriminating, rather than indiscriminate, killers.
'A rose by any other name Would never, never smell the same, And cunning is the nose that knows An onion that's been called a rose.'
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Argors
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.19 06:33:00 -
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Marriage is the only war where you sleep with the enemy. - Gary Busey
When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite. - Sir Winston Churchill
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Terraform
Gallente Deviance Inc SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.19 09:20:00 -
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I suggest you call yourselves "a bunch of knights in shiny armor - for money!" that way people won't mistake your code or your intentions... nobody will hire you either, but that's a different story
I like your concept tho.
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Phoenix Mulderdart
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2006.12.20 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Terraform I like your concept tho.
So do other people, thats why they hire us
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.20 18:47:00 -
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I've studied the mercenary phenomenon quite intensively while at the Royal Military College, and while it is quite a complicated subject, it can be boiled down to that if:
1- You fight as a soldier 2- You get paid to do it 3- You're not part of contracting entity
then you are a mercenary. Beyond that, wether you choose to accept or decline certain contracts on a moral basis, doesn't make you any less of a mercenary.
FOR THE EMPEROR!
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Gadfly Hawke
G-Tek Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.20 21:32:00 -
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Once again, RL has become confused with EVE. First off, it seems to me that a merc corp being hired by a pirate corp is fundamentally an oxymoron. A pirate corp won't hire a merc corp -- it will recruit the merc corp's members instead. Second, why does the term "mercenary" have a negative connotation? If I rent out my mining skills or manufacturing skills, or possibly POS building skills, have I done something immoral? Of course not. Neither has the skilled fighter done something immoral by renting out his/her fighter skills. EVE is very simple compared to RL. Trying to include RL nuances in EVE is just a never ending exercise in futility.
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Nuala Reece
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:45:00 -
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Well, I hope the New Year finds everyone well. We're still here, fighting the good fight, so if you or your corp has been attacked, or is facing attack, now the Hogmanay hangovers have clearerd away just get in touch with us and we'll see what we can do for you.
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Argors
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2007.01.15 20:02:00 -
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In The cruel cold space that is Eve Starlancers are striving to be that shining Star in the black that warm place on a cold lonely night.
If the Bad men come looking for you You should come looking for us.
We are not we stick up for the little guy or not so little guy what ever the case may be.
See you in space and if you are in the need of friendly chat and a cold beer stop by the Bar (ingame ch = Bar-Lancers), mite even be some fancy drink stuff behind the bar somewhere, I swear I never touch that stuff
When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite. - Sir Winston Churchill
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Nuala Reece
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2007.01.19 22:29:00 -
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We're pleased to announce the arrival of our brand new, super funky, very cool and shiny corp logo
Linkage
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Der Pfaffe
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.19 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus I've studied the mercenary phenomenon quite intensively while at the Royal Military College, and while it is quite a complicated subject, it can be boiled down to that if:
1- You fight as a soldier 2- You get paid to do it 3- You're not part of contracting entity
then you are a mercenary. Beyond that, wether you choose to accept or decline certain contracts on a moral basis, doesn't make you any less of a mercenary.
That would make most "professional" soldiers (i.e. not drafted or conscripted), mercenaries, unless of course you believe that they join the military for reasons of patriotism and not for the salary and retirement benefits....
Excuse the OT but to return to the topic: Starlancers are a great bunch of guys who do what they say they will.
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Serenity Frye
Defile. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.20 04:03:00 -
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Great bunch of people & pvpers
You cant go wrong with these guy's
Goodluck! 'Tis better to be a Lion for one day then be a sheep for a hundred years' |
Ophidian
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Posted - 2007.01.20 12:27:00 -
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I can supply Nuala Reeces' frozen corpse for a small negotiable fee if anybody is interested, contact me in game for details
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Coupe Soleil
Starlancers
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Posted - 2007.01.20 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ophidian I can supply Nuala Reeces' frozen corpse for a small negotiable fee if anybody is interested, contact me in game for details
You wouldn't want that, it's smelly. Believe me.
But for a fair price we can supply biomass of any type, gender and race. On most you can still make out the 'yarr'-tattoos, which don't help much in combat contrary to popular believe.
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Essque
Starlancers
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Posted - 2007.01.20 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Coupe Soleil
Originally by: Ophidian I can supply Nuala Reeces' frozen corpse for a small negotiable fee if anybody is interested, contact me in game for details
You wouldn't want that, it's smelly. Believe me.
But for a fair price we can supply biomass of any type, gender and race. On most you can still make out the 'yarr'-tattoos, which don't help much in combat contrary to popular believe.
And the winner is...
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Nuala Reece
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2007.01.20 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ophidian I can supply Nuala Reeces' frozen corpse for a small negotiable fee if anybody is interested, contact me in game for details
I thoroughly recommend this corpse - it served me very well and I can safely say it's had one careful owner. Sad to say, however, I can't vouch for how it's fared with its second and most recent owner
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Ophidian
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Posted - 2007.01.20 17:48:00 -
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I am sorry but this corpse has had a ruff time with me but i've treated it no different to the others. It's been emotional
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Nancena'h
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Posted - 2007.01.20 17:59:00 -
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Quote: I can supply Nuala Reeces' frozen corpse for a small negotiable fee if anybody is interested, contact me in game for details
I am a collector of corpses, of all types and having a merc to my collection will help keep my obsession with necrophilia "alive".
I don't care if its smelly, bloated or broken...all corpses gratefully accepted and molested.
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Ophidian
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Posted - 2007.01.20 18:42:00 -
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In fairness these guys are worth hiring, they do undock from time to time and provide good targets for the pirates/rogues they are contracted against. keep up the good work guys, keepin the dream alive
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Argors
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2007.01.20 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nancena'h
Quote: I can supply Nuala Reeces' frozen corpse for a small negotiable fee if anybody is interested, contact me in game for details
I am a collector of corpses, of all types and having a merc to my collection will help keep my obsession with necrophilia "alive".
I don't care if its smelly, bloated or broken...all corpses gratefully accepted and molested.
where is the fun in playing / collecting corpses that you didn't work for ? Thier are thousands of them out there floating, just fly by any battle field. i can see a pirate trying to sell one sure isk,isk,isk and as a noise rub i thought it was funny hehe.
Thanks for the complament Ophidian i think hehe
Like my Dad told me, today is always a good day to die , if done with stlye "For those who understand no explanation is needed, ...For those who don't none will do". - Jerry Lewis
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Nancena'h
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Posted - 2007.01.20 21:32:00 -
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Quote: where is the fun in playing with / collecting corpses that you didn't work for ? Thier are thousands of them out there floating, just fly by any battle field.
I do, quite regularly. I think I may be a little bit unhinged...taking a corpse out of the freezer and having a meddle with it, really makes my day.
But you do have to be careful though as I have snapped no end of limbs, heads and rib cages getting a bit too jolly with them.
After a hard day on the ore field, nothing beat a candlelit dinner..as glass of chiante and scintilating (one way) converstaion with a stiff of your choice....quality.
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Argors
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2007.01.21 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nancena'h
Quote: where is the fun in playing with / collecting corpses that you didn't work for ? Thier are thousands of them out there floating, just fly by any battle field.
I do, quite regularly. I think I may be a little bit unhinged...taking a corpse out of the freezer and having a meddle with it, really makes my day.
But you do have to be careful though as I have snapped no end of limbs, heads and rib cages getting a bit too jolly with them.
After a hard day on the ore field, nothing beat a candlelit dinner..as glass of chiante and scintilating (one way) converstaion with a stiff of your choice....quality.
Arg Passes over some duct tape you don't won't to lose track of any limbs now.No No keep it please "For those who understand no explanation is needed, ...For those who don't none will do". - Jerry Lewis
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr In Articulo Mortis
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Posted - 2007.01.21 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Der Pfaffe That would make most "professional" soldiers (i.e. not drafted or conscripted), mercenaries, unless of course you believe that they join the military for reasons of patriotism and not for the salary and retirement benefits.....
Perhaps my meaning by "contracting entity" wasn't clear. This is simply whomever hires you, so if you are an American, and you enlist in the US Army, you are not a merc since you are a citizen of the contracting entity. If I, as a Canadian, would do the same, without getting american citizenship, then I would be a mercenary. FOR THE EMPEROR!
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Der Pfaffe
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.21 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Originally by: Der Pfaffe That would make most "professional" soldiers (i.e. not drafted or conscripted), mercenaries, unless of course you believe that they join the military for reasons of patriotism and not for the salary and retirement benefits.....
Perhaps my meaning by "contracting entity" wasn't clear. This is simply whomever hires you, so if you are an American, and you enlist in the US Army, you are not a merc since you are a citizen of the contracting entity. If I, as a Canadian, would do the same, without getting american citizenship, then I would be a mercenary.
You are right of course
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Finn Yr
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:16:00 -
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Semantics aside, it¦s nice to have alternatives. Starlancers provide one and I can honestly say it¦s not a bad one Trusting your merc is never easy, but Starlancers have honestly gained what most mercs can never dream of, a spotless reputation. Their word is their bond.
- a bomb has but one purpose....
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Djininia
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:55:00 -
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The concept of "good" anything can pretty much be seen as inherently wrong, because what's good for one person is bad for another. Case in point: paying diamond miners pennies a day for hard labor is "good" for whomever is buying the jewel from the diamond store (costs less for sellers to aquire, therefore it costs less to buy), but at the same time it's terrible for the miners. Naturally the use of "good" here isn't being applied to something so blatantly polarized, but almost any use of the word "good" is junk.
"Good" is one of those annoying words that crop up in the English language to fill many thousands of gaps but unfortunately has millions of connotations... The real argument is monetarily successful mercenaries are those that take jobs from whomever pays them the highest, while morally decent mercenaries only take jobs based on some code of honor (of course, "decent" is another of those craptastic English words with millions of connotations. Ask a woman from a third world country about "decency" [in clothing] then ask a person from Europe. Totally different connotations). I hate English sometimes.
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LLeugh
Starlancers Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:04:00 -
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where the new recruitment post?
If you are not living life on the edge you are taking up too much room
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.09 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: LLeugh where the new recruitment post?
Wha..?
Someone bury this back where it came from ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Originally by: kessah -notice the fact the are all nearly Amarr and Amarr do not suck.
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ISD Santiago Cortes
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2007.12.09 06:33:00 -
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*Locked*
Necro.
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