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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2189
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:05:01 -
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Tosski wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Brutus Utama wrote:The price of plex is becoming too high i have had to unsub my miners as its not worth it i had them to make isk but with the increase of isk price for plex they barely pay for themselves and why would i spend so much time grinding just to have the accounts for show they dont provide me anything anymore just enough isk to buy the plex to keep that account going they make me no profit anymore...
i dont see the point in putting the little time i have into mining to get nothing out of it....except another month of grinding to get the same result.... i believe that is called insanity Have you ever though about paying with real money for your subs and not having to grind a single ISK for your gametime? Most people pay for their subs via plex cause they don't have the real life money to pay for it. If not for plexes they wouldn't be able to play. As the economy keeps getting worse in many parts of the world, I can see the demand for plexes slowly go up. But on the other hand if prices of plex keep going up, will be more and more that will not be able to play cause they can't afford them. Yes its easy to make ISK, but also easier to lose it. To me the answer is a big isk sink item, something like titans, but that most anyone can get, good item and costs billions upon billions of ISK, people need a reason to buy more plex to flood the market to get the prices to drop again.
If you can't spend 15$ a month on your entertainment, you should have more important stuff on your mind than the price of PLEX. |
lilol' me
Retribution Holdings Corp Retribution.
47
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:30:41 -
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I get confused with these posts. what IS the right price for PLEX?
How do you know you wasn't getting it dirt cheap when it was 700mill? Maybe 1 billion is the right price or actually maybe its still too cheap.
How are you deciding what is the right value for a PLEX anyway |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9379
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:35:56 -
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The curve is starting to look somewhat logarithmic. Whatever that means....
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1639
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:45:03 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Zifrian wrote:But this was the same argument when people complained that it was 500mil then 800mil...etc.
Something has changed and it's clearly causing inflation in the price. I've seen similar things posted on EVEO when it was 500mil then 800mil...etc.
"it's a bubble". |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2190
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Posted - 2015.09.09 17:47:35 -
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lilol' me wrote:I get confused with these posts. what IS the right price for PLEX?
How do you know you wasn't getting it dirt cheap when it was 700mill? Maybe 1 billion is the right price or actually maybe its still too cheap.
How are you deciding what is the right value for a PLEX anyway
The very same way everybody evaluate prices of everything. It's always too much unless they are the one selling it. Then it's grossly underpriced. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3643
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Posted - 2015.09.09 18:17:30 -
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lilol' me wrote:I get confused with these posts. what IS the right price for PLEX?
How do you know you wasn't getting it dirt cheap when it was 700mill? Maybe 1 billion is the right price or actually maybe its still too cheap.
How are you deciding what is the right value for a PLEX anyway Here are two other answers:
1) Whatever makes CCP the most money. Too low, and people will not buy them, as its not worth it. Too high, and people will buy them, but will not need to buy many to get what they want. In between, CCP makes the most money. The PLEX trade volume at Jita peaked when the PLEX was 500 million.
2) Whatever controls RMT the best.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Carpe Noctem.
2480
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Posted - 2015.09.09 20:27:20 -
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Poor: How am I gonna PLEX my sub to keep playing for free now?
Not Poor: Hnnnnnghhhhh.....I am so freaking hard right now thinking about how much ISK I will get the next time I buy a 6-pack of PLEX.
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Konnore
November 17th Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2015.09.09 20:51:38 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Poor: How am I gonna PLEX my sub to keep playing for free now?
Not Poor: Hnnnnnghhhhh.....I am so freaking hard right now thinking about how much ISK I will get the next time I buy a 6-pack of PLEX.
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and to whom exactly the rich will sell the plex? |
Dan Seavey Allier
Seavy Acquisitions
42
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Posted - 2015.09.09 21:15:17 -
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Konnore wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Poor: How am I gonna PLEX my sub to keep playing for free now?
Not Poor: Hnnnnnghhhhh.....I am so freaking hard right now thinking about how much ISK I will get the next time I buy a 6-pack of PLEX.
F
and to whom exactly the rich will sell the plex?
Well, at the moment, all those fools in Jita offering a billion isk for less money I tip my dry cleaner every 2 weeks.
Dan
Honey Never Sleeps.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6836
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:04:49 -
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Well someone is looking forward to the 1b isk in jita
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Konnore
November 17th Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2015.09.09 22:50:21 -
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The PLEX was the best idea came out in my whole gaming history...
It holds the inner and the outter game economy in a balance.
It helps poor guys who live in poor countries by giving play time to buy the next month. (Like Greece, I live.) It also helps rich guys in rich countries who likes to give less time for in-game money making.
But I still believe that EVE Online is a very expensive game
I have 2 accounts and I need to pay monthly 28 euros. (imagine that in Greece right now the basic salary is 23 euros per day)
I'm rich in EVE and I can afford PLEX for 2 accounts even if it goes up to 3bil each, but many of my Corp mates thinking of shutting down their secondary and tertiary accounts. (some of them quit it already)
The question is CCP likes more money per account and less accounts or less money per acc with more accounts..!
Sorry for holding you that much. |
Martin Corwin
Emergente Struktur
39
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Posted - 2015.09.09 23:57:22 -
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Tippia wrote:Also, can we get the difference between GÇ£lessGÇ¥ and GÇ£fewerGÇ¥ right, please? Not everyone is a native speaker. Get that stick out of your arse. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
307
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Posted - 2015.09.10 01:04:54 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:DaReaper wrote:
It really is not hat hard to make 1b isk.
That's the problem right there, in my opinion. Remember when a million was huge? I do. I was over the moon when my wallet hit 100m. And I earned it. I didn't buy it from CCP. Then came PLEX. CCP's answer to attracting all those millennials coming of age into the game. Now a billion is nothing. I feel barely adequate with my current worth of around 140b. What a failed experiment PLEX turned out to be for actual gamers. Great for CCP, though, so it's here to stay. Unfortunately. Mr Epeen
You have a short memory. Plex was never an experiment, it was a way of stopping 3rd parties from setting up real life businesses that hired people to grind for isk which was sold to Eve players. Plex has stopped this practice, 100% success.
I would say we should prepare ourselves for more people leaving as it looks as if we will see plex prices rise as the sellers get greedy. This will cause the plex users to feel like eve has become a second job and de-sub. Plex will be worth nothing soon simply because there will be no one left to buy it.
Too many of us never acknowledge that it is partly us that make the game what it is. Yes I've read all the posts about 6-15 minutes grinding per day, I also know there are ways to make 1b easy.
CCP need to look at this issue further, perhaps if they lowered the price to the actual cost of the monthly sub and then split that with their vendors they would still make some money. This needs to be looked at urgently before we lose another few thousand players. Clever customer relations need to be applied here and the long term gain needs to be considered, I'm sorry but HTFU or I killed you won't work here, Finance is limited in RL for some of the folk who love Eve, At this point we can ill afford to turn our backs on them and tell them they shouldn't be playing if they can't afford the sub, I think they'll actually leave and we will be back here chatting **** as to why the numbers have dropped again and completely missing the real reasons why.
Please, Please, Please, CCP sort out the PLEX and contribute to Eve running for another 12 years. I obviously dont know what your outgoing costs are so I maybe wrong, I can imagine CCP has to pay some hefty bills themselves.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1491
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Posted - 2015.09.10 01:59:09 -
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La Rynx wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Called a Giffen Good, see my sig. That makes sense. No it does not. i read the source and googled more information. "Giffen" describes rising demand with increasing price. The giffen paradoxon happens to "inferior goods!" and other "details". "If" there is something, then its market speculation. Hope the frozen fan fiction is better... And and the "10percent sales"... Are still more expensive than the Plex prices from other legal resellers. The wan't make any dent. Why should someone throw his PLEX on the market to lower the price?
Regardless of what it is called, the fact is higher prices for PLEX mean less are offered for sale.
People sell just enough PLEX in game to cover their current costs. They do not randomly decide "oh PLEX are getting a billion ISK now I cash in a stack and buy that Revenant I always wanted" - they sell the number of PLEX needed to cover their current ISK requirements.
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Tesal
445
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Posted - 2015.09.10 02:39:16 -
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The higher the price of PLEX, the fewer need to be made. It cost 2 PLEX to buy a carrier awhile back, now it costs one PLEX to buy a carrier. Fewer PLEX means higher prices. There are other factors in the price of PLEX, but I think that is what is driving the price upward. It isn't a PLEX bubble, it is here to stay.
PLEX is cheap right now. I expect it to go much higher, double what it is now. Maybe even higher. When that happens it is going to affect the prices of everything that players grind for ISK, and lead to general inflation on everything. For example, mining veldspar won't pay the PLEX bill so the miner will unsub leading to higher veldspar prices. Any Alt driven economic endeavor suffer in this market. |
Ultim8Evil
Full Spectrum Inc Fidelas Constans
216
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Posted - 2015.09.10 03:12:54 -
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I don't feel that -ú90 per year for thousands of hours of game time is all that expensive.
People complaining about PLEX prices need to stop being poor IRL, splash a bit of cash, then never worry about PLEX ever again.
Then you can spend time enjoying the game, rather than worrying about carebearing enough to pay for next months carebearing.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6836
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Posted - 2015.09.10 04:11:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Regardless of what it is called, the fact is higher prices for PLEX mean less are offered for sale.
People sell just enough PLEX in game to cover their current costs. They do not randomly decide "oh PLEX are getting a billion ISK now I cash in a stack and buy that Revenant I always wanted" - they sell the number of PLEX needed to cover their current ISK requirements. So as long as the "ISK requirements" are also rising because of higher prices for everything else, we're good... hmm that's one way to go about it... start ganking more so everything becomes harder to get.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
566
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Posted - 2015.09.10 04:45:28 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Regardless of what it is called, the fact is higher prices for PLEX mean less are offered for sale.
People sell just enough PLEX in game to cover their current costs. They do not randomly decide "oh PLEX are getting a billion ISK now I cash in a stack and buy that Revenant I always wanted" - they sell the number of PLEX needed to cover their current ISK requirements. So as long as the "ISK requirements" are also rising because of higher prices for everything else, we're good... hmm that's one way to go about it... start ganking more so everything becomes harder to get.
But costs aren't rising, they are falling and have been.
Eve has been deflationary for a while now. Which means people need less Plex to buy in game assets, which means the price of Plex goes up in game.... that in turn means less Plex needs to be sold to get isk.
It is a self fulfilling prophecy now. Prices of non-plex stuff is dropping, Plex prices are increasing. Plex sellers have to buy less to get the same utility, and plex buyers have to work harder to get the isk to buy the plex.
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2015.09.10 08:32:34 -
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This is getting ridiculous. I just spent 7.2 Bill isk to buy 6 plexes. If plex prices reach the 2 bill isk mark by the time I need to resub again, then I may have to turn away from this game. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3231
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:42:43 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Poor: How am I gonna PLEX my sub to keep playing for free now?
Not Poor: Hnnnnnghhhhh.....I am so freaking hard right now thinking about how much ISK I will get the next time I buy a 6-pack of PLEX.
F
More like :
Miner:
Argh plex is so high i can't sub for free what am i to do there is no other way to make easy isk.
Trader:
Mmmm plex gone up a bit more , meh i'll just buy plex for 3 years to sub in one go , might be cheaper in the end or not who cares anyway .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3231
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:43:49 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Tosski wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Brutus Utama wrote:The price of plex is becoming too high i have had to unsub my miners as its not worth it i had them to make isk but with the increase of isk price for plex they barely pay for themselves and why would i spend so much time grinding just to have the accounts for show they dont provide me anything anymore just enough isk to buy the plex to keep that account going they make me no profit anymore...
i dont see the point in putting the little time i have into mining to get nothing out of it....except another month of grinding to get the same result.... i believe that is called insanity Have you ever though about paying with real money for your subs and not having to grind a single ISK for your gametime? Most people pay for their subs via plex cause they don't have the real life money to pay for it. If not for plexes they wouldn't be able to play. As the economy keeps getting worse in many parts of the world, I can see the demand for plexes slowly go up. But on the other hand if prices of plex keep going up, will be more and more that will not be able to play cause they can't afford them. Yes its easy to make ISK, but also easier to lose it. To me the answer is a big isk sink item, something like titans, but that most anyone can get, good item and costs billions upon billions of ISK, people need a reason to buy more plex to flood the market to get the prices to drop again. If you can't spend 15$ a month on your entertainment, you should have more important stuff on your mind than the price of PLEX.
I think it has more to do with not thinking the game is worth 15 a month then not actually being able to spend 15 a month in most cases.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
55
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:44:14 -
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Ultim8Evil wrote:I don't feel that -ú90 per year for thousands of hours of game time is all that expensive.
People complaining about PLEX prices need to stop being poor IRL, splash a bit of cash, then never worry about PLEX ever again.
Then you can spend time enjoying the game, rather than worrying about carebearing enough to pay for next months carebearing.
Maybe you still live at home with your parents?
but when i have to pay out for my house, my heating bills, water bills, dog food, my car insurance, fuel for the car, food for myself, the internet bills, tv license phone bill, mobile phone bill, satalite tv bills , gym membership as well as being able to put some to one side for savings etc its a nice relief to be able to pay with plex as saving cash is a priority for some people now if i payed with real money for 5 accounts thats another -ú600 a year that to be honest isnt really cheap for a game it becomes quite difficult to pay with real money,
so no not everyone is in a postition to go "splashing cash" on the game maybe 1 account might be feasable to pay with money but not anything more.
also not sure but if you crawl out of your hole you might find its not just a matter of deciding to stop being poor IRL. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1494
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Posted - 2015.09.10 10:56:52 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:Ultim8Evil wrote:I don't feel that -ú90 per year for thousands of hours of game time is all that expensive.
People complaining about PLEX prices need to stop being poor IRL, splash a bit of cash, then never worry about PLEX ever again.
Then you can spend time enjoying the game, rather than worrying about carebearing enough to pay for next months carebearing. Maybe you still live at home with your parents? but when i have to pay out for my house, my heating bills, water bills, dog food, my car insurance, fuel for the car, food for myself, the internet bills, tv license phone bill, mobile phone bill, satalite tv bills , gym membership as well as being able to put some to one side for savings etc its a nice relief to be able to pay with plex as saving cash is a priority for some people now if i payed with real money for 5 accounts thats another -ú600 a year that to be honest isnt really cheap for a game it becomes quite difficult to pay with real money, so no not everyone is in a postition to go "splashing cash" on the game maybe 1 account might be feasable to pay with money but not anything more. also not sure but if you crawl out of your hole you might find its not just a matter of deciding to stop being poor IRL.
its not really saving though is it? you pay for the gym, saving would be going out for a run, satelite tv, saving would be running kodi or similar for free, its just a selective cost you prefer not to pay, eve gives me more entertainment for -ú9.99 a month than my sky subscription which cost me -ú70 a month (i got rid of that to run a free service). but its also your choice to run 5 accounts, you dont need 5 accounts to play eve.
do you think that the price of plex is going up because its actually too easy to make isk in the game?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6839
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:21:30 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Brutus Utama wrote:Ultim8Evil wrote:I don't feel that -ú90 per year for thousands of hours of game time is all that expensive.
People complaining about PLEX prices need to stop being poor IRL, splash a bit of cash, then never worry about PLEX ever again.
Then you can spend time enjoying the game, rather than worrying about carebearing enough to pay for next months carebearing. Maybe you still live at home with your parents? but when i have to pay out for my house, my heating bills, water bills, dog food, my car insurance, fuel for the car, food for myself, the internet bills, tv license phone bill, mobile phone bill, satalite tv bills , gym membership as well as being able to put some to one side for savings etc its a nice relief to be able to pay with plex as saving cash is a priority for some people now if i payed with real money for 5 accounts thats another -ú600 a year that to be honest isnt really cheap for a game it becomes quite difficult to pay with real money, so no not everyone is in a postition to go "splashing cash" on the game maybe 1 account might be feasable to pay with money but not anything more. also not sure but if you crawl out of your hole you might find its not just a matter of deciding to stop being poor IRL. its not really saving though is it? you pay for the gym, saving would be going out for a run, satelite tv, saving would be running kodi or similar for free, its just a selective cost you prefer not to pay, eve gives me more entertainment for -ú9.99 a month than my sky subscription which cost me -ú70 a month (i got rid of that to run a free service). but its also your choice to run 5 accounts, you dont need 5 accounts to play eve. do you think that the price of plex is going up because its actually too easy to make isk in the game? Ah damnit, another person got caught on GD by giving out too many details
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12348
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:37:23 -
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Brutus Utama wrote:Ultim8Evil wrote:I don't feel that -ú90 per year for thousands of hours of game time is all that expensive.
People complaining about PLEX prices need to stop being poor IRL, splash a bit of cash, then never worry about PLEX ever again.
Then you can spend time enjoying the game, rather than worrying about carebearing enough to pay for next months carebearing. Maybe you still live at home with your parents? but when i have to pay out for my house, my heating bills, water bills, dog food, my car insurance, fuel for the car, food for myself, the internet bills, tv license phone bill, mobile phone bill, satalite tv bills , gym membership as well as being able to put some to one side for savings etc its a nice relief to be able to pay with plex as saving cash is a priority for some people now if i payed with real money for 5 accounts thats another -ú600 a year that to be honest isnt really cheap for a game it becomes quite difficult to pay with real money, so no not everyone is in a postition to go "splashing cash" on the game maybe 1 account might be feasable to pay with money but not anything more. also not sure but if you crawl out of your hole you might find its not just a matter of deciding to stop being poor IRL.
One of the ways to stop being poor in real life is stop playing video games when you could be earning extra money. You have enough time to generate PLEX in a video game but not enough time to improve your life situation?
We are talking about 50 cents (USD) a day per account here. That's 0.44735 Euros, or 0.32511 British Pounds per day per account.
I PLEX because I make lots of excess isk doing what I enjoy in game (Shooting NPCs), and the way i work leaves me with time to do that, but if I had to pay, yea I could afford 60 bucks a month for my 4 accounts, and I've got 1 kid in college and I help my other daughter with her bills because of a job loss. All this on top of all the other expenses we have with my wife working part time and me making a public servants salary (I won't be buying any yachts any time soon).
We're talking about a video game here. No one owes you access to a video game dude.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2194
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:38:06 -
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flakeys wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Tosski wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Brutus Utama wrote:The price of plex is becoming too high i have had to unsub my miners as its not worth it i had them to make isk but with the increase of isk price for plex they barely pay for themselves and why would i spend so much time grinding just to have the accounts for show they dont provide me anything anymore just enough isk to buy the plex to keep that account going they make me no profit anymore...
i dont see the point in putting the little time i have into mining to get nothing out of it....except another month of grinding to get the same result.... i believe that is called insanity Have you ever though about paying with real money for your subs and not having to grind a single ISK for your gametime? Most people pay for their subs via plex cause they don't have the real life money to pay for it. If not for plexes they wouldn't be able to play. As the economy keeps getting worse in many parts of the world, I can see the demand for plexes slowly go up. But on the other hand if prices of plex keep going up, will be more and more that will not be able to play cause they can't afford them. Yes its easy to make ISK, but also easier to lose it. To me the answer is a big isk sink item, something like titans, but that most anyone can get, good item and costs billions upon billions of ISK, people need a reason to buy more plex to flood the market to get the prices to drop again. If you can't spend 15$ a month on your entertainment, you should have more important stuff on your mind than the price of PLEX. I think it has more to do with not thinking the game is worth 15 a month then not actually being able to spend 15 a month in most cases.
If something is not worth it's price, why do they keep buying it?
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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
237
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:47:42 -
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If you feel PLEX are too expensive, buy 100 of them and dump them in Jita for about 700K. Be part of the solution instead of crying about it. I hope they keep going up until all the people that whine about PLEX prices GTFO.
flakeys wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: If you can't spend 15$ a month on your entertainment, you should have more important stuff on your mind than the price of PLEX.
I think it has more to do with not thinking the game is worth 15 a month then not actually being able to spend 15 a month in most cases.
So they'd rather spend 10 or whatever hours grinding missions? Seems legit.
If I don't think a MMO is worth $15 a month, I don't play it. Even with "F2P" MMOs I do the sub thing rather than be nickel and dimed or put up with free player restrictions when I'm feeling the itch for some SWTOR or LOTRO.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13873
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Posted - 2015.09.10 12:50:53 -
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Brutus Utama wrote: gym membership I play ingress for exercise. Looks sorta like this.
Who has time for TV???
I'm in it for the money
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archon o'v
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:25:27 -
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plex will hit 1.5b within next 3-6 months, that's the highest it will ever get and will stay like this |
Circumstantial Evidence
213
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Posted - 2015.09.10 15:39:42 -
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archon o'v wrote:plex will hit 1.5b within next 3-6 months, that's the highest it will ever get and will stay like this 3-6 months? lol. Maybe next month, as market forces are pushing toward 1.2b atm. (Also, you'll never need more than 640k RAM.)
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