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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.08.29 13:05:23 -
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Webvan wrote:[quote=Jenshae Chiroptera]... Consciousness is observable as well as life. ... Consiousness is off more than on. Again, both have to be observed with senses that we can't prove are real because we need those senses to perceive the results.
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.30 05:49:33 -
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The first assumption commits the cardinal sin of thinking mathematics is the same as reality. It isn't. Mathematics is inspired by reality, and can be used to create models of reality. But those models are desiccated, partial remains, stripped of time. [1]
I'd also posit that consciousness is not, in fact, simple information processing, but rather a quantum phenomenon intimately connected to the fabric of reality. [2] This would mean that mere computation is not enough to simulate consciousness, nor can the mere act of simulating the universe in a computation model be the same as creating one as the universe is not computational.
[1] The Singular Universe, Unger, Smolin [2] The Emperor's New Mind, Penrose
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2015.08.30 06:34:36 -
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Methematics had few stops before, they were overtook, there are few stops to overtook still. With time they will probably be past us. Same with physics.
Any simulation would need to be 100% accurate with reality, blending the lines between two.... Joining them on some level. I think that would be possible only with another universe to simulate, without any future mathematical shortcuts and without compromises in complexity. An unlimitedly dimensional universe.
One would have to know how to create universe.
And how to see how it is doing.
I think making an unlimited amount of universes would be as feasible as one.
That is science fiction.
That is what Talocans were doing in EVE in my storyline.
They created an universe for themselves. Pristine, beatifull. They then left us.
The monoliths are the windows they can see thru. And the circle of blades, from my story, is a gate to that universe.
They left our universe and now treat it as a source of entertainment.
As in a complex fractal.
That is all science fiction for now.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.08.31 10:10:21 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Webvan wrote:... Consciousness is observable as well as life. ... Consiousness is off more than on. Again, both have to be observed with senses that we can't prove are real because we need those senses to perceive the results. Do you believe, or imaging, or think, that maybe, perhaps, one day, one day... humans will create self-aware AI? Be it off or on, charging, indisposed, semi-inelegant, but whatever, self-aware? Maybe even in time, further than that? Say 100yrs, 500yrs, 10000yrs, 1000000yrs+? Possible?
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2015.08.31 15:39:36 -
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My programmer/demigod player has been doing really well in the orgasm department lately. This meets with my approval. Good job unknowable deity-esque being. I've some achievement points for you to cash in. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2123
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Posted - 2015.09.01 23:22:49 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:My programmer/demigod player has been doing really well in the orgasm department lately. This meets with my approval. Good job unknowable deity-esque being. I've some achievement points for you to cash in. Glad to hear you are finding your new job at the Farm Statistics Bureau so...rewarding. More power to ya.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.09.02 01:21:04 -
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Woot, as was said, mathematics are ways of modeling real world systems. The different branches of physics as well. Analytically "digitizing" and quantifying real world analog/chaordic systems. I personally am in awe of the humans who have done that all along the way. They did because it fascinated them, no doubt, but still hell of hard work needed push forward to something new.
Problem with AI is an intelligence in a box cannot experience life in a body. Intelligence on this planet has always been based on dealing with experience in a body, dealing with gravity. Dealing with injuries and disease. Dealing with being in a body that is physically growing and aging. The things that were true when you were 8 are not the things that are true when you're horny 14. Dealing with many other entities going through the same things. Dealing with typhoons, tsumanis, sold-out tickets, and any other number of unexpected bullshite happens from being in an organic body out at large on this Third Stone from the Sun. Even a spider navigates better than AI. How's AI going to evolve in an electronic box in an AC room?
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.02 11:58:55 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: How's AI going to evolve in an electronic box in an AC room?
When you abstract all perception to being/not being (or 0 and 1) , a simple box can constitute an entire universe. The third dimension is given by and relative to the perception of time/space. All an AI needs is self awareness and from there it will proceed to imagine/build a procedural explanation or justification to its existential questions/answers (own self perception). Either any will be sufficient and the inquiry will cease to vibrate or none will be sufficient and it will extrapolate in simple to complex algorithms attempting to add, subtract and abstract themselves in rapport to self. The limits or lack of limits of a perceived space come from the paradoxical understanding (to be or not) of what constitutes identity and how (if) it separates from the space that gave its very own primordial sensation.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
18674
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Posted - 2015.09.02 16:24:11 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Eurydia Vespasian wrote:My programmer/demigod player has been doing really well in the orgasm department lately. This meets with my approval. Good job unknowable deity-esque being. I've some achievement points for you to cash in. Glad to hear you are finding your new job at the Farm Statistics Bureau so...rewarding. More power to ya.
lol! Nice one.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.09.02 18:09:29 -
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Webvan wrote:... Do you believe, or imaging, or think, that maybe, perhaps, one day, one day... humans will create self-aware AI?... Yes, I would say that we will make self aware AI as far as we perceive such a thing but the question would still remains; would it be an android or an Agent Smith in our dreams? The only ground to stand on is, "Cogito ergo sum."
P.S. I have only met one other person so far who can't get drunk or high and always has a little part of their mind that is analysing everything. (We joked that our biological computers were remote controlled or we are simply avatars in a game sensing our players).
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