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KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
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Posted - 2015.08.07 20:08:03 -
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Building dedicated jump hauler from scratch, which race/ship and why?
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Hadrian Blackstone
Immortalis Fratres Vacui Legio immortales CXCI
173
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Posted - 2015.08.07 20:34:20 -
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Anshar, it'll leave a cool looking wreck when you get ganked |
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
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Posted - 2015.08.07 20:48:19 -
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Hadrian Blackstone wrote:Anshar, it'll leave a cool looking wreck when you get ganked
It's important to keep up appearances all the way through. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5216
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Posted - 2015.08.07 21:01:39 -
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Largest cargo: Rhea > Anshar > Ark > Nomad
Fuel Efficiency: Nomad > Ark > Anshar > Rhea
Fuel cost: Haven't compared prices in a while.
Sometimes the choice is based upon what isotopes you can easily get.
I personally own 5 Charons and 3 Rhea, but that's because every m3 matters to me. If you can't fill every m3, then there are other options. All my JF pilots can use all races of JF.
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KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
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Posted - 2015.08.07 21:50:20 -
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Does the Orca have any merit for "versatility"? |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.08.07 23:00:26 -
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KenFlorian wrote:Does the Orca have any merit for "versatility"? Sure, it can fill many roles, and is a lot less expensive too!
Example: When I lived in w-space, everyone in the corp owned at least one Orca. Though probing wormholes with one is not fun (been there, done that. Wormhole collapsed unexpectedly).
Now that one can toss a mobile depot into them and refit anywhere, an Orca is even more handy.
Hauling, mining boosting, mobile home, etc. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5217
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Posted - 2015.08.07 23:30:00 -
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Also don't forget about the Bowhead (I often do).
Much smaller cargo than an Orca, but can move more ships than an Orca (Orca max is one battlecruiser).
The Bowhead is good for moving between mission hubs, or incursion systems. |
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
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Posted - 2015.08.08 00:18:50 -
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I had not examined Orca carefully until now. It looks like an interesting and useful replacement for both Kryos and Iteron on my way to one of the Big Ones.
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Selaria Unbertable
POS Mortem Renegades Of Silence
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Posted - 2015.08.08 09:59:57 -
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KenFlorian wrote:I had not examined Orca carefully until now. It looks like an interesting and useful replacement for both Kryos and Iteron on my way to one of the Big Ones.
It can be. Just fit for max tank rather than max cargo, it's just not worth it and makes you an attractive gank target instead. |
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
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Posted - 2015.08.08 16:39:51 -
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Thanks all for the input! |
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KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
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Posted - 2015.08.13 18:41:57 -
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The reason for my OP here is that I am now firmly at a decision point as a manufacturer. To haul myself or outsource?
Up until now, I've been able to get by with an Iteron and Kryos and with an acceptable amount of time ATK to move my inputs and outputs. I'm now teetering on the edge of acceptable time.
Either I work an alt up to, say, a Charon, or I learn how to further manage and optimize my supply chain such that is smarter to outsource it. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.08.13 19:28:06 -
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Depends on who much you are moving, and how often.
Example: a Deep Space Transport like the Ocaator may be all you need: 60,000 m3 fleet hangar with Transports 4. It can also be tanked reasonably (well, I know my Bustard has Charon-level EHP), are faster, and less expensive.
You can work-up to a freighter or an Orca. The Orca really requires a skill-detour compared to a transport or freighter. |
Allison A'vani
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
170
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Posted - 2015.08.13 19:42:12 -
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Rhea because it is the best. Cargo Hold > Everything else. Literally nothing else matters. You will only get ganked if you are dumb and auto pilot your JF, never auto pilot your JF.
EDIT: In the OP you reference jump haulers, I assume you meant a hauler with a jump drive. |
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
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Posted - 2015.08.13 21:58:41 -
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Allison A'vani wrote:Rhea because it is the best. Cargo Hold > Everything else. Literally nothing else matters. You will only get ganked if you are dumb and auto pilot your JF, never auto pilot your JF.
EDIT: In the OP you reference jump haulers, I assume you meant a hauler with a jump drive.
Allison,
My OP was wildly uneducated about the hauling class, in general. So I was not even clear on what I was asking.
I'm now moving > Iteron-sized loads a few jumps back and forth and close to the same with Kryos-loads from hub to factory. All in high-sec. Low, null to come at some point.
I'm following a predictable path. Nereus was good enough for awhile, then iteron and Kryos. Now, probably next logical step is the Charon, IF, IF, IF, I am going to haul my own stuff. If not, then it doesn't matter. At this point, I don't plan to be a station trader. |
KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:22:58 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Depends on who much you are moving, and how often.
100,000'ish M3 daily (but gradually increasing)....3 to 5 Iteron loads depending on tank. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5239
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Posted - 2015.08.13 23:18:15 -
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KenFlorian wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Depends on who much you are moving, and how often. 100,000'ish M3 daily (but gradually increasing)....3 to 5 Iteron loads depending on tank. Ya, you probably want a freighter, for hisec hauling at least.
Or if you are patient, you can use public courier contracts. Consider the price of a freighter vs. courier fees. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
369
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Posted - 2015.08.14 02:11:11 -
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KenFlorian wrote:[quote=Tau Cabalander]100,000'ish M3 daily (but gradually increasing)....3 to 5 Iteron loads depending on tank. That is a lot of hauling. In fact, it makes me wonder what you are hauling (you don't need to say for security reasons). If you are hauling ore, minerals, PI there are specialized haulers that are cheap and easy trains that will give you a lot more capacity.
The big industry players all swear by contracting the hauling, but I like to haul my own freight because I enjoy being in space and an industry career can have you in the station looking at spreadsheets for a lot of your time.
When I was pursuing industry for profit I would make a weekly run to Jita to buy moon materials and sell the T2 goods that I had manufactured. I have a minimally trained alt in Jita to monitor buy and sell orders.
While I have a couple of freighters I've become a big fan of blockade runners. A blockade runner is faster, much safer, and give the ability to travel in low-sec. It also automatically gives you access to deep space transports which are also much safer to move than freighters.
One last comment, you're familiar with locator agents, right? By posting with your main people can know where you operate and setup to intercept your freight.
p.s. Ugh, one more last comment, make sure you create insta-dock and undock bookmarks at any hubs you regularly visit.
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
369
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Posted - 2015.08.14 02:14:21 -
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Back to your original question, I went with a Providence freighter because it had the best balance of attributes AND I liked the way it looks the best. I'm now working on the skills for an Ark.
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KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
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Posted - 2015.08.14 14:58:55 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote: ...make sure you create insta-dock and undock bookmarks at any hubs you regularly visit.
Shiloh,
Good points, all, and thanks much as usual!
I have been hauling maximum tanked, most of the time. As of this week, I using couriers and will soon enough have an alt to fully restore "KenFlorian" to station vermin, only.
I do have the requisite set of insta-marks but at least some seem a bit "off"....IOW, for my undocks most of my ships still repoint a fraction before making the beeline out.
Some of my docks also seem to require a bit of a shift when arriving. They are very fast but I don't understand if they are working like a professionals marks would.
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Artemis Dalvik
Arxersize Industries
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:53:26 -
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My advice would be to save up so that you can purchase ~700km3 worth of inputs at a time then use contracts to move goods back and forth. You're going to be looking at ~1-1.5m per jump + a little more for pickup fee if the route is just a couple jumps. doing this everyday for 100km3 isnt going to be worth it but for big loads it is. Once you do that for awhile run your numbers and see if it makes sense to buy a freighter.
Make sure your collateral is 110-120% of the value of the load and then advertise it in "Haulers Channel". It'll move at 1m per jump but make it 2m+ if you want to get someone's attention fast. |
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KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:13:55 -
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Artemis Dalvik wrote:My advice would be to save up so that you can purchase ~700km3 worth of inputs at a time then use contracts to move goods back and forth. You're going to be looking at ~1-1.5m per jump + a little more for pickup fee if the route is just a couple jumps. doing this everyday for 100km3 isnt going to be worth it but for big loads it is. Once you do that for awhile run your numbers and see if it makes sense to buy a freighter.
Make sure your collateral is 110-120% of the value of the load and then advertise it in "Haulers Channel". It'll move at 1m per jump but make it 2m+ if you want to get someone's attention fast.
Artemis,
Any reason I should not try to max a load out at 845k m3? |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1710
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:44:41 -
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Max?
That sounds like a charon cargo size from before freighter rebalancing. These days, depending on fit, they can take anywhere from around 500k m3 to over 1 million m3. More cargo though = less tank. People may suspect that an 800k cargo is a trap, especially if it has a high collateral.
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KenFlorian
Jednota Inc
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Posted - 2015.08.15 00:43:56 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Max?
That sounds like a charon cargo size from before freighter rebalancing. These days, depending on fit, they can take anywhere from around 500k m3 to over 1 million m3. More cargo though = less tank. People may suspect that an 800k cargo is a trap, especially if it has a high collateral.
I believe it is Red Frog Freight's current high-sec max... that's why I used it. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1711
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Posted - 2015.08.15 09:32:32 -
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You're right, it is. It's RedFrog's limit, it's only applicable if you're couriering via RedFrog. With them, unless it's ore or trit, you're more likely to run into the collateral limit first. |
Tupac ice
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.08.15 10:19:03 -
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Whilst I strongly encourage people to haul, it's great fun :)
The major hauling companies offer a reliable and predictable service. People tend to complain about the turn around time, but it is just one massive sausage factory. I like that they have a no scamming code, should you make a mistake.
Perhaps look at haulers channel to post your contracts? Once you find a hauler that can reliably haul to you needs (speed, collateral, Timezone, etc) maybe strike up a regular thing with them? There are of course some horror stories of people taking the max time or indeed ransoming the time of delivery...strange creatures.
Whilst I'm still two weeks from returning, most of my hauling jobs came from traders and Indi that would send private contracts to me. For traders I could have stuff picked up and dropped off whilst they were online. for Indi, it tended to work better when I would be off-set with their Timezone, so I would log on to x contracts and they would then log on to markets full of goods to sell and production bases full of materials.
Hauling yourself is cheaper, but like a lot of guys have pointed out it exposes you to risk at a cost of your time. Eve is great to leverage off of people's interests and experience to focus on what floats your... Errmm spaceship.
Who the hell is this Tupac guy.... And what would he know?
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