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The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.08.07 20:51:49 -
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I've gotten back into the groove after a long absence, running L4's in Caldari space, and I'm close to maxed on all relevant DPS skills for my Golem, along with +5 missile implants in slots 6-10. (The remaining skills I could eak out DPS would be guided missile precision 4->5, warhead upgrades 4->5, Torp. Specialization 4->5, Marauders 4->5, for more TP bonus).
Since I'm already one-popping destroyers through battlecruisers, and I'm consistently taking down BS with 3-4 volleys (sometimes 5 for the tough ones).... are the +6 missile implants actually worth it? It seems like, to justify them, I'd have to be guaranteed to convert a lot of my BS 4-pops into 3-pops to speed up missioning. With bastion I can hit out to 56km, combine that with jav torps and I can hit out to 84, so it only seems like I could improve my range by maybe 1km or so.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but... .+6's.... not really worth it?
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5216
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Posted - 2015.08.07 21:30:37 -
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In my opinion.... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Tau_Cabalander |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2971
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Posted - 2015.08.07 23:51:37 -
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Missions are not a good reason to invest in expensive anything.
Putting more and more money in to completing missions tiny amounts faster is where dead officer fit marauder killmails come from.
Start investing your isk in some other activity. |
Paranoid Loyd
6565
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Posted - 2015.08.08 00:14:19 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Putting more and more money in to completing missions tiny amounts faster is where dead officer fit marauder killmails come from. Not to mention hilarious pod kill mails.
OP do you have Cybernetics trained to V? That is an investment to consider as well if you don't.
IMO, not worth it at all.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
687
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Posted - 2015.08.08 00:40:19 -
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"worth" is probably one of the most subjective words in the English language and "it' one of the most indefinitive.
Also you are posting this here on the NC Q&A section of the forums and you are an older toon than me. I gotta be honest with you this feels a lot more like chest beating that it does an honest question.
Oh and in case you have not figured it out yet the pirate types are all running locator agents on you as we speak. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
8478
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Posted - 2015.08.08 00:57:00 -
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Lemme put this simply OP...
Do your mission running like you are running a courier service.
Yeah, sure... you can buy a Mustang or Pugani or McLaren and do the job really well (and in style)... but for what you are doing, you are not hitting top speed. And you never will. So that extra performance is wasted. Go with the Prius if you can get away with it. It'll have lower operating costs and you'll cry less when it breaks.
While this colorful analogy is not quite accurate... the general message still applies:
Do not pay for more than you absolutely need to perform a task effectively. Anything beyond that is pure min/maxing luxury and you will pay through the nose for that luxury... which is bad if you are trying to earn an actual, stable income.
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Daerrol
Krieger Industries Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
219
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Posted - 2015.08.08 01:10:03 -
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Each implants increases ISK/HR bounty by aproximated 6%. (OFC if blitzing warp speed is a larger factor and this number decreases but let's ignore that for simplicity)
What's a 5% cost? So you have to grind about 2,500,000,000 to make it breaqk even.
https://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=24638
The RL-1006 costs 520,000,000 This needs 10.4BN to be ground before it has broken even. https://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=3140
Assuming a modest 40m/hr you are looking at about 84 HOURS of grinding to replace the 5%. It gets much more horrifying for the 6%. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1283
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Posted - 2015.08.08 01:14:05 -
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i would follow the advice given above.
Drop everything possible and still maintain your one-shotting destroyers through to BCs.
invest everything else into warp speed, agility and rate of fire. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
421
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Posted - 2015.08.08 02:22:44 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Yeah, sure... you can buy a Mustang or Pugani or McLaren and do the job really well (and in style)... . Picking nits here so forgive me, but I am also a car guy and these things are important. It is Pagani not Pugani. http://www.pagani.com/
And to stay on topic what I agree with what ShahFluffers has said.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
8478
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Posted - 2015.08.08 03:10:25 -
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Donnachadh wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Yeah, sure... you can buy a Mustang or Pugani or McLaren and do the job really well (and in style)... . Picking nits here so forgive me, but I am also a car guy and these things are important. It is Pagani not Pugani. http://www.pagani.com/ And to stay on topic what I agree with what ShahFluffers has said. *backhandslaps*
Poh-tay-toe... poh-tah-toe...
How did you Veterans start?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11175
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Posted - 2015.08.08 04:05:55 -
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for pve, nope not worth it. might be in pvp depending on the rest of the fit but its had to say in a vacuum.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
4061
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Posted - 2015.08.08 10:58:06 -
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Depends.
Will you make more ISK/hour --> no
Will you have more fun? --> no (except running from people that want to pop your pod, of course)
Will seeing a higher DPS number in EFT or in-game make you happy? --> Possibly, but you can only answer this yourself
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16831
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Posted - 2015.08.08 13:56:55 -
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The Larold wrote:I've gotten back into the groove after a long absence, running L4's in Caldari space, and I'm close to maxed on all relevant DPS skills for my Golem, along with +5 missile implants in slots 6-10. (The remaining skills I could eak out DPS would be guided missile precision 4->5, warhead upgrades 4->5, Torp. Specialization 4->5, Marauders 4->5, for more TP bonus).
Since I'm already one-popping destroyers through battlecruisers, and I'm consistently taking down BS with 3-4 volleys (sometimes 5 for the tough ones).... are the +6 missile implants actually worth it? It seems like, to justify them, I'd have to be guaranteed to convert a lot of my BS 4-pops into 3-pops to speed up missioning. With bastion I can hit out to 56km, combine that with jav torps and I can hit out to 84, so it only seems like I could improve my range by maybe 1km or so.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but... .+6's.... not really worth it?
Are you seeing a lot of shots where the rat only has a teeny bit of structure left?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12269
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Posted - 2015.08.08 14:44:24 -
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And thats a good point. I just dealt with that last week working on a bomber fit for ratting. I kept coming up a sliver left on local ewar rats when I wanted to take them out in 1 volley. If I couldn't have adjusted the fit, then yes enough implants/hardwire would be needed to do it. They pop so nice.
I'm in it for the money
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1372
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Posted - 2015.08.08 18:44:41 -
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probably not, with missiles it probably just increases the amount of overkill and won't often reduce the number of volleys needed. unless it is a very small amount like 1-3% and I'm guessing a little there.
with turrets maybe, instant damage and feedback means you can reduce overkill by a good amount. and when it does happen it is only with one gun, rather than a whole volley. With missiles you can guess at this, but shooting partial volleys doesn't seem worth it to me as it is a lot of micro management, and if you get it wrong and start shooting another target with missiles in flight you end up wasting dps going back to kill it later.
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The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:12:11 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:"worth" is probably one of the most subjective words in the English language and "it' one of the most indefinitive.
Also you are posting this here on the NC Q&A section of the forums and you are an older toon than me. I gotta be honest with you this feels a lot more like chest beating that it does an honest question.
Oh and in case you have not figured it out yet the pirate types are all running locator agents on you as we speak.
I haven't played Eve in over 5 years, and have just been getting back into the swing of things. So, yes, it was an honest question. The +6's didn't exist back then and, like officer mods, it just seems like a boat-load of $$$ for too much risk and/or too little reward.
If the pirates get me, so be it. I don't play on weekends and am in an unpopular timezone. I d-scan every 5-10 seconds when missioning, never auto-pilot, and always empty cargo after each mission. Anyone ganking me will be very disappointed in the module drops. The only thing worth anything on my setup are the 3 republic TPs. Everything else is just T2 or fancy T1.
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The Larold
Avalon Enterprises
7
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Posted - 2015.08.08 21:20:49 -
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Malcanis wrote:The Larold wrote:I've gotten back into the groove after a long absence, running L4's in Caldari space, and I'm close to maxed on all relevant DPS skills for my Golem, along with +5 missile implants in slots 6-10. (The remaining skills I could eak out DPS would be guided missile precision 4->5, warhead upgrades 4->5, Torp. Specialization 4->5, Marauders 4->5, for more TP bonus).
Since I'm already one-popping destroyers through battlecruisers, and I'm consistently taking down BS with 3-4 volleys (sometimes 5 for the tough ones).... are the +6 missile implants actually worth it? It seems like, to justify them, I'd have to be guaranteed to convert a lot of my BS 4-pops into 3-pops to speed up missioning. With bastion I can hit out to 56km, combine that with jav torps and I can hit out to 84, so it only seems like I could improve my range by maybe 1km or so.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but... .+6's.... not really worth it?
Are you seeing a lot of shots where the rat only has a teeny bit of structure left?
This is an awesome question, and cuts right to the heart of the matter.
I am seeing a _few_ BS'es with a tiny bit of shield-structure left. But not a lot. Maybe a few specifically in Gone Berserk. Everything else the final torp volley is enough power without a ton of overkill.
The answer seems pretty unanimous and matches my gut - +6 is just not worth it the cost. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5229
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Posted - 2015.08.10 04:14:52 -
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Bling is not worth it in ISK generating activities unless the bling is the difference between keeping and losing your ship.
Low end deadspace tanking modules *can* be justified. Hyper-expensive implants, however - no.
Please note that as a ganker and a trader, I watch the sales of bling and report suspicious purchases to the appropriate authorities. If someone bought a set of three ORE Strip Miners from me, my entire alliance would watchlist them. If someone bought a 6% missile implant from me, I'd at least mention it in alliance chat and someone might watchlist you.
So you actually expose yourself to *more* danger by buying bling.
Going beyond low-end deadspace modules and 5% implants is really unlikely to be justified unless you are flying capitals or flying some form of errard where ten billion ISK or more is on the line (which at present is pretty much only ever PVP situations).
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Shady Anonymous Donor
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.08.10 11:33:30 -
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Personally, I found high performing implants to be very useful. Yes, they only amortize after a long time, but if you are at a stage where you are contemplating buying them chances are you will be running missions for a long time. Also, with all due respect to the honorable ladies and gentlemen suicide gankers, you would have to be very stupid or very unlucky to lose a pod to their shenanigans. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1336
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Posted - 2015.08.10 11:57:30 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Lemme put this simply OP...
Do your mission running like you are running a courier service.
Yeah, sure... you can buy a Mustang or Pagani or McLaren and do the job really well (and in style)... but for what you are doing, you are not hitting top speed. And you never will. So that extra performance is wasted. Go with the Prius if you can get away with it. It'll have lower operating costs and you'll cry less when it breaks.
While this colorful analogy is not quite accurate... the general message still applies:
Do not pay for more than you absolutely need to perform a task effectively. Anything beyond that is pure min/maxing luxury and you will pay through the nose for that luxury... which is bad if you are trying to earn an actual, stable income.
edit: because I am a terrible person for mispronouncing beauty.
this is why i do lvl 4's in a t2 fit tengu it works, maybe slow but it gets the job done and if i get ganked then i dont really care, its easy to replace, i dont understand why people officer fit stuff in highsec, why not go to null and run a cheap ship and make more isk in missions
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Tyape
Love the DaKa
8
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Posted - 2015.08.10 13:03:13 -
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Lan Wang wrote:this is why i do lvl 4's in a t2 fit tengu it works, maybe slow but it gets the job done and if i get ganked then i dont really care, its easy to replace, i dont understand why people officer fit stuff in highsec, why not go to null and run a cheap ship and make more isk in missions
There are two main reasons why people don't mission in 0.0. One: it's scary. Two: it involves paying attention to your surroundings (a.k.a. effort). If you are willing to invest some effort into making ISK, you might as well run incursions, build stuff or play the markets. Missions are only one step up from AFK mining when it comes to brain activity and there is nothing wrong with that imo. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1336
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Posted - 2015.08.10 13:13:46 -
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there is no effort in incursions apart from managing complete boredom
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Tyape
Love the DaKa
8
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Posted - 2015.08.10 13:16:02 -
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Lan Wang wrote:there is no effort in incursions apart from managing complete boredom you still have to look for a fleet, move to where the incursion is, listen to the FC and try to not get your ship killed because you warped too soon or into the wrong site. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1336
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Posted - 2015.08.10 13:18:44 -
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Tyape wrote:Lan Wang wrote:there is no effort in incursions apart from managing complete boredom you still have to look for a fleet, move to where the incursion is, listen to the FC and try to not get your ship killed because you warped too soon or into the wrong site.
other than that the only difference between incursions and lvl 4's is fleet and isk, i think people do lvl 4's because they are solo not because they can afk them
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Tyape
Love the DaKa
8
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Posted - 2015.08.10 13:23:53 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Tyape wrote:Lan Wang wrote:there is no effort in incursions apart from managing complete boredom you still have to look for a fleet, move to where the incursion is, listen to the FC and try to not get your ship killed because you warped too soon or into the wrong site. other than that the only difference between incursions and lvl 4's is fleet and isk, i think people do lvl 4's because they are solo not because they can afk them Same difference. Finding a fleet is effort, communicating with fleet members is effort, paying attention is effort. Granted, you need to pay *some* attention when you run missions but there are only so many times you save the damsel before you can do it while watching porn on the other screen. In hisec that is. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1336
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Posted - 2015.08.10 13:28:36 -
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finding a fleet isnt effort, join the channel, post your fit and wait for the invite, thats not effort and incursions fleets even streamline this through websites now, you anchor up and shoot the tags the the fc's broadcast in incursions, its not effort, more effort goes into missions by working out triggers etc, you can only really afk drone boats in missions and still you need to pay a bit of attention
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Tyape
Love the DaKa
8
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Posted - 2015.08.10 13:38:10 -
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Lan Wang wrote:finding a fleet isnt effort, join the channel, post your fit and wait for the invite, thats not effort and incursions fleets even streamline this through websites now, you anchor up and shoot the tags the the fc's broadcast in incursions, its not effort, more effort goes into missions by working out triggers etc, you can only really afk drone boats in missions and still you need to pay a bit of attention You are stating how something is no effort and then describe it, proving that it actually is. Let's just agree to disagree, it's of no consequence either way. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1336
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Posted - 2015.08.10 13:42:30 -
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Tyape wrote:Lan Wang wrote:finding a fleet isnt effort, join the channel, post your fit and wait for the invite, thats not effort and incursions fleets even streamline this through websites now, you anchor up and shoot the tags the the fc's broadcast in incursions, its not effort, more effort goes into missions by working out triggers etc, you can only really afk drone boats in missions and still you need to pay a bit of attention You are stating how something is no effort and then describe it, proving that it actually is. Let's just agree to disagree, it's of no consequence either way.
im describing that they both require the same amount of effort but the reason people dont do incursions is because they prefer to solo
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Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5238
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Posted - 2015.08.11 00:13:12 -
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Shady Anonymous Donor wrote:Personally, I found high performing implants to be very useful. Yes, they only amortize after a long time, but if you are at a stage where you are contemplating buying them chances are you will be running missions for a long time. Also, with all due respect to the honorable ladies and gentlemen suicide gankers, you would have to be very stupid or very unlucky to lose a pod to their shenanigans.
Or very careless because you've been inattentively running missions for a long time.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Shady Anonymous Donor
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.08.11 12:36:02 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Shady Anonymous Donor wrote:Personally, I found high performing implants to be very useful. Yes, they only amortize after a long time, but if you are at a stage where you are contemplating buying them chances are you will be running missions for a long time. Also, with all due respect to the honorable ladies and gentlemen suicide gankers, you would have to be very stupid or very unlucky to lose a pod to their shenanigans. Or very careless because you've been inattentively running missions for a long time. There are literally hundreds of viable lvl4 agents across hisec, many of them in backwater systems with near empty local. Once you do your research and find a few quiet places to run all you need to do is set the usual suspects to red and keep a low profile. I ran missions in stupidly expensive faction battleships for years before losing interest and never lost one to gankers. |
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