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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2015.08.13 15:48:21 -
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File a petition and explain to CCP why their own definition of exploit is wrong in the context of their own game lol. |
X Nibiru
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:03:54 -
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I was really just curious. Thanks to all that had an explanation. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
690
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:13:43 -
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Legatus1982 wrote:Oh look another links alt owner is in here defending his buddy imagine my surprise. Your credibility was never higher.
And if you had any sense you would petition it. Something tells me you already have and were told it wasn't. |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
17
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Posted - 2015.08.15 03:41:48 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:Oh look another links alt owner is in here defending his buddy imagine my surprise. Your credibility was never higher. And if you had any sense you would petition it. Something tells me you already have and were told it wasn't.
And you'd be assuming a lot of incorrect things, which is not surprising, but not buying it. More likely you lie as much as your butt buddy to keep things going your way and give no thought to the game state. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1506
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Posted - 2015.08.15 11:05:14 -
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Legatus1982 wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:Oh look another links alt owner is in here defending his buddy imagine my surprise. Your credibility was never higher. And if you had any sense you would petition it. Something tells me you already have and were told it wasn't. And you'd be assuming a lot of incorrect things, which is not surprising, but not buying it. More likely you lie as much as your butt buddy to keep things going your way and give no thought to the game state.
Well, 0/10 for constructing a coherent sentence let alone argument.
Are you saying these guys are making you cry and you HAVENT petitioned them? Cmon, even CCP needs a laugh!
One way to fix the problem of high sec FW campers is to just leave FW if you want to be in high sec, or move to low sec.
Caldari militia used to camp our newb FDU system in villore years ago. It was the best thing they could have done for Gal mil since it forced a lot of people to man up and move to low sec which was one of the catalysts for Gal mils current superiority and general cohesion over Caldari.
Problems in EVE are usually only as bad as you inability to respond makes them. |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
17
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Posted - 2015.08.15 17:47:04 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Legatus1982 wrote:Oh look another links alt owner is in here defending his buddy imagine my surprise. Your credibility was never higher. And if you had any sense you would petition it. Something tells me you already have and were told it wasn't. And you'd be assuming a lot of incorrect things, which is not surprising, but not buying it. More likely you lie as much as your butt buddy to keep things going your way and give no thought to the game state. Well, 0/10 for constructing a coherent sentence let alone argument. Are you saying these guys are making you cry and you HAVENT petitioned them? Cmon, even CCP needs a laugh! One way to fix the problem of high sec FW campers is to just leave FW if you want to be in high sec, or move to low sec. Caldari militia used to camp our newb FDU system in villore years ago. It was the best thing they could have done for Gal mil since it forced a lot of people to man up and move to low sec which was one of the catalysts for Gal mils current superiority and general cohesion over Caldari. Problems in EVE are usually only as bad as you inability to respond makes them. If CCP solved all of the problems in EVE there wouldnt be much of a game left.
You see anything on my kill board in high sec?
I don't have the patience for your ignorance. Learn what it is you're talking about. |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
516
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Posted - 2015.08.15 18:22:57 -
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Legatus1982 wrote: You see anything on my kill board in high sec?
I don't have the patience for your ignorance. Learn what it is you're talking about. Yet apparently something which has been going on for literally years is something new to you which you think CCP will declare an exploit any day now.
I will agree with you and the OP that the FW npc coding is stupid. And every militia has people that take advantage of it. And it is not just station camping in the other militias high sec that is a ******** reality in this game. For instance why do the damn NPC gallente attack me if I go into a mission site to kill a squid missioner?
But blaming people that have figured out how to distract the brainless and badly coded NPC militia, when it has been distractable for years, is simply being a whiner. If you have a valid whine, direct it at the offending party, CCP. They have not declared the long used tactics to defang the NPC militias as an exploit for years. And wont be doing it any day now. But they might be persuaded to improve the coding with NPCs if you would bark as loudly to them as you are in this thread.
CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
415
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Posted - 2015.08.16 14:15:13 -
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Ok let me clear this up some time ago the owner on faceless pamela on another toon was in our corp we went upto lithura and camped we figured if u jumped in 10 bs that would take all the spawn and then u could jump logi and anything else u wanted in and they wouldnt get wrecked just aslong as ur drones didnt attack enemy npcs (this would make aggro switch from the initial 10)..... Being the ingenious guy he is he started thinking of ways to solo this way he would hunt down mission runners in facwar but HS lvl4s so he came up with the drone / rep theory and the fast frigate alt which both worked to a great extent.
Once realising the drone thing worked 2 more corpys Scrutt5 and Dav Varien started to do it in jita, which both of them petetioned ccp and asked them if it was a valid mechanic. Both recieved replys saying they were aware of it and it was fine they even went as far as calling it clever gameplay / use of mechanics and wished them well in there endevours.....
Also Arthur Hellsing a gal pilot saw them doing this and frapsed it and posted it on this forum probably 2 years ago and also petitioned ccp (look for it) now im sure arthur was told the same thing as he now murders people in high sec all the time.
lorren gallen did the mission runner hunting aswell he was probably the best in the game at it and became number 1 on battleclinic for years im sure ccp was also aware of this and did nothing as he was just using mechanics..
im sure your getting the picture now unless ur totally braindead, CCP know about this and have for years instead of calling it an exploit they called it clever gameplay and allowed people to carry on doingit.
Its only an exploit if its something thats unintened by the gamemakers and is EXPLOITED again and again
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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Icarius
The Wings of Maak
29
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Posted - 2015.08.16 15:07:21 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote: lorren gallen did the mission runner hunting aswell he was probably the best in the game at it and became number 1 on battleclinic for years im sure ccp was also aware of this and did nothing as he was just using mechanics..
This .. is false Lorren gallen, in recent years, before leaving game, didn't use tanking drone or fast frigate alt. Most of the time, he used to shield tank navy spaw with his machariel boosted by a tengu alt. This is quite pathetic , there is no links between lorren gallen first place and your tactics.
You try to make us believe that anyone fighting in hostile hi sec is using your borderlines tactics.
I am sorry, but there is a problem.
Last time croakroach was playing in abudban "in the wrong side" , it was for me very interesting to study it. And what i found ... a rattelsnake inside a force field while his drone was outside the force field. A neutral Nestor was remote repairing the drone and it was impossible for me to lock the rattlesnake inside the force field or to shot the Nestor
if at least I could shot the nestor i would consider it as a valid tactic. This is a broken feature. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1507
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Posted - 2015.08.16 16:36:34 -
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pop the drone?
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
415
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Posted - 2015.08.16 17:15:59 -
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Icarius wrote:
if at least I could shot the nestor i would consider it as a valid tactic. This is a broken feature.
Pop the drone give the nestor a timer?
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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Val Erian
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
35
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Posted - 2015.08.16 17:37:56 -
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The drone rep method or a close variation is what Pervs and various others used to do in Villore. They used to get petioned all the time as well.
So basicly it's been occurring for Years. Ccp knows about it .
Loren gallen didn't use this method fyi. He used mach and a boosting tengu sometimes a repper. I used to team up with him on occasion as I did the Dessie solo hunt thru hi sec. If I found something to big I'd give him a shout. |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
17
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Posted - 2015.08.17 03:43:43 -
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I have heard this is what croakroach does from croak and his friends myself, however unless there is a person who can draw navy aggression without being in galmil this is not what the gang in litiura was doing. There were only 2 gals in system and both were on gate, and both not being aggressed by the navy which was right there floating around.
In fact I know of a guy I've spoken to personally who regularly hunts opposing faction in their high sec solo on a day to day basis and his kill board is absolutely flooded with kills (~95% ships, isk, and point efficiency) and he makes billions off the stuff he kills.
You guys say it can't be done so it must be a timer related issue, but I held my cloak for like 20s before warping off and saw no aggression at all. You're either wrong or lying, but whatever, of course I don't have proof so I don't care, I use alts in highsec anyways.
Regardless, under the assumption that it is "clever gameplay" to lure the poorly done navy AI or use whatever other method, what is the purpose of the navy at all? If I can prevent the navy from doing ANYTHING in the system at all solo or with 1 alt/help then there is no reason to even have this feature in the game to begin with. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1507
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Posted - 2015.08.17 11:24:52 -
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Who said it cant be done? I was in corp with Loren Gallen, the guy who made high sec WT hunting a 'thing', for a long time. Once i even had to put my booster alt into a talos and burn 10 jumps into high sec to help him with a particularly tanked target.
Im just curions what exactly you are complaining about since Loren Gallen used to get NPC agro all the time lol.
Back to your general problem, instead of complaining about things that are sanctioned by CCP, why not put that massive intellect to use and suggest how you think they SHOULD work and WOW us with your vision for EVE lol. |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
17
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Posted - 2015.08.17 21:47:17 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Who said it cant be done? I was in corp with Loren Gallen, the guy who made high sec WT hunting a 'thing', for a long time. Once i even had to put my booster alt into a talos and burn 10 jumps into high sec to help him with a particularly tanked target.
Im just curions what exactly you are complaining about since Loren Gallen used to get NPC agro all the time lol.
Back to your general problem, instead of complaining about things that are sanctioned by CCP, why not put that massive intellect to use and suggest how you think they SHOULD work and WOW us with your vision for EVE lol.
So you now agree it is possible to use some method to sit on a gate with hostile FW navy not aggressing you in enemy highsec without any friendly FW pilots in system? Just for clarification. Because the implication here:
Quote:As for your scenario, i have camped lituria long ago, coincidentally, with the same person that the OP is complaining about in Jita
You are mistaken if you think the rats are not attacking him there. All you need to do is tank the ~200 or so dps and kill the ewar rats if you see something coming you want to kill. There is no NPC neuting in lituria so its easy to just tank the rats. It does get more problematic if you fight next door in the 0.6 where you are neuted fairly quickly but its still doable.
It is possible that you saw the rats spawning but passed by in the 20 or so seconds it takes for the rats to start shooting. This is likely if he didnt want to sit and tank NPC and just came to the gate to try and catch you or some other squid.
Is that you are claiming this is not the case. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1507
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Posted - 2015.08.17 22:10:06 -
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Im not sure how you took that meaning from my post, but them im constantly amazed how difficult it is for you to comprehend the simplest realities.
"Im just curions what exactly you are complaining about since Loren Gallen used to get NPC agro all the time lol." |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
17
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Posted - 2015.08.18 00:10:21 -
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Legatus1982 wrote:I have heard this is what croakroach does from croak and his friends myself, however unless there is a person who can draw navy aggression without being in galmil this is not what the gang in litiura was doing. There were only 2 gals in system and both were on gate, and both not being aggressed by the navy which was right there floating around.
In fact I know of a guy I've spoken to personally who regularly hunts opposing faction in their high sec solo on a day to day basis and his kill board is absolutely flooded with kills (~95% ships, isk, and point efficiency) and he makes billions off the stuff he kills.
You guys say it can't be done so it must be a timer related issue, but I held my cloak for like 20s before warping off and saw no aggression at all. You're either wrong or lying, but whatever, of course I don't have proof so I don't care, I use alts in highsec anyways.
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Who said it cant be done?l
And I'm not complaining about anything, I'm getting to the bottom of your lies. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1507
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Posted - 2015.08.18 01:43:37 -
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legatus1982 wrote:In fact I know of a guy I've spoken to personally who regularly hunts opposing faction in their high sec solo on a day to day basis and his kill board is absolutely flooded with kills (~95% ships, isk, and point efficiency) and he makes billions off the stuff he kills.
You guys say it can't be done
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Who said it cant be done?l
You did not imply that this person was abusing some unknown bug to avoid NPC aggro. I was saying that high sec ganking can be done, NPC aggro in its current for doesnt need to be circumvented.
And i gave you an example of the best known person who trail-blazed high sec FW ganking and told you that he took NPC agro every single time he did it, including the odd time i did it with him.
Loren made a lot of isk too, and was all-time number one on battleclinic until he quit and let ashensugar (who i was also in a corp with for a time) take over.
Honestly, it feels pretty much like im talking to someone who knows nothing about the game. |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
17
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Posted - 2015.08.18 11:07:53 -
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You're right, I didn't imply anything, I flat out said it in a way even peons couldn't possibly misunderstand.
And I don't know what part of "I've spoken to him personally" and "I've witnessed myself at gates" is hard for you to understand, but by all means feel free to leave the thread since you contribute nothing worthwhile anyways.
Bottom line here is that the faction navy is in the game for a seemingly specific reason, and they are not fulfilling that role. Period. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1507
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Posted - 2015.08.18 18:13:00 -
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So while i have flown with the original and best high sec FW hunter, and occasionally camped gates with Corina who the OP was complaining about, and know first hand that they get NPC agro. But i know nothing, ok lol.
And you spoke to some curiously unnamed dude who admitted that he was using a bug that CCP is not aware of, an action that receives an almost compulsory perma ban if he neglect to inform CCP of said bug. Seems legit
You should probably look up them chat logs mate. |
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Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
17
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Posted - 2015.08.18 19:39:04 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:So while i have flown with the original and best high sec FW hunter, and occasionally camped gates with Corina who the OP was complaining about, and know first hand that they get NPC agro. But i know nothing, ok lol. And you spoke to some curiously unnamed dude who admitted that he was using a bug that CCP is not aware of, an action that receives an almost compulsory perma ban if he neglect to inform CCP of said bug. Seems legit You should probably look up them chat logs mate. As for the role of NPC resistance in high sec, its not there to be an invincible barrier to any hostile FW pilot. This is another glaring example of you having no idea about the game you are playing.
Oh boy you flew with some guy you think is good yes I can see how that makes you the eve online expert with a master's degree in spaceshipping. This is the reason I don't take you seriously.
You're the one who said yourself it can be done then mysteriously changed your mind when it didn't suit you any more.
And no, I never posted anything about the navy being invincible barrier to anything, making up **** I didn't say isn't making you look more credible.
Regardless of what role they are supposed to perform, they are not currently doing it. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
692
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Posted - 2015.08.18 21:34:08 -
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If you think it is an exploit, petition it, report it, notify CCP, etc. Otherwise, HTFU.
Nothing is being gained from this stupid arguing, except making yourself look like a complete asshat. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1507
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Posted - 2015.08.18 22:10:23 -
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Legatus1982 wrote:Oh boy you flew with some guy you think is good yes I can see how that makes you the eve online expert with a master's degree in spaceshipping. This is the reason I don't take you seriously. You're the one who said yourself it can be done then mysteriously changed your mind when it didn't suit you any more. And no, I never posted anything about the navy being invincible barrier to anything, making up **** I didn't say isn't making you look more credible. Regardless of what role they are supposed to perform, they are not currently doing it.
Just because you have a low level of reading comprehension and got confused about something i said doesnt mean i actually said it lol. If you spoke to someone who amazingly admitted to using a bug to avoid all NPC aggro without the already sectioned methods, forward the chat log to CCP and let them ban the dude for not following the regular bug reporting process.
And as for NPC navies role, CCP disagrees with you. So as per all our previous discussions, i will again defer to CCPs clearly stated vision and intentions rather than your impression of what things should be like.
Stop whining about things that are working as intended, calling people cheaters when they arnt, using all the wrong terminology, being ignorant about almost everything then pretending to be an expert when its explained to you.
If something bothers you in game, make a post in Features and Ideas and outline what is wrong with the current mechanics and your vision of how it should work. |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
17
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:33:47 -
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Direct quote is now a low level of reading comprehension, you heard it here first.
And no Estella, this forum is here for exactly the purpose it is serving on this thread: to discuss game related issues. The fact that you disagree with certain points of view doesn't make you an authority on anything or grant you the right to silence anyone, and if you don't like what is on the forums, don't ******* read them. Your pointless hate spam based on your support of broken systems is adding nothing of value at all. In fact even Crosi has made more valuable contributions than yourself and that's saying alot. You could really just disappear and nobody would give a damn.
In regards to the actual issue, the navy is in the game for a specific purpose and is currently serving none. That is a broken system whether you agree with it or not, and telling people to be quiet about it doesn't change the facts. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
487
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Posted - 2015.08.19 13:41:04 -
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Legatus1982 wrote:Direct quote is now a low level of reading comprehension, you heard it here first.
And no Estella, I'm not going to be quiet because you don't agree with me. The forum is here to discuss game related issues, that is what we're doing, and if you don't like it you're free to find the door out and not read the thread. I can promise you that your pointless personal attack spam won't be missed by anyone.
In regards to the actual issue, the navy is in the game for a specific purpose and is currently serving none. That is a broken system whether you agree with it or not, and telling people to be quiet about it doesn't change the facts, nor does ccp being too lazy to fix it.
What you probably want to do is start a thread in the features and idea discussion about strengthening the faction navy rats (and how they respond) then, and the reasons why you would like that to happen (protect the poor newbro's in highsec). In addition you may want to bring it up with your CSM reps or mention it in the newfw slack channel (though, that has already been done).
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Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
19
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Posted - 2015.08.19 14:58:05 -
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Or I could post in the already existing thread discussing faction navy instead of creating a duplicate thread for no reason.
As for reasons, the fact that a mechanic exists for no purpose at all because it is being 100% bypassed should be reason enough for people to pull their heads out of their collective asses and admit the system needs work. |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
693
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Posted - 2015.08.19 17:00:40 -
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Legatus1982 wrote:Direct quote is now a low level of reading comprehension, you heard it here first.
And no Estella, I'm not going to be quiet because you don't agree with me. The forum is here to discuss game related issues, that is what we're doing, and if you don't like it you're free to find the door out and not read the thread. I can promise you that your pointless personal attack spam won't be missed by anyone.
In regards to the actual issue, the navy is in the game for a specific purpose and is currently serving none. That is a broken system whether you agree with it or not, and telling people to be quiet about it doesn't change the facts, nor does ccp being too lazy to fix it.
Except this thread is just you and Crosi arguing back and forth whether it is an exploit or not, what an exploit is, etc. Not to mention you just disregarding other advice, such as the one Thanatos just gave.
You are either fishing for the exact method that is being used, or just trolling now. I suspect the latter. If I knew the exact method, I wouldn't say; because the tactic is much more fun when only a few know how it really works. |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
19
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Posted - 2015.08.19 17:53:49 -
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""Advice" meaning to create a duplicate thread for no reason which would probably get appended to this discussion by a mod anyways.
You didn't even say anything in that last post, pretty much 100% **** posting from you guys because you want to be able to pew newbies in high sec without dealing with the navy. And that's not even relevant, because you can negate the navy without even using the exploit.
What this thread comes down to is a bunch of douchebags abusing a broken mechanic to kill noobs, and trying to discredit anyone who posts about it, even when the mechanic is broken without exploiting anyways. I really hope ccp isn't stupid enough to buy your bullshit, but it's always possible unfortunately. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1507
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Posted - 2015.08.19 19:41:29 -
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All ive said in this thread is that the known methods of evading NPC aggro, as described here, are not exploist by CCP's own definition of the term.
Im trying to help you articulate your point better and also pointed you to features and ideas which would be the proper place to constructively express ideas about how NPCs could better behave.
I havent said im pro or anti high sec ganking, or anything about the quality of the mechanics surrounding high sec npc aggro. Im just trying to temper your sperg posting so you arnt just calling people cheats and saying things are exploits without truly understanding the weight of the claims you are making based on ignorance and spurious anecdotes. |
Legatus1982
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
19
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Posted - 2015.08.19 20:37:10 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:All ive said in this thread is that the known methods of evading NPC aggro, as described here, are not exploist by CCP's own definition of the term.
Im trying to help you articulate your point better and also pointed you to features and ideas which would be the proper place to constructively express ideas about how NPCs could better behave.
I havent said im pro or anti high sec ganking, or anything about the quality of the mechanics surrounding high sec npc aggro. Im just trying to temper your sperg posting so you arnt just calling people cheats and saying things are exploits without truly understanding the weight of the claims you are making based on ignorance and spurious anecdotes.
I don't buy even for one second that this is your actual intention in this thread. Given the way you're flip flopping around on certain issues in fact it's pretty obvious where your intentions are. |
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