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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
496
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:03:00 -
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lab geek011 wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Why should two guys in a two man corp be able to own more POCOs than two guys in a 2000 man corp? I never said that all im saying is that there needs to be a cap as in theory one corp could have all of them in the universe, it could be based on skills in corp management the more members you have in corp the more you can have but it should not be unlimited
again I have to ask, how can you put a cap on it if players can just use alts in one man corps to add more to the limit under the same alliance?
you would have to limit alliance totals, then poeple would work together in unaffiliated corps, then it would have to be personal limits to the number of POCOs you can own.
it's simply not going to work because its something not designed to be limited nor can it be effectively limited without further breaking the sandbox
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
494
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:04:00 -
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Did you check to see if you could use it anyway at a decent tax rate? Or did they exclude you completely?
Many corps are leaving their PCO's open to neutrals at a better tax rate than they would otherwise have.
Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
13
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:06:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Did you check to see if you could use it anyway at a decent tax rate? Or did they exclude you completely?
Many corps are leaving their PCO's open to neutrals at a better tax rate than they would otherwise have.
Yes they are leaving them open to neutrals but at 10% same tax rate as High so why go to Low or Null. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
494
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:10:00 -
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Lone Gunman wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Did you check to see if you could use it anyway at a decent tax rate? Or did they exclude you completely?
Many corps are leaving their PCO's open to neutrals at a better tax rate than they would otherwise have.
Yes they are leaving them open to neutrals but at 10% same tax rate as High so why go to Low or Null.
Because the tax rate in Low is 17% and has a larger supply, Null even more so. You will make more money than in High sec paying 10%, and have zero risk. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
494
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:12:00 -
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Should I mention that if you are friendly about it they might grant you blue status and give you a better tax rate than that as well? Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
13
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:35:00 -
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Yes, maybe you can set up in Low/Null.
GÇóMaybe you can get a better tax rate than 10% Same as High GÇóMaybe you can make enough to using the pittance cargo of a blockade Runner GÇóMaybe you can get by the Low Sec choke points gate camps GÇóMaybe you can avoid the pirates camping the Customs office GÇóMaybe you can avoid the pirates camping the Low Sec Station Exit. GÇóMaybe you can Hire Mercs at a Billion ISK a day GÇóMaybe you can Buy a Jump Freighter for about Six Billion
Or you can just PI in High security and not have to deal with this bullshit.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
494
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:50:00 -
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Lone Gunman wrote:Yes, maybe you can set up in Low/Null.
GÇóMaybe you can get a better tax rate than 10% Same as High GÇóMaybe you can make enough to using the pittance cargo of a blockade Runner GÇóMaybe you can get by the Low Sec choke points gate camps GÇóMaybe you can avoid the pirates camping the Customs office GÇóMaybe you can avoid the pirates camping the Low Sec Station Exit. GÇóMaybe you can Hire Mercs at a Billion ISK a day GÇóMaybe you can Buy a Jump Freighter for about Six Billion
Or you can just PI in High security and not have to deal with this bullshit.
According to the original post, this person (your alt?) already lives in low sec (references to "my system") or does PI there regularly already. So pretty much every point you just made is moot, as they were all preexisting conditions prior to this patch.
The only thing that has changed for him is the amount of the tax charged (already being compensated for in the market) and who the tax is being paid to. The rest of the equation is the same.
So ninja it out, or make friends with the land lord, or simply give up and go High. The choice is his. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
41
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:15:00 -
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Whining is annoying.
First of all, what's large? Our tiny tiny alliance is putting up a few POCOs and they don't take long to take down an Interbus one with two sieged dreads. Especially the newly buffed Moros.
We have already had the local pirates put it into reinforced mode twice. They do it during our off times. But we have them set to exit reinforced during our peak time and we rep it up. We charge 10% to neutrals. You know what happened? We had nuetrals coming to help us rep it to get blue status so he'd get charged 2% CEO and Major ShareholderAPEX ConglomerateMaker of Starsi softdrinks and Torped-Os! Cereal http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
6
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:39:00 -
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I for one am completely appalled that CCP created a mechanic which requires interaction with other players to exploit. Why should I be forced to use diplomacy or force or...make friends...to fully access content in a massively multiplayer game?
This is bullshit, CCP |
Psychophantic
176
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:41:00 -
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Cloora wrote:Our tiny tiny alliance
71 people.
Bet you couldn't tell me their first names.
Welcome to EvE, hang out with people you don't know, don't care about and don't want to know in order to succeed.
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DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
498
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:44:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Small corp of friends > large alliance of strangers 5 Maelstroms > 50 Aeons? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
553
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:48:00 -
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May present to you the wonderful and amazing term known as a business agreement?
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Blood Fart
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:51:00 -
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So....small corps can't hit these things over the course of a few days and cause a lot of repping which puts out quite a few alliance members that own them?
Oh wait there are ways but it requires some work and politics and possibly some shooting and danger and wearwolves and viruses and.....
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Cloora
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
41
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:54:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:Cloora wrote:Our tiny tiny alliance 71 people. Bet you couldn't tell me their first names. Welcome to EvE, hang out with people you don't know, don't care about and don't want to know in order to succeed.
Lol guess how many are my alts alone? CEO and Major ShareholderAPEX ConglomerateMaker of Starsi softdrinks and Torped-Os! Cereal http://www.altaholics.blogspot.com
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Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
106
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:55:00 -
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OCCUPY INTERBUS
WE ARE THE 99%! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
494
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:59:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:Cloora wrote:Our tiny tiny alliance 71 people. Bet you couldn't tell me their first names. Welcome to the internet, hang out with people you don't know as well as you think you do, don't care deeply about and don't want to know too personally in order to socialize and have fun.
FYP Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Thomas Orca
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
21
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Posted - 2011.12.09 00:59:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:Cloora wrote:Our tiny tiny alliance 71 people. Bet you couldn't tell me their first names. Welcome to EvE, hang out with people you don't know, don't care about and don't want to know in order to succeed.
Confirming that alts don't exist in EVE. Also confirming that you have to know someone's real name to hang out with them on the internet. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1984
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:24:00 -
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Lone Gunman wrote:Yes they are leaving them open to neutrals but at 10% same tax rate as High so why go to Low or Null. For the same reason(s) you went to low or null before the patch.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
337
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:26:00 -
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Why would you think a 2 man corp could compete? You say you love eve, but hate its freedom? If you're gonna be a 2man corp you gotta have the balls to make it. Hire mercs to keep ya safe, but don't ***** cause you can't take on a blizzard as a snowflake. I'm a ******* profanity filter that can catch **** and *****, but fuckin little else. -á
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
337
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:27:00 -
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lab geek011 wrote:Dorian Wylde wrote:lab geek011 wrote:
yes people will say join bigger corps or have more people but some of us dont want that its like a corner shop owner vs a large megastore
You may want to open a newspaper from anywhere in the last 30 years. still think there should be a limit on how many can be had
THERE ARE LIMITS!!!
HOW MANY YOU CAN PROTECT!
YOU CAN PROTECT 0,
get it?
I'm a ******* profanity filter that can catch **** and *****, but fuckin little else. -á
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Psychophantic
176
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:49:00 -
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Cloora wrote:Psychophantic wrote:Cloora wrote:Our tiny tiny alliance 71 people. Bet you couldn't tell me their first names. Welcome to EvE, hang out with people you don't know, don't care about and don't want to know in order to succeed. Lol guess how many are my alts alone?
Cool. So it only takes multiple people with multiple accounts active round the clock to protect a poco.
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Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
39
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:03:00 -
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Feligast wrote:lab geek011 wrote:yes people will say join bigger corps or have more people but some of us dont want that its like a corner shop owner vs a large megastore So you know what you need to do to compete, you just refuse to do it... therefore we should feel sorry for you and change the rules to punish those more successful than you. Gotcha.
No, what he is saying is that there is no reason to gamble in a casino where the cards are marked, the dice are loaded, and the dealers are all crooked. So why play? The results are a foregone conclusion unless you are capable and prepared to use the same game-breaking Metagaming techniques (ala the Goons) to bring either RMT or pilot numbers to bear. He is complaining that the game mechanics CCP has chosen to use arbitrarily favor such Metagamers with "I-Win" buttons, and it shouldn't. If the playing field is inherently uneven, why try?
This is why many people are just moving on to other games.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
553
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:06:00 -
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For a one man corp I do say I have managed to compete against others in my business in my area, then again I as assuming they're just learning the ropes.
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Kent Reeves
29
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:10:00 -
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lab geek011 wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Why should two guys in a two man corp be able to own more POCOs than two guys in a 2000 man corp? I never said that all im saying is that there needs to be a cap as in theory one corp could have all of them in the universe, it could be based on skills in corp management the more members you have in corp the more you can have but it should not be unlimited This would put more skills to train in corp management and would force players to be a bit more picky when setting up structures. I like this. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
496
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:16:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:Cloora wrote:Psychophantic wrote:Cloora wrote:Our tiny tiny alliance 71 people. Bet you couldn't tell me their first names. Welcome to EvE, hang out with people you don't know, don't care about and don't want to know in order to succeed. Lol guess how many are my alts alone? Cool. So it only takes multiple people with multiple accounts active round the clock to protect a poco.
You are correct. It is obviously impossible to protect anything in EVE.
That's why thousands of player owned PCO's, POS's, and Outposts do not exist.
What they need is some mechanic in place so that you can choose the best time to defend a structure under attack... some kind of timer..... hmmmmm. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
496
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:17:00 -
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Comrade Commizzar wrote:Feligast wrote:lab geek011 wrote:yes people will say join bigger corps or have more people but some of us dont want that its like a corner shop owner vs a large megastore So you know what you need to do to compete, you just refuse to do it... therefore we should feel sorry for you and change the rules to punish those more successful than you. Gotcha. No, what he is saying is that there is no reason to gamble in a casino where the cards are marked, the dice are loaded, and the dealers are all crooked. So why play? The results are a foregone conclusion unless you are capable and prepared to use the same game-breaking Metagaming techniques (ala the Goons) to bring either RMT or pilot numbers to bear. He is complaining that the game mechanics CCP has chosen to use arbitrarily favor such Metagamers with "I-Win" buttons, and it shouldn't. If the playing field is inherently uneven, why try? This is why many people are just moving on to other games.
Gosh Comrade, when will it be YOUR turn? Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Pere Madeleine
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
7
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:17:00 -
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To be perfectly honest, while I do disagree with the OP, I think a small tweak to the POCOs is in order.
At the minute, POCOs can be set to come out of RF in a certain window (2 hrs), so a corp/alliance will set ALL their POCOs to come out in their peak time. This is fine, and it's much preferable to having to micromanage fuel levels etc. However, there's really no advantage to RFing all of a corp's POCOs, since unless you have the numbers to simultaneously hit them all at once when they come out of RF, it's very easy for the owners to defend them anyway. They recharge their shields quickly, so it's only a case of delaying the attackers long enough for them to recharge back up above 25% shields, because then they need RFed again.
The problem is not that large corps are able to have more POCOs, it's that they can only really be taken over if the owners either don't want them, or you're bigger than the owners. I think the best way to change this would be to make it so the POCO didn't need RFed again until its shields had fully recharged, or just reduce their recharge rate.
However, does the OP realise that POCO ownership is transferable, so perhaps he could work out some kind of renting deal with his bigger neighbours? They might be amenable to that, if they're actually in it for isk. They might just be interested in fights ;) |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
103
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:31:00 -
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Everyone exept those bigest alliances can move back to highsec now.... A smaller alliance can not eaven have supers anymore... after nerf.
Welcome to highsec |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
496
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:40:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Everyone exept those bigest alliances can move back to highsec now.... A smaller alliance can not eaven have supers anymore... after nerf. Welcome to highsec
Well, according to the OP a piddly 90 man corp is taking over huge numbers of planets in Low Sec.
So much for your theory. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
11
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Posted - 2011.12.09 02:57:00 -
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Sorry OP and everyone thinking like the OP. You want a Customs Office, your gonna have to take the risk of it getting shot by those stronger than you and taking it from you. Just like anyone else that puts these up.
If you want to limit the number of Customs Offices someone holds, then you need to start shooting them or get someone to shoot them for you. Many other people have previously said these same things.
It never ceases to amaze me how much RL seeps into Eve. People all over the planet want someone to take care of something for them too, just like in Eve. God forbid they actually, you know, work for it themselves.
It is possible to solo Eve and be successfull. It requires more than warping to zero and pressing F1-F8. Use your brain, learn game mechanics, if one thing your try doesnt work you try something else.
Why is it someone elses fault you cant do something? Just freaking do it. |
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