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Gustav Mannfred
Summer of Mumuit
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:08:08 -
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I have ran lots of expedition sites last week and I'm curious about the selection of the systems, where the escalation site spawns depending on the system, where I have ran the anomaly, that escalated.
For example, if I run anomalys in 0.8 systems, they escalate most often into low sec, in 0.7 systems it is like 50/50 and 0.5/0.6 systems tend to escalate again more often to lowsec. I never got one from a 0.9/1.0 system so far.
I also got several 5/10 escalations from dens, two were in Hi sec. Dens only spawn in 0.5 and 0.6 systems. Evelopedia says, that anomalys escalate most often to systems with equal or lower secutity level, means, if I ran a Den in a 0.6 system, the escalation spawns in a system with 0.6 and lower sec. Then, I saw a video on YT of someone running a 5/10 in a 0.7 systems. How is it possibile that dens escalate to systems with higher security that the system where the den spawned?
Is it also possibile, that anomalys fron low/nullsec can escalate to low/hisec? I have heard, that someone got a 10/10 escalation to a low sec systems, where 10/10 normally don't spawn as signatures. But I also got several 4/10s to nullsec, where they normally not spawn as signatures.
My question: Is there actually a mechanic behing the escalation sites and the system, where the escalation occured, or does the site just spawn in a random system, regardless of security level(theoretical chance for 6+/10 in hi sec)?
i'm REALY miss the old stuff.-á
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.08.10 00:49:06 -
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Well, more than likely the spawning aspect for Expeditions is all messed up now.
My memory might be a little hazy now but at first all the final locations for expeditions would always be in a lower security level (high to low, low to null) or unfriendly space (different Sov in null). Sometimes that resulted in the escalation route having way too many jumps, thus players usually ignored it.
CCP reduced the amount of jumps for expeditions and made expedition sites able to spawn within the same system security level (high to high, etc.). Also in an attempt to entice more players into low sec, CCP made all exploration sites able to spawn there.
CCP has done a lot of other changes to the exploration career too, such as changing the expedition timer, moving various sites into different scan classifications, imposing ship restrictions on specific sites, etc.
Yeah, lot's of other 'Instant Gratification' changes have been made to exploration / expedition sites within the past year or two. Unfortunately those changes have also introduced various bugs that when fixed, usually messes up another aspect of it. In other words, exploration has been messed with quite a bit. Hell, I'm surprised the whole system still works as good as it does.
At least expeditions are still spawning, right?
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
61
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Posted - 2015.08.10 03:25:32 -
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Actually, level 5/10 expeditions CAN spawn in hi-sec, just on an extremely small percentage on the RNG. Strangely enough, I've had this happen twice in the last month. Unfortunately, one was spawned 28 jumps away, going through both sides of the Jita pipeline during the weekend. Interesting experience.
To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.
...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1521
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Posted - 2015.08.10 03:36:15 -
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Buoytender Bob wrote:Actually, level 5/10 expeditions CAN spawn in hi-sec, just on an extremely small percentage on the RNG. Strangely enough, I've had this happen twice in the last month. Unfortunately, one was spawned 28 jumps away, going through both sides of the Jita pipeline during the weekend. Interesting experience.
How far away was it if you went through low security space?
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1521
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Posted - 2015.08.10 03:41:31 -
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Here are some recent Dev Blogs and other links about Expeditions (aka Escalations).
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/all-that-is-gold-does-not-glitter-data-sites-expeditions-and-more/
Quote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-phoebe
The number of system jumps required to continue Expeditions has been lowered from 4 to 20 (min / max) down to 2 to 10 (min / max). (Note that the jumps listed in your Journal may exceed 10 but this is due to your Autopilot route settings) Expeditions now search all nearby available systems rather than forcing you into a lower security system.
So, that is how it is supposed to work... and generally does work that way in my experience, which is limited to 0.0.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2367
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Posted - 2015.08.10 05:20:10 -
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Low sec can get 7/10 escalations for sure (I've had handful) and obviously high can get 5/10s even if they're rare. I think quite a bit has to do with where you generate the escalation and how close it is to a lower sec band. |
Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
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Posted - 2015.08.10 23:44:13 -
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I have to think something is up with the program code,then. I've just had a 3/10 escalation 3rd stage pop up 39 jumps away in high sec AND also going through at least 4 lo-sec systems. Somehow the autopilot mapping for the route decided to get as close as it could through hi-sec (only 1-2 lo-sec jumps), then the last three jumps were through lo-sec until the last one was back to hi-sec. I did not toggle between my route selection options; next time I will just to see what happens. Obviously the computer is supposed to judge the initial location at 10 or under, but the mapping program may have some type of glitch that comes up if a combination of lo-sec and hi-sec are en route and you have chosen the hi-sec only option. I guess I'll have to look a little more careful each time one of these pop up. At least it beats the time when I first started EVE and had a jump of 44 for my first escalation.
To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.
...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1529
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Posted - 2015.08.11 07:18:48 -
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Buoytender Bob wrote:I have to think something is up with the program code,then. I've just had a 3/10 escalation 3rd stage pop up 39 jumps away in high sec AND also going through at least 4 lo-sec systems. Somehow the autopilot mapping for the route decided to get as close as it could through hi-sec (only 1-2 lo-sec jumps), then the last three jumps were through lo-sec until the last one was back to hi-sec. I did not toggle between my route selection options; next time I will just to see what happens. Obviously the computer is supposed to judge the initial location at 10 or under, but the mapping program may have some type of glitch that comes up if a combination of lo-sec and hi-sec are en route and you have chosen the hi-sec only option. I guess I'll have to look a little more careful each time one of these pop up. At least it beats the time when I first started EVE and had a jump of 44 for my first escalation.
The game is supposed to not give you an escalation more than 10 jumps from each stage - using the fastest route to get there. The game is not supposed to pick based on your autopilot settings.
If you have "avoid this system" or "safest" route checked, I would expect some weird results when you try to autopilot your route there.
I would love to plug your results into Dotlan and see what comes up. In which system did you receive the initial escalation? To which system did it escalate? And where is the third part now?
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
277
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Posted - 2015.08.11 12:25:06 -
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I had an escalation yesterday after running a 3/10 site, how do you find where to go? I couldn't see anything in my mission log.
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David Therman
University of Caille Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2015.08.11 15:32:50 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:I had an escalation yesterday after running a 3/10 site, how do you find where to go? I couldn't see anything in my mission log.
Journal -> Expeditions (if you did indeed get an escalation from it, I've yet to get one after completing a DED site).
And in regards to the OP, In the past couple of months of grabbing escalations, only once did I get one that was more then the half dozen or so jumps it is on average nowadays (for me at least); from Ikao, some 20 odd-jumps deep into Syndicate. I've also had 7+8/10's as low-sec escalations (when they themselves aren't native to low), although those came from combat anoms in low-sec so that shouldn't be too surprising.
In regards to that YT vid, if it was the Angel 5/10 then that would be the odd one out, as you can get that as an escalation from Refuge's. For everything else, I'd just put it down to the RNG living up to it's name, and what the surrounding systems are like sec-wise. |
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
277
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Posted - 2015.08.11 21:28:11 -
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Yes it did, but nothing in the journal.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Serpentis_Lookout
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Angel_Kickbacks
I scanned the original site in a .6 system,
Then got the escalation message, but as I said..nothing to say where to go or anything. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51139
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Posted - 2015.08.12 02:49:29 -
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There's a chance that the expedition pop up message may appear with a message stating that the expedition has hit a dead-end, even at the start. When that happens there is no entry listed in the journal.
Sounds like that might have happened in your situation..
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
63
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Posted - 2015.08.12 03:14:44 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Buoytender Bob wrote:Actually, level 5/10 expeditions CAN spawn in hi-sec, just on an extremely small percentage on the RNG. Strangely enough, I've had this happen twice in the last month. Unfortunately, one was spawned 28 jumps away, going through both sides of the Jita pipeline during the weekend. Interesting experience. How far away was it if you went through low security space?
Just looked at my past map: in this case it was exactly 10 jumps away with 8 of them through low sec ( and at least 2 gate camps; maybe the long trip around wasn't as bad as i thought)
To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.
...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1539
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Posted - 2015.08.12 07:47:40 -
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Buoytender Bob wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:Buoytender Bob wrote:Actually, level 5/10 expeditions CAN spawn in hi-sec, just on an extremely small percentage on the RNG. Strangely enough, I've had this happen twice in the last month. Unfortunately, one was spawned 28 jumps away, going through both sides of the Jita pipeline during the weekend. Interesting experience. How far away was it if you went through low security space? Just looked at my past map: in this case it was exactly 10 jumps away with 8 of them through low sec ( and at least 2 gate camps; maybe the long trip around wasn't as bad as i thought)
Okay, so it is working as CCP intended. Good to hear.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
67
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:35:34 -
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Just when we thought we had everything straightened out:
Third leg of "Angel Kickbacks" . Second leg had put me in Arant and it escalated again to Bei. Originally put the trip as 44 jumps, so I lol'd and reset route planner to "ignore security" option. (i.e., quickest route). The route then offered was through lo-sec, but it listed it at 16 jumps. So.............
Guess if CCP intended to have a max of 10 jumps per leg of escalations, then they need to re-examine their coding. I'll submit a bug report to see if they comment. Anyone else observing this problem?
To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.
...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51222
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Posted - 2015.08.16 22:42:53 -
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Well, at least it's not 44 jumps.
As for the 16 jumps running you through low sec systems, CCP's main intention has always been to make it very tough for players to succeed. They revel in seeing players fail. Yeah I know it's sadistic but their track record shows it to be true.
Anyway, hope you have lot's of success with your expedition and may it escalate to 4th stage.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Ephigy
InterSun Freelance SONS of BANE
0
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Posted - 2015.08.22 21:34:35 -
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I've had a run of escalations that head into pretty deep low, at least for a high-sec ded site.
Blood Raider Psychotropics Depot, 11 jumps into nul. I'm not a surprised that this went into nul, just how deep it went.
Follow the Blood, 7 jumps into sov-nul. This one kind of shocked me, I've never had the first stage of this one head 7 jumps straight into nul.
Maybe just a run of bad luck, but those are just two of the examples. Of course the drone escalations are always in high. Yay.
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Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
85
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Posted - 2015.08.25 10:35:31 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Well, more than likely the spawning aspect for expeditions is all messed up now.
My memory might be a little hazy now but I believe DED 4/10 has always been the largest expedition site able to spawn in high sec.
DMC
That is easy to explain, DMC. It depends where you are triggering the escalation of a den. If there are no low/nullsec within a 16 jumps distance (shortest path, without any security status restriction for travelling) the system behind choses to offer the escalation in highsec. That way you can get 5/10s in highsec. Or at least that is what it is intended to do. For whatever reason i also had a 5/10 in highsec, only 5 jumps away from the system it was triggerd in and i had low sec border in 3, 5 and 6 jumps distance, and even null in 7 jump distance. Why ive got it? No idea. You are probably right when saying it is all somehow bugged.
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Buoytender Bob
Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining
81
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Posted - 2015.09.07 17:12:46 -
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Sorry to reanimate a dead thread, but had some "official" responses from CCP in regards to my observations:
1) All expeditions/escalations do indeed spawn within 10 jumps of the originating system. Should be no exceptions.
2) My failure in the above example (Arant to Bei) indicating a 16 jump path was caused by having Deltole on my avoidance list. Somehow it got put on the list (which is only supposed to have Jita on it) over 5 years ago and then forgotten.
A big "D'oh" for me.
To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit.
...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.
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Gustav Mannfred
PubSwarm Federation Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2015.09.15 10:50:15 -
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Last week, something weird happened:
I got a Maze escalation from a sactum in nullsec to lowsec
i'm REALY miss the old stuff.-á
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