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Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:01:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:both guristas and angel cartel got second weakest resist guess which one.. yes thermal
so chose the right crystals and lasers are not that bad.. Problem however is with tanking.. since ohnestly explo and kin dmg output are probably the worst case scenario for armor tanking ships.. exclude T2/T3
Anyway both amar and gallante got their "unique" roles. You want to make them minmatar AC/Artillery platform, so why even have amar and gallante then ?
Guess you just don't know what are you talking about. Resists from worst to best:
Angels: EXP, KIN, TH, EM
Mulifreq. crystals have the highest TH damage and it is 40% of a total damage, other 60% is EM. All you have to do is math. I don't feed the trolls. |
IIIIIAMGIIIII
Flying Bags Inc. Bulgarian Space Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:01:00 -
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RubyPorto i`m really far far away of even thinking to use Artilery in Abaddon.Not every player here have that many Sp in his character.thats why a few peeps here trying to explanin to you all,we need a few changes in Laser ammo,so Amarr character can use his oun ship with his oun guns and ammo and don`t have to wait loooong time to learn other factions skills for weapons etc..
All we Amarr want is balance for our Great faction,so the little guy don`t have to wait learning other nonAmarr weapons etc. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
141
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:01:00 -
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IIIIIAMGIIIII wrote:Many ppl thin Amarr have Em+Thermal dmg lol. Peeps please look at that lasers ammo.The ones with Thermal dmg like Multy fre or Confla have -50 range, this mean 20klm for Bs and under 10 for other type ships.Thats why we use only Scorch nothing else work for us prety much for now :)
You're coming from a PvE perspective where you should be using Tachs and Faction Multi. Every time. Once you are inside your optimal, all you need is the correct tracking number (Scripted TC2s are your friend). And rats tend to make that easy by being slow. You suffer no penalty from being closer than your optimal.
For PvP, 15km is often all you need, depending on your FC and warpin. And I would say 1400 Baddons vs 1400 Maelstroms goes to the Maelstrom fleet in any lag setting assuming reasonable fleet sizes. The increased alpha from the Maels is much more important than the increased tank. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:05:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:IIIIIAMGIIIII wrote:Many ppl thin Amarr have Em+Thermal dmg lol. Peeps please look at that lasers ammo.The ones with Thermal dmg like Multy fre or Confla have -50 range, this mean 20klm for Bs and under 10 for other type ships.Thats why we use only Scorch nothing else work for us prety much for now :) You're coming from a PvE perspective where you should be using Tachs and Faction Multi. Every time. Once you are inside your optimal, all you need is the correct tracking number (Scripted TC2s are your friend). And rats tend to make that easy by being slow. You suffer no penalty from being closer than your optimal. For PvP, 15km is often all you need, depending on your FC and warpin. And I would say 1400 Baddons vs 1400 Maelstroms goes to the Maelstrom fleet in any lag setting assuming reasonable fleet sizes. The increased alpha from the Maels is much more important than the increased tank.
Maelstrom got same alpha as Abaddons.. Abaddons got twice the ehp of maelstroms..
Only possitive thing about maelstrom is agility and speed, but they have bigger signature so..
dps is an difference, hence lag or lag free enviroment.. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
141
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:07:00 -
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Fix My Lasers wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:both guristas and angel cartel got second weakest resist guess which one.. yes thermal
so chose the right crystals and lasers are not that bad.. Problem however is with tanking.. since ohnestly explo and kin dmg output are probably the worst case scenario for armor tanking ships.. exclude T2/T3
Anyway both amar and gallante got their "unique" roles. You want to make them minmatar AC/Artillery platform, so why even have amar and gallante then ? Guess you just don't know what are you talking about. Resists from worst to best: Angels: EXP, KIN, TH, EM Mulifreq. crystals have the highest TH damage and it is 40% of a total damage, other 60% is EM. All you have to do is math.
Dont shoot angels with lasers. Easy. If you're doing missions, run them in Amarr missions. If you're looking for null to live in, crosstrain or live somewhere you can shoot sansha. You don't get to stay pure racial specced in nullsec. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
142
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:10:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:RubyPorto wrote:IIIIIAMGIIIII wrote:Many ppl thin Amarr have Em+Thermal dmg lol. Peeps please look at that lasers ammo.The ones with Thermal dmg like Multy fre or Confla have -50 range, this mean 20klm for Bs and under 10 for other type ships.Thats why we use only Scorch nothing else work for us prety much for now :) You're coming from a PvE perspective where you should be using Tachs and Faction Multi. Every time. Once you are inside your optimal, all you need is the correct tracking number (Scripted TC2s are your friend). And rats tend to make that easy by being slow. You suffer no penalty from being closer than your optimal. For PvP, 15km is often all you need, depending on your FC and warpin. And I would say 1400 Baddons vs 1400 Maelstroms goes to the Maelstrom fleet in any lag setting assuming reasonable fleet sizes. The increased alpha from the Maels is much more important than the increased tank. speaking of 1400mm variants. Maelstrom got same alpha as Abaddons.. Abaddons got twice the ehp of maelstroms.. shield vs armor tank.. logistics nightmares... those are guys who hold the ropes. Only possitive thing about maelstrom is agility and speed, but they have bigger signature so.. dps is an difference, hence lag or lag free enviroment..
Yeah, forgot they have the same alpha (I'm pretty tired), but calling that fleet a failure of the Hull rather than the doctrine is wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if the PL fleet was the defining factor in making that so lopsided. |
IIIIIAMGIIIII
Flying Bags Inc. Bulgarian Space Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:12:00 -
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RubyPorto i suggest u make a few missions with Tach`s then u make a few with t2Mega pulse.I use them bouth and i know better from you i think ..Mega pulse T2 is for missions for pvp i don`t know first thing which will be better :) with T2 Mega pulse i hit frigate from 75klm to 10klm. Cruisers BC Bs - from max lock to 0klm. With Tachy`s you can`t do that in a million years :) Tachy`s are snipers only -everything get closer than 30klm or something like that u hit always for 0 dmg even with 2 TC with 2 tracking scrypts :):) |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:13:00 -
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Fix My Lasers wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:both guristas and angel cartel got second weakest resist guess which one.. yes thermal
so chose the right crystals and lasers are not that bad.. Problem however is with tanking.. since ohnestly explo and kin dmg output are probably the worst case scenario for armor tanking ships.. exclude T2/T3
Anyway both amar and gallante got their "unique" roles. You want to make them minmatar AC/Artillery platform, so why even have amar and gallante then ? Guess you just don't know what are you talking about. Resists from worst to best: Angels: EXP, KIN, TH, EM Mulifreq. crystals have the highest TH damage and it is 40% of a total damage, other 60% is EM. All you have to do is math.
resist differs on elite variations of the faction... non elite, well nightmare can do quite good, sure its not an best option, but it works.
@ AMG thats impressive
with 800mm machariel with 3x rep. fleet TE and rig for tracking i wont hit anything smaller then battleship at 10km.. with perfect gunnery skills. |
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:16:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:both guristas and angel cartel got second weakest resist guess which one.. yes thermal
so chose the right crystals and lasers are not that bad.. Problem however is with tanking.. since ohnestly explo and kin dmg output are probably the worst case scenario for armor tanking ships.. exclude T2/T3
Anyway both amar and gallante got their "unique" roles. You want to make them minmatar AC/Artillery platform, so why even have amar and gallante then ? Guess you just don't know what are you talking about. Resists from worst to best: Angels: EXP, KIN, TH, EM Mulifreq. crystals have the highest TH damage and it is 40% of a total damage, other 60% is EM. All you have to do is math. Dont shoot angels with lasers. Easy. If you're doing missions, run them in Amarr missions. If you're looking for null to live in, crosstrain or live somewhere you can shoot sansha. You don't get to stay pure racial specced in nullsec.
Sure. But what about newbs that don't know that? Even with Amarr missions you get to kill Guristas and Angels. Actually a lot of Guristas. If you choose Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar you can do PvE without ship/race change. Their ships are good overall against every rat. My 1st race to choose was Amarr and no one told me that I have to cross-train. Some newbs told me Amarr is fine at PvE and they do everything great when I asked about race ships.
Bring back Blaze and Lux crystals! http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12812-Blaze-L-details.html http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12832-Lux-L-details.html |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
142
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:17:00 -
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IIIIIAMGIIIII wrote:RubyPorto i suggest u make a few missions with Tach`s then u make a few with t2Mega pulse.I use them bouth and i know better from you i think ..Mega pulse T2 is for missions for pvp i don`t know first thing which will be better :) with T2 Mega pulse i hit frigate from 75klm to 10klm. Cruisers BC Bs - from max lock to 0klm. With Tachy`s you can`t do that in a million years :) Tachy`s are snipers only -everything get closer than 30klm or something like that u hit always for 0 dmg even with 2 TC with 2 tracking scrypts :):)
Huh, looks like Pulse is recommended for l4s in a Navy Geddon. But all of those fits use cap boosters. So fit a cap booster and use that cargo hold. |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
121
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:20:00 -
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Fix My Lasers wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:both guristas and angel cartel got second weakest resist guess which one.. yes thermal
so chose the right crystals and lasers are not that bad.. Problem however is with tanking.. since ohnestly explo and kin dmg output are probably the worst case scenario for armor tanking ships.. exclude T2/T3
Anyway both amar and gallante got their "unique" roles. You want to make them minmatar AC/Artillery platform, so why even have amar and gallante then ? Guess you just don't know what are you talking about. Resists from worst to best: Angels: EXP, KIN, TH, EM Mulifreq. crystals have the highest TH damage and it is 40% of a total damage, other 60% is EM. All you have to do is math. Dont shoot angels with lasers. Easy. If you're doing missions, run them in Amarr missions. If you're looking for null to live in, crosstrain or live somewhere you can shoot sansha. You don't get to stay pure racial specced in nullsec. Sure. But what about newbs that don't know that? Even with Amarr missions you get to kill Guristas and Angels. Actually a lot of Guristas. If you choose Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar you can do PvE without ship/race change. Their ships are good overall against every rat. My 1st race to choose was Amarr and no one told me that I have to cross-train. Some newbs told me Amarr is fine at PvE and they do everything great when I asked about race ships.
until lvl IVs it doesnt really matter and at the time of lvl IVs and higher they already should have sufficient knowledge about such. And well As for Minmatar .. i was pure minmatar some year or so back, i trained caldari because drake is great, but its tied to kinetic dmg, same for tengu.. .
I just recently trained amarr ships and med laser specs, yet i never used them. But i used to fly with navy apoc in missions and the guy flying it was certein that his ship is superior to my tengu or machariel. And we flied in gallante/minmatar missions. So mostly serpentis/guristas/angel cartel. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
142
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:24:00 -
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Fix My Lasers wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:both guristas and angel cartel got second weakest resist guess which one.. yes thermal
so chose the right crystals and lasers are not that bad.. Problem however is with tanking.. since ohnestly explo and kin dmg output are probably the worst case scenario for armor tanking ships.. exclude T2/T3
Anyway both amar and gallante got their "unique" roles. You want to make them minmatar AC/Artillery platform, so why even have amar and gallante then ? Guess you just don't know what are you talking about. Resists from worst to best: Angels: EXP, KIN, TH, EM Mulifreq. crystals have the highest TH damage and it is 40% of a total damage, other 60% is EM. All you have to do is math. Dont shoot angels with lasers. Easy. If you're doing missions, run them in Amarr missions. If you're looking for null to live in, crosstrain or live somewhere you can shoot sansha. You don't get to stay pure racial specced in nullsec. Sure. But what about newbs that don't know that? Even with Amarr missions you get to kill Guristas and Angels. Actually a lot of Guristas. If you choose Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar you can do PvE without ship/race change. Their ships are good overall against every rat. My 1st race to choose was Amarr and no one told me that I have to cross-train. Some newbs told me Amarr is fine at PvE and they do everything great when I asked about race ships.
The Caldari pilots have to learn what missiles to shoot, and the Amarr pilots can kill them, just takes longer and they learn to decline those missions. Sorry, I really can't bring myself to be bothered when the Mach and Nightmare will each Demolish the missions the other one is even the slightest bit slow on. I get that it's skill intensive, but the nightmare doesn't need or want t2 Tachs. And it's still PvE. Eve has terrible PvE content. Always has. (Incursions help a teeny bit) |
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:43:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Fix My Lasers wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:both guristas and angel cartel got second weakest resist guess which one.. yes thermal
so chose the right crystals and lasers are not that bad.. Problem however is with tanking.. since ohnestly explo and kin dmg output are probably the worst case scenario for armor tanking ships.. exclude T2/T3
Anyway both amar and gallante got their "unique" roles. You want to make them minmatar AC/Artillery platform, so why even have amar and gallante then ? Guess you just don't know what are you talking about. Resists from worst to best: Angels: EXP, KIN, TH, EM Mulifreq. crystals have the highest TH damage and it is 40% of a total damage, other 60% is EM. All you have to do is math. Dont shoot angels with lasers. Easy. If you're doing missions, run them in Amarr missions. If you're looking for null to live in, crosstrain or live somewhere you can shoot sansha. You don't get to stay pure racial specced in nullsec. Sure. But what about newbs that don't know that? Even with Amarr missions you get to kill Guristas and Angels. Actually a lot of Guristas. If you choose Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar you can do PvE without ship/race change. Their ships are good overall against every rat. My 1st race to choose was Amarr and no one told me that I have to cross-train. Some newbs told me Amarr is fine at PvE and they do everything great when I asked about race ships. The Caldari pilots have to learn what missiles to shoot, and the Amarr pilots can kill them, just takes longer and they learn to decline those missions. Sorry, I really can't bring myself to be bothered when the Mach and Nightmare will each Demolish the missions the other one is even the slightest bit slow on. I get that it's skill intensive, but the nightmare doesn't need or want t2 Tachs. And it's still PvE. Eve has terrible PvE content. Always has. (Incursions help a teeny bit)
Angel extravaganza for example: With Mach it takes ~20 mins for me to complete it with standart ammo. With Nightmare it takes almost ~30 (28 to be accurate) mins with faction crystals.
When I had so-so skills, sometimes I couldn't break tank of some rats. At the same time I trained another char for Gallente. I was very surprised when my Domi could break that tank with lower skills.
As for PvE content - I see a lot of people doing missions. Bad or not it doesn't really matter, people do them and rarely see Nightmares or any other Amarr ships doing them.
P.S. As for caldari - it takes 5 mins to learn what to use. Bring back Blaze and Lux crystals! http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12812-Blaze-L-details.html http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12832-Lux-L-details.html |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2011.12.14 08:48:00 -
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@FixLaser
True. But its long history ... Caldari always were the best choice for any kind of PvE... And they gonna stay there. Its how the game works. Sure you can be dissapointed that your ship of choice cant hold the candle with other ships at specific situation but thats about it.
I trained drake because hurricane could not effectively do guristas sanctums. I didnt come here and asked to fix hurricane because its soooo bad in guristas sanctums. On the other hand hurricane is great for other type of encounters. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
142
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:00:00 -
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Fix My Lasers wrote: Angel extravaganza for example: With Mach it takes ~20 mins for me to complete it with standart ammo. With Nightmare it takes almost ~30 (28 to be accurate) mins with faction crystals.
When I had so-so skills, sometimes I couldn't break tank of some rats. At the same time I trained another char for Gallente. I was very surprised when my Domi could break that tank with lower skills.
As for PvE content - I see a lot of people doing missions. Bad or not it doesn't really matter, people do them and rarely see Nightmares or any other Amarr ships doing them.
P.S. As for caldari - it takes 5 mins to learn what to use.
In Angel space running missions you see nightmares. Nightmares ROCK in VG incursion blitz fleets. If I use the wrong ship for a job (shooting angel rats with lasers) that's my fault and I should learn better.
Great, using a round peg to go into a round hole is better than using a square peg in the same hole. WORKING AS INTENDED. If you don't want to crosstrain (something for which you are in no way penalized for), then accept the increased completion time, decline those missions, or do one of those and find an agent the doesn't give as many cross faction missions.
And Caldari will always win the low-mid skill PVE race. Mach is the best overall at high skill missions. If you're in a shiny l4 boat consider trying incursions. All the rats perfectly omnitank so damage type is a non-issue.
PS. IIRC Amarr are meant to have damage typing issues. The Abaddon does 900 dps with navy multi with 2 damage mods. An abaddon kitted out for damage is a beast. A Navy geddon properly fit is similar. Amarr get huge damage, limited type. Blasters get huge damage **** range, rails huge range mediocre damage, projectiles fit roughly in the middle everywhere. |
IIIIIAMGIIIII
Flying Bags Inc. Bulgarian Space Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:13:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:@FixLaser
True. But its long history ... Caldari always were the best choice for any kind of PvE... And they gonna stay there. Its how the game works. Sure you can be dissapointed that your ship of choice cant hold the candle with other ships at specific situation but thats about it.
I trained drake and obviously missiles too because hurricane could not effectively do guristas sanctums. I didnt come here and asked to fix hurricane because its soooo bad in guristas sanctums. On the other hand hurricane is great for other type of encounters.
Why peeps who hade a luck when they chose Caldari they should stay there ( pve kings ) ?
Is that what Eve is all about,Learn Caldari for PvE and Minmatar for PvP?
Isn`t long enough we have to wait so long to learn 1 faction proper?
Many peeps like to use `That`s how Eve Work` so i`m asking why it should stay that way ...you ppl don`t like balance in games ?
`Every faction have to be unique` - What happend with that?
Lets put Minmatar weapons on all ship how about that eh ?
I dont like Minmatar i don`t like Caldari i don`t like Gallente i`ll never learn those factions ....let me play with Amarr without hiting my head in the wall about it. That`s why i made this post lol.Looks like that ppl who made Eve don`t care about balance at all. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
144
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:23:00 -
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IIIIIAMGIIIII wrote: Why peeps who hade a luck when they chose Caldari they should stay there ( pve kings ) ?
Beats the pants off the Bloodlines expansion. Caldari Achura indeed &(*@ Broken stats.
Quote: Is that what Eve is all about,Learn Caldari for PvE and Minmatar for PvP?
Current End Game PvE ship is Mach for Missions, and Mach or Nightmare (maybe Paladin Bhaal) for Incursions
Minnie has some great options for PvP. Amarr has some Great options for PvP (I went over these at length earlier, read that)
Quote: Isn`t long enough we have to wait so long to learn 1 faction proper?
You're already flying turrets, the next turret races come pretty quick.
Quote: Many peeps like to use `That`s how Eve Work` so i`m asking why it should stay that way ...you ppl don`t like balance in games ?
`Every faction have to be unique` - What happend with that?
It's there. Uniqueness results in every faction having different strenghts and weaknesses. You're trying to use Amarr ships in their weakest fields. PEBUAK
Quote: Lets put Minmatar weapons on all ship how about that eh ?
I dont like Minmatar i don`t like Caldari i don`t like Gallente i`ll never learn those factions ....let me play with Amarr without hiting my head in the wall about it. This is what i make this post lol.Looks like that ppl who made Eve don`t care about balance at all.
Fly Amarr ships where they shine and you'll fall in love with them all over again. Fly them where they crumble and you'll go mental trying. I've been explaining that you don't want to but you seem to have decided that a dead Arty Abaddon fleet means Pulse Abaddons are bad in PvP
Round Peg > Round Hole Square Peg !> Round Hole
Figure out what shape your ship is and find the hole that fits that shape. |
Stonecold Steve
I N E X T R E M I S
11
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:41:00 -
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Amarr broken? wait..what?
We could use a little buff, which race doesnt? But we are not broken.
Use a apoc or abaddon for your highsec mission running or a zealot/legion for your null complexes. Fit up your specific hardeners and a repper and if you think you need it, a cap booster.
You got money to spend and complexes to down? Go skill up those shield skills (they are core skills dammit! train em!) and then do fly a nightmare, fit them with tachs and hell, the gates of heaven will open for you. Money never rolled faster for amarr pilots!
---> 75% skill/25% shiptype <--- GÇ£Quod licet Iovi non licet boviGÇ¥- Gods may do what cattle may not. "Amat victoria curam"- Victory favours those who take pains. |
IIIIIAMGIIIII
Flying Bags Inc. Bulgarian Space Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:46:00 -
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Yes bro i know that.But the thing youdon`t know is anything other than Caldari boat,Blood raiders,Sanshas,Dones we Amarians are made to die from or hitting it for years till he dies :) I m really mad when i made my char this virtual voice tells me :: Amarr ...the oldest from the 4 race:: I was like HELL YEAH , THIS IS WHAT I WANT. And a few monts later i was very disappointed of that i discover - 1 kind of dmg ...my weapon capdrain me like some neut fleet on my ass every single shot i make,unfair ship bonuses wich are almost useless and not enough boosted ( i mean the cap use for weapons this is not enough boosted )
Maybe i`m angry at me not of that ccp genius who make eve that way.Should,could,would make something else :( |
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:46:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Fly Amarr ships where they shine and you'll fall in love with them all over again. Fly them where they crumble and you'll go mental trying
Mmm, what if other races shine at every pve aspect while Amarr are so-so at everything? Things after last patch:
Caldari - very good at PvE, almost good at PvP except Cruise missile ships. It's still good because you can change Cruse missiles with Tops. Also Hybrid boats rock at PvP.
Gallente - good at PvE and now they are good at PvP with new changes.
Minmatar - very good at PvE and very good at PvP. In my opinion Minmatar isn't OP at all. They are just very versatile.
Amarr - so-so at PvE compared to others. So-so at PvP on most of the ships because you have to mount ACs. Only a few ships are actually good with their lasers.
It's clear Amarr is the worst race now, not matter how good is Abaddon with pulses. Abaddon is not all Amarr race. There are only 3 ships that worth flying in PvP: Abaddon with ACs, Zealot and Harbinger. Other ships are not viable, at least with mounted lasers. Bring back Blaze and Lux crystals! http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12812-Blaze-L-details.html http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12832-Lux-L-details.html |
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FlameGlow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:52:00 -
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Let me try that too It's clear Caldari is the worst race now, not matter how good is Drake with heavies. Drake is not all Caldari race. There are only 3 ships that worth flying in PvP: Drake, Tengu and Scorpion. Other ships are not viable.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:53:00 -
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Absolution is not bad either
lets have a look at Minmatar
Sleipnir/cyclone, Hurricane, tempest, maelstrom, rupture, fleet stabber, vagabond, rifter
Well typhoon is interesting but skill point extensive
Ammar
Absolution, Harbinger, Abaddon, Apoc, navy omen, zealot, cant fing of any frig but sure there is some.
Caldari drake, tengu, scorpion thats about covers it
Gallante thorax, megathrone, hyperion, dominix, brutix, myrmidon, ishtar
Altho drones makes the great part of some of their ships.
Flying most of the minmatar ships effectively means you really know what you do, you screw up in double click you get in wrong range you are toast.
Hit n Run
Not talking about EW cause all races EW ships are not that bad if used properly. |
IIIIIAMGIIIII
Flying Bags Inc. Bulgarian Space Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:55:00 -
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If they make u shoot with capacitor use and with 2 kinds of dmg YES you are allowed to say that.Till then you are not :)
Btw if u want ot shot longer than 10-20 klm u have to use only Em dmg -Scorch .I want to see Caldari in this place...then complain. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2011.12.14 09:58:00 -
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IIIIIAMGIIIII wrote:If they make u shoot with capacitor use and with 2 kinds of dmg YES you are allowed to say that.Till then you are not :)
Btw if u want ot shot longer than 10-20 klm u have to use only Em dmg -Scorch .I want to see Caldari in this place...then complain.
Why ? If i have a chance to not use cargo full of ammo instead just few crystals, i sure as hell would fit cap booster and fill the cargo with cap charges xD |
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:00:00 -
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FlameGlow wrote:Let me try that too It's clear Caldari is the worst race now, not matter how good is Drake with heavies. Drake is not all Caldari race. There are only 3 ships that worth flying in PvP: Drake, Tengu and Scorpion. Other ships are not viable.
My old corp members fly a lot on Rokh, Naga, Onyx, Manticore and Cerberus. They are all viable. I still have Cerberus, Onyx and Rokh fitted at null.
Are you the one who whined that Naga should be a Torp boat? I'm sorry if not. Bring back Blaze and Lux crystals! http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12812-Blaze-L-details.html http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12832-Lux-L-details.html |
IIIIIAMGIIIII
Flying Bags Inc. Bulgarian Space Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:00:00 -
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Dude i`ll be glad to use 100% cargo with crystals only if i can hit with 4 kinds dmg. I`ll take that option any day :):):) |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:04:00 -
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IIIIIAMGIIIII wrote:Dude i`ll be glad to use 100% cargo with crystals only if i can hit with 4 kinds dmg. I`ll take that option any day :):):)
well .. sure but lets see what i use
missions against caldari, guristas, serpentis
I use my HAM tengu with terror assault missiles
mission against amar, sansha, angel cartel
i use machariel, buzz kill i use loki, soon i will leave machariel just against angel cartel need to train large laser specs And then i would use Nightmare and legion
Why stay in one ship, when you got option to be in every. |
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
35
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:05:00 -
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I personally find my gallente carrier far better than the minmatar carrier... Also I would never trade my ishtar for any caldari or minmatar hac.
And I love getting up close and personal with my 5km optimal on blasters.
Gallente are fine with the rail&blaster buff. We do only two kinds of damage but noone care prepare for the possibile situation that he'll only encounter amarr or that they'll only encounter gallente, so they can't really tank only EM&therm or therm&kin. People omni-tank in pvp making our vessels in par with others.
For pve my hybrids suck a bit, true... But for pvp they are equal opponents. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |
IIIIIAMGIIIII
Flying Bags Inc. Bulgarian Space Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:10:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:IIIIIAMGIIIII wrote:Dude i`ll be glad to use 100% cargo with crystals only if i can hit with 4 kinds dmg. I`ll take that option any day :):):) well .. sure but lets see what i use missions against caldari, guristas, serpentis I use my HAM tengu with terror assault missiles mission against amar, sansha, angel cartel i use machariel, buzz kill i use loki, soon i will leave machariel just against angel cartel need to train large laser specs And then i would use Nightmare and legion Why stay in one ship, when you got option to be in every. Isnt it nice when you can have more ships and game gives you reason to train for them.
Maybe because i don`t have you`re skill points,i play eve for almost 9 monts,and i want this game to be developed not stucked in 1 place where old players with tons and tons of SP to be happy playing it :)
I`m not old player but still i want to play and joy eve like others.Its not that much to ask don`t you think :):):)
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Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.14 10:10:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Absolution is not bad either
lets have a look at Minmatar
Sleipnir/cyclone, Hurricane, tempest, maelstrom, rupture, fleet stabber, vagabond, rifter
Well typhoon is interesting but skill point extensive
Ammar
Absolution, Harbinger, Abaddon, Apoc, navy omen, zealot, cant fing of any frig but sure there is some.
Caldari drake, tengu, scorpion thats about covers it
Gallante thorax, megathrone, hyperion, dominix, brutix, myrmidon, ishtar
Altho drones makes the great part of some of their ships.
Flying most of the minmatar ships effectively means you really know what you do, you screw up in double click you get in wrong range you are toast.
Hit n Run
Not talking about EW cause all races EW ships are not that bad if used properly.
Guess you never was at null/low, just like you don't know resists on rats.
Minmatar: every BS is used in pvp. Every bc is used in pvp. Every HAC is used in pvp. And so on.
You missed a lot of other minnie ships and added a lot of useless to Amarr.
Not flaming you or trolling, but please, fly more in null solo/small fleet and alliance wars. I did all of them and know for sure what is used and what is not. Why didn't you mention that Amarr ships usually used with ACs? Do you really fly in null or do any kind of pvp at all? Bring back Blaze and Lux crystals! http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12812-Blaze-L-details.html http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12832-Lux-L-details.html |
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