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Globby
Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling CODE.
185
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Posted - 2015.08.11 14:26:50 -
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god forbid mission runners and highsec pvers have to actually interact with other players in an mmo |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
1325
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Posted - 2015.08.11 14:33:36 -
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Lan Wang wrote:yeah and npc corps are another thing which need fixed, they are anti-social
Try to touch them and a swarm of space hermits comes out of the woodwork claiming they are perfect the way they are and demanding that they should never be forced to interact with other players.
We always will need an NPC corp for the risk-averse, soloists, and people between corps, but perhaps new players could be better directed to player corps or special NPC training corps to help get them integrated into the game more efficiently.
Being in a player corp signals you are trying to compete though. You are stating to New Eden that you are open for wardecs in exchange for planting your flag and the other benefits of being in a player corp. You always have the freedom to forgo those benefits and stay in, or return to the NPC corp.
That is just how the game has been designed. Risk vs. reward. |
Revis Owen
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
250
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Posted - 2015.08.11 14:53:20 -
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Everyone has equal opportunity to access and use all the tools available in-game.
Why do the carebears ignore that wealth of opportunity and instead cry for CCP to make a theme-park just for them?
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2984
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Posted - 2015.08.11 14:55:17 -
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Lan Wang wrote:what i mean is wardeccing a corp and forcing them to stay in a station because thats all they feel they can do is not really player freedom, wardecs are removing freedom from a player to benefit another player. sorta thing
A war declaration has exactly zero effect on the ability of players to do anything. You can still mine, run missions and incursions and transport goods in exactly the same way as you could while not at war. If players feel that because they are at war they can't undock that restriction is entirely self imposed and as such they can free themselves of it at any time if they so desire.
The actual danger faced by people at war is incredibly variable based on who they are a war with, their proximity to that group and other variables, but essentially it just amounts to an increase in risk that needs to be accounted for and mitigated where possible.
In situations where players will do nothing but sit docked while at war what is really happening is the player is placing the value of their virtual property above the value of their gameplay: "it's better to not play at all than it is to lose a ship" or corp/alliance leadership making similar decision on the behalf of its members.
It's neither the war itself nor the aggressors who are responsible for them remaining docked, they have no control overy that. In fact they'd prefer a continuation of activity, generally speaking. It is all a matter of the attitude of the defenders and their willingness to respond to emergent situations in a way that provides them with gameplay.
Is there a solution to that? I don't really know if it's actually a problem or even care for that matter. People are welcome to destroy their own game experience by sitting docked in a station for weeks at a time if they want, alternatively they can go join a different corp. |
Mobadder Thworst
Noob Farmers
587
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Posted - 2015.08.11 15:15:22 -
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I find it remarkable that a corp thief has an argument against griefing.
Honestly, I'll steal jet cans, bump your ship, loot your missions, and smack you in local. I always keep it polite but my objective is always to pick a fight... Sometimes someone gets mad.
That's pretty much how fights get picked.
You, however, use a much more insidious method: lying to people while developing relationships with them and then stealing the output of months of their time.
I find your playstyle distasteful because you value isk (which isn't an especially meaningful substance) over relationships.
I'm glad you are in the game because you are a threat to be considered, however I think you make every crime i've ever committed, ever war I've waged, and every noob I've blasted seem like a collection of kindnesses.
When I get done killing someone's ship, he always knows that I picked a fight, he accepted a risk, and his decisions resulted in a degree of loss. We all know the first rule of Eve.
When you get done they feel betrayal, insecurity with the social framework of eve, and quite frequently as though they're "starting over".
For you to judge the traditional griefer for picking fights and hunting targets is the equivalent of Bernie Madoff judging a child for shoplifting.
I think you're probably just the kind of person who doesn't value relationships, isn't sharp enough to master game mechanics, and lies to himself an awful lot.
I am imagining that, no matter how hot you are, you don't make friends very well.
I find your judgement of griefers meaningless and difficult to understand. You make us look like public servants. |
Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
543
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Posted - 2015.08.11 15:16:01 -
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Globby wrote:god forbid mission runners and highsec pvers have to actually interact with other players in an mmo
Agreed. It's like going to a bar on a Saturday night and bitching all evening aboout everyone drinking and the place being too crowded. |
Globby
Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling CODE.
186
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Posted - 2015.08.11 15:38:33 -
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you should be able to declare war on individuals at the same rate as a corporation |
Mag's
the united
20031
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Posted - 2015.08.11 15:45:37 -
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OP is very angry and seems to be venting a lot.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1632
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Posted - 2015.08.11 15:58:36 -
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Kooshti wrote:why is this guy mad? was he violated in space? We made unwanted physical contact in his special place
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
[s]ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD[/s]
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Mag's
the united
20032
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Posted - 2015.08.11 16:02:31 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Kooshti wrote:why is this guy mad? was he violated in space? We made unwanted physical contact in his special place That and the fact that he used to be a really good looking guy IRL, but now not so much and he is old with moobs.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1633
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Posted - 2015.08.11 16:08:08 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Robert De Lyse wrote: What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP?
It's called player freedom, look it up some time. its really one sided player freedom, just sayin is all Not at all, they have the freedom to avoid it if they so choose. They do not have any right to demand that it cease, in any way. If they want that, they can go play Star Trek Online with the rest of the cowards. I sit on the fence with both sides of this sort of thing, while you are having freedom to do what you want you are restricting the freedom of other to play your own game. yeah they can avoid it ofcourse but having to avoid something is not freedom to go where you want, but i only really look at this from wardec mechanics where they force people, and forcing something on someone is not freedom. but the rules allow it so why even bother arguing about it What is this fascination with freedom. Sandbox is not Do what ever you want your free You are entitled to your style of fun You can build how you like where you like
Sandbox is Here is the sand. Here is the boundary of the world. Go play. Other kids are picking on me and stomping my sandcastle. Groups building the same goal build bigger and better castles Groups ganging up on others for their decorative things have the best castles
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
[s]ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD[/s]
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Mag's
the united
20034
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Posted - 2015.08.11 16:12:19 -
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^^ What Noragen Neirfallas said.
Freedom is a two way street and sometimes the other players freedom, will impact on yours. It's up to you, how you lessen that impact.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1633
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Posted - 2015.08.11 16:13:45 -
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Mobadder Thworst wrote:I find it remarkable that a corp thief has an argument against griefing.
Honestly, I'll steal jet cans, bump your ship, loot your missions, and smack you in local. I always keep it polite but my objective is always to pick a fight... Sometimes someone gets mad.
That's pretty much how fights get picked.
You, however, use a much more insidious method: lying to people while developing relationships with them and then stealing the output of months of their time.
I find your playstyle distasteful because you value isk (which isn't an especially meaningful substance) over relationships.
I'm glad you are in the game because you are a threat to be considered, however I think you make every crime i've ever committed, ever war I've waged, and every noob I've blasted seem like a collection of kindnesses.
When I get done killing someone's ship, he always knows that I picked a fight, he accepted a risk, and his decisions resulted in a degree of loss. We all know the first rule of Eve.
When you get done they feel betrayal, insecurity with the social framework of eve, and quite frequently as though they're "starting over".
For you to judge the traditional griefer for picking fights and hunting targets is the equivalent of Bernie Madoff judging a child for shoplifting.
I think you're probably just the kind of person who doesn't value relationships, isn't sharp enough to master game mechanics, and lies to himself an awful lot.
I am imagining that, no matter how hot you are, you don't make friends very well.
I find your judgement of griefers meaningless and difficult to understand. You make us look like public servants. Hold up mo. He isn't a corp thief yet. At a whopping 7 days old with no corp history I demand to know how he stole from an NPC corp...
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2999
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Posted - 2015.08.11 16:17:50 -
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Robert De Lyse wrote:What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP?
Guns. Lots and lots of guns, plus the willingness to use them. I should probably point out that nullsec and wormhole space work exactly the same way - welcome to Eve.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
545
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Posted - 2015.08.11 16:24:09 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Other kids are picking on me and stomping my sandcastle.
Have you tried peeing in your own moat? It's funny to stand back and watch the kids that come to the beach after you stamping around in it.
Also I can heartily recommend licking all the apples before you put them in the fruit bowl.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2021
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Posted - 2015.08.11 17:15:53 -
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Mortlake wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Other kids are picking on me and stomping my sandcastle.
Have you tried peeing in your own moat? It's funny to stand back and watch the kids that come to the beach after you stamping around in it. If I get arrested after trying that at the beach, I am calling you for bail.
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
Inaugural C&P Thunderdome Champion
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14072
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Posted - 2015.08.11 17:22:17 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Mortlake wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Other kids are picking on me and stomping my sandcastle.
Have you tried peeing in your own moat? It's funny to stand back and watch the kids that come to the beach after you stamping around in it. If I get arrested after trying that at the beach, I am calling you for bail.
"Officer, someone in a videogame told me to do it!"
And then they look up EVE Online, and you're in real trouble.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Cobbler Khan
Shades of Chaos Gatekeepers Universe
66
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Posted - 2015.08.11 17:37:03 -
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I dont know why everyone is giving you a hard time, i 100% agree with this post
There are a ton of things to do in eve. Industry, mining, pve, pve, salvaging, exploration. Eve isnt ONLY a pvp game. How do you get ships and modules? How do you make isk? How do you get components to build stuff?
Just because a majority of players like to do pvp, doesnt make eve a "pvp only game you have to pvp or else" sure its the most popular thing to do, but there are other things to do in eve |
Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
279
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Posted - 2015.08.11 17:41:11 -
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Cobbler Khan wrote:I dont know why everyone is giving you a hard time, i 100% agree with this post
There are a ton of things to do in eve. Industry, mining, pve, pve, salvaging, exploration. Eve isnt ONLY a pvp game. How do you get ships and modules? How do you make isk? How do you get components to build stuff?
Just because a majority of players like to do pvp, doesnt make eve a "pvp only game you have to pvp or else" sure its the most popular thing to do, but there are other things to do in eve
It isn't PVP only. But everything in Eve is either teaching you combat mechanics, ie missions, or exists to supply PVP losses.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
3002
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Posted - 2015.08.11 17:41:20 -
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Cobbler Khan wrote:There are a ton of things to do in eve. Industry, mining, pve, pve, salvaging, exploration. Eve isnt ONLY a pvp game. How do you get ships and modules? How do you make isk? How do you get components to build stuff?
All the things you mentioned are PvP in this game.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
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Mobadder Thworst
Noob Farmers
590
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Posted - 2015.08.11 17:49:58 -
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admiral root wrote:Cobbler Khan wrote:There are a ton of things to do in eve. Industry, mining, pve, pve, salvaging, exploration. Eve isnt ONLY a pvp game. How do you get ships and modules? How do you make isk? How do you get components to build stuff? All the things you mentioned are PvP in this game.
It's not really about PVE or pvp.
Eve, at its heart, is a full ecosystem.
Read what happens in an ecosystem if you have no more predators... Or if you have no more herbivores...
The ecosystem needs both to survive.
It is probably the closest a game has ever come to that...
I'm sure there are gazelles in Africa who would love to "opt out" of interactions with lions... But the long term result of that is bad for the ecosystem.
Lions need the ability to hunt. Gazelles need the ability to mine and build stuff. Neither can really exist without the other.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14074
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Posted - 2015.08.11 17:56:11 -
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Cobbler Khan wrote:I dont know why everyone is giving you a hard time, i 100% agree with this post
There are a ton of things to do in eve. Industry, mining, pve, pve, salvaging, exploration. Eve isnt ONLY a pvp game. How do you get ships and modules? How do you make isk? How do you get components to build stuff?
Just because a majority of players like to do pvp, doesnt make eve a "pvp only game you have to pvp or else" sure its the most popular thing to do, but there are other things to do in eve
Literally all of those either are competitive themselves, or exist to facilitate and supply PvP interactions, or both.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2024
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Posted - 2015.08.11 17:59:16 -
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admiral root wrote:Cobbler Khan wrote:There are a ton of things to do in eve. Industry, mining, pve, pve, salvaging, exploration. Eve isnt ONLY a pvp game. How do you get ships and modules? How do you make isk? How do you get components to build stuff? All the things you mentioned are PvP in this game. One hundred, thousand, million percent this. Everything in EvE is a PvP activity.
Running a mission? PvP. You've just injected ISK and LP into the game, impacting the market. Industry? PvP. You've just injected goods into the market, impacting prices. Mining? PvP. You're competing for limited resources. Salvaging? PvP. Anyone can salvage a wreck, you have to do it first. Exploration? PvP. Anyone can find a site and clear it, you have to do it first.
Sometimes the most devastating PvP in the game doesn't involve shooting anyone....
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
Inaugural C&P Thunderdome Champion
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2024
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Posted - 2015.08.11 18:01:54 -
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Also, and I'm amazed that nobody has brought this up yet, are we denizens of C&P so loud in bed that folks are really asking us to stop moaning?
Damn, we must be doing something right....
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
Inaugural C&P Thunderdome Champion
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Tengu Grib
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
1306
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Posted - 2015.08.11 18:28:37 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Also, and I'm amazed that nobody has brought this up yet, are we denizens of C&P so loud in bed that folks are really asking us to stop moaning?
Damn, we must be doing something right....
It was actually my first thought.
If there's moaning there's fun being had. Fun is good, therefore moaning is good.
Now rage crying, like the OP is doing, isn't good. That usually means someone has horribly misunderstood something that happened to them. Which as was mentioned, is truly astounding coming from someone who claims to be a corp thief. I say claims because he's too chicken to post on his main.
Special thanks to Carlvagio for being a cool bro and financing fun activities.
StonerPhReak> Being an adult sucks.
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Major Goob
Light Adama
13
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Posted - 2015.08.11 18:36:03 -
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Post on your main or GTFO. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2993
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Posted - 2015.08.11 18:39:23 -
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To be honest so long as I'm getting mine I'm not super concerned about whether the other person is moaning or crying or whatever else. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14083
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Posted - 2015.08.11 18:40:03 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:To be honest so long as I'm getting mine I'm not super concerned about whether the other person is moaning or crying or whatever else.
At least you're honest about it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8242
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Posted - 2015.08.11 18:59:35 -
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Quote:Okay sure, sandbox and all that, BUT
does not compute with
Quote:What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP?
As an aside, you do realise that even the most mundane of activities in this game are Player versus Player? You're a miner, eh - you've got to compete against other deadheads to sell your little rocks. Oh, sorry, you're a mission running drone - where do you think all of that loot goes, either immediately or somewhere down the line (in terms of either tags and LP store items, or reprocessed mods)? That's right...another player on the other side of the internet interacts with you in some way to move the transaction forward.
I really think that this game might not be for you if you can't grasp this fundamental concept. Might I be having your stuffz when you check out of EVE?
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Tupac ice
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.08.11 19:24:16 -
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I hear something about free stuff.....
We need good and bad in this game...its pretty simple, and the crazy thing is you can be both, or neither.
Freedom in Gotham doesn't mean you can walk down every alley way.... You're going to get mugged. And batman can't be every where... What you need to do, to have the freedom to walk into that alley way is go grab yourself a bat... And off you go... Or send some one in before you... Or go when it's day time... Stop walking into the alley way, when you know it is unsafe, unprotected, by yourself.
Batman really is just a dude with way to much pay to play going on....
Free stuff please. K thanks bye.
Who the hell is this Tupac guy.... And what would he know?
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