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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2015.08.11 19:37:47 -
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Generally speaking the rights that you have in eve are determined by your ability to apply and survive large quantities of projectile impacts, high energy coherent light and ionizing particle radiation. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation
1901
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Posted - 2015.08.11 20:12:57 -
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*sigh* I just want easy market access next to my pvp. Why should I have to go 20 jumps to null when I can get a duel in system or go five for freighter ganking?
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Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
281
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Posted - 2015.08.11 20:30:14 -
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
552
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Posted - 2015.08.11 20:35:51 -
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I'm old enough to have experienced lead based paint and additive riddled chocolate cigarettes, and consumed a fair quantity of both.
Blaming me for my actions is like slapping a quadriplegic kitten for peeing on the rug.
The OP is a hate enabler and nothing more. I'm the victim here. |
Morgan Agrivar
Yamaguchi Holding LLC Dread Pirate Syndicate
53
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Posted - 2015.08.11 20:39:03 -
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If you don't like it, grow a pair and fight back. Every ship I fly, even doing PvE, has a scram on it.
Adapt or die. That is Eve.
"Out of all the people who have tried to kill me, you are my favorite."
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2036
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Posted - 2015.08.11 20:39:09 -
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Mortlake wrote:I'm old enough to have experienced lead based paint and additive riddled chocolate cigarettes, and consumed a fair quantity of both.
Blaming me for my actions is like slapping a quadriplegic kitten for peeing on the rug.
The OP is a hate enabler and nothing more. I'm the victim here. Well done sir, I nearly felt sorry for you there for a moment.
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Zimmy Zeta
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
59236
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Posted - 2015.08.11 21:20:16 -
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I have a theory: Robert de Lyse works for the Great Lakes Popcorn Company (Port Clinton/ OH) IRL and keeps making these threads to boost global popcorn consumption.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Bellatrix Invicta
The Conference Elite CODE.
172
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Posted - 2015.08.11 23:11:28 -
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Robert De Lyse wrote:What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? To FORCE them to play how you want to play? To FORCE them to change there mission/industrial/exploration play styles to PVP against you?
What gives you the RIGHT to FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME how you want to? You don't want to be FORCED into low/null/wh's.
My Light Neutron Blaster IIs and Void S give me that right. You have the right to try and stop me. I'd really appreciate it if you guys would actually try that before crying and whining. Stand up for yourselves, eh?
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6515
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Posted - 2015.08.12 00:07:04 -
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Robert De Lyse wrote:What gives you the RIGHT to force the empire population of EvE to PvP? To FORCE them to play how you want to play? To FORCE them to change there mission/industrial/exploration play styles to PVP against you?
What gives you the RIGHT to FORCE PLAYERS TO PLAY THE GAME how you want to? You don't want to be FORCED into low/null/wh's.
EVE at its core is a pvp game, so it's a bit much to say we're forcing you to change how you play since it's up to you whether you choose to adapt to varying play styles or not. On the flipside the pve crowd demand game mechanic changes to change how we play the game.
Who is forcing who?
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2435
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Posted - 2015.08.12 03:21:44 -
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Cobbler Khan wrote:I dont know why everyone is giving you a hard time, i 100% agree with this post
There are a ton of things to do in eve. Industry, mining, pve, pve, salvaging, exploration. Eve isnt ONLY a pvp game. How do you get ships and modules? How do you make isk? How do you get components to build stuff?
Just because a majority of players like to do pvp, doesnt make eve a "pvp only game you have to pvp or else" sure its the most popular thing to do, but there are other things to do in eve
Uh, I steal things from other players, shoot their ships and melt down substandard components from them. I then mix in the refined bits with copious amounts of my special sauce (pod goo and tears) to make more modules and ships. Sometimes I even sell these things... but usually I sell the non-substandard (ie, shiny) modules to make ISK.
So long as mission npcs and rats keep dropping stuff there's a steady supply of junk just waiting to be repurposed out there. Likewise, so long as mission runners keep doing silly things there's also a steady supply of shiny modules just waiting to be plundered out there as well.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
184
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Posted - 2015.08.12 05:21:18 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Lan Wang wrote:what i mean is wardeccing a corp and forcing them to stay in a station because thats all they feel they can do is not really player freedom, wardecs are removing freedom from a player to benefit another player. sorta thing A war declaration has exactly zero effect on the ability of players to do anything. You can still mine, run missions and incursions and transport goods in exactly the same way as you could while not at war. If players feel that because they are at war they can't undock that restriction is entirely self imposed and as such they can free themselves of it at any time if they so desire. The actual danger faced by people at war is incredibly variable based on who they are a war with, their proximity to that group and other variables, but essentially it just amounts to an increase in risk that needs to be accounted for and mitigated where possible. In situations where players will do nothing but sit docked while at war what is really happening is the player is placing the value of their virtual property above the value of their gameplay: "it's better to not play at all than it is to lose a ship" or corp/alliance leadership making similar decision on the behalf of its members. It's neither the war itself nor the aggressors who are responsible for them remaining docked, they have no control over that. In fact they'd prefer a continuation of activity, generally speaking. It is all a matter of the attitude of the defenders and their willingness to respond to emergent situations in a way that provides them with gameplay. Is there a solution to that? I don't really know if it's actually a problem or even care for that matter. People are welcome to destroy their own game experience by sitting docked in a station for weeks at a time if they want, alternatively they can go join a different corp.
You can't argue the current situation is great though surely? I mean if you wanted to violence one of my boats you would have to suicide gank it and concord is a terrible mechanic. If you war decced me, my available reasonable options become dont undock on this character until you stop wasting isk on the war dec or drop corp and make a new one. If you war decc the new one, just go live in an npc corp for a bit. Thats TERRIBLE game play for both of us. What isn't a reasonable option for me, in fact its verging on moronic, is to undock in a venture, a badger or a missioning rattlesnake under your war dec. That would be stupid, I would deserve to be killed and expect to be mocked for it. Nor would it be reasonable for me to undock in a pvp fit cruiser and come look for you. You would annihilate me with your off grid boosters, neutral logi alts and bat phoned allies.
The current state of play is that the high sec pvp community has such an apparantly high bar of entry , which the odds stacked so high against the pvers, that those who want a mixed game of pve/pvp are better served dodging war decs and just going to low sec for fun and pew pew. Wouldn't it be so much better if we got rid of concord, war decs and armed pve ships to not be flying coffins if pvped? This is a pvp game right? so why not make ALL ships pvp wether for fight or for flight?
Will gank for food
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takedoom
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
76
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Posted - 2015.08.12 05:38:14 -
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The one thing I noticed with greifers: if you grief them they whine 2x as much as a care bear and its hilarious.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1653
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Posted - 2015.08.12 06:09:42 -
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takedoom wrote:The one thing I noticed with greifers: if you grief them they whine 2x as much as a care bear and its hilarious. I remember a fair amount of bitching in a certain channel about a certain eviction people experienced. You may be onto something here
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Mag's
the united
20047
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Posted - 2015.08.12 06:13:03 -
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takedoom wrote:The one thing I noticed with greifers: if you grief them they whine 2x as much as a care bear and its hilarious. Putting that thought aside, what do you consider griefing?
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
574
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Posted - 2015.08.12 06:38:17 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The better player wins in a contest of opposite intents.
That made me chuckle.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2015.08.12 06:40:40 -
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takedoom wrote:The one thing I noticed with greifers: if you grief them they whine 2x as much as a care bear and its hilarious.
The one thing I notice is people use the words griefer, griefers and griefing far to often, when no griefing has even occurred. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
574
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Posted - 2015.08.12 06:44:02 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Generally speaking the rights that you have in eve are determined by your ability to apply and survive large quantities of projectile impacts, high energy coherent light and ionizing particle radiation.
Aren't you forgetting something?
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
559
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Posted - 2015.08.12 06:48:38 -
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From now on, you will refer to me as 'Apache'. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24622
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Posted - 2015.08.12 07:35:58 -
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Mortlake wrote:From now on, you will refer to me as ' Apache'. I lost it completely at "dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners"
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Robert De Lyse
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2015.08.12 08:52:50 -
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wow 4 pages of hostile responses from griefers
What a surprise. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14093
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Posted - 2015.08.12 08:56:34 -
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Robert De Lyse wrote:wow 4 pages of hostile responses from griefers
What a surprise.
I don't see any griefers. Griefing is something strictly defined as being against the rules by CCP, and is not in evidence here.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2441
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Posted - 2015.08.12 09:06:00 -
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We're bored and kinda stopped taking you seriously a while ago. So now we amuse ourselves due to you being unable to do the job. Also, no griefers in EVE, they're all playing on Minecraft public servers.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14093
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Posted - 2015.08.12 09:08:51 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:We're bored and kinda stopped taking you seriously a while ago. So now we amuse ourselves due to you being unable to do the job. Also, no griefers in EVE, they're all playing on Minecraft public servers.
Can confirm, some little toad built a 200 block high wiener on my server last month, and somehow made it shoot sheep or cats or something out of the top constantly. I wish I was kidding.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
24629
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Posted - 2015.08.12 09:08:54 -
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Robert De Lyse wrote:wow 4 pages of hostile responses from griefers
What a surprise. You call people cowards, hypocrites and, in another thread, a bunch of see you next tuesdays, why are you surprised at their hostile responses?
I guarantee you that if you did the same in real life you'd probably be sat in the A&E department of your local hospital counting how many teeth you've got left.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3009
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Posted - 2015.08.12 11:51:59 -
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Tarojan wrote: The current state of play is that the high sec pvp community has such an apparantly high bar of entry , which the odds stacked so high against the pvers, that those who want a mixed game of pve/pvp are better served dodging war decs and just going to low sec for fun and pew pew. Wouldn't it be so much better if we got rid of concord, war decs and armed pve ships to not be flying coffins if pvped? This is a pvp game right? so why not make ALL ships pvp wether for fight or for flight?
This happened when they changed wars to have a 2500% higher base cost and added the ally system that unilaterally benefits the defender.
The higher pay barrier caused low skill or low income aggressors to join larger groups to spread the costs around. The ally system made being the aggressor so much more potentially dangerous that it became virtual suicide for anyone but a dedicated pvp group to declare war at all.
It's a situation wrought out of a misguided attempt to nerf highsec aggression. Instead of achieving it's actual goal it just put highsec PVP groups in a position where they have an absolute monopoly on combat in highsec.
I don't expect it to be fixed, ever. I expect any future changes to exclusively involve more nerfs of a similar nature and for the situation to just become more extreme. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2039
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Posted - 2015.08.12 16:15:58 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Avvy wrote:Lan Wang wrote:what i mean is wardeccing a corp and forcing them to stay in a station because thats all they feel they can do is not really player freedom, wardecs are removing freedom from a player to benefit another player. sorta thing Which is why a lot probably stay in NPC corps. If it wasn't for players choosing to suicide NPC corp. players they would be free from all combat PvP. I don't see the issue being the players so much but the way high-sec is set up, one of the reasons I don't intend to stay in high-sec. High-sec is kind of an odd place for a PvP game, but I guess it depends what CCP is really trying to do with it. Of which that I don't know. yeah and npc corps are another thing which need fixed, they are anti-social You know what else needs to be fixed? The fact that you haven't fought Leto in Thunderdome yet. Get on it Lan, we're tired of waiting!
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Robert De Lyse
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2015.08.12 17:26:34 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Robert De Lyse wrote:wow 4 pages of hostile responses from griefers
What a surprise. I don't see any griefers. Griefing is something strictly defined as being against the rules by CCP, and is not in evidence here.
LOL - CCP wouldn't know what griefing meant if it:
Travelled to Iceland Stripped Naked Smack every CCP person in the face Skull fecked them Raped them Pissed on them
They still wouldnt have a clue, u do realise that EvE is refered to as GRIEF CENTRAL by every other MMO and 99% of gaming websites hold this game in contempt? |
Robert De Lyse
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2015.08.12 17:32:10 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Tarojan wrote: The current state of play is that the high sec pvp community has such an apparantly high bar of entry , which the odds stacked so high against the pvers, that those who want a mixed game of pve/pvp are better served dodging war decs and just going to low sec for fun and pew pew. Wouldn't it be so much better if we got rid of concord, war decs and armed pve ships to not be flying coffins if pvped? This is a pvp game right? so why not make ALL ships pvp wether for fight or for flight?
This happened when they changed wars to have a 2500% higher base cost and added the ally system that unilaterally benefits the defender. The higher pay barrier caused low skill or low income aggressors to join larger groups to spread the costs around. The ally system made being the aggressor so much more potentially dangerous that it became virtual suicide for anyone but a dedicated pvp group to declare war at all. It's a situation wrought out of a misguided attempt to nerf highsec aggression. Instead of achieving it's actual goal it just put highsec PVP groups in a position where they have an absolute monopoly on combat in highsec. I don't expect it to be fixed, ever. I expect any future changes to exclusively involve more nerfs of a similar nature and for the situation to just become more extreme. Also your best option if you're at war with BAW is to try and kill N1ghtw1ng, he's always suspect flagged, often not on comms and has no links or reps, he's also someone's son and gets yelled at irl if he dies. Alternatively put up a POCO somewhere and Shadowgirl9 will attempt to reinforce it solo in a faction battelship in the EU timezone while the rest of the alliance is sleeping. I also flyy Barghest around unscouted pretty often. There's lots of reasonable options of things to do other than running and hiding for people who are inclined to actually try. But trying is hard and calling a situation impossible and giving up is easy.
Sorry but that's bull, you NEVER fly un scouted and have been known to order alliance members to step away so u can get solo kills.
You are jsut like Tora, a liar and a scumbag, period |
Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
283
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Posted - 2015.08.12 17:33:13 -
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Robert De Lyse wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Robert De Lyse wrote:wow 4 pages of hostile responses from griefers
What a surprise. I don't see any griefers. Griefing is something strictly defined as being against the rules by CCP, and is not in evidence here. LOL - CCP wouldn't know what griefing meant if it: Travelled to Iceland Stripped Naked Smack every CCP person in the face Skull fecked them Raped them Pissed on them They still wouldnt have a clue, u do realise that EvE is refered to as GRIEF CENTRAL by every other MMO and 99% of gaming websites hold this game in contempt?
Why would we give two hoots about what some 12 year old WoW Sweatlord thinks of EvE? |
Noragen Neirfallas
Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective
1660
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Posted - 2015.08.12 17:53:56 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:We're bored and kinda stopped taking you seriously a while ago. So now we amuse ourselves due to you being unable to do the job. Also, no griefers in EVE, they're all playing on Minecraft public servers. Can confirm, some little toad built a 200 block high wiener on my server last month, and somehow made it shoot sheep or cats or something out of the top constantly. I wish I was kidding. Sounds more like art then greifing
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