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James Zealot
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.12 02:58:43 -
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Which would yield you more ISK for your time? I don't have that much exp with L4s yet but soon. I have a pilot that can fly a Kronos with good support skills. Doing the anoms in null can be fast so I'm not sure which will be better time wise. Looking for opinions. Thanks guys! |
Sheeth Athonille
Planets Don't Orbit...
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Posted - 2015.08.12 04:39:08 -
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I believe they are fairly similar, with blitzing SOE missions being slightly better because of LP. Depends a lot on what you can fly and how much effort you want to put into it. Running anoms in null is fairly easy, where as blitzing missions is a little more intensive concentration wise. Figure you can make 20-23 mil ticks running anoms, and upwards of 100 mil in blitzing SOE missions (but you also have to convert the LP to items and then sell said items, so take that into consideration).
Personally I'd consider them fairly even, so it comes down to which you prefer. |
Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.12 04:43:38 -
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Apples and oranges really..
A null anom is mostly a semiafk activity for subcaps. A highsec/nullsec mission is mostly a "butt in the cup" activity due to the way missions are constructed and considering wave mechanics and aggro.
For one pilot there isn't much difference between the two unless you grind down to the min/max levels with high SP. The main difference is that for null sites you can effectively run an unlimited amount of them with very little effort. You would have a hard time running 5+ missions in highsec efficiently considering the amount of out of system travel and in station button clicking that is required.
On a personal note though the point is moot. If you have access to nullsec anoms then you need to be in nullsec space to support your alliance in the strategic buildup and control of that space. |
Cobbler Khan
Shades of Chaos Gatekeepers Universe
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Posted - 2015.08.12 05:03:41 -
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Nafensoriel wrote:Apples and oranges really..
A null anom is mostly a semiafk activity for subcaps. A highsec/nullsec mission is mostly a "butt in the cup" activity due to the way missions are constructed and considering wave mechanics and aggro.
For one pilot there isn't much difference between the two unless you grind down to the min/max levels with high SP. The main difference is that for null sites you can effectively run an unlimited amount of them with very little effort. You would have a hard time running 5+ missions in highsec efficiently considering the amount of out of system travel and in station button clicking that is required.
On a personal note though the point is moot. If you have access to nullsec anoms then you need to be in nullsec space to support your alliance in the strategic buildup and control of that space.
Whats a butt in a cup |
Anize Oramara
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
293
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Posted - 2015.08.12 05:38:26 -
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Cobbler Khan wrote:Nafensoriel wrote:Apples and oranges really..
A null anom is mostly a semiafk activity for subcaps. A highsec/nullsec mission is mostly a "butt in the cup" activity due to the way missions are constructed and considering wave mechanics and aggro.
For one pilot there isn't much difference between the two unless you grind down to the min/max levels with high SP. The main difference is that for null sites you can effectively run an unlimited amount of them with very little effort. You would have a hard time running 5+ missions in highsec efficiently considering the amount of out of system travel and in station button clicking that is required.
On a personal note though the point is moot. If you have access to nullsec anoms then you need to be in nullsec space to support your alliance in the strategic buildup and control of that space. Whats a butt in a cup Well theres this video on the internet involving a cup...
Actually it means you need to pay attention to the mission as in your butt in the chair/non afk. cup = chair
Null anoms are a lot easier and way more consistent and you don't have to worry about sec status and corp standings/faction standings but on the other hand is a bit more dull and repetitive. You can also get a carrier alt/friend to assign fighters to greatly improve isk per tick. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.08.12 07:46:27 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:Cobbler Khan wrote:Nafensoriel wrote:Apples and oranges really..
A null anom is mostly a semiafk activity for subcaps. A highsec/nullsec mission is mostly a "butt in the cup" activity due to the way missions are constructed and considering wave mechanics and aggro.
For one pilot there isn't much difference between the two unless you grind down to the min/max levels with high SP. The main difference is that for null sites you can effectively run an unlimited amount of them with very little effort. You would have a hard time running 5+ missions in highsec efficiently considering the amount of out of system travel and in station button clicking that is required.
On a personal note though the point is moot. If you have access to nullsec anoms then you need to be in nullsec space to support your alliance in the strategic buildup and control of that space. Whats a butt in a cup Well theres this video on the internet involving a cup... Actually it means you need to pay attention to the mission as in your butt in the chair/non afk. cup = chair Null anoms are a lot easier and way more consistent and you don't have to worry about sec status and corp standings/faction standings but on the other hand is a bit more dull and repetitive. You can also get a carrier alt/friend to assign fighters to greatly improve isk per tick.
You cannot assign fighters anymore.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
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Anize Oramara
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
293
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Posted - 2015.08.12 08:22:11 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:Cobbler Khan wrote:Nafensoriel wrote:Apples and oranges really..
A null anom is mostly a semiafk activity for subcaps. A highsec/nullsec mission is mostly a "butt in the cup" activity due to the way missions are constructed and considering wave mechanics and aggro.
For one pilot there isn't much difference between the two unless you grind down to the min/max levels with high SP. The main difference is that for null sites you can effectively run an unlimited amount of them with very little effort. You would have a hard time running 5+ missions in highsec efficiently considering the amount of out of system travel and in station button clicking that is required.
On a personal note though the point is moot. If you have access to nullsec anoms then you need to be in nullsec space to support your alliance in the strategic buildup and control of that space. Whats a butt in a cup Well theres this video on the internet involving a cup... Actually it means you need to pay attention to the mission as in your butt in the chair/non afk. cup = chair Null anoms are a lot easier and way more consistent and you don't have to worry about sec status and corp standings/faction standings but on the other hand is a bit more dull and repetitive. You can also get a carrier alt/friend to assign fighters to greatly improve isk per tick. You cannot assign fighters anymore. Good to know, I see they made that change beginning of the year. Didn't realise I had been out of null that long |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.08.12 14:28:14 -
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you dont need to assign fighters anyway, get the carrier on grid and get a friend in an ishtar, job done
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Ahed Sten
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Posted - 2015.09.01 06:31:46 -
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Hi.
I was a player who spent years in HS and LS doing various things like PVP and HS wars, every once in a while reverting back to mission running for isk or standings. I finally got tired of this, decided to become a space billionaire, and moved to Null for the first time in my life last month, where I have been running Sansha anoms to my heart's content. Here are some of my observations, and some of the reasons why I prefer null anoms to HS missions. I fly a Beam Paladin, btw.
My optimal setup with the Paladin in HS running level 4's made me at least 60-70 mil/hr. I ran missions for SOE in Apanake, would clear every room, used MTU's to loot every room that looked as if it was worth looting, and would buy and sell probe launchers from the LP store for ~35 mil isk per 14k-ish LP (It's been a while, not exactly sure.)
One of the things that I didn't like about HS missions is that there is a lot more effort involved in running them. You have to dock up every few missions at a minimum, do a bunch of clicking, load/unload loot/mission items or MTU's and obviously accept more missions. Not to mention the warping between systems, which i've read somewhere in the past that it takes up something like 33% of your blitzing time...Anyways...
Another downside to mission running is that you usually don't have the ability to control warp-in range, due to the use of acceleration gates. This means that you can't warp in at your optimal range all the time, and it prevents you from attaining your optimal mission completion times, due to not being in optimal. Also, those annoying scramming frigs.
In addition to all of this, very occasionally you may have to worry about ninja salvagers taking your stufff, crafty HS pvp'ers invading your mission pocket or stealing your mission item, etc etc. Some may call these things a non-issue, but they do happen from time to time and they do impact your income, even if only slightly.
There are probably a few things I'm forgetting, but it's very late so i'll stop there.
In contrast...
In null, i'm currently farming Sansha Forbidden Hubs. I'm sure that i'm capable of running harder anoms with the beam Pally but I haven't worked up to them yet. Even so, I reliably make 20-25 mil isk ticks if i'm going slow or get interrupted or have to warp out for some reason, have seen the occasional 30 mil isk ticks, and i'd say that my average isk per hour (Farming forbidden hubs accounting for bounties alone) is about 75 mil. If I drop an MTU I usually get between 7 and 15 mil in loot on top of that bounty, for a total closer to 85 mil per hour.
Why I prefer anoms:
What they say about renter/sov null being safer than HS for PVE is probably true. I can rat continuously for 10 hours a day and not see any reds in system, or the surrounding systems.
No time is wasted due to docking up to accept more missions, warping to other systems, looting mission items etc etc.
You can warp in at any range you like in an anom. If you're most effective at 0, you can warp in at that range and most of the rats will spawn there, every time. If you want to warp in at 80 or 100, like I do, you can also do that. No slowboating to get into optimal, no slowboating between acceleration gates.
In summary, I've flown almost the exact same Paladin setup in HS missions as I have in null anoms (The HS setup has a MWD instead of a MJD, but everything else is identical) and due to the significantly smaller amount of effort that is required to run anoms, those have proven to be a much better isk faucet than HS missions.
I hope this helped. If you're interested in making isk, if I were you i'd get down to null asap. You're not necessarily going to make 3x the isk in null that you would in HS, but there is a clearly noticeable difference and it will pay off quickly.
Good luck. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
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Posted - 2015.09.01 08:18:51 -
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Another interesting thing is that blitzing missions is almost completely neutral in terms of isk faucet/sink while anoms are not only a near pure isk faucet, it also introduces minerals in the form of modules into the economy de-valuating ores. Even incursions have at least some form of isk sink in terms of the LP store though I have no idea what the % of isk used up in the LP store is. |
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Anthar Thebess
1281
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Posted - 2015.09.01 11:37:21 -
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Note self http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Providence/Q-6LG1 Paladin ratting.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
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Garrett Osinov
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 12:09:24 -
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My answer is neither of them.
Best way to make isk is to run 10/10 plexes in 0.0, to run them you must receive a bookmark. There are 3 ways to do so. 1. Run anomalies (sanctum or haven) and as a reward you can get 10/10 expedition (chance based, usualy you get 1 expedition a day if you do anomalies non stop). 2. Scan for hidden anomalies, sometimes you can find 10/10, it is very rare. 3. By them from someone on contracts. This is the best and easiest way to make isk.
The reward for 10/10 plex is between 210 mils and 1.8 billions. It is possible to run 10/10 plex solo. |
Ahed Sten
80
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Posted - 2015.09.01 23:34:35 -
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Good luck, our Intel channels are on the ball, none of us run in carriers and those of us that run in Marauders don't use bastion. |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.09.03 08:49:45 -
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Ahed Sten wrote:Good luck, our Intel channels are on the ball, none of us run in carriers and those of us that run in Marauders don't use bastion.
Oh rly? Hard way : 1.Trace run position. 2. Move dictors to positions ( stations + safe pos ), log out them 3. Wait for target to start rat, give him 30-40+min 4. Login all dictors, put bubbles up , wait .
Easy way. 1. Create buddy account 2. Train astero 3. Put alt in alliance 4. Approach in cloak , scram , and light the cyno for BO
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2015.09.03 18:18:31 -
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seems like a lot of dedication for one kill. and the hard way almost seems easier, although I suppose with where the anoms spawn the dictors might be out of line. Burning awox alts just seems like it would get annoying after a while, and seems like they would get caught by an api check
all totally warranted if they claim to be flying a full officer fit or something, but just a marauder hull, meh. Maybe I'm just lazy these days
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Anthar Thebess
1286
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Posted - 2015.09.04 07:29:18 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:seems like a lot of dedication for one kill. and the hard way almost seems easier, although I suppose with where the anoms spawn the dictors might be out of line. Burning awox alts just seems like it would get annoying after a while, and seems like they would get caught by an api check
all totally warranted if they claim to be flying a full officer fit or something, but just a marauder hull, meh. Maybe I'm just lazy these days It is not dedication , it is null
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JJ Ring
Chaos From Order SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.09.04 10:41:22 -
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Run escals on your turf. Discard those where u can't get support.
As for the TS's Q.
Hunting for Serp's 7/10 brings me 30-35 isk/h with luck tired of me and 100-150 isk/hour when luck likes me (yesterday got 3 7/10 escals in a row and sold 'em right away... Don't have the juice to run 7/10 solo yet). |
Johnathan Coffey
Niforce Triggers
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Posted - 2015.09.04 12:24:55 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Ahed Sten wrote:Good luck, our Intel channels are on the ball, none of us run in carriers and those of us that run in Marauders don't use bastion. Oh rly? Hard way : 1.Trace run position. 2. Move dictors to positions ( stations + safe pos ), log out them 3. Wait for target to start rat, give him 30-40+min 4. Login all dictors, put bubbles up , wait . Easy way. 1. Create buddy account 2. Train astero 3. Put alt in alliance 4. Approach in cloak , scram , and light the cyno for BO You're willing to go through all that trouble to get a shitty paladin kill? Kids have too much time on their hands these days...
First rule of EVE UI: right click EVERYTHING.
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Anthar Thebess
1286
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Posted - 2015.09.04 12:35:34 -
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Some people spend 23/7ratting. This is not about , hunting this guy or not. I just give people pointers what they need to expect and prepare ship fittings. Guy at the beginning stated that his paladin fit is identical to one used in higsec (MJD/MWD change) All higsec fits have bastions.
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Ahed Sten
80
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Posted - 2015.09.06 18:28:02 -
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If you are willing to waste an alt/spy account just to kill my little T2 Paladin, you can go right ahead.
But if you think that all HS Marauder fits have/need Bastion you must not know much about Marauders. |
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