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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.12 11:16:35 -
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(Disclaimer: eleventy billion could be an exaggeration...or not!)
So if someone wanted to hypothetically try out some PvP action, in a solo scenario, from what I'm seeing everyone recommends faction warfare for that. Fair enough. Thing is, I'm not finding any good actual, for-near-dummies guides on how to do it.
"Just dictate range and shoot the other guy." Ok, how do you dictate range? This isn't Elite: Dangerous and we don't actually "fly" our ships here, Aura does. I don't see a lot of people talking about manual double-click piloting, so...?
I've seen a few Youtube videos purporting to explain it all, but they're done in live rather than staged fights, so the action happens in real time and it's hard to see what the pilot is doing on the tiny interface. And the narrators haven't really explained much; they seem to assume you can glean all you need from simply watching his screen.
As far as other PvP scenarios, my playtime is too short and too unpredictable to get involved with, say, a Corp. So I'll need to try it out in some kind of solo fashion.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
693
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Posted - 2015.08.12 11:48:55 -
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I'm not a PvPer but I think that I understand your question. Yes as I understand it PvPers do do a lot of manual piloting. Agnony Empire has a spiralling and tracking video that helps explain it as are lots and lots and lots of other videos out there. So you will have to understand manual piloting I believe.
Also worth noting is that you'll need to loose ships to learn how to PvP. I heard one PvPers say on a youtube video that he was annoyed by people that said just go out and loose 100 rifters and you'll learn to PvP. I'm not saying just loosing the ships will help you learn. But you also will not learn just from watching videos and reading blogs. You need to take in some information and then go put it to practical use and experiment with it. Then come up with new questions. Then go back to practical experience. So read, loose a ship or two, read, loose a ship or two, read, etc....
This is the spiralling and tracking video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT8VqVcLDqc
and here is a lecture from an expert PvPer. It is the one that I just refered to but he talks a bit about manual piloting iirc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YATpECqVOQ |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
693
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Posted - 2015.08.12 11:58:10 -
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as far as the faction warfare aspect I know I've seen several videos on how to make isk in FW but most of those involve being in a cheap ship and running from combat.
As a non-PvPer but someone who lives in null sec I'll tell you most of the players that I know got into PvP through fleet warfare. I'm not saying it's the best way just the easiest. From the videos that I watch seeking out lots of solo stuff can get you good experience and get you good at PvP but you have to not be averse to loosing ships and you can't look at getting your ship blown up as a loss. It is a learning and growth experience. If you can look at it that way you'll become a great PvPer in no time.
If you just want easy win without having to learn the game I am afraid that there is not much of that here in Eve. The easy win OP class, go read elitistjerks and then pwn in duels where no one else can interfere does not exist in this game.
Also note that baiting is a big thing in this game. As you learn more about the game you will understand why but for now just know that lots of pilots will like to make you think that you are getting into a solo fight just to have 20 friends show up as soon as you are locked down. Meta-gaming is a big part of eve. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.08.12 12:05:35 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:If you just want easy win without having to learn the game I am afraid that there is not much of that here in Eve. The easy win OP class, go read elitistjerks and then pwn in duels where no one else can interfere does not exist in this game.
I know this. I'm just looking for pointers, starting points, advice, etc.
You seem to have a rather large chip (ok, the size of a small country) on your shoulder about people bringing other games' culture/mentality here. I'm not doing that. I'm just asking for pointers, advice, links, etc.
I can afford to lose a chunk of frigates, it's not a problem. But losing them without learning something is a loss. Losing them but learning from it, that's no loss, and that's fine.
(And, as an aside, what do you do in nullsec while NOT being into PvP? Just curious.)
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1294
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Posted - 2015.08.12 12:46:12 -
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I would join a corp and PvP with them. Learning on your own is possible but you absorb knowledge much faster from your peers than from video guides and getting blown up alone. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.08.12 12:55:35 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:I would join a corp and PvP with them. Learning on your own is possible but you absorb knowledge much faster from your peers than from video guides and getting blown up alone.
I"m aware of that, but as I said in the OP, my playtime is too short and too unpredictable to make that even remotely feasible.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
693
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Posted - 2015.08.12 13:14:59 -
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Vendraen wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:If you just want easy win without having to learn the game I am afraid that there is not much of that here in Eve. The easy win OP class, go read elitistjerks and then pwn in duels where no one else can interfere does not exist in this game. I know this. I'm just looking for pointers, starting points, advice, etc. You seem to have a rather large chip (ok, the size of a small country) on your shoulder about people bringing other games' culture/mentality here. I'm not doing that. I'm just asking for pointers, advice, links, etc. I can afford to lose a chunk of frigates, it's not a problem. But losing them without learning something is a loss. Losing them but learning from it, that's no loss, and that's fine. (And, as an aside, what do you do in nullsec while NOT being into PvP? Just curious.) I do have a rather large chip on my shoulder about that. I'm sorry if it offended you but I was just trying to be helpful. I'm aware that my lack of couth can be offensive at times. I thank you for pointing out when I'm going too far.
I PvE in null sec. I mostly run anoms but do some industry as well. The reason that I came to null sec was to get away from PvP. In this game high sec is probably the worst place for someone not interested in PvP. If you don't want to PvP I recomend to anyone that you go to null sec. Not just any null sec you have to do your homework but you can find a little corner to hideaway in if that is what you like. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.08.12 13:19:51 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote: I do have a rather large chip on my shoulder about that. I'm sorry if it offended you but I was just trying to be helpful. I'm aware that my lack of couth can be offensive at times. I thank you for pointing out when I'm going too far.
You didn't offend me. I just wanted to point out what I saw as a pattern. I thought perhaps you didn't realize how visible the chip is. Or, hey, maybe you don't care. And that's fine.
I'm also sick of people trying to "force" games to be molded into their personal image. Diversity is good. We are now in a cool time in MMO gaming - so many choices!
Quote:I PvE in null sec. I mostly run anoms but do some industry as well. The reason that I came to null sec was to get away from PvP. In this game high sec is probably the worst place for someone not interested in PvP. If you don't want to PvP I recomend to anyone that you go to null sec. Not just any null sec you have to do your homework but you can find a little corner to hideaway in if that is what you like.
Interesting. Counter-intuitive but interesting. I may have to chat with you about that sometime.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
693
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Posted - 2015.08.12 13:20:16 -
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Vendraen wrote:
You seem to have a rather large chip (ok, the size of a small country) on your shoulder about people bringing other games' culture/mentality here.
More specifically to this I just want to add that lots of players come to the NC Q&A section here and complain about how Eve is not like other MMOs or try and give tips on how Eve could become like other MMOs. My comments to anyone that posts here are not so much directed specifically at the OP in all cases but I try to think of every new player that might read it.
Also we get a lot of the same questions over and over and over. So I give a lot of the same kind of answers over and over.
When I first came to Eve I had a hard time letting go of bad habbits that I got from other games. I say "bad" habits because it was exactly the kind of gameplay that I was looking to get away from but then I caught myself trying to duplicate it here. Once I let go of previously programmed expectations my eve experience got much better. I'm just hoping to offer that experience to newer players that might be having the same issue that I did. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
693
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Posted - 2015.08.12 13:21:55 -
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Vendraen wrote:
Interesting. Counter-intuitive but interesting. I may have to chat with you about that sometime.
I have to run off to work now but Eve mail me if you are ever interested I will be more than happy to pass on my limited experience to any new player interested. |
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12415
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Posted - 2015.08.12 13:31:21 -
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Vendraen wrote: Thing is, I'm not finding any good actual, for-near-dummies guides on how to do it. You're in luck! http://www.isktheguide.com/ Well anyway they bothered to get the first couple chapters of the pvp guide done in English, basics and getting started. You can get a bit of info out of EVE Uni actually http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Introduction_to_PvP Then yes, you can get exp out of things like FW or RvB etc. If you cant get committed with your main you can always put a little time into an alt and just go nuts with frigs for a while. Maybe get in with some npsi groups, no real commitment there.
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.08.12 13:32:13 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Vendraen wrote:
Interesting. Counter-intuitive but interesting. I may have to chat with you about that sometime.
I have to run off to work now but Eve mail me if you are ever interested I will be more than happy to pass on my limited experience to any new player interested.
I was about to do just that.
Thanks. :)
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Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5248
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Posted - 2015.08.12 13:51:09 -
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The basics of dictating range are about controlling the fight so that your opponent can't escape, and that you then fight at a range which is favorable to your weapon systems and unfavorable to the opponent's weapon systems.
Example:
I'm flying an Ishkur (a Gallente drone-oriented frigate). Being a drone ship, with my skills it applies damage effectively to targets within 57 kilometres.
You are flying a Hyperion, a Gallente turret battleship. Battleship turrets are inaccurate at close range but hurt like hell at long range.
You benefit if the fight is fought at long range (30-120km). I benefit if the fight is fought at super close range (10km and under).
If I get into super close range and can move faster than you, you won't be able to hit me. My goal is to live to get inside 10km, then activate a Stasis Webifier (lowering your speed to much less than mine) and a Warp Scrambler (preventing you fleeing or using a microwarpdrive or microjumpdrive which might give you a burst of speed or let you escape). I win if I can dictate range to <10km.
Your goal is to evade me long enough to kill me. You win if you can dictate range to >30km.
Because the Ishkur is faster, I'm the favorite to win this hypothetical fight.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3012
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Posted - 2015.08.12 14:11:48 -
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A PVP fit Ishkur is not the favorite to win against a PVP fit Hyperion. A typical PVP fit Hyperion has a scram, web, large energy neutralizer, loads of drones and can tank the DPS of an Ishkur indefinitely on a single rep.
That example is terrible. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2039
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Posted - 2015.08.12 14:34:27 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I win if I can dictate range to <10km.
You win if you can dictate range to >30km.
Because the Ishkur is faster, I'm the favorite to win this hypothetical fight. Everything Sabriz said is correct, but let me take it to the next level.
Two things that this Hyperion are likely to have are a Heavy Energy Neutralizer (also called a neut), which removes capacitor from the targeted ship at ranges out to 25km, and drones of its own, which can, unlike its main guns, effectively engage a frigate like the Ishkur at close range. These two things in conjunction can make it very dangerous for a lone frigate to engage the Hyperion at close range.
But, as with all things, there are counters.
To reduce the impact of the neut, the Ishkur can fit either a capacitor booster injector, which gets loaded with charges and activated to produce a quick burst of capacitor, or an energy vampire (also called a Nos) which you can activate on the Hyperion at close range to actually drain some of the Hyperion's capacitor directly into your own. These will not counter the Hyperion's neut completely, but they can allow you to keep operating.
To counter the impact of the drones, target them and kill them with your own drones and guns. Unlike your drones, the Hyperion's drones probably have no bonuses beyond the pilot's skills, so while they can still kill you, they should be relatively easy to kill with your own drones and guns.
If you can kill the Hyperion's drones before they can kill you and can manage to keep your modules running under the pressure from its heavy neut, the Ishkur still has a good chance of winning against the Hyperion in the long run.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1228
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Posted - 2015.08.12 15:37:33 -
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Join Spectre Fleet and Bombers Bar public channels and 'x'-up for a suitable fleet. In Spectre there are a lot of frig fleets lately with 10-20 people, this is the best to get comfortable in PvP with some margin for error (logi, longer fights). To learn winning in solo fights, it takes you a few months practicing and theorycrafting (as a casual evening warrior). My advice is to pick a cheap hull (e.g. Executioner), a fighting style (brawl/scram kiting or long range kiting matching to the hull), max out the in-game skills for that hull plus fit (+ Thermodynamics to at least IV) and start fighting in FW lowsec space. The most important thing is to pick your fights, get intel on your potential opponents (age, killboard, fits, buddies, stabs or not, etc.) and then engage if you see the slightest chance you can win this fight. Overheat, T1 frigate fights don't last long enough to get you into trouble. Trial & Error, you learn the limits of your ship and the limits of your opponents' ships this way ... success rate increases.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Orlacc
927
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Posted - 2015.08.12 17:19:27 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:I'm not a PvPer but I think.......
Why do folks feel the need to post even if they have nothing to offer?
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1298
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Posted - 2015.08.12 18:44:44 -
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Vendraen wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:I would join a corp and PvP with them. Learning on your own is possible but you absorb knowledge much faster from your peers than from video guides and getting blown up alone. I'm aware of that, but as I said in the OP, my playtime is too short and too unpredictable to make that even remotely feasible.
plenty of corps cover all time zones and plenty also don't have an "activity" quota
Trust me, there's a group of people out there for you |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
3014
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Posted - 2015.08.12 18:57:13 -
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I don't think any group worth being in has an activity quota. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
696
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Posted - 2015.08.12 21:37:01 -
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Orlacc wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:I'm not a PvPer but I think....... Why do folks feel the need to post even if they have nothing to offer? I was the first reply to his post. No one with better information had posted and I wanted to give him something which is better than the nothing he had gotten to that point.
Also I did not give him any of my personal knowledge as I have little to none when it comes to PvP further I did not mislead him by pretending to know PvP and giving him garbage information.
What I did do is direct him to some videos made by excellent PvPers with good information. Information that is talked about and linked here repeatedly. Are you claiming that I linked him bad or off topic information? I think if you listen to both of those videos that they do a very good job of answering the question that the OP had.
But again I don't claim to be the expert here so if you have better info or better links feel free to post them. I'd be more than happy to be upstaged and I'm sure the OP would agree that there is no such thing as too many good links or posts.
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Cobbler Khan
Shades of Chaos Gatekeepers Universe
66
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Posted - 2015.08.12 22:08:36 -
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Vendraen wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:Vendraen wrote:
Interesting. Counter-intuitive but interesting. I may have to chat with you about that sometime.
I have to run off to work now but Eve mail me if you are ever interested I will be more than happy to pass on my limited experience to any new player interested. I was about to do just that. Thanks. :) Hey man
I do alot of Fw solo flying on my alt, if you have any pvp questions feel free to mail me, im free alot
As for dictating range, essentially who can hold their opponent at their desired range is "dictating" it.
For example: Brawl ship (call it ship X) wants to keep you close so that his guns can destroy you. He will orbit tight and try to web you and scram so that you cant get away. Kite ship (ship Y) will try to orbit you anywhere from 8k to like 30k and not allow you to get close.
Whichever ship is controlloing the range of the fight has a better chance of winning. A dual web firetail will be able to hold the other ship at the range it wants and subsequently dictate range, because he can make the other slower
SOme ships both have same range so it cancels out usually |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1301
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Posted - 2015.08.12 22:47:57 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't think any group worth being in has an activity quota. you'll find plenty of people are willing to kick you when you've not logged in for 4 months |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5251
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Posted - 2015.08.12 22:52:58 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I win if I can dictate range to <10km.
You win if you can dictate range to >30km.
Because the Ishkur is faster, I'm the favorite to win this hypothetical fight. Everything Sabriz said is correct, but let me take it to the next level. Two things that this Hyperion are likely to have are a Heavy Energy Neutralizer (also called a neut), which removes capacitor from the targeted ship at ranges out to 25km, and drones of its own, which can, unlike its main guns, effectively engage a frigate like the Ishkur at close range. These two things in conjunction can make it very dangerous for a lone frigate to engage the Hyperion at close range. But, as with all things, there are counters. To reduce the impact of the neut, the Ishkur can fit either a capacitor booster injector, which gets loaded with charges and activated to produce a quick burst of capacitor, or an energy vampire (also called a Nos) which you can activate on the Hyperion at close range to actually drain some of the Hyperion's capacitor directly into your own. These will not counter the Hyperion's neut completely, but they can allow you to keep operating. To counter the impact of the drones, target them and kill them with your own drones and guns. Unlike your drones, the Hyperion's drones probably have no bonuses beyond the pilot's skills, so while they can still kill you, they should be relatively easy to kill with your own drones and guns. If you can kill the Hyperion's drones before they can kill you and can manage to keep your modules running under the pressure from its heavy neut, the Ishkur still has a good chance of winning against the Hyperion in the long run.
I only wanted to cover the impact of weapon systems in this post. Of course other modules will change the situation.
Worth noting that an Ishkur performs just fine with no capacitor (once already close) in this scenario. The Hyperion isn't hitting it often.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2048
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Posted - 2015.08.13 02:03:34 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I only wanted to cover the impact of weapon systems in this post. Of course other modules will change the situation.
Worth noting that an Ishkur performs just fine with no capacitor (once already close) in this scenario. The Hyperion isn't hitting it often. Of course. Just presenting a different angle to your already excellent analysis.
One thing the Ishkur can't do without cap though is tackle the Hyperion.
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
71
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Posted - 2015.08.13 08:56:21 -
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Vendraen wrote:"Just dictate range and shoot the other guy." Ok, how do you dictate range? This isn't Elite: Dangerous and we don't actually "fly" our ships here, Aura does. I don't see a lot of people talking about manual double-click piloting, so...?
It's all relative.
Let say that you're flying a frigate that can do damage from 0-8km and you run into another frigate who won't do damage outside 4km (because the pilot is an idiot) then all you really have to do is stay outside 4km and in that situation you will probably need a scrambler and web and possibly an afterburner. So in this case "dictating range" is still very short range. This is called scram kiting and it can be achieved by manual piloting (double clicking) and making sure that the clash (initial contact) doesn't result in you being very close to him, other than that you can simply do orbit or keep at range set to whatever range favours you.
A different scenario could be you in a long range frigate (missiles, rails, drones, perhaps lasers) vs a slower short range frigate (like an assault frig fit for brawling), now you REALLY want to stay outside his scram range (11km) but within your point range (24km+overheat) and you will do this by, again, manual piloting or, again, orbit or keep at range. He will probably try some tricks to catch you (sling shotting) but if you learn how that works, how to recognise and avoid it then you'll do fine with that.
Thing is "just dictate range" is a bit silly to state. Kiting requires a lot of experience, situational awareness and it's quite twitch based (as much as this is possible within EVE) and it becomes a whole lot more difficult when you're dealing with multiple targets. So it's kinda like "well, you just land on the moon you see", there's a bit more to it than just that :) That means that any newbie messing it up or not having a clue on it is fully understandable. Lots of newbies buy themselves a Navy Slicer because ppl tell them it's awesome for pvp, and then they die a thousand deaths because those ppl "forgot" to mention that it's highly situational and requires good piloting skills (and an idiot target).
The easiest way to get into this, assuming you want to solo, is to use a scram kiting frigate and then fight brawlers or kiters. Kestrel, Tristan, Executioner or Rifter/Breacher. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.08.13 10:33:40 -
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Orlacc wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:I'm not a PvPer but I think....... Why do folks feel the need to post even if they have nothing to offer?
Erg's post was far, far more useful than yours. Just saying.
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Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.08.13 10:44:31 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Vendraen wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:I would join a corp and PvP with them. Learning on your own is possible but you absorb knowledge much faster from your peers than from video guides and getting blown up alone. I'm aware of that, but as I said in the OP, my playtime is too short and too unpredictable to make that even remotely feasible. plenty of corps cover all time zones and plenty also don't have an "activity" quota Trust me, there's a group of people out there for you
I seriously, seriously doubt it. My low and erratic playtime is just one on a long, long list of dealbreakers. :D
Trust me - I'd only annoy any Corp I tried to sign on with. :/
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
699
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Posted - 2015.08.13 11:32:17 -
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Vendraen wrote:
I seriously, seriously doubt it. My low and erratic playtime is just one on a long, long list of dealbreakers. :D
Trust me - I'd only annoy any Corp I tried to sign on with. :/
None of that is a problem here in Eve. A lot of the elitist mentality that exists in other games does not exist here. I know there goes my chip again.
However I think it is worth pointing out that there are no 25 man raids or 40 man battlegrounds in Eve. You can run a mission solo or with 100 of your friends. You can run incursions with just you and a buddy or with 1000 coalition mates. You can engage in a 1 v 1 with another player and have 20 of your buddies jump in that were hidding on the other side of a wormhole in system only to have 50 of his friends jump in.
That structured gameplay that I referred to leads to an elitist mentality where guilds in other games only want the best so the game becomes more like a job interview. Here in Eve we just like doing things together. It's very much a "the more the merrier" mentality in most cases. So do you like playing games? Do you like having fun with friends? If the answer to either of those questions is yes then you have what 97% of the corps in this game are looking for. Just find other people to play with and have fun. It's a game not a job.
I garuntee that there are plenty of corps in this game where you would be more than welcome and a pleasant addition to the member list. |
Vendraen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.08.13 11:46:00 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote: None of that is a problem here in Eve. A lot of the elitist mentality that exists in other games does not exist here. I know there goes my chip again.
more like a job interview. Here in Eve we just like doing things together. It's very much a "the more the merrier" mentality in most cases.
Eh - you have to be honest. SOME Corps - some might even say a LOT of Corps, it is like a job interview. "Full API required!" "25M SP minimum!" "Better have 10000 voice chats ready to go!" "Must come to all ops!" Etc etc.
No, not all Corps, but some, quite a few.
So we can't say none of that exists here, because it does.
I don't care about the API thing; I'll give anyone that wants it a full API. Who cares? It's read only anyway. SP requirements are what they are - I'm at 3.5M - whoo hoooo!
But, really, if you want to talk dealbreakers, contact me privately; I don't want to start flame wars here, and believe me - my dealbreakers will start flame wars (not my first rodeo).
However, the community here is mostly awesome, which is NOT what you'd expect for a totally open game. I like it. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
5252
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Posted - 2015.08.13 12:20:23 -
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Vendraen wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote: None of that is a problem here in Eve. A lot of the elitist mentality that exists in other games does not exist here. I know there goes my chip again.
more like a job interview. Here in Eve we just like doing things together. It's very much a "the more the merrier" mentality in most cases.
Eh - you have to be honest. SOME Corps - some might even say a LOT of Corps, it is like a job interview. "Full API required!" "25M SP minimum!" "Better have 10000 voice chats ready to go!" "Must come to all ops!" Etc etc. (Hell, some of them even do conduct actual interviews.) No, not all Corps, but some, quite a few. So we can't say none of that exists here, because it does. I don't care about the API thing; I'll give anyone that wants it a full API. Who cares? It's read only anyway. SP requirements are what they are - I'm at 3.5M - whoo hoooo! But, really, if you want to talk dealbreakers, contact me privately; I don't want to start flame wars here, and believe me - my dealbreakers will start flame wars (not my first rodeo). However, the community here is mostly awesome, which is NOT what you'd expect for a totally open game. I like it.
Speaking as someone that has infiltrated corps before, noone should join a corp that doesn't conduct at least a basic API examination.
It's not to weed out low SP applicants, it's to weed out dishonest ones, in order to protect the corp and its loyal members.
Most corps with SP requriements will waive those for the right person.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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