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Ginger.
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Posted - 2006.12.08 20:32:00 -
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Hey Guys,
In relation to this post and a few arguments we have seen going up. E.g. Here. The Amarrian scripture quoted from book II is in fact Prime Fiction. To clear things up I will sort something out with the 'official Amarrian scriptures' and run it past Gnauton so we can publish it here and you guys can run with it with your roleplay.
Hope this helps.
Ginger.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 20:47:00 -
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Nice catch. So good to know that the Devs interface with the community.
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Amarr Underground
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.08 20:49:00 -
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Indeed, very nice to have new material to work with.
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Shaikar
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.08 20:54:00 -
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Great 
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2006.12.08 21:09:00 -
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I'll wait for that eagerly.
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Ginger.
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Posted - 2006.12.09 00:12:00 -
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Also guys, you make me cry when you use () in Intergalatic summit. And no one here likes it when they walk past my desk and im in tears, so for the sake of everyone here, dont make ginger cry :)
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.11 09:29:00 -
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Nice one Ginger..
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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Redwolf
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.12 01:00:00 -
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Ta Ginger! 
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Ginger.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 16:49:00 -
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OK, were going to release some, as yet, unseen scriptures and we have some ones we are pondering over. However, id like to open this up for some player submissions on the topic, however, I must warn you that the process will be rigorously policed and we might apply some heavy editing if we decide to place your quote in.
story@eve-aurora is the email address to use if you wish to send in something.
Cheers,
Ginger
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Discorporation
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.12 17:37:00 -
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Giefv deadline plx.
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.12 17:38:00 -
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Will there be one about the dangers of consorting with loose Gallente women? 
Seriously though this is a very welcome development...
I know you probably dont want to get too specific in terms of scriptural specifics - after all we spend enough time analysing, interpreting and debating the meaning of rl 'scriptures' so I doubt the Amarrian ones would be any different...
However there are a number of potential 'subject' areas where it would be good to have some (even vague) guidance - for all the god fearing 'loyal' Amarrians out there:
Subjects:
Slavery - its part of our religion (or is it?). How far does our religion go in advocating its use as a tool of 'The Enlightenment'
The Enlightenment - Is it our duty to educate the more primitive races and how important is the 'spread' of Amarrian 'religion' to our theology. i.e. does it justify a warlike crusading attitude or is it more vague? As a rl example fundamentalists (of many religions) believe that 'educating/converting/saving' others is their most important duty which supercedes other scriptural direction such as 'love they neighbour'
The Reclamation - tied into the one above but is there some indication or reference to it in scripture or is this just a term that has developed its own weight over the centuries.
The role of the Emperor - is this enshrined in scripture or merely in tradition?
Purity - does the scripture put a definition on what is an Amarrian? Does race matter or is it a state of mind and enlightenment. Can other races aspire to the status of 'true Amarrians' or is this something which is purely restricted by bloodline/heritage. It is possible that scripture could be more 'open' on this issue than how it has been interpreted by the living (possibly for their own reasons)
Just a few issues to go on
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2006.12.12 17:48:00 -
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It would be hilarious if all the new scriptures completely contradict everything CVA has been saying for the last 3 years.
HI-LARIOUS.
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.12 18:05:00 -
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Well we based our attitude on the snippets of Amarrian Prime Fiction that have been available - so I doubt that scriptures will run counter to that - although as I mentioned scriptures are always open to interpretation and debate...
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 18:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Hardin
The role of the Emperor - is this enshrined in scripture or merely in tradition?
the tetrimon claimed to have the original scriptures from before the moral reforms and before the emperor got his current position. from what i gathered they wanted to show that in the original scriptures the emperor is not seen as important and the apostle council should be ruling instead. so if theres a difference in the scriptures concerning that it would mean that the current official scripture should contain passages giving the emperor his legitimation/power.
official word on such basic issues would be good really.
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Ginger.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ginger. on 12/12/2006 18:46:35
Religious texts are not really specific documents, I mean the scriptures especially are a collection of books and religous texts dating back .. well dating back before there were dates. Different interpretations yield different results. And thus, Amarr society is likely littered with these, as the scriptures are such a large compilation.
I am loathe to set certain things in stone. As they are unlikely to be, and in any case, it doesnt work like that.
So the best thing, in my opinion, is to give you more textual quotes to work with, so you can interpret them. Some things are obvious, such as slavery is justified by the Amarrian religion, but others are up to debate.
Im working on giving more background material for all the races, More sand, if you will. Im thinking of exploring the tattoo tradition for the Minmatar, but there is not time set on this as its more of a hobby project at the moment.
As for deadline, I cant give you a set in stone one. However, before christmas is a good thing to aim for. Earlier if possible.
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:38:00 -
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Looking forward to them...
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Ginger.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:30:00 -
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That is of course, story@eve-aurora.com
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Posted - 2006.12.27 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Ilcrowe on 27/12/2006 09:38:56
My take on the subject is that for a culture as old as Amarr, there's probably going to be tens of thousands of distinct works of spiritual literature, but there's going to be a very few which every home or office can be expected to have copies of. The dicta a good Amarr believer will need to refer to on a daily basis, for the little rituals of every day life. The sort of thing that teachers quote from in their lessons, and students carry home from school with them. So I propose:
The Book of Truth - the Amarr religious cosmology. Creation of the universe, man, etc. Relationship with god(s), 'why things are like they are', etc.
The histories (2 volumes) - the history of the Amarr Empire, 'interpreted' to match the tenets of their faith. ("In the third day of the fourth month of that year the Emperor was directed by God to levy a tax on the conquered territories, leading to an uprising of the faithless...")
The Book of Obligations - scriptures describing the relationship between the different social classes. Eg. citizens of this rank may own slaves, citizens of that rank must make way in the streets for lords but not for merchants, a decree from the Emperor may be read by such and such a social class, while those below can listen to a summary provided by their family priest, etc.
The Book of Common Wisdom - parables, prayers, meditational lessons, hymns, etc.
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