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solrac lara
The Soul Society DeepSpace.
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:30:15 -
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I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:32:10 -
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In a nutshell, you can't possibly make everyone happy in a game designed to create conflict.
Solving one groups complaints only makes the opposing group whine moar. It's a vicious circle.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14117
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:32:34 -
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The TL;DR is "I don't know what would be better, but I hate what we have right now."
This applies to both the previous and current sov systems.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Takoma Panala
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:55:40 -
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Not arguing about the pros and cons of the new sov, but this fits every patch:
https://xkcd.com/1172/ |
Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.13 23:01:02 -
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Quote:FOZZIE KILLED EVE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Panthe3 Black
The Branded Few Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.13 23:17:16 -
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funny to read posted from dudes who dont even sov. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.08.14 00:24:32 -
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solrac lara wrote:I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
- Wand waving is more boring than shooting structures.
- Wands take longer
- Ships can't be fitted to make wand damage or wand repairs faster
- There is no knock on effect from fitting a fleet for wand waving
- 40 supers are now free to be 40 interceptors in 13-40 systems
- Whack-a-mole SOV
- AFK cloakers can pop up, wave a wand then an ECM buddy can turn them off when defenders come.
It boils down to who is willing to grief the longest and that is if the attackers even want the SOV or just want to spawn nodes and waste peoples' time for the "lulz"
Called it from the first dev post. Fozzie's team are incredibly blind.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Janeos
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.14 00:27:27 -
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They made holding sov more annoying than before without making defending it any more engaging or living in it more rewarding.
Sov went from being capital ships roving the galaxy to a Benny Hill finale chase scene. It's funny, the first time. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6779
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Posted - 2015.08.14 00:41:44 -
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This is obviously honeypot/tearpot thread. It's always the case when "newbies" just happen to ask about the biggest thing that has had massive threads on it
Also, moa endorses the sov system.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2109
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Posted - 2015.08.14 03:37:14 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The TL;DR is "I don't know what would be better, but I hate what we have right now."
This applies to both the previous and current sov systems.
It applies to EVERYTHING in EVE. |
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Scalding Holland
Arcadia Group
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Posted - 2015.08.14 03:43:43 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:In a nutshell, you can't possibly make everyone happy in a game designed to create conflict.
Solving one groups complaints only makes the opposing group whine moar. It's a vicious circle.
Please show me a sov holding group that likes the new changes.
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Scalding Holland
Arcadia Group
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Posted - 2015.08.14 03:44:31 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:The TL;DR is "I don't know what would be better, but I hate what we have right now."
This applies to both the previous and current sov systems.
POS sov wars are far better than what we have now. Majority of 0.0 would return to a simplified pos sov system. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1411
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Posted - 2015.08.14 04:52:51 -
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I got bored of orbiting a beacon for points in about 2 nights of FW, and I didn't even have to fit a loltosis mod. how that mechanic became the sov mechanic o.O
@ChainsawPlankto
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2015.08.14 14:38:42 -
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Lazy fat vets unwilling to do what they are suppose to do in the sandbox, create their own content.
They have put so many walls in place to protect their stuff and now they blame CCP for no one wanting to try and take it. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.08.14 16:42:49 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ... You contradict yourself.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
22733
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:16:41 -
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>>>Sov thread detection system has found active sov thread<<<
>>>Narwhal education protocols activated<<<
>>>Executing Narwhal educational materials search..... done<<<
>>>Deploying link<<<
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/mammals/narwhal/
>>>Link deployment successful<<<
>>>Returning to active forum scan<<<
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:20:10 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Sov thread detection system Congratulations on your recently acquired STDs.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
22733
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:22:48 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Sov thread detection system So.... you have STDs?
Technically the forum has STDS. I am simply the one who deployed it here.
...wait.. that sounded.... nah. It's a good acronym and we stand by our product.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Divine Entervention
Warriors Gaming Corporation Imperium Galactic Empire
552
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Posted - 2015.08.14 17:51:21 -
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Think about it like this:
Most people are below average intelligence already, so those of us with any clue of what's going on are outnumbered. Now this is a video game online, it's a game on the internet. The internet is a refuge for failures who couldn't make it IRL so they turn to the isolation from consequence of the internet to try and establish themselves.
These below average intelligence aren't very good at thinking, hence their label. They can't figure out how to play the game, so they just baahhhhh bahhhhh bahhhh whatever it was the sheep before them bawwweed.
Hating on Sov is essentially a giant neon sign above your wooly head that states: "I'm a stupid sheep unable to figure things out on my own".
This game is awesome. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12116
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Posted - 2015.08.14 18:12:17 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:solrac lara wrote:I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
- Wand waving is more boring than shooting structures.
- Wands take longer
- Ships can't be fitted to make wand damage or wand repairs faster
- There is no knock on effect from fitting a fleet for wand waving
- 40 supers are now free to be 40 interceptors in 13-40 systems
- Whack-a-mole SOV
- AFK cloakers can pop up, wave a wand then an ECM buddy can turn them off when defenders come.
It boils down to who is willing to grief the longest and that is if the attackers even want the SOV or just want to spawn nodes and waste peoples' time for the "lulz" Called it from the first dev post. Fozzie's team are incredibly blind.
Pretty much all of this, especially the part about not being able to affect the process via fitting changes. In the old system you could lessen the time it took to reinforce something or repair your own something.. With this new system, the ONLY thing you can do is make it more mind-numbingly painful for the other guy.
My very 1st post in the announcement thread about this new sov system warned that CCP has a history of "throwing the baby out with the bath water" ie over-reacting to perceived ill by over-engineering the "fixes". They did this with jump changes (jump fatigue PLUS crippling jump range when one or the other would have worked fine without being suffocating) and with many other things over the course of EVE's life.
Well, it's happened again, CCP didn't look at any of the GOOD features of the previous systems , they just wiped it all clean and replaced it with a convoluted system that basically gets ignored except that FCs bring one or 2 entosis guys to 'tickle' the enemy into a fight, which generally doesn't even work.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2015.08.14 18:12:53 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Most people are below average intelligence already, so those of us with any clue of what's going on are outnumbered. Umm. How can "most" people be below average when by definition that category is always 50%?
But as to sov, it does appear to be a little troll-y right now but that may solve itself. I think the main consequences of these changes have not been seen yet. Some sov entities are still too big, or have too much space. When they fail, a new set of smaller players might rise from the ashes and usher in to new era of conflict, but I can see how painful and unfun this sort of contraction could be on players.
That or sov will just grind to a halt. More changes have been promised, as well as iterations on the new system so I still hope CCP will get things right in the end. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
969
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Posted - 2015.08.14 18:15:17 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Pretty much all of this, especially the part about not being able to affect the process via fitting changes. In the old system you could lessen the time it took to reinforce something or repair your own something.. With this new system, the ONLY thing you can do is make it more mind-numbingly painful for the other guy.
My very 1st post in the announcement thread about this new sov system warned that CCP has a history of "throwing the baby out with the bath water" ie over-reacting to perceived ill by over-engineering the "fixes". They did this with jump changes (jump fatigue PLUS crippling jump range when one or the other would have worked fine without being suffocating) and with many other things over the course of EVE's life.
Well, it's happened again, CCP didn't look at any of the GOOD features of the previous systems , they just wiped it all clean and replaced it with a convoluted system that basically gets ignored except that FCs bring one or 2 entosis guys to 'tickle' the enemy into a fight, which generally doesn't even work.
I find most of your posts to annoy me.
This one is not so.
Not today spaghetti.
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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:40:20 -
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solrac lara wrote:I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
I think that some people might feel that the new sov mechanics are artificial, implemented with a focus on game design for the sake of game design, and not so much based on what would make sense if the EVE world was real.. (yes, yes, I know it's real, but you know what I mean) |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16509
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:51:20 -
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We did warn CCP about troll cepters. The jesus laser should never have been allowed on anything smaller than a cruiser.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:31:30 -
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Quote:Why all the hate on sov ?
Thirty six forum regulars having the same fight over and over, thread after thread is not really indicative of the player base as a whole.
Most people really don't give a rat's ass one way or the other. Sov simply doesn't affect the majority of players.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:59:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ... You contradict yourself.
Build wall, sit back and get lazy and fat.
No contradiction. Just you not thinking it through.
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Snowmann
Arrow Industries
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:08:55 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ... You contradict yourself. Build wall, sit back and get lazy and fat. No contradiction. Just you not thinking it through.
Or those who fear a loosening grip of their imagined power. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
14131
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:23:07 -
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baltec1 wrote:We did warn CCP about troll cepters. The jesus laser should never have been allowed on anything smaller than a cruiser.
Personally, I would still say battlecruiser, functionally anyway. It should be cripplingly hard to fit on a cruiser, and a battlecruiser should have it's role bonus applied to fitting it.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Max Fubarticus
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:57:39 -
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solrac lara wrote:I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
If you are indeed a new player in Eve, then it is certainly a valid question. The "you broke MY game" mantra is as old as Eve itself. Ask anyone who has played for any length of time, and you will get just as many reasons why the game is failing, broke, doomed, or any other form of quality analysis ( quality is very subjective ). Example: I feel that the entosis link mechanic is a goof ball approach to challenging Sov. But that is just my opinion. There may be better ways or worse ways to challenge Sov. You simply can't make everyone happy all the time. Sooo... I just accept it for what it is, move on and adapt. I like the challenge of trying to make something out of nothing.
Welcome to the Eve Community!
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2338
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:58:38 -
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Basically they turned boring structure shooting into something more boring, which is quite impressive honestly.
Not having to reload/cycle/retarget is nice though. You can watch TV with far fewer interruptions. |
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