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rofflesausage
State War Academy Caldari State
207
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Posted - 2015.08.14 23:01:43 -
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solrac lara wrote:and how do you think it should work ?.
It's never worked. It should just be removed and brand new game mechanics introduced that doesn't involve 'owning' space.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2190
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Posted - 2015.08.14 23:31:03 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ... You contradict yourself. Build wall, sit back and get lazy and fat. No contradiction. Just you not thinking it through. Putting many walls in place is not lazy. Maintaining many walls is not lazy.
Blame the people for building great sand castles... ... or blame the beach for not having enough places to gather the sand and have more people building sand castles to rival those.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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OldWolf69
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
187
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Posted - 2015.08.15 00:00:23 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets unwilling to do what they are suppose to do in the sandbox, create their own content.
They have put so many walls in place to protect their stuff and now they blame CCP for no one wanting to try and take it. ...actually, they do create their own content. What does **** off dumb people like you is the fact they refuse to create YOUR content too. Be butthurt about this someplace else. HTFU.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
462
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Posted - 2015.08.15 00:13:34 -
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baltec1 wrote:We did warn CCP about troll cepters. The jesus laser should never have been allowed on anything smaller than a cruiser. I heard trollceptors were dying in droves (check the ones costing more than 50m) to people that actively use their space and the only real headache were the 100mn recons...like we warned you, they can and will die to anyone using their brain to find a counter instead of crying grrrceptors on the forums over and over.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2339
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Posted - 2015.08.15 00:16:57 -
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Killing trollceptors is not the problem. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2015.08.15 00:27:35 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ... You contradict yourself. Build wall, sit back and get lazy and fat. No contradiction. Just you not thinking it through. Putting many walls in place is not lazy. Maintaining many walls is not lazy. Blame the people for building great sand castles... ... or blame the beach for not having enough places to gather the sand and have more people building sand castles to rival those.
I don't go to the beach to rival others. I go to enjoy myself by doing things that I enjoy. |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2339
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Posted - 2015.08.15 00:34:49 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Lazy fat vets ... have put so many walls in place ... You contradict yourself. Build wall, sit back and get lazy and fat. No contradiction. Just you not thinking it through. Putting many walls in place is not lazy. Maintaining many walls is not lazy. Blame the people for building great sand castles... ... or blame the beach for not having enough places to gather the sand and have more people building sand castles to rival those. I don't go to the beach to rival others. I go to enjoy myself by doing things that I enjoy.
Not when you're 5 years old! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6783
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Posted - 2015.08.15 01:36:56 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:Basically they turned boring structure shooting into something more boring, which is quite impressive honestly.
Not having to reload/cycle/retarget is nice though. You can watch TV with far fewer interruptions. Well I guess that's true, though remember that structureshooting does like using drones or lasers
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
306
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Posted - 2015.08.15 07:50:51 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Quote:Why all the hate on sov ? Thirty six forum regulars having the same fight over and over, thread after thread is not really indicative of the player base as a whole. Most people really don't give a rat's ass one way or the other. Sov simply doesn't affect the majority of players. Mr Epeen
so it's all really you posting lol
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16514
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Posted - 2015.08.15 10:34:50 -
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Eli Apol wrote:baltec1 wrote:We did warn CCP about troll cepters. The jesus laser should never have been allowed on anything smaller than a cruiser. I heard trollceptors were dying in droves ( check the ones costing more than 50m) to people that actively use their space and the only real headache were the 100mn recons...like we warned you, they can and will die to anyone using their brain to find a counter instead of crying grrrceptors on the forums over and over.
Correction, idiots are getting killed. The bulk are flitting around in cepters because they are nullified, fast and very hard to pin down because the simply refuse to engage. t3 destroyers are also doing much the same thing while people in cruisers is somewhat rare these days.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
1027
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Posted - 2015.08.15 11:04:30 -
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rofflesausage wrote:It should just be removed and brand new game mechanics introduced... Which is..?
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2192
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Posted - 2015.08.15 13:44:44 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:rofflesausage wrote:It should just be removed and brand new game mechanics introduced... Which is..? While everyone is coming up with that:
- Go back to Dominion SOV
- Drop carrier and dread damage by 10%
- Heavily nerf super and titan damage
- Cut the structure HP so they are less boring to grind.
Result? 500 sub-caps or 50 supers? Do you want 50 supers sitting there when they can hardly hit sub-caps because they aren't regular carriers?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
1252
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Posted - 2015.08.15 14:17:34 -
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solrac lara wrote:I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
sov is now a minigame
SpaceJunkys on YouTube - Harry Forever on the Forums
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Reiisha
Repracor Industries
752
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Posted - 2015.08.15 14:41:08 -
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CCP focused so much on taking and defending sov when someone comes in and contests it by using the pre-determined interface.
The focus is so tight, so tiny that they forgot everything else about it. And even on that point, they took the original system (structure grind) and changed it, rather than actually changing it up and improving it.
And it's again something i've been saying for a while: It's a focus on passive systems, rather than active systems. Base sov on system activity instead of a passive structure grind and then you'll get proper gains and gameplay from it.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6788
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Posted - 2015.08.15 16:35:07 -
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don't hate the sov, troll the sov
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Divine Entervention
Warriors Gaming Corporation Imperium Galactic Empire
555
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Posted - 2015.08.15 17:57:51 -
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People tend to hate what they can't understand. |
Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1547
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Posted - 2015.08.16 01:43:19 -
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New sov system allows those without any sov to claim some.
No need to already hold 49 moons and have an armada of super caps and Titans to convert a "pvp opportunity" into a 30 second dunk hp grind and everyone logs off before combat happens.
Now combat always takes some time, and you don't need those super caps to get it, there are tears about "second jobs" and no fighting.
Reality is : previous sov had one fight per 600 opportunities because so many super caps, you can't win, why bother? Current sov : has one fight per 600 opportunities because people in super caps can't move about quickly enough, so they don't want it
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1548
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Posted - 2015.08.16 01:43:19 -
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New sov system allows those without any sov to claim some.
No need to already hold 49 moons and have an armada of super caps and Titans to convert a "pvp opportunity" into a 30 second dunk hp grind and everyone logs off before combat happens.
Now combat always takes some time, and you don't need those super caps to get it, there are tears about "second jobs" and no fighting.
Reality is : previous sov had one fight per 600 opportunities because so many super caps, you can't win, why bother? Current sov : has one fight per 600 opportunities because people in super caps can't move about quickly enough, so they don't want it
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Martin Corwin
Emergente Struktur
35
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Posted - 2015.08.16 03:15:02 -
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solrac lara wrote:I hope this doesnt count as rant or crapposting is an innocent newb question why there is people compainning abaut the new sov system ? or how the old one was better ? how was the old one too? and how do you think it should work ?.
Its just that every 2 days i log in on the forums i see a post or two complainning abaut the same topic and im curious
First, nearly everyone and their preferred type of pet wanted a SOV system that rewarded actually living in your own space.
And they got that.
Now they're starting to realize that this means somebody has to stay at home while everyone else is out roaming. And they think that sucks. Of course they don't take that precaution and get frequent reinforcments from pilots in "cheap" 50m ISK interceptors. Which they whine about as they percieve it as griefing.
But griefing freighter pilots in highsec with only a bunch of cheapo catalysts or a CONCORD-protected Machariel is still OK.
No, I don't get it either. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6788
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Posted - 2015.08.16 04:27:32 -
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the trollsov continues even to the forums, where you troll about sov mechanics
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
908
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:38:02 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Most people are below average intelligence already, so those of us with any clue of what's going on are outnumbered. Umm. How can "most" people be below average when by definition that category is always 50%? That would be the median, not the average. If you have the values 1, 2, 3, and 10, the average of these values is 4, with most of the values being below the average.
IQ is a bell curve though, so the median and the average are the same. |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2015.08.16 12:11:28 -
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Isn't one of Eves motto's "adapt or die"?
I have never been involved in sov before, but it is something I am looking at doing in the near future, and I am reading what people are saying and seeing who seems to be adapting the best.
To me it appears that Imperium have dealt with it all the best so far, they have left every other alliance in their dust in terms of making changes before the release became active, consolidating their space and actually trying to respond to the new sov in the best way possible. Some other alliances should take note.
I listened to a lot of the round table. I feel many are being unfair on CCP, they constantly pointed out what the purpose of the round table was yet many failed to understand it and carried on raging like nobs. The game has changed- you need to get with it. yes there are a few issues that CCP acknowledge but throwing a tantrum like a five year old is not the way to get things sorted. Sending titan/ super cap/ cap fleets across the universe in 5 minutes is never going to happen again- get used to this new reality.
If your idea of dropping cap fleets on every single ship that gets within range of your sov, leads to noone coming near your sov space, you cant complain about lack of gudfites, when you have caused the problem yourself. Allow people to get in to nullspace and settle and build up so that they think they might have a decent chance of not getting entirely obliterated by you within the first 2 seconds of any fight.
There are more tweaks to come and further changes to come in the future, i think a lot of people need to calm down and revaluate what they are doing and how they need to change to get an active nullsec going again. I saw a map recently of how null has changed so far- i think its great and is exactly what is/was required to get people excited about moving to null.
I am one of those that never wanted to be in null space- it looked crap tbh. but now i excited about joining. and it looks like Imperium is the way forward
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John Wolfcastle
Galactic Cargo Inc. Crying Clowns Foundation
2
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Posted - 2015.08.16 21:28:58 -
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It's easy, defend your used space. Use your space to defend it properly (longer attack time, lesser vulnerbility). It should be possible to drive away trollceptors until that time window is over. It's not bad, it just needs some smaller adjustments to the system, but imo, it's better then the old system. Defend and Attack... defend and attack.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6796
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Posted - 2015.08.17 03:48:49 -
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While people used to advocate ratting as a way to train for structureshooting, now we will support mining.
Not only does it raise an important index but also... yep, teaches you about lasering things that don't move
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap, lasersov)) tears.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. If only there was another coalition that existed to destroy them, or more legions to be paid off, or more ceptors.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
1126
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Posted - 2015.08.17 03:50:25 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:While people used to advocate ratting as a way to train for structureshooting, now we will support mining.
Not only does it raise an important index but also... yep, teaches you about lasering things that don't move And then we will use all of those minerals mined in sov practice to build more supers.
Oh god, CCP, what have you done? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6796
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Posted - 2015.08.17 06:21:12 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:While people used to advocate ratting as a way to train for structureshooting, now we will support mining.
Not only does it raise an important index but also... yep, teaches you about lasering things that don't move And then we will use all of those minerals mined in sov practice to build more supers. Oh god, CCP, what have you done? "Create content"
EDIT: People wanted supers to be cheaper, well if you mine it yourself...
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap, lasersov)) tears.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. If only there was another coalition that existed to destroy them, or more legions to be paid off, or more ceptors.
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Salvos Rhoska
1244
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Posted - 2015.08.17 09:06:19 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:the trollsov continues even to the forums, where you troll about sov mechanics The irony is strong in this one.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2201
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Posted - 2015.08.17 13:40:31 -
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I did get one thing wrong about my predictions. I think both myself and CCP didn't expect it.
No one wants Null Sec enough to abuse these mechanics and take the space.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Salvos Rhoska
1246
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Posted - 2015.08.17 15:39:34 -
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Sov is populated by four kinds of players:
1) Members of the established and deserved elite, with years of experience, a stable full of developed characters, and personal connection to others of the same. All things considered, these are the implacable and most hardcore and deserving players of EVE. Theyve seen and played through **** most of us only read about. Be afraid, because these guys know this game in and out, have the means and the connections to do anything and everything EVE has to offer.
Included here also are players whom are very good at what they do, such as FCs (and their finest most capable associated pilots), magnate industrialists, market gurus, logistics/organisation experts and general EVE wizards in all fields across the board.
These guys are few, but run the game. o7
2) F1 monkeys, and pilots who enjoy the WoW-like mentality of being ordered around in a fleet by an FC, because they feel strong in numbers, want victory and "gudfights" but lack the incentive and capacity to do so for themselves. They join the winner, and feel like a loser if they cant. Altogether a massive cancer full of hacks that the above cant stand but have to deal with. These wannabe assholes are why fleets have voice comm restrictions. They ride on the coat-tails of giants, and quick to anger/discontent when things dont go their way. Some inspired and persistent few among them will rise to 1), but the most are just trash, peons and meat.
3) Smaller entities with idealistic pursuits, including recently (and admirably) various corps designed specifically for new player content. Leadership typically involves a few of 1), and in my opinion at least, they are the future of EVE in terms of providing sandbox content. Again, like em or not, they are building castles in the sand for established powers to kick over, at their own expense. May we all wish them well and success in their endevours!
4) Independant pilots with balls who end up either destroyed in their efforts or joining one of the above. Eventually graduate to 1-3), or return to HS till invariably they try again, or forget the game (WH, FW and LS also options).If you know your ****, anything is possible, eventually.
Conclusion?
Make your choice, but ultimately and most importantly, keep playing. The universe is yours, mine and theirs equally for the taking.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6803
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Posted - 2015.08.17 16:01:16 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I did get one thing wrong about my predictions. I think both myself and CCP didn't expect it.
No one wants Null Sec enough to abuse these mechanics and take the space. But... they are willing to do it to troll the space (specifically the people holding space I guess)
Op success
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap, lasersov)) tears.
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. If only there was another coalition that existed to destroy them, or more legions to be paid off, or more ceptors.
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