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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2016.01.28 00:57:56 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Wow. So you want me to bet on something that occurred in the past? I suppose logic is not your strong suit. You want me to bet on something that won't pay out for half a decade, making it highly likely that there will be no game left for me to enjoy the payout. Logic is my strong suit, which is why I'm rejecting your silly offer. My offer is also silly, but at least it rests on some actual, empirical factsGǪ
Quote:By your definitions, Duke Nukem Forever is still vaporware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vaporware#Surfaced_vaporware
Quote:I'd be willing to wager that Squadron 42 will be released by 2018. You know, it's actually vapourware already since it was supposed to be out almost two years agoGǪ
Quote:Will SQ42 not be out by 2018? Looking at the history of the company and the people behind it, even with that much extra time GÇö more than double the original estimate GÇö it's not something I'd bet on.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Captain Tardbar
Interstellar Incorporated
1143
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Posted - 2016.01.28 01:09:34 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Wow. So you want me to bet on something that occurred in the past? I suppose logic is not your strong suit. You want me to bet on something that won't pay out for half a decade, making it highly likely that there will be no game left for me to enjoy the payout. Logic is my strong suit, which is why I'm rejecting your silly offer. My offer is also silly, but at least it rests on some actual, empirical factsGǪ Quote:By your definitions, Duke Nukem Forever is still vaporware. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vaporware#Surfaced_vaporware Quote:I'd be willing to wager that Squadron 42 will be released by 2018. You know, it's actually vapourware already since it was supposed to be out almost two years agoGǪ Quote:Will SQ42 not be out by 2018? Looking at the history of the company and the people behind it, even with that much extra time GÇö more than double the original estimate GÇö it's not something I'd bet on.
From the wiki: "Products which once were considered to be vaporware which eventually surfaced after a prolonged time:"
Ergo according to the Wiki, its no longer vaporware.
Well I am glad you won't bet on it. Saves me the trouble on spending $100 of EVE when I could be buying Star Citizen ships, but I can rest now that I know you are afraid to back up your opinions and most of what you say on the forums is indeed just bunk not worth any amount of value.
If I am subbed, I will come back on occasion to update this thread or others if they exist with the progress of Star Citizen.
Unless you are serious about engaging me with a worthwhile bet, I am done with you.
Good day sir.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26832
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Posted - 2016.01.28 05:00:59 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:From the wiki: "Products which once were considered to be vaporware which eventually surfaced after a prolonged time:" Ergo according to the Wiki, its no longer vaporware.
It also means that all things SC are vapourware. If, by some miracle, some hugely cut-down version should ever surface three, four, or fifteen years after development started, then that is just the standard fate of broken projects that are shoved out the door in the vain hope to recoup some of the costs.
Quote:Well I am glad you won't bet on it. You'll notice that it was your side I was describing. I'm telling you it's not something you should bet on because you'd be betting against the well-established pattern of every Roberts production ever, and against the continuation of that pattern that SC has demonstrated over the years.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7150
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Posted - 2016.01.28 08:21:08 -
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Tippia wrote:Why not use the actual release dates and completion states the head developer has offered?
First part: if Star Citizen is released with all the features promised in the crowdfunding campaign by the end of 2014 (i.e. after three years of development), it is not vapourware. Second part: if Space Marine is released with with all the features promised in the crowdfunding campaign by the end of 2015, (i.e. after four years of development) it is not vapourware. Third part: if Squadron 42 is released with all the features promised in the crowdfunding campaign by the end of 2016 (i.e. after five years of development), it is not vapourware.
We can do one PLEX per part, if you will, to keep your losses down.
Oh, and one more condition: you have to explain what facts were ignored. Juts FYI Tippia, vapourware has to never be released. If it's ever released, even if it's missing features, it's not vapourware.
From your own link "Products which once were considered to be vapourware which eventually surfaced after a prolonged time" as in once considered to be vapourware, but it turns out they in fact weren't because they actually got released. Just because some people incorrectly classify things now doesn't make them right.
Besides, games that are classed as vapourware show no signs of development. SC clearly does. It's like saying the Oculus Rift is vapourware because it missed it's original deadlines.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
3912
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Posted - 2016.01.28 09:07:08 -
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What if I would said the Star Fox 2 game was completed and never officially released, but it made its way to players anyway?
How do you call these? Vapourware with a hint of leak?
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2016.01.28 10:00:37 -
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I thought EVE Online used Varsol (R)(TM) during some of the warp sequence(s). I was then amazed to realize that it uses vapourware, consisting of Vape smoke overlapped on background for effect (not yet released).
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26832
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Posted - 2016.01.28 11:37:17 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:From your own link "Products which once were considered to be vapourware which eventually surfaced after a prolonged time" as in once considered to be vapourware, but it turns out they in fact weren't because they actually got released. GǪand until it's actually released, it's pure 100% weapons-grade vapourware. Indeed, many of the first (and defining) uses of the term were applied to goods that actually did come out at some point. Windows' famous GǣGolden VapourwareGǥ award is a classic example. And even if it is released, it may still be vapourware depending on the circumstances of the initial announcement and the subsequent development.
Quote:Besides, games that are classed as vapourware show no signs of development. No. Games that are classed as vapourware show no signs of being released. There are plenty of examples of things that were being developed for years after the announced release date, and which were (entirely correctly per historical use) categorised as vapourware: again, Windows is probably the most famous example of this.
Just because people incorrectly think it only has one meaning (not coming out ever) and ignoring the others (being laughably late, early announcement to used to ward of competition) doesn't mean that they're right.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7150
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Posted - 2016.01.28 13:29:02 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪand until it's actually released, it's pure 100% weapons-grade vapourware. Indeed, many of the first (and defining) uses of the term were applied to goods that actually did come out at some point. Windows' famous GǣGolden VapourwareGǥ award is a classic example. And even if it is released, it may still be vapourware depending on the circumstances of the initial announcement and the subsequent development. Right, so now what you are saying is that it's vapourware because it's not yet released? Thus every single product ever is vapourware until it is released? That pretty much annihilates any meaning behind the word, thus you calling SC vapourware is irrelevant. In the same way, EVE-Valkyrie is vapourware and the division (which I've got preordered) is also vapourware, v0v.
Tippia wrote:No. Games that are classed as vapourware show no signs of being released. There are plenty of examples of things that were being developed for years after the announced release date, and which were (entirely correctly per historical use) categorised as vapourware: again, Windows is probably the most famous example of this.
Just because people incorrectly think it only has one meaning (not coming out ever) and ignoring the others (being laughably late, early announcement to used to ward of competition) doesn't mean that they're right. But SC does show signs of being released. Other than it not being released yet, and your weird hatred of an EVE competitor, there's nothing to suggest it won't be released. And again, upon release any suggestion it was vapourware would be proven to be categorically wrong, since the actual release of a game is definitely a sign of it being released.
Seems to me the real problem here is you don't like the idea of SC existing. Too bad.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
39701
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Posted - 2016.01.28 13:33:11 -
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It's like GD's come to OOPE.
Tippia, you should totally drop into LAGL while you're here so Boss can flirt with you.
n-â fruít-¦-âwl lík-ö h-âm-ö =ƒìî
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Captain Tardbar
Interstellar Incorporated
1143
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Posted - 2016.01.29 20:59:23 -
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BTW
It's free flight weekend, so if you don't own a package you can play for free and test out three ships.
https://m.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/437n30/is_there_a_free_flight_this_weekend/
Check out reddit to get a referral code etc etc and how to download along with tutorials.
So if you wanted to pass judgment on the game without spending money, now is your chance.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
439
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Posted - 2016.01.29 21:18:51 -
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Star Citizen: Greatest Video Game Scam Ever or Horrible Mess Created by Clueless Idiots.
You decide! |
Captain Tardbar
Interstellar Incorporated
1143
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Posted - 2016.01.29 21:38:07 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Star Citizen: Greatest Video Game Scam Ever or Horrible Mess Created by Clueless Idiots.
You decide!
And you could be playing right now for free if you really wanted to.
Well at least until the weekend is over.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
439
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Posted - 2016.01.29 21:45:26 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Star Citizen: Greatest Video Game Scam Ever or Horrible Mess Created by Clueless Idiots.
You decide! And you could be playing right now for free if you really wanted to. Well at least until the weekend is over.
I've seen enough of Star Citizen to determine the simple fact that CIG would need to pay me to play their "game". |
Captain Tardbar
Interstellar Incorporated
1143
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Posted - 2016.01.29 22:05:44 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Star Citizen: Greatest Video Game Scam Ever or Horrible Mess Created by Clueless Idiots.
You decide! And you could be playing right now for free if you really wanted to. Well at least until the weekend is over. I've seen enough of Star Citizen to determine the simple fact that CIG would need to pay me to play their "game".
You know... If you wanted to not look like you were infected with the Zika virus, you could have lied and said you played it and it was crap.
I mean if you were going to trust the validity of a person who played a game versus some who has not.
I mean that is how I get all my game reviews... From opinionated people who never played the game.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Toriessian
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
410
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Posted - 2016.01.29 23:15:58 -
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I don't know about the game but Derek Smart vs. Chris Roberts should be turned into a fight on celebrity deathmatch. The passive aggressive back and forth via blogs/twitter/forums posts has delivered more entertainment to me than most AAA PC titles. As someone who purchased the original Battlecruiser 3000 AD and a Wing Commander fan I was hoping Derek Smart was wrong but I'm starting to think hes probably correct. The Squadron 42 announcements, the Star Marine fiasco, it just starts to add up to looking like a clusterfuck. TBH if theres anyone who knows what a clusterfuck looks like its Derek Smart lol.
Every day I'm wafflin!
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2574
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Posted - 2016.01.30 04:03:01 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Star Citizen: Greatest Video Game Scam Ever or Horrible Mess Created by Clueless Idiots.
You decide! And you could be playing right now for free if you really wanted to. Well at least until the weekend is over. I've seen enough of Star Citizen to determine the simple fact that CIG would need to pay me to play their "game". You know... If you wanted to not look like you were infected with the Zika virus, you could have lied and said you played it and it was crap. I mean if you were going to trust the validity of a person who played a game versus some who has not. I mean that is how I get all my game reviews... From opinionated people who never played the game.
Levanth proves the saying "Having reached a narrow opinion from a narrow set of information is only natural."
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
440
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Posted - 2016.01.30 19:55:21 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Star Citizen: Greatest Video Game Scam Ever or Horrible Mess Created by Clueless Idiots.
You decide! And you could be playing right now for free if you really wanted to. Well at least until the weekend is over. I've seen enough of Star Citizen to determine the simple fact that CIG would need to pay me to play their "game". You know... If you wanted to not look like you were infected with the Zika virus, you could have lied and said you played it and it was crap. I mean if you were going to trust the validity of a person who played a game versus some who has not. I mean that is how I get all my game reviews... From opinionated people who never played the game.
There's that old saying about how you don't need to eat **** to know that it won't taste good. You should look it up sometime.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
4101
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Posted - 2016.01.30 20:14:25 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Star Citizen: Greatest Video Game Scam Ever or Horrible Mess Created by Clueless Idiots.
You decide! And you could be playing right now for free if you really wanted to. Well at least until the weekend is over. I've seen enough of Star Citizen to determine the simple fact that CIG would need to pay me to play their "game". You know... If you wanted to not look like you were infected with the Zika virus, you could have lied and said you played it and it was crap. I mean if you were going to trust the validity of a person who played a game versus some who has not. I mean that is how I get all my game reviews... From opinionated people who never played the game. Levanth proves the saying "Having reached a narrow opinion from a narrow set of information is only natural." I dont think the complete set of information is there yet to get it in the first place. A lot of it is guess, even when you play the incomplete game, watch every dev blog of SC and read a lot of their forum.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2016.01.30 21:53:45 -
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quoting are still limited at 5 cases with the current data scheme, unless... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26833
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Posted - 2016.01.31 04:18:42 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Right, so now what you are saying is that it's vapourware because it's not yet released? Thus every single product ever is vapourware until it is released? No, I'm saying that it's vapourware because it is nowhere in sight. The first chapter of the first episode of one portion of the game is supposed to come out almost twice as long after its inception as was originally promised, but there's absolutely nothing to suggest that they will even be able to achieve that. This being in line with every other release promise they've made over the years. Even media outlets that would normally be privy to some kind of preview peek GÇö especially at a time when more and more people are wondering if anything is being produced GÇö are shown nothing.
The tech demo they've produces is fundamentally broken in every aspect that relates to the core gameplay, and even the stuff they've blown a mindboggling amount of cash on (numerous mocap studios; A, B, and Z-list actors) has only ever yielded demo reels that would have looked bad and poorly animated five years ago. And that's just the technical aspect GÇö let's not forget that it's Chris writing and directing this, and it really showsGǪ
Quote:But SC does show signs of being released. Not really, no. It shows signs of CIG being desperate to try to release something and claim that this satisfies their promises, seeing as how they're vastly cutting back on features; reinterpreting previous promises; downscoping the game as a whole; weirdly making claims about GÇ£substantial portionsGÇ¥ being released when nothing of the kind has happened; have senior devs GÇö the ones who have any experience of actually managing this kind of project and releasing a game GÇö leaving the project in an almost constant stream. And then, of course, there's the whole GÇ£alphaGÇ¥ nonsense, which can only be explained by their wanting to project an image of progress when very little of the kind is actually happening.
It shows signs of them understanding that they have to do something very quickly, or they will be subject to public inquiry and lawsuits due to how they've failed to provide what people are actually giving them money for, but also understanding that what they could conceivably release will not even remotely resemble that promise.
Quote:Seems to me the real problem here is you don't like the idea of SC existing. No. The problem is that the history of Chris Roberts is repeating itself, again, and that SC has become vapourware. I would love to play something like SC. By everything CIG has been able to show, I never will. They simply lack everything required to pull it off, and while it might conceivably be saved from Chris and cut down to something releasable in the same way Freelancer was, by now no sane publisher or developer would want to touch the mess because there is nothing to gain from it GÇö only pain.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sturmwolke
679
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Posted - 2016.01.31 09:04:49 -
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Tippia wrote:Oh, and here's the latest gem: at 30:38, one of their community managers is asked what his favourite star system in SC is. His answer? GÇ£I don't really have a favourite star system, 'cause they're all just text and, like, a single piece of concept art.GÇ¥ Good job, after 4+ years of work towards creating a 100-system GÇ£massive universe.GÇ¥ EVE WiS deja vu By the time they're done (if ever), the engine used would've been left behind and obsoleted by the industry. Updates or fixes would incur more extra costs. Without a sustainable revenue stream (KS/early access packs/other shinies aren't sustainable revenue), it's just a matter of time before the entire thing collapses.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7153
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Posted - 2016.01.31 13:44:52 -
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Tippia wrote:No, I'm saying that it's vapourware because it is nowhere in sight. How? How is it nowhere in sight? It's had an open play session this weekend, it's under clear active development with a mass of information about it's development. The only reason you are calling it vapourware is because you don't like it, which you are making very clear. Too bad that's not how reality works really.
Tippia wrote:cutting back on features; reinterpreting previous promises; downscoping the game as a whole; Newsflash: development goals change. You should read some original development goals for mainstream games and realise how much gets cut from most games during development. Hell, go back and read plans from previous fanfests and see how much stuff they claimed will happen which never materialised. I guess EVE is vapourware.
Tippia wrote:No. The problem is that the history of Chris Roberts is repeating itself, again, and that SC has become vapourware. Except of course it hasn't.
Tippia wrote:I would love to play something like SC. I doubt that, based on your comments here.
Tippia wrote:Oh, and here's the latest gem: at 30:38, one of their community managers is asked what his favourite star system in SC is. His answer? GÇ£I don't really have a favourite star system, 'cause they're all just text and, like, a single piece of concept art.GÇ¥ Good job, after 4+ years of work towards creating a 100-system GÇ£massive universe.GÇ¥ Being that the game is as previously mentioned in development I'm not surprised they've not been dumping in final content for loads of systems. Do you understand how development works? It's not just like drag dropping content into a window and it's good to go, most of the work will be on the systems that underpin the existence of the entire system, the parts that don't result in visuals.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26833
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Posted - 2016.01.31 22:20:53 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:How? How is it nowhere in sight? Exactly like that. It is nowhere in sight. It has a hideously broken tech demo with almost all the gameplay and mechanics missing, and what there is is at laughably crude level. It hasn't been designed yet. It has blown past every release date ever issued.
The only reason I call it vapourware is because it ticks every box for being vapourware: all gloss, all PR, no actual product, no end or actual release in sight and nothing to even remotely suggest that they will ever be able to release anything resembling the game they've promised.
Quote:Newsflash: development goals change. GǪand once they've changed to the point where it is no longer the product promised, we have vapourware. Live with it. Or don't, that works too. If you're so pathetically desperate to be right that you want to call EVE GÇö a game that is actually out and available GÇö vapourware, then you've already lost this one.
No. EVE is not vapourware. WiS is. Planetary flight is. SC is, for much the same reason: because it's all showy presentations and PR and a broken tech demo, but with no actual game GÇö you know, something with mechanics and gameplay GÇö in sight.
Quote:Being that the game is as previously mentioned in development I'm not surprised they've not been dumping in final content for loads of systems. Being that they've had 4+ years to design the thing, having come no closer to how the systems will work than a text file and concept art means that no actual development is going on. It means they haven't left the concept stage on one of the simplest, most basic, most fundamental elements of the game. It means that we're talking pure vapourware here because there is no actual game in sight for the simple reason that they haven't even begun developing the fundamentals.
It's debatable if they've even decided on how they're actually going to create these systems. At first, it would be all hand-crafted. Then it would all be procedural. At some point, they'll probably go back to it being hand-crafted once they realise that E:D will outdo them on this point as well as on everything else. Put another way: they have no idea what they're doing; no idea where they're going; and no capability, ability, or technical knowledge on how to get to wherever they eventually decide to go.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13524
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Posted - 2016.02.01 14:43:28 -
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Tippia wrote:
By the way, the whole GÇ£you don't know anything about developmentGÇ¥ spiel that Citizens usually try to use to excuse some very obvious development problem doesn't work on this one (or, indeed, on anything it's been tried on) because you'd have to be 100% ignorant about the development of anything to think that you do the fundamentals last. It only shows that the person who tries it is a shill with some vested interest in keeping the con going. So how much are you in for? How have your ships dropped in value on the grey market?
TBH it's natural. people who want (hell, lets say NEED) something to happen or have their dreams pinned on something, are rarely able to be objectively critical of something. The reverse is also true, people who hate a thing are rarely able to see the good aspects of that thing.
People who gave Chris Roberts money don't want to consider the idea that they may have made a mistake. I'm not saying they did, SC could one day be awesome, but I have yet to meet a 'Citizen' that wasn't a true believer.
It's not hard to notice that many of our WiS types are also gung-ho about SC. I think that's because they are the type of gamers that want to be totally immersed in whatever they are playing. Just goes to show there are different types of gamers, the things they see as engaging and immersive just strike me as incredibly tedious and overbearing.
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Captain Tardbar
Interstellar Incorporated
1144
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Posted - 2016.02.02 00:25:40 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Tippia wrote:
By the way, the whole GÇ£you don't know anything about developmentGÇ¥ spiel that Citizens usually try to use to excuse some very obvious development problem doesn't work on this one (or, indeed, on anything it's been tried on) because you'd have to be 100% ignorant about the development of anything to think that you do the fundamentals last. It only shows that the person who tries it is a shill with some vested interest in keeping the con going. So how much are you in for? How have your ships dropped in value on the grey market?
TBH it's natural. people who want (hell, lets say NEED) something to happen or have their dreams pinned on something, are rarely able to be objectively critical of something. The reverse is also true, people who hate a thing are rarely able to see the good aspects of that thing. People who gave Chris Roberts money don't want to consider the idea that they may have made a mistake. I'm not saying they did, SC could one day be awesome, but I have yet to meet a 'Citizen' that wasn't a true believer. It's not hard to notice that many of our WiS types are also gung-ho about SC. I think that's because they are the type of gamers that want to be totally immersed in whatever they are playing. Just goes to show there are different types of gamers, the things they see as engaging and immersive just strike me as incredibly tedious and overbearing.
To be fair, I really did not give Chris Roberts any money till I played the open universe and multicrewed with a fellow on a stolen Freelancer. I was so impressed I bought one.
On a side note the free weekend wasn't just this weekend. Apparently its all week...
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15178-Roundup-Free-Fly-212-Patch-And-Other-Updates
Now I am a big EVE hater apparently, but I don't hate EVE so much that I would put money into Star Citizen for nothing. I can spend money on ESO or War Thunder and get more use per dollar.
I just was impressed with the current state of SC that I felt it was worth buying a ship.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
4429
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Posted - 2016.02.03 13:07:18 -
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But you could make a satellite program together with launch for that amount of money SC gets. But people would rather get their sorry ass making a fine imprint in the chair, playing another Spaceship game, as if EVE, where you can meet thousand of people together and play together would not suffice. All of this because you have been able to steal someone else's ship.
So you can steal spaceships. In EVE you can steal everything, poses, belongings, everything. How much is SC better? Because you can see a buggy avatar of sorts doing those things? Believe me, it will not take ages when you will realise it is all just a pretty packaged but bland tasting candy, it does not have essence of EVE. It have essence of BF on bigger map. Not the ultimate space sim.
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Aemilia Dianus
Thessalian Enterprises
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Sturmwolke wrote:Tippia wrote:Oh, and here's the latest gem: at 30:38, one of their community managers is asked what his favourite star system in SC is. His answer? GÇ£I don't really have a favourite star system, 'cause they're all just text and, like, a single piece of concept art.GÇ¥ Good job, after 4+ years of work towards creating a 100-system GÇ£massive universe.GÇ¥ EVE WiS deja vu By the time they're done (if ever), the engine used would've been left behind and obsoleted by the industry. Updates or fixes would incur more extra costs. Without a sustainable revenue stream (KS/early access packs/other shinies aren't sustainable revenue), it's just a matter of time before the entire thing collapses.
That is not strictly the case. If we consider SC to be a AAA game then most such games take about 3-6 years to be finished. I think (but im not sure) that such games constantly Upgrade their Technology while being made, or at least perform modifications to the engine. Unless SC takes 6 or more years to be done, which I hope won't be the case, there is no reason to view it as obsolete before its time. For now it looks good altough it is horrendously unoptimised. |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
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Aemilia Dianus wrote:That is not strictly the case. If we consider SC to be a AAA game then most such games take about 3-6 years to be finished. I think (but im not sure) that such games constantly Upgrade their Technology while being made, or at least perform modifications to the engine. Unless SC takes 6 or more years to be done, which I hope won't be the case, there is no reason to view it as obsolete before its time. For now it looks good altough it is horrendously unoptimised.
Agreed
10 for the Chairman: Episode 76
Hi talks about eve in this one and other stuff like pve and player created content interesting stuff,in episode or two before hi talked about ganking basically or so i understood while there be no pew pew zones they will be minuscule in size much like now(few km around single station atm).
All other illegal activities will be supervised by police... well that is good... i dont think game will be griefing online but it will have that elements with actual consequences of doing so instead doing it for laughs and giggles if one wish.
Further more i think game elements it self gonna be more balanced ie no free catalyst that do battlecruiser dmg to other targets just because...
Thinking something like they will be ships that it could do massive amounts of dps but size will play more significant role and so far i did not see cargo ship that cant pack some serious heat them self.
Come to think of it dropping unarmed barely able to achieve warp flight barge in free ships ganking heaven universe is... well ...really stupid thing to do.
Typhoon Fleet Issue SOE skin for the win.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2016.02.03 18:20:18 -
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First post on this thread: August 2014...
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Lasisha Mishi
Touch of Death
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Posted - 2016.02.03 19:02:01 -
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Star Citizen.... Either the best legal scam of all time, which EVE players will be jealous of for not doing it themselves. Myself included.
The biggest let down/waste of money.
or the future of gaming.
My money's on the let down part because visuals alone don't carry a game. Gameplay, amount of content, and stability do. |
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