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Warmeister
Van Diemen's Demise Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:19:59 -
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Dantelion Shinoni wrote:
Although there is a problem in that T3 cruisers can still fit the module and those can go past bubbles at least a T3 cruiser is a juicy killmail unlike an Interceptor, still another simpler alternative could be:
it doesn't really matter what ship attacker has if the defender didn't show up there will be no kill mail either way |
Tallardar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
31
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:25:23 -
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5pitf1re wrote:Yep, that's why numbers started dwindling at a disturbing rate ever since fozziesov hit TQ. It must be because it is such a great success and of course all we want is to destroy the game by having the cause of EVE's dwindling numbers reverted.
Hang on, I'm confused now ...
I hate to point out to you Mr. Fivepitfonere, but EVE's subscriber count has been dwindling since well before Phoebe and Fozziesov. The current slump EVE is experiencing started back in February of 2014 which was right after Halloween War ended and those running the vast rental empires (N3, CFC, PL, & XIX) decided not to risk those empires after this massive war because that'd be bad. After Phoebe however, only one group gave up their rental empire while another crumbled. The remaining two are the most vocal of those complaining about the current sov system because they appear unwilling to actively defend those systems or part with them.
Fozziesov is a total of 1 month old at this time, it's far from the deathknell of EVE when you take the previous two years and actions of the larger powerblocs into consideration. It does make a good scapegoat though, I'll admit that but so does CCP Sounwave's involvement in the Monoclegate business.
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JetStream Drenard
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
65
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:26:04 -
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Syri Taneka wrote:Amy Garzan wrote:Wilhelm Knicklicht wrote:Reagalan wrote:Fozziesov is not engaging for the average fleet member, who has to wait around while the magical sov hackers do all the work. Under Dominion sov, your average fleet member got to contribute via DPS, and at least got killmails at the end. TL;DR: fozziesov not attractive for the average goon member who just wants to get fleetwarped and press F1. system working as intended. News for CCP (and you since you cant think). When Goons and the Imperium make up one of the largest player blocks, and we all quit, whos paying the bills? Think that over. All the people who are going to join up because Sov is actually accessible again for the first time in years? This.
The player base ruined null sec long ago, They intuited that the Goon warfare methods were the most practical way to win sov with the least effort. The players institutionalized the methods that worked the best. All this means is that fighting in null is the most horribly boring, soul destroying thing that ever happens in the game pvp-wise.
That no sane people want to go to null sec to get blue balled or hell blobbed. So daily focused pvp happens everyday in low sec where people go to have fun.
Remove all sovereignty and take their names off the map. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
972
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:26:50 -
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Huge changes followed by tiny iterations for 9+ months of a system that is crap.
Never change CCP.
Not today spaghetti.
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1626
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:27:34 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:RatKnight1 wrote:So, we can still fly trollceptors?
Yeah.
A 4km/s speed limit is not enough.
Limit these things to ships that force players to put some skin into the race. On top of this, players in trollceptors can still fly through space while generally being untouchable... sure, they can only go 4km/s, but that still is enough to outrun most combat fit ships in the game. Surely the real problem is that Interceptors should never have been given interdiction nullification in the first place. This was a huge mistake and should be rolled back yesterday. Interceptors online needs to go away.
This was a CSM idea, so blame them.
I'll repeat the points I made at the time about this.
1) An interceptor is already the most likely ship to escape bubbles after nullified T3s. A skilled pilot could already get out of a bubble and escape. So nullifcation was just a plain dumbing-down gift to people who can't fly their ships.
2) The logic was that "ceptors were made to chase and catch things". But the change was made simultaneously with the changes to warp speed. So if a ship and a non nullified ceptor warp together towards a bubble, the ceptor will land long before the ship, and will be at 0km to its prey, and be in a better position to catch than if it skids right through the bubble 80km to the gate. If the other pilot is smart and bounces off a celestial (dscan on narrow angle to starting point will show he's no longer on same trajectory as you) the ceptor can still MWD toward the gate (or backwards+warp if the bubble is > 75km) and be there before the other ship lands from his bounce because of the new slower warp speeds.
Add to this they had to nerf agility (which ceptors actually do need) to balance the nullifcation (which they don't).
It was just dumbing down, plain and simple. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2209
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:33:37 -
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Andre Lvov wrote:FOZZISOV It is a big failure CCP Fozzie . Yup. A colossal failure.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6575
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:34:44 -
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JetStream Drenard wrote:Syri Taneka wrote:All the people who are going to join up because Sov is actually accessible again for the first time in years? This. The player base ruined null sec long ago, They intuited that the Goon warfare methods were the most practical way to win sov with the least effort. The players institutionalized the methods that worked the best. All this means is that fighting in null is the most horribly boring, soul destroying thing that ever happens in the game pvp-wise. That no sane people want to go to null sec to get blue balled or hell blobbed. So daily focused pvp happens everyday in low sec where people go to have fun. Remove all sovereignty and take their names off the map. Lol? How is it more accessible? You might be able to contest it, but you still can't live in it without either renting or blueing, since you'll just get farmed when the larger groups get bored. And clearly if that's what was being hoped for, it's failed, since the user count is still continuing to drop sharply.
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M1k3y Koontz
Respawn Disabled Initiative Mercenaries
783
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:37:29 -
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Wow this thread is so salty I died of dehydration. Limiting the Entosis to BCs and BSs is bad gameplay, cruisers are often used to control the grid, HACs and pirate Cruisers especially.
3000m/s would control trollceptors while still allowing nano gangs the ability to move around.
Alternatively, why not disallow a ship with an active entosis link from leaving the range of the entosis link? If you can't make an artificial barrier, then cause their ship to explode. Put in some lore about the mind of the capsuleer being seperated from his/her ship when the entosis link is broken.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
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Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
361
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:40:14 -
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Eli Apol wrote:Alphaomega21 wrote:If you want to truly fix the sovereignty system once and for all remove it completely and base who's name is on the map by the alliance who has the greatest number of pilots out in space. Then you can start working on the problem of making 0.0 worth fighting over. Maybe by buffing moons so alliances can have an income source that is worth taking. Managed to be funnier than all the CFC salt. Post of the day.
Ah, welcome! We were looking for the clueless highsec salvager to comment on the null sov changes, and you did not disappoint to deliver. Now all we need is a low class wormhole PvE farmer to comment on them as well, because why the hell not?
(For other readers, this person has been talking without a clue re: fozzie sov since it's very early announcement, and if you take a look at his corp history, you'll find out that he is a high-sec salvager) |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
361
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:43:53 -
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Aldjor Dayman wrote:Nevil Kincade wrote:NO FOZZY !
NO ! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
You are being told a fairy tale! We have taken a couple of systems (and lost them again) but never due to a single 'trolling' ship. This stuff just doesnt happen in reality against an organized alliance/coalition. It always involved fending of ewar and controlling access to the system. Perhaps stalling for time to get the entosis done but ultimately because the defenders CAME IN TOO LATE. And whos fault is that ?
I cant believe you are giving into this whining of people who just DONT WANT TO PVP. You should see the reality of 'Entosis Trolling' with your own eyes before you make such decisions. The defender comes in, jams the Entosis ship and your warm-up cylce goes to **** wasting you 20 minutes. And if you fit a ship to counter that kitsune or falcon by outrunning it they scream "Unfair! Unfair! Fozzy nerf it pleeeease !!!"
What is this bullshit ? Sov defence by crying for nerfs ? And you play along ???
Entosis links seriously need e-war immunity or be able to keep running without a lock-on !
What do you think how many successfull jams a falcon can get off during the warm-up cycle, 20, 200 ? Because thats the amount of Entosis ships you will need in the future to capture a TCU against a defender who is actually on the ball. And what if you field 20 ECM ships or 100 ? That gets us to a number the server cant even handle.
And how dare those that own sov to define that kiting is not a proper strategy to fight over a system ? They could easily have put on their OWN ENTOSIS onto the TCU and stopped the attackers progress. If they were TRULY holding the field that shouldnt be a problem right ? Our 9k m/s Entosis ships never could stay on grid with an actual force arriving by the way. Again: Fozzy bro is believing a fairytale.
What was happening the last few weeks was EXACTLY what Aegis Sov was meant to do: Make power blocs realize they cant occupy all the space themselves. They were supposed to feel the pain of an empire overstretch and make a tough call about what space is worth the effort.
THEY WERE MEANT TO LOOSE SPACE ! And not only the part they choose to. Now they are starting to loose their face in being outplayed and loosing Sov so they throw all their political power at CCP. Of course on the cost of the entire player base.
Please grow a spine you lush sack of potatoe meal ... im so ******* disappointed, you were the last hope for content and conflict in Eve.
P.S. Aegis Sov has made Pure Blind a content garden of even. Sure the Sov holders don't like to get slaughtered in skirmishes now that they are forced upon them but the content generation part of the new system is absolutely working.
Congratz on that part CCP! Please don't give up. All the criticism is purely political and certainly not about fun and explosion. Unfortunately this post has no credibility because you come from the bottom of the dumpster.
You realize now in MoA internal forums, you will now be referenced as a Goon alt? :P |
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Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers Goonswarm Federation
192
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:44:53 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Reagalan wrote:The only solution to the problems of Fozziesov is to scrap the whole thing, return to Dominion sov, and iterate upon a proven system. Ah yes. Where goons reigned supreme with the Blob or GTFO tactics on, well on everything. How about no.
I'm sorry as an EX HERO member myself.. an EX fighter Against your Group when I lived in Providence.. You people Blob as much as goons back when you didn't murder your membership numbers with bad ideas. Back when Brave Newbies was a classy and respectable group with great ideologies. Back when every MAJOR power bloc started rolling out their own versions of Brave Dojo because they RESPECT how BNI was handling things. When Powerblocs started changing how they handled things internally into the ways BNI handled them. Lets not Forget the Brave we all knew, Loved, respected, mocked, faught, and cheered forward to great heights.
Brave was becoming Goonswarm 2.0 until you failscaded due to EGO. Hubris led to the downfall of your great alliance, it's many coupes, its abandonment of great corporations, lets not forget about the Internal Destruction of the Hopefully Effective Rookie Organization (H.E.R.O). But let us make no Mistake.. BNI was BLOB or GTFO when it's members Enjoyed logging in. |
JetStream Drenard
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
65
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:44:57 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:JetStream Drenard wrote:Syri Taneka wrote:All the people who are going to join up because Sov is actually accessible again for the first time in years? This. The player base ruined null sec long ago, They intuited that the Goon warfare methods were the most practical way to win sov with the least effort. The players institutionalized the methods that worked the best. All this means is that fighting in null is the most horribly boring, soul destroying thing that ever happens in the game pvp-wise. That no sane people want to go to null sec to get blue balled or hell blobbed. So daily focused pvp happens everyday in low sec where people go to have fun. Remove all sovereignty and take their names off the map. Lol? How is it more accessible? You might be able to contest it, but you still can't live in it without either renting or blueing, since you'll just get farmed when the larger groups get bored. And clearly if that's what was being hoped for, it's failed, since the user count is still continuing to drop sharply. You prove my point for me. thank you. How do you stop a null sec from only fighting with a blob. you cant because it is part of their mentality. n+1, yada yada. Null sec needs to feel that it is special, important, relevant. super blobs.
Polarization is human nature of trying to be on a winning team and is only nerfable by putting severe limits on both corp and alliance size, yet there will always be ways around it. Null sec proved for 8 years that it would always find the way around everything to get what they want, and now they cant do it with fozzie sov. Fozzie sov was a good idea that was poorly implemented, even I know that. but it is still a great idea. |
Atum' Ra
Nomen-illis-Legio Legion of xXDEATHXx
85
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:45:13 -
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Warmeister wrote:Atum' Ra wrote:Fozzie is that a joke? Where the real changes? The creation of alliance cost 1 billion One system cost 1 ceptor (about 50 millions) Where is logic?
in order to be able to contest sov ceptor needs to be in alliance so the pilot needs to pay same 1b now when a pilot in said ceptor comes to capture a system that no one turned up to defend, he puts on the field 50m more than defender did. that's the logic.
Why someone mst create an alliance? Someone need to get to the alliance! Hi-sec alliace and nothing more! That char can be an alt of anyone with 1 mil SP That sound like: " I'm 8 years old I know very much about everything, and now I want to be a president of a small country! Give me please the ability to be! "
That sov is the benining of the end. |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2340
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:45:54 -
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Reagalan wrote:Won't do jack **** to a system that is fundamentally and critically flawed and unsalvageable.
Until you get off of this "small gang" and "local conflict" soapbox the decline of Eve will continue. We didn't sign up for small gang impermanent bullshit and we detest your attempts to force this playstyle upon us.
Thank you very much. This is exactly how I feel. CCP if you want to force us to play the game like this then do it. Stop guiding and pushing us. Do the sledgehammer thing, like you usually do and dictate the way we should play. |
Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
361
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:46:29 -
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yogizh wrote:Will you also create a ship that can track a ceptor moving at 4000 m/s ? Cause that was your policy right ? Having a counter to everything ?
This change solves nothing.
Yes, a ship that can also move between grids at will to be able to catch the entosis trollceptor who is already out of the sov structure grid by the time you land on it from the gate.
Because he'll have seen you drop in local long before you land on grid and he'll have aligned away.
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Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers Goonswarm Federation
193
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:49:14 -
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Alundil wrote:PopplerRo wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:What does a 4km/s speed limit on atrollceptor actually mean? You can ECM the ceptor using a 16M ISk Dragoon and break his lock, scuppering his warm-up timer. Quote:[Dragoon, test]
Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II
5MN Microwarpdrive II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Drone Link Augmentor II [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
Small Ionic Field Projector II Small Ionic Field Projector II Small Ionic Field Projector II
Hornet EC-300 x 5
.. while the idea is sound that fit is plain stupid. 1.You have no active ecm mod, and those rigs don't work on the drones. 2. The drones are too slow to even catch up to jam the target. For the cost just use a griffin, or an instawarp 'ceptor with active jams in the mids. Land, jam, warp out. Troll 'ceptors with even more cancerous ones Couple points on your points: 1. The Dragoon is a drone dessie. It needs no ECM mods. The rigs aren't there to affect the drones, they allow the Dragoon to target out to 124km. 2. EC-300 drones on the Dragoon can travel up to 5k/s so more than fast enough to catch the magicsovwandingceptors after Galatea. As an aside - the b|tching and moaning taking place in the first 9 pages is already increasing the risk of cardiovascular disease in the playerbase. Ease up folks. Ease up. This set of changes isn't the "sky is falling" moment either. FFS.
I believe what he's trying to say is.. Why chase the damn ceptor with drones and just JAM it period. Land on Grid.. Use Active-ECM mid slot.. Ceptor is jammed.. Frigates do this job well. No need for a dessy. Hell warp in with ECM frig, Jam ceptor... Cloak up and wait for him to come back.. he arrives and starts entosing, let his "warm-up" cycle clear.. Decloak and jam again. Continue until heart is crushed.
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Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
362
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:50:05 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Alp Khan wrote:Here are my thoughts about the set of 'tweaks' that Fozzie announced:
They are simply amazing. They absolutely manage to touch and correct almost none of the issues that the majority of null players were pointing out very vocally.
Node reductions might be pointed out as a positive change, but the tweak on them is so light that is suspiciously looks like to me an attempt to damage control after the overwhelmingly negative feedback that has been addressed to Fozzie & the team.
With these levels of excellence at the inability to comprehend the basic demands of the null sov players, I can easily foresee EVE Online going F2P in short to medium term with the current trends of concurrent logins and subscription numbers rapidly bleeding out.
Well done Fozzie, now please do pen a dev blog about how you succeeded on placing the game on life support and prevented the death. Meanwhile, we'll be throwing soil on EVE's casket and saying our prayers in the grim cemetery of reality.
Reagalan made an excellent post about why your ideas and insistence on shoving a certain playstyle down the nullseccers collective throats is a bad idea. You might want to read that several times. The majority of nullsec hasn't pointed to anything. A loud minority, consisting mostly of your alliance is crying and pointing at all the wrong things, rest of the playerbase and devs laugh at your futile mongering. You're wrong, suck it up or just gtfo- there''s literally nobody that cares whether you unsub or not, but at least have the decency to shut up.
Taking a look at Deklein and taking a look at your post shows me that in the end, you will be the one who'll take up your well documented tradition of a) shutting up b) giving up c) quitting
Besides, this thread is a very good demonstrator just like all the sov threads and roundtables before that majority of sov null is against being forced to play this game in just a certain type of way and spend hours of grinding while doing so. Basically, your kind is a very small minority.
However, I do appreciate your candor for trying. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1807
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:50:37 -
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Warmeister wrote:Sjugar02 wrote: Would you like to explain to the uninformed masses why PL doesn't have or want sov and how this relates to you defending the new sov system?
what makes you think i'm speaking on behalf of PL? also what makes you think that me defending new sov has anything to do with me being in PL or with PL allegedly not having and not wanting sov?
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Captain StringfellowHawk
Forsaken Reavers Goonswarm Federation
193
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:52:41 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Galphii wrote:Consider prohibiting microwarpdrive use while entosis links are running I like this. 4km/s hard limit seems really random to me. What next? 100k EHP hard limit for T3 cruisers? 150km drone control range? 500 GJ/s capacitor regen when in triage?
The field from the Entosis link causes a Disruption to Warp field Generation (It already can't warp out under entosis.. so it follows that lore) disabling the ability for Micro warp drives to be activated in conjunction with the Link. |
Tallardar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
31
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:53:01 -
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Captain StringfellowHawk wrote: Back when every MAJOR power bloc started rolling out their own versions of Brave Dojo because they RESPECT how BNI was handling things.
Except those sort of channels and programs existed well before BRAVE was even a thing. Ask E-UNI, GOONs, TEST, or any of the other dozen or so new player friendly alliances about their newbie education systems. BRAVE didn't really invent anything that didn't already exist.
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Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
362
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:58:05 -
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Orca Platypus wrote:OldWolf69 wrote:Fozzie. What if ppl STILL won't come to TAKE the Sov effectively? Because they won't. WHY in the blue hell would you expose yourself to trolling, and spend a LOT of isk too, if you can be the troll, and this for peanuts? http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility This speaks for itself. You still think your game is kept alive by 2 trolling small gang runners? Or 2-3 forum yellers? or they are just a convenable way to justify bad decisions/total lack of imagination? ....saw a lot of imbecility in corporate ranks. A great lot. But this batch beats them all. I suppose this is because they had ENOUGH things to destroy. And the corporation owners do not give a **** about it. Once again: there is absolutely no real reasons to fight except the economical ones. Or trolling ones. EVERYBODY knows Sov is work, and will be actually worser after all this ****. THIS is a GAME, not a JOB. WE all know you CCP boyz are out of ideeas. Presuming you had some back in time. Ok, HIRE someone able to fix the sandbox. It does cost? Stupidity does cost a lot. CCP lost already more than a good team of Devs does cost. It's already REALLY close to a point of no return, for this game. Every change is fun for exactly 3 days here, like the orthodox wonders. Hallelujah! This is really bad posting, but I have to say it: Delicious subgewn tears. Less bot/multicast accs being bad? No, except if you're gewn, then yes. If holding sov makes you cry, you should not hold sov. Fairly obvious, unless your density is in "gewn or worse" range. If you think the troll has it so nice, why aren't you trolling yet? If a gewn/subgewn quits, good riddance. Can I have your stuff?
Obvious MoA shill forum alt detected, terrible spelling and lack of knowledge in English grammar made it obvious. 1/10 |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6576
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:59:16 -
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JetStream Drenard wrote:You prove my point for me. thank you. How do you stop a null sec from only fighting with a blob. you cant because it is part of their mentality. n+1, yada yada. Null sec needs to feel that it is special, important, relevant. super blobs.
Polarization is human nature of trying to be on a winning team and is only nerfable by putting severe limits on both corp and alliance size, yet there will always be ways around it. Null sec proved for 8 years that it would always find the way around everything to get what they want, and now they cant do it with fozzie sov. Fozzie sov was a good idea that was poorly implemented, even I know that. but it is still a great idea. Exactly! You can't. You seem to think these mechanics will do that and failing that "just one more nerf (tm)". Whatever system is in place and whoever leaves the game, the alliance level mechanics will always be rules by the players with the biggest stick. Groups will gravitate towards collaboration to overcome their enemies until we're back to exactly the same blob we have always had. The only question is will there even be a population left over when the dust settles.
One of the biggest draws to EVE were the massive space battles that ended up in the news all over the world. Those are now dead. How anyone can consider that a good thing I do not know.
And no, nullsec can still get around everything to get what they want, even with fozziesov. You realise fozziesov isn't hard to defend, right? It's easy to contest but it's difficult to take. The only difference now is that it's boring from both sides and far more frequent. The smaller groups were happy to live with that at first because the dull mechanics were a means to an end, their chance to fight back against the null powers. Now they are already bored and starting to post the same complaints as everyone else.
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Tallardar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2015.08.19 12:59:28 -
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Alp Khan wrote:Obvious MoA shill forum alt detected, terrible spelling and lack of knowledge in English grammar made it obvious. 1/10
Have you looked at the Legion of xXDeathXx posts? They're just as bad.
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bear mcgreedy
Shadow State The Bastion
12
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Posted - 2015.08.19 13:01:22 -
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Tallardar wrote:Alp Khan wrote:Obvious MoA shill forum alt detected, terrible spelling and lack of knowledge in English grammar made it obvious. 1/10 Have you looked at the Legion of xXDeathXx posts? They're just as bad.
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Aaron Kyoto
The Minutemen The Bastion
28
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Posted - 2015.08.19 13:01:37 -
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oodell wrote:Interceptors have been cancer since the day they were released. Not having counters for things in this game has been historically terrible, and right now a gang of interceptors has no counter if they don't want to get caught. Yes you can catch one or two if you're lucky and have the right ships, but the rest blow past you, and you have no way to catch up. Let HICs catch them already.
So Sabres and HICs are bad without Interceptors, since ships without counterplay are bad...?
Giving these changes a chance, personally with hopes they disable entosis on Interceptors and Cloaking ships. |
Arla Sarain
604
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Posted - 2015.08.19 13:01:42 -
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Non of this is productive.
Until a motivation to actually hold sov is established, any capture mechanics will always invite some incoherent philosophy regarding: what should be easier (capturing or holding) what assets should be required to engage in a sov conflict how much undocking should the defender require the logistics required to occupy out in sov, and consequently prod other groups in local or remote accommodations in order to insinuate a fight (also called content, because explorers, miners, manufacturers, and ratters are not real people. In fact, the "blood thirsty NS f1 wizards are the divine inheritors of all EVE content)
Majority of points in this thread are valid from their PoVs - some people are happy cos Aegis Sov is inviting PvP that those groups can participate in, without the forced commitment to an encounter where they are blobbed. Others hate it for the amount of chasing it requires, which diverts from the actual monopolisation of "their" sov. Third are still bitter they can't base out in relative safe pastures and then snap their fingers to deploy to the other side of the map to gank a ratting carrier. Elite pvpers and such.
Wanna bet if owning sov deposited ISK into corp wallet which would then fund the alliance SRP (that is if your corp really matters), then chasing trollceptros around wouldn't be such a big deal? Also rat bounty tax. |
Cati
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2015.08.19 13:01:42 -
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Alp Khan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.19 13:01:44 -
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SilentAsTheGrave wrote:Reagalan wrote:The only solution to the problems of Fozziesov is to scrap the whole thing, return to Dominion sov, and iterate upon a proven system. Ah yes. Where goons reigned supreme with the Blob or GTFO tactics on, well on everything. How about no.
It is actually Brave that tried to, but failed most of the time, to reign supreme through blobbing everything. But since that irony did not strike you at all before posting, what are the chances of your character being an alt of some other player that is unrelated to null sov? |
Tallardar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2015.08.19 13:02:31 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:One of the biggest draws to EVE were the massive space battles that ended up in the news all over the world. Those are now dead.
The last time any major space battle was reported by non-gaming sites focusing on EVE was in February 2014. That was 18 months ago and no one has even tried or attempted to create another major battle on that scale between then and now.
bear mcgreedy wrote:Tallardar wrote:Alp Khan wrote:Obvious MoA shill forum alt detected, terrible spelling and lack of knowledge in English grammar made it obvious. 1/10 Have you looked at the Legion of xXDeathXx posts? They're just as bad. thats because they're hammered on vodka
That's racist.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.19 13:04:06 -
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Just read the original post. All of that sounds great till you realize that the underlying system is the thing that is bad, not individual mechanics or issues.
The problem is that this system is tantamount to CCP going "you know what, screw it" after 12 years of advertising huge space battles. Now we have a system to bends null sec into a crappier copy of faction warfare low sec.
They literally took a system that could be equal parts boredom (structure grinding) and Epicness and made it ALL boring (and then counted that as a win). I thought the change (ie massive over-reaction) from POS based sov to dominion was bad, but this one is worse, at least Dominion preserved the spirit of 0.0 space fighting.
This new system is EASIER to defend, my wallets have never been so fat from null sec isk, but Aegis SOV has sucked the 'awesome' out of the game. For some reason, some people think the opposition is about not liking change, or not wanting to adapt, or losing. But we HAVE all adapted , and no one of consequence has lost anything..
Dominion was only occasionally fun (while being heart breaking, I was in NCDot when Goons kicked us out of Tribute, didn't want that region anyways), Aegis is no fun at all..
In the grand scheme of life it's not a big deal however, and hell, we survived 6 years of the badness that was Dominion, we can survive another 6 years till CCP realizes that this one sucks too...undoubtedly after more inevitable personnel changes lol. But the ability to survive a bad situation doesn't make that situation any less bad. |
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