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Jenshae Chiroptera
2263
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Posted - 2015.08.25 01:19:42 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset. .... EVE isn't new, thus it won't get enough new players. It would lose too many current ones. It won't happen.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Dror
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.08.25 01:23:54 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Limited alternatives mean limited player base. This is a lot more truth than what might seem obvious. It's supposed to be a sandbox, with progression and freedom.
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@ this sort of odd banter, it would make more sense if the argument was about actually doing something in-game for the equivalent of SP; but the mechanic is just arbitrary gating. There's no motivation in a set queue, because there's no reward for any amount of play.
No socialization because of low character value? SP problem. Gameplay doesn't seem open, and thus competitive, because all of the depth is behind worthless limitations? SP problem. Stations are empty because of limited industry SP? Sov is unchallenged because of limited character and, thus, corp progression?
Yet these are all main criticisms of the game with no other obvious fix. The gameplay is fun enough, for any niche including marketing and advanced ship maneuvers (that the game is basically a 3D ARPG), yet playing any interesting role well is behind a completely preposterous amount of non-gameplay. |
Alex Grison
Grison Industrial Group
926
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Posted - 2015.08.25 03:51:01 -
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I think im about to reset.
yes
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6818
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Posted - 2015.08.25 03:54:19 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset.
The rest of you:
Don't worry, we'll pick you up on the next lap. Heh, being picked up by Intrepid Crossing would be interesting that's for sure...
Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall.
We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
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Artistul
Meet The Fockers Brothers of Tangra
9
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Posted - 2015.08.25 06:54:35 -
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I guess you should ask CCP to create a new server. If they agree, you can go play there and I promise I won't interfere. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
318
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Posted - 2015.08.25 07:47:47 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset.
The rest of you:
Don't worry, we'll pick you up on the next lap.
self proclaimed prophets of EVE, teach us, show us why you are right, so we can listen once then forget it as quick as we can, we've better things to do than read the screams of doom within every post you can ram one in.
a reset would mean nothing! the leaders we have currently throughout the alliances would just reform within 24 hours and take their shite back, within 6 months they'd be more or less in control of what they need, within 1 year they'd be right back on track.
or do you guys believe everyone will follow you and you can create a much better empire than everyone else. ya know we've all had our fair share of wannabe leaders and backseat fc's who always know better than everyone else.
so let's try keep in mind how this relationship works yea
CCP provides the sandbox.
WE the players provide the content.
you can't reset this sandbox without removing the content providers (the players)
so yea,,,, you wanna take a guess on what i think of that bolloxology |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
2662
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Posted - 2015.08.25 08:43:44 -
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Feawen wrote:I've been thinking about it a LOT, and I have come to a simple conclusion to a lot of the problems currently happening: Reset the clock.
If you reset everything, titans and supers would be years away from reach for everyone, alliances and groups would reset, and the whole thing would be a healthy reboot IMO.
What say the general eve community?
I dont think trolling is allowed on the forums At least I hope it was or you have more serious issues.
DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2015.08.25 09:40:13 -
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Should EVE online be reset?
If it was I wouldn't lose much in terms of sp, in fact it could benefit me.
But to answer your question,no, it should not be reset.
Main reason being the game evolves, player empires come and go the history is made by the players. If you reset, when would you reset the next time after a year. If you reset one time there's nothing stopping you from resetting again at a later date. |
Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising
190
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Posted - 2015.08.25 10:54:58 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:it's nice to see that the people who understand what's really going on are all coming to the same conclusion that EvE needs to be reset.
The rest of you:
Don't worry, we'll pick you up on the next lap.
I guess you are talking about the weirdos who have no clue, energy and patience to deal with EVE. Apart from that this discussion is absolutely senseless because CCP won't reset the game never ever. That's for sure. Don't worry, I'll show you the way to the next exit.
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Pixel Piracy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.08.25 11:41:26 -
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Forgive me if I am repeating an already proposed idea - I did not have the patience to sit through and read all of the posts in this thread.
This is a tough one. I think a hard reset would be a bit of a kick in the face to seasoned players, however what about introducing a massive event in which high-population 0.0 space is assaulted by an almost overwhelming force? Let them go down in a blaze of glory rather than just resetting everything. |
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H Zub
Alcohol Fuelled
0
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Posted - 2015.08.25 11:49:44 -
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A reset to what the database was anywhere between 2003 - 2005. Hell yeah!
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
12191
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Posted - 2015.08.25 13:06:37 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:... How then do you explain those of us from the SAME 'external' circumstances... Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:... external circumstances ... internal will ... How do you explain the greater propensity for violent crime from poor backgrounds?
I can't answer that without directly violating a forum rule (damn those rules). At the same time i realize that a person of your...beleifs.. won't accept it anyways, I've never known a "oh your poor victims" type to ever change their minds about anything, even when it's clear that while you types might mean well, what you end up doing (in real life, maybe even in the game) ends up hurting more than helping.
If you look at the basic, core, underlying reasons for 'fozzie-sov' (basically trying to 'stick it to the man' and 'level the playing field for the small guy', both of which have failed), you'll see a very clear in game example of what I'm talking about.
The perpetual 'small guys' and 'solo' types are people who lack the personal tools , will and motivation to become the (or join existing) 'big' guys (and then blamed this internal lack on an external situation.. the sov system....), no amount of gerrymandering SOV can deal with the actual problem (which is the INTERNAL preferences of the 'small guys') while the attempt to do something has done little but discourage a good number of 'big group' players who previously were perfectly at home in null (despite their complaining about 'blue donuts' and 'stagnation') because fozzie sov is just 'imported FW'.
A Reset would be the same thing,. only more extreme. The people who fail now (and blame it on 'entrenched wealthy bitter vets) would be the same people in a rest EVE as they are now: Willing to blame outside forces for failures that come from inside (them) thus never learning the lessons of their failures (which is a key to success). Their habits would lead them to the same end state: fail.
Meanwhile, in Reset EVE, the people who are rich and powerful (and got rich and powerful by being not just ruthless and cunning, but also responsible and accountable, at least to themselves) would just find new ways to stick it to the above mentioned stupid/victim types, and within less than a month the old status quo would return, with Haves having and Have-nots blaming stuff that has nothing to do with why they are have-nots.
TL;DR, people don't change, changing the crap around them is meaningless. You can take a hood-rat out of the ghetto, you can't take the ghetto out of the hood-rat.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2264
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Posted - 2015.08.25 13:43:04 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:... If you look at the basic, core, underlying reasons for 'fozzie-sov' (basically trying to 'stick it to the man' and 'level the playing field for the small guy', both of which have failed), you'll see a very clear in game example of what I'm talking about. ... I think Fozzie SOV has exposed the fact that people don't want SOV. There has been a distinct lack of even attempts on SOV. Simply an almost zero interest factor.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Dror
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.08.25 13:48:10 -
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This whole idea is undermining the validity of SP as a problem for gameplay. Last I checked, the best progression in a video game (especially an MMO) is not money but gameplay. It's of very little conversational value that corps would rejoin in a reset, except that there is very little cause for one beyond advertising and increased competitive gameplay (little, because the same effect can be accomplished by SP disappearing).
Fresh, non-stale gameplay is an SP problem. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5990619#post5990619 |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
5759
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Posted - 2015.08.25 15:18:58 -
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The forum rules say trolling is prohibited, OP.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2265
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Posted - 2015.08.25 15:19:21 -
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Dror wrote:... This whole idea is undermining the validity of SP as a problem for gameplay. ... I like that even when I am too busy or not in the mood, my character is progressing in the time that I have paid for the account. I like that I don't have to grind out XP. It is probably the largest reason that I avoid most other MMOs these days.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2133
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Posted - 2015.08.25 15:26:26 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:... How then do you explain those of us from the SAME 'external' circumstances... Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:... external circumstances ... internal will ... How do you explain the greater propensity for violent crime from poor backgrounds? I can't answer that without directly violating a forum rule (damn those rules). At the same time i realize that a person of your...beleifs.. won't accept it anyways, I've never known a "oh your poor victims" type to ever change their minds about anything, even when it's clear that while you types might mean well, what you end up doing (in real life, maybe even in the game) ends up hurting more than helping. If you look at the basic, core, underlying reasons for 'fozzie-sov' (basically trying to 'stick it to the man' and 'level the playing field for the small guy', both of which have failed), you'll see a very clear in game example of what I'm talking about. The perpetual 'small guys' and 'solo' types are people who lack the personal tools , will and motivation to become the (or join existing) 'big' guys (and then blamed this internal lack on an external situation.. the sov system....), no amount of gerrymandering SOV can deal with the actual problem (which is the INTERNAL preferences of the 'small guys') while the attempt to do something has done little but discourage a good number of 'big group' players who previously were perfectly at home in null (despite their complaining about 'blue donuts' and 'stagnation') because fozzie sov is just 'imported FW'. A Reset would be the same thing,. only more extreme. The people who fail now (and blame it on 'entrenched wealthy bitter vets) would be the same people in a rest EVE as they are now: Willing to blame outside forces for failures that come from inside (them) thus never learning the lessons of their failures (which is a key to success). Their habits would lead them to the same end state: fail. Meanwhile, in Reset EVE, the people who are rich and powerful (and got rich and powerful by being not just ruthless and cunning, but also responsible and accountable, at least to themselves) would just find new ways to stick it to the above mentioned stupid/victim types, and within less than a month the old status quo would return, with Haves having and Have-nots blaming stuff that has nothing to do with why they are have-nots. TL;DR, people don't change, changing the crap around them is meaningless. You can take a hood-rat out of the ghetto, you can't take the ghetto out of the hood-rat.
The real problem is they never accept that this is the problem. No matter how you explain it to them, it's never the real reason. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
912
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Posted - 2015.08.25 15:38:40 -
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Yeah, if they reset the server, myself and likely many others would just quit playing. 50 mil SP is no joke to get back.
Also, myself and those people would not have stuffs for you to haves. |
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.08.25 15:49:48 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Dror wrote:... This whole idea is undermining the validity of SP as a problem for gameplay. ... I like that even when I am too busy or not in the mood, my character is progressing in the time that I have paid for the account. I like that I don't have to grind out XP. It is probably the largest reason that I avoid most other MMOs these days. OK, but that's no gameplay. Thus, the positives of being rewarded for non-play provide no explanation for the negatives from limitations *on* play. |
Colman Dietmar
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
56
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Posted - 2015.08.25 15:51:35 -
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Reset all the things, it's the only answer! |
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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
4
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Posted - 2015.08.25 16:03:03 -
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Well, this will solve herontocracy problem for a time being. Also, this will help to get rid of gimmicks like t2 bpos and finally ditch abominations like mines. There are few concerns though. 1)"Community-borns" (Gewns and other big meanies) will get back in power in no time, meeting no match outside other "community-borns". Because most of their comms are outside the house anyway. 2)Wild market fluctuations unprotected by any kind of buffer. Who will prevail? Again, big meanies like gewns. |
Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2015.08.30 13:12:03 -
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Sneaks into the topic, places a Smartbomb
..../warps out
EVEBoard ...Just over 26million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
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Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
289
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Posted - 2015.08.30 13:16:39 -
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Eve is long overdue for a new engine. All they can do is reskin old mechanics, and call it "new content"
New engine first, then reset. |
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2015.08.30 13:51:12 -
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Snagletooth Johnson wrote:New engine first, then reset. Most development studios would say that anything possible with a fresh engine is possible as is.
The problem with EvE is that actually editing the code is apparently problematic because of documentation. It seems humorous how many games with modding get thousands of pages of mods but no fan, engine port -- especially with all of the free engines worth implementing (and the limitations on modding with most games). |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8339
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Posted - 2015.08.30 13:53:07 -
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RESET FEAWAN
[b]----
CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1087
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Posted - 2015.08.30 17:16:23 -
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I have removed a few posts. Please ensure you're contributing to the discussion and not contributing to the drivel...
Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
23. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.
ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Whitehound
2881
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Posted - 2015.08.30 18:49:49 -
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No.
Doing the same thing again and expecting a different outcome would be insane.
The game is a living, changing thing. If you are having regrets then do something different.
Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
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Feawen
Adversity. Psychotic Tendencies.
41
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Posted - 2015.08.30 19:24:22 -
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I mean sure it's a living thing, but a lot of games go through a reset and come out on the better end. I am not sure why EVE should be considered different. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13489
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Posted - 2015.08.30 19:29:37 -
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Whitehound wrote:No.
Doing the same thing again and expecting a different outcome would be insane.
The game is a living, changing thing. If you are having regrets then do something different.
I don't think the resetters want a reset for a different outcome, I'm pretty sure they are wanting a repeat on early PLEX prices of ~200m isk so they can play for free with minimum effort. If 90% of the existing players uninstall over it, well a small price to pay for their PLEX.
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Johan Civire
Flux Technologies Inc Gentlemen's.Parlor
960
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Posted - 2015.08.30 19:57:32 -
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If you want to reset then i want my money back for couple of 7 years pronta. + te extra kost of wasted time i spend in eve so how about NO? |
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