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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
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Posted - 2015.08.23 01:50:04 -
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Neph
Operation Meatshield
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Posted - 2015.08.23 07:39:17 -
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I mourn the untimely death of a spectacular woman and ruler. Whatever her true motives were for doing so, she had done more against Amarr's culture of slavery than any Emperor or Empress before her. I doubt it'll be anytime soon that we'll see another head of the Empire with whom we'll have such a chance of resolving Amarr's slaving practices as we did with here. From her moderating presence on the Amarrian state to her remarkable feats of statesmanship, Jamyl was a woman I am not afraid to say I admire.
I rejoice at the blow struck to the Empire, the death of its Empress, and the death of a woman who possibly has singlehandedly killed more Matari than any person living or dead. I will mock and revile the name of the woman who, through her hubris in obtaining, using, and hiding her forbidden superweapon, nearly caused the Blooders to wield unfathomable power and who did cause the sacrifice of a caravan and the death of Seyllin. She caused the wormholes--how ironic that Drifters killed her!
I pray we'll work together to secure us against the threat of the Drifters. To be honest? I'm terrified. It's beyond comprehension that they could execute the head of the Empire in Safizon. Where was CONCORD? Could they have even done anything?
If there's one answer I want, it's: "Why the Empress?" |
Tabris Katz
New Moon Harvesters
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Posted - 2015.08.23 09:23:51 -
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Terranid Meester wrote: I urge our Federation leaders to make good with agreement and an alliance with these Drifters. We can come to an understanding with them!
Come to an understanding with Drifters? Are you mad?! From my understanding they aren't even capable of communication because of their implants. How can we hope to communicate with them? From what I've seen the only interactions the Cluster has had with the Drifters has been aggression (justified or unjustified) and cold silent scanning.
Either way, I agree Andreus Ixiris. The Gallente Federation needs to stand with the Amarrian Empire in this time of need, in fact I feel that all four nations should stand together against this new threat. We don't know the Drifters numbers or their objectives. Right now evidence would suggest they Empire is main target but, the Federation, the Republic or even the State could be next? Why wait until one nation is destroy? Why not strike as one might hammer with the force all four nations behind it?
With that said, the Empire is morning and we should all give them a wide berth. As for myself, my in-laws (whom are Amarrian) have invited me to suspend my personal investigations and join them at their estate on Sigga IX for a funeral service honoring the Empress. I intend to be there. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1933
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Posted - 2015.08.23 09:33:22 -
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Rauour Engil wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I really hoped that she will return, as she did it before. Unfortunately, the Empire stated otherwise. Sad day indeed. She died... even if she comes back she is no longer Empress... Sacred Flesh and all ? I don't want to.. well.. upset anyone.. but there's a potential debate about sacred flesh if you roll back to her becoming Empress in the first place, and, well, she died with Slave implants in her head so, certainly had the capacity to be cloned, or her consciousness preserved in a VR similar to the sleepers. That's the case isn't it or have I been reading works of fiction? They said she is dead... At the same time she was flying a capsule, not being a captain in a bridge. Everyone saw it.
Religious debates aside. If she is dead, it means capsule operation was disrupted. Was it the effect of Drifter weapons? Concerning thought, isn't it? |
Lord Kailethre
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
255
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Posted - 2015.08.23 09:41:29 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Rauour Engil wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I really hoped that she will return, as she did it before. Unfortunately, the Empire stated otherwise. Sad day indeed. She died... even if she comes back she is no longer Empress... Sacred Flesh and all ? I don't want to.. well.. upset anyone.. but there's a potential debate about sacred flesh if you roll back to her becoming Empress in the first place, and, well, she died with Slave implants in her head so, certainly had the capacity to be cloned, or her consciousness preserved in a VR similar to the sleepers. That's the case isn't it or have I been reading works of fiction? They said she is dead... At the same time she was flying a capsule, not being a captain in a bridge. Everyone saw it. Religious debates aside. If she is dead, it means capsule operation was disrupted. Was it the effect of Drifter weapons? Concerning thought, isn't it?
Capsule technology and cloning are NOT the same thing. You can fly a capsule without having ever cloned before. In fact all of the heirs of the last succession trials were capsule pilots. None were clones. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1183
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Posted - 2015.08.23 09:50:32 -
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Tabris Katz wrote:Terranid Meester wrote: I urge our Federation leaders to make good with agreement and an alliance with these Drifters. We can come to an understanding with them!
Come to an understanding with Drifters? Are you mad?! From my understanding they aren't even capable of communication because of their implants. How can we hope to communicate with them? From what I've seen the only interactions the Cluster has had with the Drifters has been aggression (justified or unjustified) and cold silent scanning.
Don't be daft. They can generate CONCORD-compliant IDENT codes. Thus, they're capable of transmitting data. That's communication. They can communicate with us, we can communicate with them. They just don't want to.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4179
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Posted - 2015.08.23 11:43:36 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Verin, you're back! Finally! Now we can start making some real progress on this. Get in contact with me - there's work to be done, if you're interested.
Would it upset you terribly if I'm not?
It has nothing to do with you old friend but I have only finite energies and attention, which is already spread wide and shallow over far too many projects. I simply lack the time and capacity to take on any more.
Not to seem complacent, but in the twelve-and-counting years of the Empyrean age, we've faced apparently existential threats on what seems like an almost annual basis, and I've learned the humility to not assume that I will be able to single-handedly rescue the human race from this month's dire peril.
I'm not a leader: I'm an engineer, an investor, a source of wealth and resources and occasionally good advice. If it's all the same to you, I will prefer to stay in that role for now.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
5733
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Posted - 2015.08.23 11:57:13 -
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Existential threats? Not really. We haven't faced anything this big before. I'm trying to work a lot of angles here, and I need a lot of help doing it. I don't think I can save the world all by myself, Verin - that's why I need friends.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Rauour Engil
Rabies Inc.
9
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Posted - 2015.08.23 17:36:30 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Existential threats? Not really. We haven't faced anything this big before. I'm trying to work a lot of angles here, and I need a lot of help doing it. I don't think I can save the world all by myself, Verin - that's why I need friends. So, people have pointed out that capsule and cloning tech are different which I thought was well understood but during the last succession she didn't commit ShatholSyn did she? Was there ever any proof as to how she got away from that situation? I remember there might have been a rumour that she had been cloned? Honestly I don't remember the details as I was living in unfortunate circumstances at that time in Delve, and, it's not my interest in provoking a theological debate I'm just wondering if she's really dead and if she was/is all she seemed? If she was considered a possible existential threat by SoCT then perhaps that's why the drifters specifically targeted her?
As I mentioned I was living in Delve when all of this started. Actually I was a captive and stuck planetside in the service of some of those that died in T-IPZB when the Empress first tested the Isogen-5 based weapon. No one knew what the hell had happened and I wasn't in a position to know anything tactical but I wonder what CONCORD's Inner Circle and SoCT actually know now about her? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1213
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Posted - 2015.08.23 17:38:15 -
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Rauour Engil wrote:during the last succession she didn't commit ShatholSyn did she? Was there ever any proof as to how she got away from that situation? I remember there might have been a rumour that she had been cloned?
From what I've found in the records, she was listed as having committed ritual suicide, yes. Which is why her return was considered a miracle by some, and evidence of cloning by others.
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Rauour Engil
Rabies Inc.
9
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Posted - 2015.08.23 18:07:12 -
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Arrendis wrote:Rauour Engil wrote:during the last succession she didn't commit ShatholSyn did she? Was there ever any proof as to how she got away from that situation? I remember there might have been a rumour that she had been cloned? From what I've found in the records, she was listed as having committed ritual suicide, yes. Which is why her return was considered a miracle by some, and evidence of cloning by others. and if she did die, didn't get cloned, and subsequently came back, then she certainly would be an existential threat to the way we understand life.... generally :)
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Gaufres
Just Keep Hanging On
63
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Posted - 2015.08.23 20:04:48 -
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Until I see a State Funeral and a Body, and an Official Pronouncement from the Theology Council that she actually died, I am going to assume Empress Jamyl is still alive and accessing the situation. The Drifter forces think they have killed her, let them drop their guard. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1217
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Posted - 2015.08.23 21:46:07 -
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So the official statement by the Chamberlain and the announcement of succession trials isn't enough? |
Tabris Katz
New Moon Harvesters
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Posted - 2015.08.24 02:24:09 -
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Arrendis wrote:So the official statement by the Chamberlain and the announcement of succession trials isn't enough?
In dark times some people will believe any theory (no matter how wild) over sound evidence to the contrary. |
Lord Kailethre
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
259
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Posted - 2015.08.24 04:33:43 -
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Gaufres wrote:Until I see a State Funeral and a Body, and an Official Pronouncement from the Theology Council that she actually died, I am going to assume Empress Jamyl is still alive and accessing the situation. The Drifter forces think they have killed her, let them drop their guard.
The Theology Council does not handle matters of state like this. The Imperial Chamberlain has already made his statement on the matter and declared the coming succession trials. |
Leon Zhost
Zhost Industries
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Posted - 2015.08.24 04:44:35 -
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Praise Yetamo. Here in Gulfondi the bars of the Republic Fleet station are still filled with Sebs and Brutors and Vheks drinking and celebrating the death of this damn woman. And I'm buying them all the next round.
She got what she deserved. And before any Gallente intellectuals try telling me that I'm being insensitive, let me remind you that millions of my people are still dying in chains in that prison of an empire. I celebrate the downfall of any Amarr who has profited off the suffering of my brothers and sisters. I just wish the Drifters had put a leash around her neck first.
Cheers. |
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
412
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Posted - 2015.08.24 04:46:11 -
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Gaufres wrote:Until I see a State Funeral and a Body, and an Official Pronouncement from the Theology Council that she actually died, I am going to assume Empress Jamyl is still alive and accessing the situation. The Drifter forces think they have killed her, let them drop their guard.
Earlier today, members of the summit had a publicly broadcast meeting to discuss the events that unfolded Saturday. Representatives of the elite corporation that controls the fluid routers stated undeniably that Jamyl was indeed dead. Network capsule link had confirmed she was in command of the pod controlling the seraph and that said pod was destroyed but had no concious transfer occur.
The full recording of the summit can be found on this independent public holonet.
Note however they also say that their investigation so far has yielded no clues to the corpse's location. Only that it's location is "Unknown"
It is tragic, but the representative statements are informed enough that I would call it undeniable. They also address that the previous connection signals that people found through locators was a glitch in the neocom system that can occur. |
Hendar Attor
New Eden Cultural Exchange Advent of Fate
3
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Posted - 2015.08.24 05:08:10 -
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I...
I understand that our peoples, the Minmatar and Amarr, have had our "differences". I certainly hold no love for the Amarr people myself.
But I wish to offer my condolences. Empress Sarum was a leader, the only one in hisec I felt I could respect. The news of her death shocked me, saddened me, and, were it not for my own obligations to my comrades, I would gladly take up arms and assist in avenging it.
As it is, I will... pray for her, and you. Or try to. I've... I don't really have a whole lot experience with this whole "religion" thing. |
Lord Kailethre
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
260
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Posted - 2015.08.24 07:21:20 -
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Hendar Attor wrote:I...
I understand that our peoples, the Minmatar and Amarr, have had our "differences". I certainly hold no love for the Amarr people myself.
But I wish to offer my condolences. Empress Sarum was a leader, the only one in hisec I felt I could respect. The news of her death shocked me, saddened me, and, were it not for my own obligations to my comrades, I would gladly take up arms and assist in avenging it.
As it is, I will... pray for her, and you. Or try to. I've... I don't really have a whole lot experience with this whole "religion" thing.
As one of the very few matari to express not only a non-hostile opinion, but indeed a positive one, you have my gracious thanks. |
Math'ra Hiede
Trinity's Vanguard
34
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Posted - 2015.08.24 07:49:38 -
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Lord Kailethre wrote:Hendar Attor wrote:I...
I understand that our peoples, the Minmatar and Amarr, have had our "differences". I certainly hold no love for the Amarr people myself.
But I wish to offer my condolences. Empress Sarum was a leader, the only one in hisec I felt I could respect. The news of her death shocked me, saddened me, and, were it not for my own obligations to my comrades, I would gladly take up arms and assist in avenging it.
As it is, I will... pray for her, and you. Or try to. I've... I don't really have a whole lot experience with this whole "religion" thing. As one of the very few matari to express not only a non-hostile opinion, but indeed a positive one, you have my gracious thanks.
I as well, find this tone a refreshing and welcome one.
I know not of you pilot, but I wish you well for your grace and kindness, I think many pilots, of all heritages should take note of this man. |
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