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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1048
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:18:46 -
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Oh, the proper mouthbreathers have finally arrived.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
358
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:23:14 -
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Jili Tonari wrote: Screw it. I'm glad she's dead! She was no friend to the Matari. She was, at best, a living PR stunt.
No abolition, no peace.
She was in fact the best Friend to the Matari that ever ruled the Empire. It was her words that were moving toward ending the age of slavery. Toward that abolition.
I was ashamed I could not do anything to prevent her death, but not as ashamed as at the actions and words of my fellow Matari.
She did more to end slavery in the Empire than any one person of any race since the rebellion. This knee-jerk blindness from the Republic is exactly why the other nations look down on us as a people. You are so caught up in your hatred of all things Amarrian that you have been blinded to the fact you are celebrating a dark day for the Republic, the Slaves still in the Empire, and everyone in New Eden as well.
Shakor is actually blind and even he can see the truth of this. Look to your San Matar as an example!
CONCORD sees it, the rest of new Eden sees it.
I say again, these blind and loud few DO NOT speak for all Matari
-áFear The Tribes
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Deitra Vess
Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel
582
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:28:52 -
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Jili Tonari wrote:Wait a second,
The Amarr spent the last several centuries enslaving, raping and killing our people and some of you get down on this message because it's crass and disrespectful?
F*ck that! What respect do we owe these people? How is it they get to slaughter our people and our culture but have to play nice because their leader got ganked?
Screw it. I'm glad she's dead! She was no friend to the Matari. She was, at best, a living PR stunt.
Hey, I heard a new one. How many Amarr does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Answer: Doesn't matter, the Drifters will just come along and pop it anyways.
First rule for a baby pilot is that you're not safe the second you undock and never fly something you can't afford to lose. The Empress was too stupid to understand that and got her slaving ass blown up for it.
Yeah, the Drifters are a severe threat for everyone. I get that. We got lots of them in our skies. But I'm not gonna cry because they happened to kill the ***** that destroyed the Elder Fleet.
Boo hoo Amarr, you lost your leader. Maybe getting your ***** murdered will give you some perspective for when you murder my people.
Zero regrets. Zero respect.
No abolition, no peace.
We don't owe them a thing. We owe to ourselves to conduct ourselves with some form of dignity. If we are to better ourselves in any meaningful way, maybe we should learn to walk upright first. Did our kin kill her? No an alien force did who may I remind you has a presence in our home as well. It's hardly a victory, we didn't do a thing. Gloating about this doesn't really suit us, why people seem to think it does is beyond my comprehension. I'm not saying I'm sad about her death, really I don't know what to make of it because I'm looking beyond the sheet of glass instead of focusing on the smudge on the window pane.
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Jili Tonari
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
137
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:59:41 -
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Kithrus wrote:Jili Tonari wrote:Wait a second,
No abolition, no peace. And the one person who was making that possible just died. Thank you for your kind respect little one.
Oh please.
Your Emperor/Empress is the totalitarian leader of your government and your religion. If Jamyl had any real interest in abolition she would have done it and you would have had to follow along.
She could have, she didn't. I'm not going to whine about what could have been because in the end she did nothing. In fact, she just recently called us a, "lesser race who remain unwilling to accept their true place as servants of His will."
And for my Brothers and Sisters, stop being apologists. Stop with the slave mentality of fearing to make these people angry or upset. They do not deserve our respect. They do not deserve our honor. They do not deserve our compassion. They are evil. Calling them what they are and reveling in their tears does not make you a lesser person because of who they are, what they are and what they do to us on a daily basis. We Matari have a right to be proud.
The Amarr culture is a culture of bullies. A new, bigger bully just came into the schoolyard and gave the first one a bloody nose. But we should feel sorry for them? No. We protect our own from the Drifters and we remember that we still have our people enslaved over there.
No abolition, no peace.
They are a dying race. Let them die.
GÇ£Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.GÇ¥
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5434
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:37:25 -
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Jili Tonari wrote:
The Amarr culture is a culture of bullies. A new, bigger bully just came into the schoolyard and gave the first one a bloody nose. But we should feel sorry for them? No. We protect our own from the Drifters and we remember that we still have our people enslaved over there.
No abolition, no peace.
They are a dying race. Let them die.
The Drifters are NOT the Jove, Tonari, they have displayed no love, sympathy or even empathy for anything that is human and they have just alpha'd the Head of the largest state in New Eden whilst she was piloting the largest vessel in New Eden and being protected by the largest fleet in New Eden.
Politics aside, if this does anything other than concern you then you're a moron.
Instead of mouthing tired clliche, why don't you give some thought to what would happen if the Drifters "came for your people"?
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Jili Tonari
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
140
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:54:03 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Jili Tonari wrote:
The Amarr culture is a culture of bullies. A new, bigger bully just came into the schoolyard and gave the first one a bloody nose. But we should feel sorry for them? No. We protect our own from the Drifters and we remember that we still have our people enslaved over there.
No abolition, no peace.
They are a dying race. Let them die.
The Drifters are NOT the Jove, Tonari, they have displayed no love, sympathy or even empathy for anything that is human and they have just alpha'd the Head of the largest state in New Eden whilst she was piloting the largest vessel in New Eden and being protected by the largest fleet in New Eden. Politics aside, if this does anything other than concern you then you're a moron. Instead of mouthing tired clliche, why don't you give some thought to what would happen if the Drifters "came for your people"?
Heya pal,
We recognize the threat, and we're not blind to their capabilities. But like Shakor said, we don't really see them as a threat to us right now. We're more concerned for our people in Amarr.
Having the biggest ship and the biggest fleet ain't gonna be how these Drifters are beat. So yeah, it's a concern, but our immediate enemy just got donkey punched in the nuts, so I'm going to enjoy that for what it is.
I said before, in another thread. They come for us, we find a way to survive. We do for our own and we resist. We got lots of experience prevailing against superior tech, numbers and firepower. It's not how many time we get knocked down, it's how many times we get back up right? Your ship go boom, you get in another ship, undock and keep fighting.
(Just lost my first the other day. Poor lil Rifter. But I reshipped and got back out there.)
Hey, who's signing your paychecks now? Better cash 'em before the banks get closed.
GÇ£Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves.GÇ¥
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2161
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:58:33 -
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And people wonder why we call them animals...
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Mizhara Del'thul
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
410
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:59:29 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Jili Tonari wrote:
The Amarr culture is a culture of bullies. A new, bigger bully just came into the schoolyard and gave the first one a bloody nose. But we should feel sorry for them? No. We protect our own from the Drifters and we remember that we still have our people enslaved over there.
No abolition, no peace.
They are a dying race. Let them die.
The Drifters are NOT the Jove, Tonari, they have displayed no love, sympathy or even empathy for anything that is human and they have just alpha'd the Head of the largest state in New Eden whilst she was piloting the largest vessel in New Eden and being protected by the largest fleet in New Eden. Politics aside, if this does anything other than concern you then you're a moron. Instead of mouthing tired clliche, why don't you give some thought to what would happen if the Drifters "came for your people"?
We're already dealing with one Empire trying to eradicate our culture and our people. Adding another doesn't change what we have, what we can do or what we have to do. The Empress or Empire does not have our people's interests in mind, Drifters or not. Surrendering to the Empire won't protect our people against the Drifters or Empire, so our priorities remain unchanged.
This really shouldn't come as such a surprise. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1154
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:05:44 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Now look what you've done. You've made Nauplius perturbed.
And when Nauplius is perturbed, millions of Minmatar die.
You really need to stop buying into the idea that he's at all competent. The last tower he put up, he claimed there were tens of thousands of slaves - there were five thousand. He can't even math.
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Sinti Vailatti
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
26
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:24:50 -
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Just sayin,
But if you don't want us to be called a "lesser race who remain unwilling to accept their true place as servants of His will," maybe you should stop acting like one?
Jamyl gave us a chance to be better as a people, whether we live in Amarr or outside it, she was willing to free Matari who had grown, was willing and determined to help all of us, all people everywhere. Her life was cut short before she could complete that work.
Dancing on her grave doesn't make you a proud Matari, it makes you a willful, spoiled little child. |
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2452
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:25:57 -
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Arrendis wrote:You really need to stop buying into the idea that he's at all competent. The last tower he put up, he claimed there were tens of thousands of slaves - there were five thousand. He can't even math.
There were five thousand left. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
982
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:26:56 -
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Arrendis wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Now look what you've done. You've made Nauplius perturbed.
And when Nauplius is perturbed, millions of Minmatar die. You really need to stop buying into the idea that he's at all competent. The last tower he put up, he claimed there were tens of thousands of slaves - there were five thousand. He can't even math.
Competency seems to come in waves.
A while ago he was exploding freighters stuffed full of unfortunate slaves. He might take that up again.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1160
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:37:08 -
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Ayallah wrote:I was ashamed I could not do anything to prevent her death
Don't be. That was ninety-five simultaneous doomsdays, possibly more (going frame-by-frame through the footage, 95 is the minimum I come up with). The Seraph, passive-fit as it likely was, probably wouldn't have survived ten. Absolutely none of the logistics pilots present - including the Aeon crews - should feel themselves responsible in the slightest.
But remember: we've never seen a Lux fire twice. Even when engaged for hours. These Drifters shoot their load, and they're done. If the Empires would be willing to lower their jamming arrays during prolonged incursions by these Drifters, any of the nullsec blocs could easily provide enough firepower to remove them in very short order. If the Empire wants help, then it should allow that help to reach it.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:The Drifters are NOT the Jove, Tonari, they have displayed no love, sympathy or even empathy for anything that is human and they have just alpha'd the Head of the largest state in New Eden whilst she was piloting the largest vessel in New Eden and being protected by the largest fleet in New Eden.
Politics aside, if this does anything other than concern you then you're a moron.
Instead of mouthing tired clliche, why don't you give some thought to what would happen if the Drifters "came for your people"?
No.
No, she was piloting what appears to have been a normal Promethean titan, not the Empire's Iapetan titan. In addition, she was protected by, as near as I could tell, fewer than a dozen Aeon-class supercarriers. Not even close to 'the largest fleet in New Eden'. Maybe if the entire Navy had been there, you could say that... but these days?
There are places where what the Amarr Navy brought in would be considered a gate camp.
The Drifters' tactics are supposedly evolving and adapting, but in the last series of engagements, we've consistently seen them focus fire with their doomsdays - even when using them far in excess of any reasonable need.
If they come for us, they'll kill some ships, yes. But I have no doubt they'll find they've bitten off far more than they're used to. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1160
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:38:57 -
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Scherezad wrote:Arrendis wrote:You really need to stop buying into the idea that he's at all competent. The last tower he put up, he claimed there were tens of thousands of slaves - there were five thousand. He can't even math. There were five thousand left.
Too clean a number, Doc. Unless the survivors say otherwise, I've got no confidence in his claims. |
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2452
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Posted - 2015.08.22 17:47:29 -
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They're saying otherwise. Given the numbers I've seen from him in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if the original number was much, much higher. This group may have survived just because they were being held in a holding cell that was somewhat isolated from the others. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1160
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Posted - 2015.08.22 18:19:29 -
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Scherezad wrote:They're saying otherwise. Given the numbers I've seen from him in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if the original number was much, much higher. This group may have survived just because they were being held in a holding cell that was somewhat isolated from the others.
Then he's got still more to answer for.
And you will answer for it, blooder. Just as soon as I can track down your home medbay. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1597
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Posted - 2015.08.22 19:08:49 -
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Arrendis wrote:... The Drifters' tactics are supposedly evolving and adapting, but in the last series of engagements, we've consistently seen them focus fire with their doomsdays - even when using them far in excess of any reasonable need.
If they come for us, they'll kill some ships, yes. But I have no doubt they'll find they've bitten off far more than they're used to.
I still believe this is a directed personal attack rather than simply the drifters disliking the Amarr. The use of force was purely to make a very very obvious point.
I'd say their tactics have evolved greatly, that was the purest example of a surgical strike that probably anyone has ever seen. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
490
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Posted - 2015.08.22 19:36:02 -
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Scherezad wrote:They're saying otherwise. Given the numbers I've seen from him in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if the original number was much, much higher. This group may have survived just because they were being held in a holding cell that was somewhat isolated from the others.
There were ten thousand slaves stored in two groups of five thousand slaves each. When the Imperium destroyed the Ritual Space hanger, one of the groups of five thousand was destroyed, but the other survived in the wreckage. There is nothing surprising about this GÇö when a hanger is destroyed, each "thing" (or in this case, each group of five thousand slaves) has an approximately 50% chance of surviving in the wreckage. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1162
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Posted - 2015.08.22 21:11:10 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:I'd say their tactics have evolved greatly, that was the purest example of a surgical strike that probably anyone has ever seen.
A precision strike, yes. Typically, when conducting a 'surgical strike', you use precisely the assets needed to accomplish the objective, and no more. The released fitting for the Seraph, including the Slave implants the Empress is acknowledged to have been using, would have meant it could survive a maximum of eight conventional Doomsdays - which, as we've seen, the Lux is roughly equivalent to. Ten ships, for certain results.
Not ten times that number.
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Kairelle
Raven.Syndicate
12
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Posted - 2015.08.22 22:07:27 -
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Jili Tonari wrote:Wait a second,
The Amarr spent the last several centuries enslaving, raping and killing our people and some of you get down on this message because it's crass and disrespectful?
F*ck that! What respect do we owe these people? How is it they get to slaughter our people and our culture but have to play nice because their leader got ganked?
Screw it. I'm glad she's dead! She was no friend to the Matari. She was, at best, a living PR stunt.
Hey, I heard a new one. How many Amarr does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Answer: Doesn't matter, the Drifters will just come along and pop it anyways.
First rule for a baby pilot is that you're not safe the second you undock and never fly something you can't afford to lose. The Empress was too stupid to understand that and got her slaving ass blown up for it.
Yeah, the Drifters are a severe threat for everyone. I get that. We got lots of them in our skies. But I'm not gonna cry because they happened to kill the ***** that destroyed the Elder Fleet.
Boo hoo Amarr, you lost your leader. Maybe getting your ***** murdered will give you some perspective for when you murder my people.
Zero regrets. Zero respect.
No abolition, no peace.
You really are an idiot eh? Keep barking little one...just hope its not up the wrong tree.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
51
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Posted - 2015.08.23 01:20:21 -
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Hm.
While some celebrate, I have to say, this wasn't the glorious day some would make it out to be.
Still, odds are actually decent she has a clone. What with coming back from the dead previously, and all.
"The spirits are not the wise elders many are led to believe. The spirits are not the almighty. The spirits are not our gods, nor our inferiors; they are our companions. And with them, the will of the Minmatar is unbreakable." -The Shaman's Way
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1414
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Posted - 2015.08.23 05:02:58 -
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Markus Error wrote:Still, odds are actually decent she has a clone. What with coming back from the dead previously, and all. Respectfully, people keep saying this as though it means Amarr hasn't necessarily lost its Empress. That's not at all the case.
Think of the title as an implant that precludes clone jumping and which nobody gets more than once in a career. That's pretty much the situation here.
Jamyl Sarum might possibly live, though it seems a unlikely to me. If any capsule in the world was unequipped with cloning systems, it would have been that one.
Regardless, Empress Jamyl I is dead. |
Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
179
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Posted - 2015.08.23 05:21:48 -
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She had to kill to create the intrigue of the struggle for the throne. Standard course, nothing new in this, I have not seen. Writers too carried away with the Game of Thrones. It was the most interesting character in the universe, a bad move. Sorry for my English
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NeoShocker
Oppose Militancy and Neutralize Invasion. Exodus.
214
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Posted - 2015.08.23 05:30:47 -
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I am very sure there are suicidal terrorists in the Titan. The damage reported on the Titan is conflicting. Likely Empress is murdered within the ship while under the pretense of Drifter attacks. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1933
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Posted - 2015.08.23 08:45:29 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Perhaps, but things getting worse before they get better is often the case. The facts remain. The Empire were never going to release our people willingly,other than broken and indoctrinated little weapons against the Tribes.
Typical tribal ignorance and iyammarok grade of stupidity. Her Majesty has released slaves based on their generation, not "indoctrination" or being "a weapon", like primitive savages claim. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1933
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Posted - 2015.08.23 08:48:04 -
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Kithrus wrote:I remember when the Ray of Matar died and for the most part we Amarrians were very respectful of that fact.
Glad to see the favor returned in kind. That's why you don't cast pearls before swine, Lord Crases. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1356
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Posted - 2015.08.23 09:33:06 -
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Arrendis wrote: No.
No, she was piloting what appears to have been a normal Promethean titan, not the Empire's Iapetan titan. In addition, she was protected by, as near as I could tell, fewer than a dozen Aeon-class supercarriers. Not even close to 'the largest fleet in New Eden'. Maybe if the entire Navy had been there, you could say that... but these days?
There are places where what the Amarr Navy brought in would be considered a gate camp.
The Drifters' tactics are supposedly evolving and adapting, but in the last series of engagements, we've consistently seen them focus fire with their doomsdays - even when using them far in excess of any reasonable need.
If they come for us, they'll kill some ships, yes. But I have no doubt they'll find they've bitten off far more than they're used to.
Considering their ability to make an easy job out of a single Avatar class titan, and that what we have now seen of their ships are mere battlecruiser sized weapons, I would not bet on trying one of the Imud-Hubraus next time... It seems highly hazardous as it is. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1183
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Posted - 2015.08.23 09:41:01 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Considering their ability to make an easy job out of a single Avatar class titan, and that what we have now seen of their ships are mere battlecruiser sized weapons, I would not bet on trying one of the Imud-Hubraus next time... It seems highly hazardous as it is.
Battleship. Large hull classes, not Medium. And beyond the Lux, their weapons are... anemic. Useless beyond 150km, and they don't hit for any power past 100km. The ships are fast, yes, but that's nothing that can't be dealt with - and they've demonstrated that they'll use the Lux on drones. Use a number of sniper drone-boats to draw out the Lux volley, then... bring in the blapdreads, and moonwalk out. |
Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
52
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Posted - 2015.08.23 13:05:47 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Markus Error wrote:Still, odds are actually decent she has a clone. What with coming back from the dead previously, and all. Respectfully, people keep saying this as though it means Amarr hasn't necessarily lost its Empress. That's not at all the case. Think of the title as an implant that precludes clone jumping and which nobody gets more than once in a career. That's pretty much the situation here. Jamyl Sarum might possibly live, though it seems a unlikely to me. If any capsule in the world was unequipped with cloning systems, it would have been that one. Regardless, Empress Jamyl I is dead. Wasn't my intention to imply the Empress survived; just that it's possible Jamyl Sarum did. Or her (presumed?) infomorph, anyhow.
"The spirits are not the wise elders many are led to believe. The spirits are not the almighty. The spirits are not our gods, nor our inferiors; they are our companions. And with them, the will of the Minmatar is unbreakable." -The Shaman's Way
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1416
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Posted - 2015.08.23 14:51:12 -
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Markus Error wrote:Wasn't my intention to imply the Empress survived; just that it's possible Jamyl Sarum did. Or her (presumed?) infomorph, anyhow. Okay. There just seemed to be some ... uh, confused discussion, earlier. I apologize for mistaking your remarks for something of that sort.
And ... yeah, it's possible. It'd be interesting, if so, and maybe a little awkward.
I don't think the Amarr are accustomed to having ex-empresses wandering around. |
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