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Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:33:59 -
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I just bought a Procurer and I asked help if a mining laser upgrade improves your output with a strip miner. Someone said no yet when I reviewed a fit for a Procurer on Wiki, there are two MLU's installed.
Which is correct?
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1715
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:38:53 -
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They do help.
That said, you need to evaluate whether you want more yield or more tank. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1329
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Posted - 2015.08.22 15:55:07 -
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how do low slots contribute to a procurers tank |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1717
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:03:05 -
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Damage Control.
DC I'd consider near essential (and Procurer has only 2 low slots) |
Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:03:29 -
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You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one? |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
375
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Posted - 2015.08.23 23:19:27 -
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Yes, train for Mining Laser Upgrades II. Each MLU 1 will boost mining amount 5%. Each MLU 2 will boost it 9%.
You can easily get 50K EHP using both low slots for Mining Laser Upgrades with a Procurer. You don't need the DC unless you know a group of gankers are in the system with you.
If you download a copy of EFT you can play around with fitting options and it will show you the effect on Ore Yield.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
716
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Posted - 2015.08.24 00:11:05 -
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Abraham Kennedy wrote: I asked help if a mining laser upgrade improves your output with a strip miner. Someone said no yet when I reviewed a fit for a Procurer on Wiki, there are two MLU's installed.
So now you know. Don't ever take anything anyone in this game says at face value. You can ask but you are going to want to confirm everything through experimentation or multiple sourcing info like you did here. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11367
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Posted - 2015.08.24 00:16:27 -
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Abraham Kennedy wrote:You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one? Why would this have any bearing on the discussion ?
Better the Devil you know.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
716
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Posted - 2015.08.24 00:18:24 -
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Abraham Kennedy wrote:You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one? Not sure how you can presume to know what someone else knows or doesn't know.
Also are calling someone else a girl in a derogatory manner as if somehow being female is a lesser state?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1465
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Posted - 2015.08.24 02:52:32 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:how do low slots contribute to a procurers tank
damage control reinforced bulkhead cargo expanders (however this is a negative contribution) mapc to help fit a MSE.
@ChainsawPlankto
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
1091
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Posted - 2015.08.24 03:41:51 -
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Post 5 might be the most confusing thing I've read in some time. |
Bellatrix Invicta
The Conference Elite CODE.
229
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Posted - 2015.08.24 15:57:54 -
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Must resist urge to advise to fit full yield....
No, put a DCII in a low slot and put a WCS in the other.
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
725
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:34:08 -
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The tank v. yield argument overlooks the fact that the best fit for a procurer includes a scram in the mids.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
477
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Posted - 2015.08.24 18:34:35 -
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It's all about risk versus reward.
MLUs increase your reward but also increase the risk of losing your ship entirely.
As for alternatives there's a few already mentioned;
- warp core stabilisers might counteract a warp disruptor and let you warp away from the gankers but tbh against a procurer they'll probably have multiple ships and multiple scrams so it's probably a useless option when properly examined.
- a damage control along with a reinforced bulkhead and transverse bulkheads in the rig slots can effectively double the base HP of your procurer which makes you incredibly unpalatable to common gankers especially in a procurer. In spite of it's native shield bonus, hull tanking barges is actually incredibly effective (and frees up midslots for a survey scanner and an MWD). Even a DC2 on it's own makes a massive difference
- inertia stabilisers along with low friction nozzle joints in the rigs almost halve your align time, meaning you can warp out before the gankers land on grid with you (using local chat and/or dscan to stay aware of approaching threats). This can be great if you're an awake pilot as you won't even need to worry about them scratching your paint.
TLDR a damage control and a single MLU will dissuade most gankers whilst still offering some yield bonus and is probably your best bet - but make sure you back it up with appropriate midslots and rigs. Get a fitting program and test them out yourself to see how you can tweak it, it's much more rewarding than just asking for a cookie cutter fit from the forums - although that can be a great place to get an idea of how you might start to fit it.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Bitevni Shalina
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.08.25 08:02:43 -
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A bit of EFT warrior:
[Procurer, serios tank] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
ML-3 Scoped Survey Scanner Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Drone I x4 Mining Drone I x1
...gives you over 71 kEHP and 1110 m3 paper yield
[Procurer, Max tank] Reinforced Bulkheads II Damage Control II
Survey Scanner II Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II Medium Transverse Bulkhead II Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Mining Drone I x4 Mining Drone I x1
...gives you almost 87 kEHP and 1034 m3 paper yield. Cold. Overheating hardeners will get you 93 kEHP for 2 and a half minutes.
Average ganking catalyst manage to deal about 7-8 kEHP before CONCORD comes. That catalyst costs about 9 milions including fitting. Gankers hate to lose ISK war, so even this camikadze pure yield fit: [Procurer, Max yield] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Survey Scanner II 5MN Microwarpdrive II Drone Navigation Computer I Drone Navigation Computer I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II
Mining Drone II x5
will require 4 catalysts to kill you (29 kEHP, 1431 m3 yield). Gankers will lose up to 36 milions and your procurer with all the fitting is hardly worth that much. So you can see much less procurers killed in high sec comparing to other barges - it is cheap and tanked. Simply not worth it. But if you are in war or gave gankers reason to hunt especially you, you will be ganked no matter what tank you will use.
This is fit for newbie miner, that I would use: [Procurer, Newbie] Mining Laser Upgrade I Mining Laser Upgrade I
ML-3 Scoped Survey Scanner Medium Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Strip Miner I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Drone I x4 Mining Drone I x1 Hobgoblin I x 5
It gives you about 46 kEHP and about 900 m3 yield, depends on your skills. Need 5+ catalysts to get it down and is so cheap, that gankers will gank every single barge around you but not you.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1288
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Posted - 2015.08.25 10:27:18 -
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Just find a belt with other miners and position your Procurer near a Retriever, Covetor, Hulk, Mack ... and you are safe.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Emperor Furiosa
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2015.08.25 21:17:55 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Abraham Kennedy wrote:You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one? Why would this have any bearing on the discussion ?
You know that kind of personalities - if female said something it is by default a silly or bad joke thing.
OP are you a boy oh just wanna be one??
Read module description properly then try it! |
Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:06:25 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Abraham Kennedy wrote:You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one? Why would this have any bearing on the discussion ?
Why are you trolling? |
Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:11:20 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Abraham Kennedy wrote:You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one? Not sure how you can presume to know what someone else knows or doesn't know. Also are calling someone else a girl in a derogatory manner as if somehow being female is a lesser state?
It was just a question. Why are you getting defensive? By viewing avatars there seems to be large group of women play this game and it surprises me. I wonder if that many females are playing or for some reason many guys are using female avatars.
On WOT, female players were uncommon. I do not know any women in RL that play MMO's. For that matter, I know few adults that play PC games in RL.
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Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:20:44 -
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Emperor Furiosa wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Abraham Kennedy wrote:You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one? Why would this have any bearing on the discussion ? You know that kind of personalities - if female said something it is by default a silly or bad joke thing. OP are you a boy oh just wanna be one?? Read module description properly then try it!
You really really really misread my message. There is no reason to get defensive about my question. I truly thought the person was being sarcastic (funny).
Oh and the module description does not say anything either way. My question was legit. |
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Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.08.26 12:27:10 -
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Bitevni Shalina wrote:A bit of EFT warrior:
[Procurer, serios tank] Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
ML-3 Scoped Survey Scanner Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Drone I x4 Mining Drone I x1
...gives you over 71 kEHP and 1110 m3 paper yield
[Procurer, Max tank] Reinforced Bulkheads II Damage Control II
Survey Scanner II Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Transverse Bulkhead II Medium Transverse Bulkhead II Medium Transverse Bulkhead II
Mining Drone I x4 Mining Drone I x1
...gives you almost 87 kEHP and 1034 m3 paper yield. Cold. Overheating hardeners will get you 93 kEHP for 2 and a half minutes.
Average ganking catalyst manage to deal about 7-8 kEHP before CONCORD comes. That catalyst costs about 9 milions including fitting. Gankers hate to lose ISK war, so even this camikadze pure yield fit: [Procurer, Max yield] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Survey Scanner II 5MN Microwarpdrive II Drone Navigation Computer I Drone Navigation Computer I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Drone Mining Augmentor I Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II Medium Drone Mining Augmentor II
Mining Drone II x5
will require 4 catalysts to kill you (29 kEHP, 1431 m3 yield). Gankers will lose up to 36 milions and your procurer with all the fitting is hardly worth that much. So you can see much less procurers killed in high sec comparing to other barges - it is cheap and tanked. Simply not worth it. But if you are in war or gave gankers reason to hunt especially you, you will be ganked no matter what tank you will use.
This is fit for newbie miner, that I would use: [Procurer, Newbie] Mining Laser Upgrade I Mining Laser Upgrade I
ML-3 Scoped Survey Scanner Medium Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Strip Miner I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Drone I x4 Mining Drone I x1 Hobgoblin I x 5
It gives you about 46 kEHP and about 900 m3 yield, depends on your skills. Need 5+ catalysts to get it down and is so cheap, that gankers will gank every single barge around you but not you.
This is great information and I appreciate your effort. I put on all shield tanks. I suppose you think it is a bad idea? I will put on armor rigs to beef that up.
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
4296
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Posted - 2015.08.26 13:34:05 -
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Abraham Kennedy wrote:
This is great information and I appreciate your effort. I put on all shield tanks. I suppose you think it is a bad idea? I will put on armor rigs to beef that up.
*Smacks Abraham's hand away*
Bad newbie! Bad!
Generally (as in, almost never), you don't want to 'dual tank'. You pick either shield, armor, or hull and stick to that, though there are a few niche PvP fits that dual tank. Quick simply, if you over tank, you're not going to be able to do anything.
Here is a recent article on the Mittani that covers this very concept.
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Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Bitevni Shalina
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:34:12 -
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Abraham Kennedy wrote: This is great information and I appreciate your effort. I put on all shield tanks. I suppose you think it is a bad idea? I will put on armor rigs to beef that up.
Max tank fit posted is actually dual tanked. Shields and hull. Procurer gets bonuses for shield and less armor, than hull or shield. You will trade some yield for this. Not much, but still... Armor tank on Procurer is a bad idea cause it has least armor and no bonuses for it.
Behave yourself (like do not provoke CODE), mine is some calm place like Boillair or Odotte next to some juicy Exhumer and you are 99 % safe cause you are not worth the CONCORDANCE. Even with just shield tank. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11448
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Posted - 2015.08.26 14:41:38 -
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Abraham Kennedy wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:Abraham Kennedy wrote:You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one? Not sure how you can presume to know what someone else knows or doesn't know. Also are calling someone else a girl in a derogatory manner as if somehow being female is a lesser state? It was just a question. Why are you getting defensive? By viewing avatars there seems to be large group of women playing this game and it surprises me. I wonder if that many females are playing or for some reason many guys are using female avatars. On WOT, female players were uncommon. I do not know any women in RL that play MMO's. For that matter, I know few adults that play PC games in RL. Fyi the eve community is predominantly adults, most of the players I know both male and female have family's.
Bear this in mind.
Better the Devil you know.
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Rayne Soomer Evingod
The Merchant Marine's Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2015.08.26 16:19:47 -
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Some of us have wives kids grand-kids and great grand-kids. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation Holy Arumbian Empire
1966
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Posted - 2015.08.26 19:44:08 -
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I think the tank versus MLU question has been pretty well covered, but I wanted to comment on gender assumptions. Eve has one of the lowest percentages of female players of any decent sized MMO. That said, many players have characters of both genders. This is especially helpful when entering the scamming and corp infiltration sections of the game as female avatars often are more successful than male.
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Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.08.26 20:07:24 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Abraham Kennedy wrote:
This is great information and I appreciate your effort. I put on all shield tanks. I suppose you think it is a bad idea? I will put on armor rigs to beef that up.
*Smacks Abraham's hand away* Bad newbie! Bad! Generally (as in, almost never), you don't want to 'dual tank'. You pick either shield, armor, or hull and stick to that, though there are a few niche PvP fits that dual tank. Quite simply, if you over tank, you're not going to be able to do anything. Here is a recent article on the Mittani that covers this very concept.
I get it. Is this because of the drawbacks of tanking in general? I looked at those rigs and they cause drawbacks on either velocity,which is already bad on this ship so that's a no, and cargo hold. My cargo hold is decent size and only used to hold the small items I salvage from my kills. So whats the big deal on that? This ship has a large ore hold so I don't really care about the size of the ship's cargo size. |
Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.08.26 20:17:33 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:I think the tank versus MLU question has been pretty well covered, but I wanted to comment on gender assumptions. Eve has one of the lowest percentages of female players of any decent sized MMO. That said, many players have characters of both genders. This is especially helpful when entering the scamming and corp infiltration sections of the game as female avatars often are more successful than male.
I don't get it. If many pilots are a different sex than their avatars, the success rate of avatars based upon their sex is irrelevant. It is a bogus statistic. There is no connection.
As far as being the lowest female customer base, you've never played WOT. The boys go nuts those rare times a tanker claimed they were female. |
Abraham Kennedy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.08.26 20:35:29 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Abraham Kennedy wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:Abraham Kennedy wrote:You know what he meant but your message is funny. Are you really a girl or just wanna be one? Not sure how you can presume to know what someone else knows or doesn't know. Also are calling someone else a girl in a derogatory manner as if somehow being female is a lesser state? It was just a question. Why are you getting defensive? By viewing avatars there seems to be large group of women playing this game and it surprises me. I wonder if that many females are playing or for some reason many guys are using female avatars. On WOT, female players were uncommon. I do not know any women in RL that play MMO's. For that matter, I know few adults that play PC games in RL. Fyi the eve community is predominantly adults, most of the players I know both male and female have family's. Bear this in mind.
I don't get your statement - "bear this in mind". Are you reading something bad into my comments too?
Do you really think there are entire families here? It doesn't matter to me and I've said nothing offensive. To be straight with you, I doubt there are many families here. It doesn't matter to me either way but I think EVE is filled with young men playing mostly. I know WOT was more than 80% filled with guys 20 years old and younger.
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Bellatrix Invicta
The Conference Elite CODE.
278
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Posted - 2015.08.26 20:48:54 -
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Think that all you want but the median age of player is somewhere in the 30s.
If you think you've won, think again.
The CODE always wins.
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